- A truce has been reached thanks to intervention from Adam Silver and MJ. It's expected Oakley will be back at the garden shortly.
-Hahn says Melo will not be traded
Around the league-
-Whispers that Embiid's knee is a "concern" to the 76ers and that they are downplaying it
- Saric 18 and 11 on 8-17, 3 assists. Last 5 games 19 and 6 with 3 assists on 51/41 shooting
-Kaminsky 12 and 11 (only shot 5-16, really surprised how poorly he has shot the ball)
-Leonard 32 points, 6 boards 3 assists, 4 steals. Averaging a ridiculous 33 and 7 with 4 assists, 2 steals last 5 games. He's my league MVP if I for some bizarre reason had a vote.
-Turner 22 and 6 (big fan but his lack of athleticism seems to limit his rebounding ability)
-Conley 32 and 6
-Lopez 17 points... 3 boards in 32 minutes
-Vucevic 13 and 17 with 3 assists, 3 blocks
-Super Mario 11 points, 1 board, 1 assist 1 steal over 16 minutes
-Sabonis 6 and 7. I only mention him because I have to say he has some intriguing skills despite his numbers. The fact he's getting so much burn (despite the #'s) as a 20 year old on a good team is a good sign. Moves really well, good hands. He's intriguing (again I know he hasn't been good)
-Maker 6 and 5 (3-10) over 17 minutes
-Beasley 23 points, 3 boards, 4 assists... had no idea he was playing so well in limited minutes
-Monroe 25 and 12. Sort of surprised you aren't hearing some of the teams looking for bigs in on Monroe. Yeah he needs the right team but the guy can play.
-Smart 19, 3 and 3... last 5 games 51% from the field
-Ferrell 20, 5 assists, 2 boards
-Jokic... WOW. 17 points, 12 assists, 21 boards, 2 steals
-Juancho 27 and 10, 2 assists, 1 steal, 1 block. Sure looks like both Hernangomez Brothers can ball
-PJ Tucker 11 and 16- one of the more likely movers at the deadline
-THjr 25, 7 and 4 (has been FANTASTIC lately)
The only good point he has was that it would have prevented the Noah move.
Yeah, the bad Noah contract is a problem now because he's the third best center on the team. It would have hard to be confident that KOQ and Willy were capable of manning that position before we got to see how well they've played this year. KOQ has played much better than last year and Willy has been a real relevation and shown very little learning curve.
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but trading Lopez for Rose was far from the worst move that he's made. The only reason it's being treated as such is because Noah has been a mess. But clearing Lopez' salary and giving the C spot to Willy/KOQ would have been a fine move.
Yeah, the bad Noah contract is a problem now because he's the third best center on the team. It would have hard to be confident that KOQ and Willy were capable of manning that position before we got to see how well they've played this year. KOQ has played much better than last year and Willy has been a real relevation and shown very little learning curve.
But that's one of my arguments of Phil- he's bad a self scouting his own team. He should have known KOQ/ Willy/ Porzingis could cover the 5 spot. Or sign a vet for a shorter/ cheaper contract. Zero reason to give Noah that deal. He just doesn't have a direction and wants to straddle going for the playoffs and rebuilding, which is incredibly hard to to do. What he's accomplished is putting the Knicks in the worst spot you can be in the NBA- the middle of the pack.
And I can't stand D. Rose as a player but I still don't view the trade as that bad. Robin Lopez isn't a big loss.
What about Frye's contract? KOQ and Jennings aren't all stars, but it aligns them better to beat the Warriors and eliminates the risk of Love not being healthy for the playoffs.
It was an awful signing at the outset, but if rebuilding is the clear path then I actually want him around. You're right, that money doesn't affect anything. Actually, it forces Dolan to pay $17M a year to an aging vet when they're trying to lose games. Good, fuck him.
One issue I have with the article is how could anyone have a lot to show for Chandler, JR, and Shump? Chandler quit the previous season. JR turned back into asswipe JR and between Shump's impending free agent status and lack of progress, he wasn't a highly in demand player either.
Yes, it's a mistake to trade guys at the nadir of their value. But sometimes, you just want assholes and quitters off of your roster. In contrast, Zach Randolph averaged 18 & 10 as a Knick and was traded for old, soggy peanuts. But no one kills Donnie Walsh for that (in the basketball media).
Frye is also useful to them come playoff time. Shump is having a good year but I can't imagine the thought of relying on Shump to match Klay basket for basket in the finals sits well with Cleveland management, or Lebron.
They don't have to hit it even, the difference just gets split amongst the current players. Let KP and Willy wet the beak a little.
Wasn't that David lee?
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and more importantly, there is a floor they'd have to hit as well.
They don't have to hit it even, the difference just gets split amongst the current players. Let KP and Willy wet the beak a little.
Good pt, but Noah would see most of it, lol.
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because everyone knew that we had to get rid of his salary(to make a play for Lebron) and its not like there were teams lining up to trade for him. He wasn't a desirable player at all.
Wasn't that David lee?
No the ZBo trade was about the summer of LeBron. Literally, we got back a player with a previously unknown heart condition and proceeded anyway. Because it was just a 2010 dump. That trade still pisses me off.
He was 27 years-old putting up numbers and was traded for literally nothing a month into the season. If Phil is going to catch heck for trading malcontents and idiots for no return, Walsh should've gotten the same criticism.
