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NFT: Knicks Chat: Oakley and Jimmy wuv each other

DanMetroMan : 2/14/2017 9:20 am
- A truce has been reached thanks to intervention from Adam Silver and MJ. It's expected Oakley will be back at the garden shortly.

-Hahn says Melo will not be traded

Around the league-

-Whispers that Embiid's knee is a "concern" to the 76ers and that they are downplaying it

- Saric 18 and 11 on 8-17, 3 assists. Last 5 games 19 and 6 with 3 assists on 51/41 shooting

-Kaminsky 12 and 11 (only shot 5-16, really surprised how poorly he has shot the ball)

-Leonard 32 points, 6 boards 3 assists, 4 steals. Averaging a ridiculous 33 and 7 with 4 assists, 2 steals last 5 games. He's my league MVP if I for some bizarre reason had a vote.

-Turner 22 and 6 (big fan but his lack of athleticism seems to limit his rebounding ability)

-Conley 32 and 6

-Lopez 17 points... 3 boards in 32 minutes

-Vucevic 13 and 17 with 3 assists, 3 blocks

-Super Mario 11 points, 1 board, 1 assist 1 steal over 16 minutes

-Sabonis 6 and 7. I only mention him because I have to say he has some intriguing skills despite his numbers. The fact he's getting so much burn (despite the #'s) as a 20 year old on a good team is a good sign. Moves really well, good hands. He's intriguing (again I know he hasn't been good)

-Maker 6 and 5 (3-10) over 17 minutes

-Beasley 23 points, 3 boards, 4 assists... had no idea he was playing so well in limited minutes


-Monroe 25 and 12. Sort of surprised you aren't hearing some of the teams looking for bigs in on Monroe. Yeah he needs the right team but the guy can play.


-Smart 19, 3 and 3... last 5 games 51% from the field

-Ferrell 20, 5 assists, 2 boards

-Jokic... WOW. 17 points, 12 assists, 21 boards, 2 steals

-Juancho 27 and 10, 2 assists, 1 steal, 1 block. Sure looks like both Hernangomez Brothers can ball

-PJ Tucker 11 and 16- one of the more likely movers at the deadline

-THjr 25, 7 and 4 (has been FANTASTIC lately)
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Guess  
DanMetroMan : 2/14/2017 9:24 am : link
we should be in on this guy if so many teams are

2 hours ago via Twitter IAmDPick

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First  
DanMetroMan : 2/14/2017 9:25 am : link
NBDL, then D-League, it has now been renamed the G-League
The Knicks are dead to me  
blueblood : 2/14/2017 9:34 am : link
The Oakley issue was the last straw.. 20 plus years of losing.. scumbag owner.. done..
MJ and Silver should talk to Melo next  
bceagle05 : 2/14/2017 9:45 am : link
about leaving New York. An entire franchise being held hostage by Phil's dumbass no-trade clause.
Watching the okc thunder  
nygiants16 : 2/14/2017 9:48 am : link
they really are westbrook or bust, he has a bad game they have nothing..

roberson gives them nothing offensively, oladipo really has not been that good meahing with westbrook...

sabonis is a nice young piece for the future..

adams offensively has gotten better but he is not a guy you drop it down to and say go score, he us a very good defensive player and pick and roll player..



RE: The Knicks are dead to me  
nygiants16 : 2/14/2017 9:49 am : link
In comment 13360451 blueblood said:
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The Oakley issue was the last straw.. 20 plus years of losing.. scumbag owner.. done..


are you a rangers fan?
Never give up on my Knicks  
Carl in CT : 2/14/2017 9:51 am : link
Or my Rangers!
Thanks Dolan!  
DanMetroMan : 2/14/2017 9:56 am : link
Wade acknowledged Lebron/Wade/Bosh almost became the MSG3 before ultimately deciding against it citing "the organization" #Knicks
Kawhi really is something else  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/14/2017 9:57 am : link
I'd go Harden, but Kawhi would be a fine MVP choice. Just a filthy good player.
RE: First  
Greg from LI : 2/14/2017 9:59 am : link
In comment 13360435 DanMetroMan said:
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NBDL, then D-League, it has now been renamed the G-League


What does the G stand for?
RE: RE: First  
DanMetroMan : 2/14/2017 10:00 am : link
In comment 13360493 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 13360435 DanMetroMan said:


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NBDL, then D-League, it has now been renamed the G-League



What does the G stand for?


Gatorade
RE: Kawhi really is something else  
DanMetroMan : 2/14/2017 10:01 am : link
In comment 13360490 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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I'd go Harden, but Kawhi would be a fine MVP choice. Just a filthy good player.


