Can see Reese jumping up a few spots to land Njoku

no problem with this. This team has a short window to win now and if he think Njoku can be an immediate contributor and help jump start our offense then it would be worth the price.

but this is a draft I would be ecstatic to trade back on. It is so deep at so many positions, if we could get an extra 2nd and 3rd somehow, I am all about it. I'm not thrilled with the options at 23. I would hate to move up.

We could get a pass catching TE in the 3rd if we need to. Keep the 2nd. Go BPA at 23 and then see what OL is still there at 55.

to get someone they really like. If there is someone available a few spots before we pick that the Giants have rated really high, I can def see it. Do you think the Giants have Njoku rated really high?

There are some top notch players in the second half of the first round that are very, very good. The Giants can't afford to give up draft picks this year and TE is not an emergency need for the team. Not to mention, there are TE's in the draft that could be had 2 or 3 rounds later that would have been first round picks in other years. Just don't see it.

I would actually he fairly shocked if Njoku isn't there at 23. And I wouldn't take him if he was. If I can get Bucky Hodges in the 2nd, great. Maybe Engram if not. And if neither of them, I could get Leggett in the third.

I'm comfortable though with Jerrell Adams taking on a larger role next year, with Ellison and Tye, and Lacosse for emergency depth. I think that is fine.

So I don't see the need to lose a pick or picks for Njoku.

In comment 13396215 mavric said:

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There are some top notch players in the second half of the first round that are very, very good. The Giants can't afford to give up draft picks this year and TE is not an emergency need for the team. Not to mention, there are TE's in the draft that could be had 2 or 3 rounds later that would have been first round picks in other years. Just don't see it.

I wholeheartedly disagree with this. Eli has 3 years left max and the Giants need to be thinking about winning now. This team does not have many major needs (OL, TE, LB) and odds are pretty low at drafting players in rounds 4-7 at exactly those positions who will be major contributors in the next 2 years.

If you think a player at any of those positions can step in, start, and contribute in week 1 then it's absolutely worth it to go for it. This is not a team in need of rebuilding and stockpiling picks for future productivity. This team is in win now mode and if there was ever a time to "go for it" then it's now.

Our offense last season was absolutely pathetic. We added Marshall on the outside which will be a tremendous help and we added Fluker on the right side of the oline and hopefully he can help solidify and improve the line. There are no offensive linemen in this draft that will be able to replace Flowers at LT and our defense was already very good last season.

If Reese thinks that Njoku (or anyone else) will have a big impact on our ability to move the ball and score, then this is the year you make a move like this.

Looks a lot like Donnell. Engram is head and shoulders above this kid. Not even close.

Gmen haven't traded up in the first round since Eli.

wouldn't be surprised. I don't think Reese will do anything dramatic, but a small trade up is certainly possible. I'm OK with that, as long as he doesn't give up more than one day three pick. The argument against it is that this draft has many quality TEs, and Njoku isn't a complete player. His blocking needs work. It's possible to get a "seam stretching" TE later in the draft who also is a poor blocker. That TE certainly won't be as athletic as Njoku, but might offer enough in that regard not to need to trade up.

I don't ever talk about trading back,
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10:08 am : link : reply
but this is a draft I would be ecstatic to trade back on. It is so deep at so many positions, if we could get an extra 2nd and 3rd somehow, I am all about it. I'm not thrilled with the options at 23.

you are going to get an extra 2nd and 3rd, by trading back at 23....this is not fantasy football....

In comment 13396235 gmenatlarge said:

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Gmen haven't traded up in the first round since Eli.

But yet we tried moving up in the first on multiple occasions. We tried moving up to get Revis in 2007 and Reese also considered moving up a few slots to get Leon Hall that same year (We ended up taking Ross). Reese also explored moving up for Darrius Heyward Bay

I've been saying this for weeks - when the smoke clears the Giants are going to have to trade up for the TE they want.

Njoku is close with Jeremy Shockey believe it or not. We've come full circle.

IMO he's not the #1 player in the draft but he's the absolute best guy we could land. He would fix our problem, it's really as simple as that.

Worth a 1st + 3rd to move up. I may be in the minority here but I would take him over Howard due to his explosive, game-breaking ability in the passing game. What McAdoo could do with Njoku and OBJ working off eachother - I see it as "checkmate".

In comment 13396247 Doomster said:

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I don't ever talk about trading back, BigBlueDownTheShore : 10:08 am : link : reply but this is a draft I would be ecstatic to trade back on. It is so deep at so many positions, if we could get an extra 2nd and 3rd somehow, I am all about it. I'm not thrilled with the options at 23. you are going to get an extra 2nd and 3rd, by trading back at 23....this is not fantasy football....

I said IF we could! I didn't say it was realistic, but hell stranger things have happened. This draft is absolutely stacked.

it costs too much to move up in the 1st round. Stay pat, take the BPA, and keep your assets in the mid rounds.

If you haven't read this local article about Njoku's current training.....He's a freak. 35 1/4" arms.



Guess which one he is?


Njoku's Goal: Be the Best TE in Draft, Hurricanes History - ( New Window )

on this offense, we haven't had one in a long time. Think of the matchup nightmare with OBJ, Marshall, Shep and the likes of Howard and or Njoku? Weapons! Having a TE that scares teams would open this offense up so much and help out Eli! He only has a few good years left, NOW is the time!

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UConn4523 : 10:31 am : link : reply
it costs too much to move up in the 1st round. Stay pat, take the BPA, and keep your assets in the mid rounds


how have those mid round picks worked out?