Both deals were made to clear salary cap space for the summer of 2010 for when LeBron James becomes a free agent. The contracts of Harrington, Thomas and Mobley all expire in two years which will put the Knicks in position to make a run at James, the most coveted free agent since Shaquille O'Neal left the Orlando Magic to sign with the Los Angeles Lakers.
Stroll down memory lane - ( New Window )
I just want to watch good basketball.
As long as Willy starts next to Kris, I can turn away from the shit show, otherwise.
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on why the Knicks suck. Note the Rolo discussion, losers and haters. Link - ( New Window )
One issue I have with the article is how could anyone have a lot to show for Chandler, JR, and Shump? Chandler quit the previous season. JR turned back into asswipe JR and between Shump's impending free agent status and lack of progress, he wasn't a highly in demand player either.
Yes, it's a mistake to trade guys at the nadir of their value. But sometimes, you just want assholes and quitters off of your roster. In contrast, Zach Randolph averaged 18 & 10 as a Knick and was traded for old, soggy peanuts. But no one kills Donnie Walsh for that (in the basketball media).
The media sucks up to Donnie Walsh because he was an open book and is a nice man. He did not do a good job with the Knicks.
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because everyone knew that we had to get rid of his salary(to make a play for Lebron) and its not like there were teams lining up to trade for him. He wasn't a desirable player at all.
Wasn't that David lee?
No the ZBo trade was about the summer of LeBron. Literally, we got back a player with a previously unknown heart condition and proceeded anyway. Because it was just a 2010 dump. That trade still pisses me off.
Ah ok. I actually think I started following basketball (or at least the Knicks) shortly after Randolph got traded. Lee, Wilson Chandler and Tmac were the three memorable players that year for me I believe.
Trevor Ariza's still in the league, by the way. Traded for Stevie Franchise, when Isiah and Larry Brown literally shrugged their shoulders at the press conference and admitted they were just throwing shit against the wall.
Walsh was hired to do that and he did what he had to do. All he needed to do was clear as much salary as possible and draft well. His drafts were ok. Drafted Gallo who was probably the best pick considering the value on the board. Jordan Hill was a brutal pick.
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I mean they were supposedly snooping around for a PG and a big for a few weeks now so it could be a little of both.
I'll never forget that - Isiah actually, seriously said "It's so crazy, it just might work"
God almighty, what did we all do to deserve over 15 years of this shitshow?
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I mean they were supposedly snooping around for a PG and a big for a few weeks now so it could be a little of both.
Ibaka is probably a factor too.
What a spectacle that Larry Brown year was. He came up with starting lineups based on what city the team was in. I remember he threw rookie Nate Robinson in the starting lineup in Portland because Nate was from the Pacific Northwest. He did the same for Channing Frye when we played in Phoenix. And he stapled David Lee to the bench for the likes of Malik Rose and Mo Taylor.
That's why Morely smartly became a buyer of contracts and assets to go with them.
Then we didn't get LeBron and all that selling was for nothing.
That's why Morely smartly became a buyer of contracts and assets to go with them.
Then we didn't get LeBron and all that selling was for nothing.
walshs tenure failed whem he decided to try and win games rather than just completely blowing it up and tanking..
plus he told the media everything..
the mcgrady trade was god awful where he gave up a first..
the randolph and crawford trades were awful, he ruahed trying to get rid of their salaries when every gm in the nba knew what he was doing
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That saying something about love or am I reading too much into that?
I mean they were supposedly snooping around for a PG and a big for a few weeks now so it could be a little of both.
Ibaka is probably a factor too.
I'm totally on board with the sentiment that Ibaka has been a little overhyped. But whatever Toronto has been trotting out at the 4 spot has been so bad, that I think getting even a slightly above average PF is a massive win for them. Even though they've been in absolute free fall a lot of their losses have been by less than 5 points (many 1,2,3 point losses too).
Should make things a bit interesting. The Cavs can't put out Frye and Thompson against Ibaka and JV and expect things to go well.
do you know what randolph was averaging in those 11 games before he was traded?
this is just dumb. Walsh unloaded Zach in the fall of 2008 - basically 20 months before Lebron became a free agent. There was no rush - and no need to just dump them the first chance a team offered up expirings for him.
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We had to clear every big salary from the books and not take back any salary into the 2010 season and every single team in the NBA knew exactly what we needed to do. You are trading from a position of weakness when there weren't a lot of teams knocking down the door for the guys that we had. Zach Randolph was a joke with the knicks, literally.
this is just dumb. Walsh unloaded Zach in the fall of 2008 - basically 20 months before Lebron became a free agent. There was no rush - and no need to just dump them the first chance a team offered up expirings for him.
There's a shocking stance!
At the time, without rewriting history and knowing the future, Randolph was considered an albatross and we needed to clear him. My guess is Walsh feared we wouldn't be able to move him for expirings if the didn't do it asap. Randolph was not viewed as a player anyone wanted when he was with the Knicks.
This is obviously a major blow to both the Cavs and to Love owners. There are only eight weeks left in the NBA season, so even if Love stays on schedule and returns six weeks from today, Cleveland will likely limit his minutes over the final fortnight of the regular season in order to keep him fresh for the playoffs. In the interim, Channing Frye will likely see the biggest boost in fantasy value, with Richard Jefferson also soaking up extra minutes."
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