He's unlikely to win but it's kinda BS that a wing player basically doesn't get enough "credit" for being a 2 way guy when it comes to all-star games/MVP stuff. Why shouldn't he get a MAJOR boost for being such a strong 2 way guy? His defense is excellent, that has to take away some from his offense.
RE: Thanks Dolan!  
nygiants16 : 2/14/2017 10:07 am : link
In comment 13360488 DanMetroMan said:
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Wade acknowledged Lebron/Wade/Bosh almost became the MSG3 before ultimately deciding against it citing "the organization" #Knicks


i call bullshit because the knicks couldnt fit 3 guys, donnie tried to but couldnt get rid of curry's contract which hindered the knicks in adding 3..

wade himself said he did not think it would happen until miami was able to fit 3 guys in...

and he also said it would of happened somewhere else if another team could and miami couldnt...

he was ready to sigm with chicago
Update on Love...  
Keith : 2/14/2017 10:09 am : link

There is "concern" in Cleveland that Kevin Love (knee) "could be in line for an extended absence," according to Cleveland beat reporter Joe Vardon.

"I would love to be able to tell you that he'll miss three games and be back, but I can't right now because we don't know," general manager David Griffin said. Love has already been ruled out for Tuesday's game and appears extremely unlikely to play Wednesday. Love will get a second opinion on Tuesday, and we will have to wait until the team announces the results of that exam. Channing Frye will start at power forward on Tuesday. Kyrie Irving and LeBron James will be asked to shoulder more of the offensive load with Love sidelined.
I would definitely be concerned if i was Philly, RE: Embiid  
Keith : 2/14/2017 10:12 am : link
A torn meniscus doesn't just heal. He's had a plethora of injuries in his very young life and it's not going to just magically get better. Multiple foot injuries, a knee injury that could be degenerative, a pretty serious back injury in college and a myriad of other bumps and bruises.

I think the odds are more that he will never reach his ceiling due to injuries than the opposite. It's a shame, such a talented and competitive kid.
it certainly sounds like Cleveland could use Melo, then  
Greg from LI : 2/14/2017 10:18 am : link
I can't believe they won't make a move if they believe there's a chance Love won't be healthy for the playoffs.
It would make sense  
bceagle05 : 2/14/2017 10:22 am : link
but Hahn seemed pretty certain that a trade won't be happening, and hitdog has assured us of the same for weeks. That damn no-trade clause is gonna cost us a shot at a top PG this year.
hitdog very well could have a good source that confirmed the cavs  
Keith : 2/14/2017 10:25 am : link
weren't going to do it, but then Love got hurt and that changes everything. I'd be interested to hear why Hahn said the knicks aren't trading melo. Is he a mouthpiece for the knicks and the knicks are trying to get leverage knowing the cavs could be calling or do they know melo won't accept any trade?
Hypothetically, let's say Love is out for the season  
Keith : 2/14/2017 10:26 am : link
and lets say Cleveland did want to trade Love for Melo. If Lebron calls Melo and says, "Get your suit on, we need ya", you don't think Melo is rethinking his stance?
Hahn's always a little cryptic  
bceagle05 : 2/14/2017 10:31 am : link
but he made it sound like the Cavs have zero interest, even when DiPietro pressed him on the Love injury possibly changing things. I admire Melo wanting to stay in NY, but it's crystal clear at this point that winning just isn't on his priority list. The Knicks will win 30-35 games again next year at best.
RE: Thanks Dolan!  
TyreeHelmet : 2/14/2017 10:31 am : link
In comment 13360488 DanMetroMan said:
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Wade acknowledged Lebron/Wade/Bosh almost became the MSG3 before ultimately deciding against it citing "the organization" #Knicks


Man that hurts.

I think if Love is out for the year then a Carmelo trade is definitely realistic. I'm just not sure if they will be able to determine with certainly the extend of Love's absence before the deadline.
RE: Hypothetically, let's say Love is out for the season  
giants#1 : 2/14/2017 10:33 am : link
In comment 13360521 Keith said:
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and lets say Cleveland did want to trade Love for Melo. If Lebron calls Melo and says, "Get your suit on, we need ya", you don't think Melo is rethinking his stance?


LeBron vs LaLa...who wins?


Knicks/Cavs are both likely leaking stuff to their media contacts in a game of poker. We'll see who blinks first.
RE: Hahn's always a little cryptic  
Keith : 2/14/2017 10:34 am : link
In comment 13360529 bceagle05 said:
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but he made it sound like the Cavs have zero interest, even when DiPietro pressed him on the Love injury possibly changing things. I admire Melo wanting to stay in NY, but it's crystal clear at this point that winning just isn't on his priority list. The Knicks will win 30-35 games again next year at best.


