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KWALL2 : 3/19/2017 3:06 pm
So how are you supposed to drop money on NBA tickets for a good matchup?

I just spent $1200 for 2 tickets to Cavs/Clippers(my 10 year old is a Lebron fan). He was fired up to see James with these great seats. I paid for it thinking there was no chance they would sit. They didn't play the night before and this was the FIRST game of a back to back.

Get to the game right before tip off and find out they aren't playing. Stadium was packed with out of town Cavs fans who paid big money and traveled to see Channing Frye get big minutes. Talked with people who drive from SF and ARZ for this game. They didn't know about it until really late too.

It was awful. Prime time game. Big matchup. And they just sit them and worst of all announce it late. Horseshit move by the Cavs especially doing it so late. GS and Spurs doing the same shit.

You can't count on getting what you paid for at NBA games. I won't do it again. We paid for something and they didn't deliver. Great business. I won't be back for another regular season game.

I hear Van Gundy went off about it all night. Good for him.



These guys suck. Coaches and teams suck too for doing it. I hope this hits them next time the TV deal is up.

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Francessa obliterated the NBA for this last week  
djm : 3/19/2017 3:44 pm : link
And he's on the mark with saying that this shit won't last. The commish needs to step in here and fast.

What's even more bothersome is that these coaches almost seem to enjoy doing this. Almost looks like they look at the fan base with contempt. At the very least they don't give a fuck if the fans are disappointed. Someone needs to remind these fuckers who the hell pays their insane salaries. It's the fans, you know, those poor misinformed slobs that get in the way. Fuck off there popovich.
Ratings are down across the board this year..  
Sean : 3/19/2017 3:46 pm : link
NBA is having a rough year.

Finals should be excellent though.
Kwall...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/19/2017 3:47 pm : link
Sorry to hear you put down some serious coin to witness last night's 'game'.

And yes, I agree. I hate it. Silver needs to do something about it.
Its these teams way of protesting  
superspynyg : 3/19/2017 3:49 pm : link
the way the schedule is made. It just hurts the fans.
I took my nephew  
MookGiants : 3/19/2017 3:52 pm : link
to see Curry/Warriors play the knicks a couple weeks ago. He's a big Curry fan

Tickets were expensive, 300+ each, and they were just OK seats.

I was actually falling asleep during the game. The NBA bores me that much. And it wasn't even a blowout.

NBA regular season is by far the worst sport to watch.
RE: Kwall...  
Jim in Fairfax : 3/19/2017 3:54 pm : link
In comment 13399081 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Sorry to hear you put down some serious coin to witness last night's 'game'.

And yes, I agree. I hate it. Silver needs to do something about it.

Not sure how you can compel players to play, or for teams to play them.

Season is too long, with too many back-to-backs and long road trips. But they'll never shorten it because of the revenue loss.
if they continue  
uconngiant : 3/19/2017 3:55 pm : link
to do this they will lose the fans they crave the most, young people. Stupid move by the Superstars in the NBA. You never saw this during Jordan's, Bird's or Magic's playing days.
Unless you're  
Gman11 : 3/19/2017 3:58 pm : link
independently wealthy, dropping $1200 for a pair of tickets was your first mistake. I don't care if Jesus Christ is playing, that's a ridiculous amount of money to spend on two tickets to a meaningless regular season game.
RE: Unless you're  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/19/2017 4:00 pm : link
In comment 13399099 Gman11 said:
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independently wealthy, dropping $1200 for a pair of tickets was your first mistake. I don't care if Jesus Christ is playing, that's a ridiculous amount of money to spend on two tickets to a meaningless regular season game.


Don't tell the man how to spend his $. And as he wrote, his son is a huge LBJ fan. If you have the resources, why not treat your kid to something special? Obviously it didn't turn out to be what they thought because LBJ sat, but still.
RE: Its these teams way of protesting  
djm : 3/19/2017 4:03 pm : link
In comment 13399083 superspynyg said:
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the way the schedule is made. It just hurts the fans.