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no UConn4523 : 10:31 am : link : reply it costs too much to move up in the 1st round. Stay pat, take the BPA, and keep your assets in the mid rounds how have those mid round picks worked out?

This is an extremely deep draft in multiple positions. Not all years are the same.

Doomster it's Friday and Saint Patrick's day feel a little more positive today!

This guy is a work in progress at this time, why would you use your first rounder as a work in progress? FA gave us a usable blocking TE and we still have LaCosse who if healthy could be an interesting weapon. Understood the big problem is keeping him healthy but there has to be a reason we are keeping him around.

NYG currently have 4 tight ends listed on their roster. Ellison, Tye, Adams, and LaCosse. I am pretty sure the team is high on the top 3. If I'm not mistaken, we usually only activate 2 on game days. I think the main problem with the offense is blocking. Pretty sure that's why they signed Ellison & Fluker. I would think if the Giants were to draft a TE this year, he better be a pretty damn good blocker or a true play-maker on OBJ's level. With the OL needing some juice and Pugh and Richburg decisions looming in the near future, NYG needs to draft at least one competent lineman. Same thing with DL (JPP & Hankins situations). Our depth at LB is not too great either. I'd put a higher priority on LB than at TE this year as well. That said, if Bolles, Robinson, Reddick, Ramzcyk are off the board and Howard is there I'd pick him. The other TE's don't seem to be on his level, in my opinion.

In comment 13396234 TheGhostofBlueGuy said:

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Looks a lot like Donnell. Engram is head and shoulders above this kid. Not even close.

Glad your not doing the drafting

and imo Njoku isn't that. A LT like Ramczyk, a WR like Williams or Davis, a LB like Foster, or OJ Howard are the guys I'd be lusting after, and we're not even desperate for them, aside from the LT.

But I'd rather trade down if that was available to me.

In comment 13396300 Doomster said:

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no UConn4523 : 10:31 am : link : reply it costs too much to move up in the 1st round. Stay pat, take the BPA, and keep your assets in the mid rounds how have those mid round picks worked out?

I don't care about history, I care about the future. This is a different team with a different philosophy and the old regime is gone, IMO. This is a deep draft and late picks can be gold.

...nah.

my point is IF Njoku is there around 19, 20, 21, then the leap from 23 there isn't that much. if you don't know about Njoku then don't make stupid comments that's he looks clumsy.

This offense is missing a serious threat TE. Not a project TE to get in the 4th round. How did Adrian Robinson turn out? 4th round "project" NO THANK YOU.

We don't need Njoku to block, we need him to catch and stay on his feet, the anti Donnell.

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In comment 13396234 TheGhostofBlueGuy said:

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Looks a lot like Donnell. Engram is head and shoulders above this kid. Not even close.

Worst post of the year. Njoku looks nothing like Donnell

...it will be to land an OL that they feel can start day one. I like Njoku, but I don't see them trading up for a pass-catching TE who demonstrated more potential than production at the college level.

"if we draft a TE he should be a playmaker same as OBJ."

Priceless! I'll let Reese know.

Hitting the bottle early yesterday eh?

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This guy is a freak. An athletic marvel.
Our offense basically looks for the TE to do 2 things - the 5 yard out and the seam.

This guy is extremely dangerous in both of those plays. On the 5-yard out he is shot out of a cannon. GREAT transition from catch to run. You here coaches talk about "game wreckers": This is a guy who will wreck a game with his YAC ability.
This is a guy who will wreck a game is you sit back in a cover 2 and let him fly down the seam. A 6'4" former state champion high jumper with great ball skills and hands. He commands extra attention.

Pair this guy with OBJ and it's game, set, match.

And Eli STILL has Marshall working the backside if they somehow manage to cover both of these guys. This is the kind of talent you need to make a WCO go.

So when he is in you know we will pass, when Ellison is in you know we will run. I really don't think that's a good idea, and frankly would probably end up using Ellison more since he can catch also.

I don't see the Giants taking a "receiver only" TE high in the draft. We really never have so why now. Shockey could block well too. OJ Howard would be a possibility if he slipped, but even then we don't seem to value TE's that high.

up to draft one. That 3rd rounder will fill a need on the team, since there is so little depth.

I would jump all over Howard in rd 1. Njoku seems a bit more of a project, but I'd be ok with that at 23.

If noth Howard and Njoku are gone, I'd be happy with Lamp/Robinson/Ramcyzk/Bolles and look for TE talent rds 2-4.

Evan Engram is really growing on me, thinking what he would provide in the passing game. Steal in rd 2 if he's there. Even if he's not there are clones of him like Everett, Smith, Daniels later on.

That 3rd rounder could be a DT, a OG, a CB, a RB. Too many holes to move up right now.

Leggett, Sprinkle etc. later on. They'll make some plays and generally do a good job.

Or you could go for the All Pro.

PatersonPlank, I think you're underselling his blocking. He really does remind of Shockey in a lot of ways. He was better than given credit for and became a dominant blocker very quickly.

Here's a blurb about his blocking from his teammate TE Stan Dobard:

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“He’s a freak,” senior tight end Stan Dobard said. “He does a lot of things well, and now he’s becoming one of the great blockers too, not just a pass-catcher so he’s coming all around. He’s a complete tight end now, so he’s going to be a star.”

Article notes he ran a 4.49 at Miami.
Canes Watch - ( New Window )

Engram could be really special, like better than Aaron Hernandez, better than Reed.

Everett, Smith, Hodges, Daniels, Kittle are ALL very fast for TEs. Giants need that seam buster and reliable edge blocker. There is no need to move up for that. And these guys can be much more than that.