Agree on Melo.

I'd be really surprised if the Cavs didn't do something drastic(unless Love's injury is short term). Are they better than Boston without Love? What if Boston makes a move which they probably would? What other options would they have to bring in a key cog? It could all be negotiating tactics, but a season ending injury(while it sucks for Love), would be ideal considering our situation.
Well, we would certainly need Lebron  
bceagle05 : 2/14/2017 10:37 am : link
and his people to get behind the move 100 percent for it to have any chance. Seems like if it's up to the Cavs management, it ain't happening.
RE: RE: Hahn's always a little cryptic  
giants#1 : 2/14/2017 10:38 am : link
In comment 13360536 Keith said:
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but he made it sound like the Cavs have zero interest, even when DiPietro pressed him on the Love injury possibly changing things. I admire Melo wanting to stay in NY, but it's crystal clear at this point that winning just isn't on his priority list. The Knicks will win 30-35 games again next year at best.



Agree on Melo.

I'd be really surprised if the Cavs didn't do something drastic(unless Love's injury is short term). Are they better than Boston without Love? What if Boston makes a move which they probably would? What other options would they have to bring in a key cog? It could all be negotiating tactics, but a season ending injury(while it sucks for Love), would be ideal considering our situation.


That's the other side of the equation. If Love is out for an extended time, I think that increases the odds of Boston and/or Toronto making a move since it greatly improves their odds of beating Cleveland.
Jokic  
giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 10:38 am : link
Age 21 seasons per 36:

22, 6 and 12. 1 block, 1 steal. 65% TS, 26.8 PER, .236 WS/48

Magic Johnson:

21, 8 and 8, 3 steals, 53%, 17% from 3. 58% TS, 25.7 PER, .225 WS/48.


I can't think of a better comparison for what he's doing.
...  
Keith : 2/14/2017 10:43 am : link

Team president Phil Jackson views Willy Hernangomez and Kristaps Porzingis as the "starting frontcourt tandem of the future," according to Mark Berman of the New York Post.

Sunday was the first time Hernangomez started alongside Porzingis and Knicks posted arguably their most impressive win of the season, a 94-90 victory over the Spurs. Joakim Noah (hamstring) is expected to miss at least one more game, so Hernangomez will likely start again on Wednesday vs. OKC. If Noah is healthy after the All-Star break, coach Jeff Hornacek will have a tough decision to make. Either way, Hernangomez had done enough to earn consistent minutes going forward.
I don't think that Melo will get traded either.  
Heisenberg : 2/14/2017 10:48 am : link
At least not during the season. In the offseason, when there's a lot more flexibility? Much more possible.
Breaking News:  
DanMetroMan : 2/14/2017 11:03 am : link
Love to miss 6 weeks "minor" knee surgery
Ibaka  
Jon in NYC : 2/14/2017 11:10 am : link
to Toronto per Woj.
RE: RE: Thanks Dolan!  
Shecky : 2/14/2017 11:12 am : link
In comment 13360502 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13360488 DanMetroMan said:


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Wade acknowledged Lebron/Wade/Bosh almost became the MSG3 before ultimately deciding against it citing "the organization" #Knicks



i call bullshit because the knicks couldnt fit 3 guys, donnie tried to but couldnt get rid of curry's contract which hindered the knicks in adding 3..

wade himself said he did not think it would happen until miami was able to fit 3 guys in...

and he also said it would of happened somewhere else if another team could and miami couldnt...


Interesting, hadn't seen this before. So is he kinda sorta admitting the three talked about joining together now after they denied it all these years?
he was ready to sigm with chicago
Anyone want Rose or Jennings?  
bceagle05 : 2/14/2017 11:13 am : link
Anyone? Bueller?
RE: RE: RE: Thanks Dolan!  
Shecky : 2/14/2017 11:13 am : link
In comment 13360596 Shecky said:
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In comment 13360502 nygiants16 said:


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In comment 13360488 DanMetroMan said:


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Wade acknowledged Lebron/Wade/Bosh almost became the MSG3 before ultimately deciding against it citing "the organization" #Knicks



i call bullshit because the knicks couldnt fit 3 guys, donnie tried to but couldnt get rid of curry's contract which hindered the knicks in adding 3..

wade himself said he did not think it would happen until miami was able to fit 3 guys in...

and he also said it would of happened somewhere else if another team could and miami couldnt...