Ohh booo fucking hooooo. Charter another jet and cry me a river. Schedule my ass. Deal with it. You can't sit your star on a whim you're in the entertainment business. Show the fan base some respect.
They can and they do  
Keith : 3/19/2017 4:05 pm : link
because the regular season in the NBA means nothing. They can rest their starts and have a better chance of making it to the Finals.

Not sure what the league can do. How can they stop players from sitting out? The teams can just make up phantom injuries.
You pretty much have to go to a game  
illmatic : 3/19/2017 4:06 pm : link
early in the season to avoid this. And it sucks that it's like that.

I kind of hope the Cavs blow the #1 seed for doing things like this.
They  
mitch300 : 3/19/2017 4:19 pm : link
Do it because they can. The Cavs di this 2 years in a row against Memphis. If fans are willing to spend the money( which they are) it will never change. Knick fans want change. Yet the sellout every game . Why should Dolan change anything. Remember even though it is sports, it's all about the money. When fans stop showing up then maybe things will change. I am really curious how many show up in Memphis next season when the Cavs come in.
.  
arcarsenal : 3/19/2017 4:25 pm : link
The NBA regular season is brutal. There is zero appeal.
I would think this could be partially rectified  
kelsto811 : 3/19/2017 4:25 pm : link
by the NBA having similar rules to NFL where the team needs to release their active players at X time prior to tip off. Honestly it may not even help, but I'm not sure what the alternatives are.
People bitch about it, but they won't stop buying tickets  
jcn56 : 3/19/2017 4:28 pm : link
and as a result, the behavior will continue. No real effective way to prevent teams from doing it from a rule perspective.
There is really no logical way to curtail this practice, but I'm  
Jim in Hoboken : 3/19/2017 4:33 pm : link
not really bothered by it because my Knicks suck and I don't waste any of my time and energy on the NBA.

Even if the league fines the players, or institutes a DL-like policy similar to the MLB, you can't prevent the players from logging 2 minutes and calling it a game by feigning injury.

I do hate Popovich's holier-than-thou attitude regarding this practice. Didn't the Spurs lose a game virtually on purpose, leading to an unfavorable draw in the playoffs and their early ouster?

It's still better than the Knicks' inexplicable not tanking for god knows why...
The regular season  
bubba0825 : 3/19/2017 4:38 pm : link
Is too meaningless, along with not enough parity. What motivation do the cavs have to win that game last night?
I feel like this has essentially been a topic of debate  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/19/2017 4:56 pm : link
since last year.

Buy tickets at your own risk. More and more teams are doing this.
RE: Unless you're  
steve in ky : 3/19/2017 4:57 pm : link
In comment 13399099 Gman11 said:
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independently wealthy, dropping $1200 for a pair of tickets was your first mistake. I don't care if Jesus Christ is playing, that's a ridiculous amount of money to spend on two tickets to a meaningless regular season game.


There is assuredly things your family spends money one that others would view as wasting it.

Maybe he has enough to where the $1200 isn't as big deal as it would be for you or maybe he saved all year to treat his son to a special gift. Either way it's his business and he wasn't seeking advise on whether he should or shouldn't have spent it.
Can't see how to put it on coaches  
giantsfan44ab : 3/19/2017 4:58 pm : link
they want to maximize their chances in the playoffs. Playing their best guys on back to backs in meaningless reg season games is just that, meaningless.

This is the worst of the regular season, and that says a lot. Teams just tank/rest players. The NBA would ideally be 40-50 games (like the lockout year but more spread out). But its hard to see how to cut down regular season games with how business is going in the NBA.
Complain with your wallet  
widmerseyebrow : 3/19/2017 5:02 pm : link
It's the only way it's going to change. Until you stop dropping $1200 on a regular season game, the scheduling will never improve and coaches will continue to do this.
it's bait and switch  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/19/2017 5:19 pm : link
and that's BS. It's a shitty practice. It's extra shitty because teams tend to do this at Road arenas where those fans don't have the opportunity to see you play 41+ times a year. The NBA and Silver definitely need to figure something out.