Interesting, hadn't seen this before. So is he kinda sorta admitting the three talked about joining together now after they denied it all these years?
he was ready to sigm with chicago



Not sure what happened, but reformatted:
interesting, hadn't seen this before. So is he kinda sorta admitting the three talked about joining together now after they denied it all these years?
he was ready to sigm with chicago
..  
DanMetroMan : 2/14/2017 11:16 am : link
We have a trade!

Serge Ibaka is going to the Raptors for Terrence Ross and a first round pick, per @WojVerticalNBA
seemed like a good match.  
dep026 : 2/14/2017 11:17 am : link
Terrance Ross to the 3 and gordon to the 4, where he should have been the whole time.
Love news:  
Keith : 2/14/2017 11:17 am : link
To me, that's a meniscus tear that they will be cleaning out(or cutting out the torn portion).

The recovery is much shorter than the "repair" of the meniscus and could be 4-6 weeks. A lot of players in the past have come back sooner than they do now(probably due to having more knowledge of the injury). It's the same procedure that Lin had when he missed 19 seasons.

If it heals properly, it's definitely something that Love can come back to without issues. However, this will effect him later in life, usually mid 30's because he will be missing a piece of his meniscus and that usually causes arthritis.

I think 6 weeks is a realistic timeframe to give him enough rest and therapy to get him to where he needs to be. That would get him back for the last 2 weeks of the regular season.
Well the East just got a little more interesting.  
bceagle05 : 2/14/2017 11:19 am : link
I know Ibaka has fallen off some but maybe a change of scenery and a winning team will do him some good. That's a nice starting five all of a sudden.
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DanMetroMan : 2/14/2017 11:19 am : link
Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA 3s3 seconds ago
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ORL has Terrence Ross and a first-rounder to show for trading Serge Ibaka, Victor Oladipo, Domantas Sabonis, Tobias Harris and Moe Harkless.
Great job Orlando  
Keith : 2/14/2017 11:21 am : link
You have to think they could have gotten a much better return just trading Oladipo last offseason.
Ibaka trades =  
Deej : 2/14/2017 11:22 am : link
fucking disaster for ORL. That GM cant keep his job after Ibaka, Harris, Hez.

Every GM should be on the phone with Orlando, whose GM is just in a "do something to save my job" mode.
Yep, we've found a personnel guy worse than Phil.  
bceagle05 : 2/14/2017 11:24 am : link
Lord, it's a miracle!
RE: Well the East just got a little more interesting.  
nygiants16 : 2/14/2017 11:27 am : link
In comment 13360607 bceagle05 said:
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I know Ibaka has fallen off some but maybe a change of scenery and a winning team will do him some good. That's a nice starting five all of a sudden.


if ibaka can regain his form it is a good trade but he has been awful this year
Moves  
TyreeHelmet : 2/14/2017 11:30 am : link
What a disaster for Hennigan and Orlando.

If you are the Cavs/ Lebron, are you risking Love being 100% healthy for the playoffs? If you could get Melo/ Jennings/ O'Quinn for Love, does that improve your title chances?
I think Ibaka probably fits better with Toronto  
Keith : 2/14/2017 11:30 am : link
they are like a poor mans OKC from Ibakas days.
To give them Melo, Jennings and Oquinn  
Keith : 2/14/2017 11:32 am : link
we'd have to take back a contract like Shump. I don't think that's necessary for the Knicks anymore. The cavs are out of options really. Its either hope Love heals and contributes or trade for Melo straight up, IMO.
By the way..  
Keith : 2/14/2017 11:33 am : link
I wouldn't be opposed to trading for Thomas if that was a realistic option. I wouldn't go higher than a 2nd rounder, but I'm not opposed to the idea. Dudes a stud.
Chris Herring  
Deej : 2/14/2017 11:33 am : link
on why the Knicks suck. Note the Rolo discussion, losers and haters.
Link - ( New Window )
id be on the phone with orlando  
nygiants16 : 2/14/2017 11:33 am : link
see if you can pry hezonja from them..
RE: Moves  
nygiants16 : 2/14/2017 11:34 am : link
In comment 13360630 TyreeHelmet said:
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What a disaster for Hennigan and Orlando.

If you are the Cavs/ Lebron, are you risking Love being 100% healthy for the playoffs? If you could get Melo/ Jennings/ O'Quinn for Love, does that improve your title chances?


you know damn well lwbron is in the cavs gm office saying make the deal
Im sorry  
Jon in NYC : 2/14/2017 11:36 am : link
but trading Lopez for Rose was far from the worst move that he's made. The only reason it's being treated as such is because Noah has been a mess. But clearing Lopez' salary and giving the C spot to Willy/KOQ would have been a fine move.
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