That being said, this is LeBron James. He's a 32 year old who has played an insane amount of minutes and has been his team's MVP since he was 18. There is a lot of mileage on those tires. Their main goal is to still win it all, and keeping LeBron rested for the playoffs is the most important thing they can do to maximize their chances at winning it all.

Also, as far as regular season's go, college basketball and hockey easily have more worthless ones. Seeds and homecourt actually matter in the NBA and the WC playoff this race is going to come right down to the wire.

The inevitability of Warriors vs. Cavs has casted a shadow over this entire season, but the amount of young stars who have ascended this year has been impressive and the overall leaguewide talent level is probably the highest it's been since the early 90s. Can't wait for the playoffs.
It was my sons xmas gift  
KWALL2 : 3/19/2017 6:03 pm : link
James doesn't come out here often. We got mid court seats down low.

I knew there was a risk but no game the night before made it for me. Also they were playing lakers next. If they were going to site o expected it to be the 2nd game of a nack to back against the weaker team.

What really made it worse was not knowing about it untill the starters were announced. He was crushed. They announced it very late. A lot of people didn't know.

If they keep it up it will impact ticket sales and tv money. Disagree with the comment about people will still buy tickets. No they won't. Not with the same demand.
This is  
Allen in CNJ : 3/19/2017 6:24 pm : link
why I do not watch the NBA.
Teams should be fined  
Giant John : 3/19/2017 7:14 pm : link
Everyone holding a valid ticket should have the cast of the ticket refunded. That would be the end of that.
Cast = Cost  
Giant John : 3/19/2017 7:16 pm : link
Typo.
RE: Teams should be fined  
steve in ky : 3/19/2017 7:24 pm : link
In comment 13399275 Giant John said:
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Everyone holding a valid ticket should have the cast of the ticket refunded. That would be the end of that.


Then you would just have guys saying they have a slight nagging injury (what pro athlete doesn't) that needs resting.

The league can't fine teams for resting players if coaches/trainers feel they need it.

I doubt they would ever do it but maybe the league should look into shortening the season for the good of the game.





RE: It was my sons xmas gift  
jcn56 : 3/19/2017 7:54 pm : link
In comment 13399230 KWALL2 said:
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If they keep it up it will impact ticket sales and tv money. Disagree with the comment about people will still buy tickets. No they won't. Not with the same demand.


I don't agree, but you're entitled to your opinion. Plenty of people are bitching about it, and it doesn't seem to be happening less often, so let's circle back at the end of next year and see who's right.
As unfortunate as the situation is  
Kulish29 : 3/19/2017 8:22 pm : link
the NBA is a business. Teams are protecting their most precious assets for when it counts; the post season. Shitty but, it is what it is.

People can rant and rave about how something must be done and, try to convince themselves Silver is going to do something but, the reality is, he wont.
I think it's a problem  
PaulBlakeTSU : 3/19/2017 8:26 pm : link
but I understand why teams do it.

I think that while the game may not be as physical as in the past in terms of body-on-body contact, these players are so much bigger and more athletic and are putting so much more stress on their bodies than they did in the past-- exploding faster, cutting harder, jumping higher, etc.

I also recommend this video post by this guy Mike Korzemba (only know him from this video) arguing that there is a big problem with a sharp rise in the number of playoff games missed by starters due to injuries and how the schedule needs to be reconsidered to cut down on this big problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk9OGqNfi3o - ( New Window )
I was once a big fan  
Ron Johnson 30 : 3/19/2017 9:09 pm : link
Now I never watch and that includes the playoffs
RE: It was my sons xmas gift  
Joey in VA : 3/19/2017 9:11 pm : link
In comment 13399230 KWALL2 said:
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James doesn't come out here often. We got mid court seats down low.

I knew there was a risk but no game the night before made it for me. Also they were playing lakers next. If they were going to site o expected it to be the 2nd game of a nack to back against the weaker team.

What really made it worse was not knowing about it untill the starters were announced. He was crushed. They announced it very late. A lot of people didn't know.

If they keep it up it will impact ticket sales and tv money. Disagree with the comment about people will still buy tickets. No they won't. Not with the same demand.
That sucks man, I'm sorry. Truly that is horrendous for you to do something meaningful for your kid and a rich bunch of whiny shits ruin it because they're too tired to run around for 48 minutes. Pussies.
Damn, that sucks. Sorry to hear that.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/19/2017 9:25 pm : link
I used to be just as big of NBA fan as I am an NFL fan all the way from childhood all the way to about 2008 or 2009. But ever since then, I just haven't been into it for some reason and don't watch it all anymore. Stuff like this isn't helping their case out, either. Like, if they're injured or even just hurt, I could understand it. But "rest?" Really? If the schedule is too long for some of the games' biggest stars, then they should seriously think about shortening the regular season. Otherwise, play. Kind of ridiculous that a perfectly healthy player, face of the game, is sitting just to "rest."
No fan should complain  
LCtheINTMachine : 3/19/2017 9:51 pm : link
The ticket says Clippers and Cavaliers. Says nothing about any particular player. Anyone who attended saw the Cavs play the Clippers on March 20. Certainly an epic and memorable encounter.

The NBA could easily avoid this by not scheduling a back-to-back with a national TV game. The league didn't.

I don't think the fans matter. The league has worldwide TV deals and much better to watch at home anyway. I don't see attendance down so fans are obviously happy with it if they continue to pay outrageous prices for the product.

The only solution I could see is to fine the NBA owners. Good luck with that one.
RE: It was my sons xmas gift  
LCtheINTMachine : 3/19/2017 9:55 pm : link
If they keep it up it will impact ticket sales and tv money. Disagree with the comment about people will still buy tickets. No they won't. Not with the same demand. [/quote]

Sorry the fans will always buy tickets. They are too stupid and clueless about the business not to. I mean why would anyone go to any Lakers or Knicks game this season? Yet look at the attendance for those teams. Fans in LA and NY will always go, no matter how shitty the product is, because the rich people who can afford thousand-dollar tickets will buy them.

I am proud not have gone to a Knick game since 2005. Suck on it NBA.
The goal of a team is to win a championship.  
bradshaw44 : 3/19/2017 10:10 pm : link
I don't blame the players or coaches. The league is in the business of entertaining the fans to make money. They need to make some sort of change during the next labor agreement. Basically when the schedule comes out, each player gets X amount of rest days per year and the team has to annalyze the schedule before the season starts and plot each players rest days so the fans know. Easiest way to handle this problem in my view.
RE: As unfortunate as the situation is  
BigBlueShock : 3/19/2017 10:10 pm : link
In comment 13399344 Kulish29 said:
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the NBA is a business. Teams are protecting their most precious assets for when it counts; the post season. Shitty but, it is what it is.

People can rant and rave about how something must be done and, try to convince themselves Silver is going to do something but, the reality is, he wont.

Supposedly the league called the Cavs owner a few minutes after tip off to let him know they were not happy. I'm not saying there is much the league can do about it, but to assume so emphatically that they will do nothing is a bit off, imo. Clearly Silver doesn't like this tactic and he has shown to be a man of forward thinking. Not sure what he can do, again, but I'm sure he will be looking at some things.
They should just shorten the season  
David in LA : 3/19/2017 10:14 pm : link
if star players keep resting randomly.
.  
Go Terps : 3/19/2017 11:01 pm : link
The fundamental flaw of the NBA has always been that the star players are bigger than the team. It's been marketed and built that way for decades.

It's the one major team sport where that is the case. To me that is a huge flaw in the sport.
NBA is also the one sport where you go see a single player.  
Jim in Hoboken : 3/19/2017 11:19 pm : link
If you purchase tickets ahead of time to see Lebron and instead you get Richard Jefferson, you are going to be pissed.

The root of this is lack of parity in the league, with all these stars wanting to team up together. What do these mega teams care when they are up 15 games in the standings.

The most maddening thing is also the flippant way teams are doing it now, they are not resting one player who's marginally hurt, instead they are resting three of them at a time when they are not hurt but simply to rest them. If that's not a big fuck you to the fans, I don't know what is. And honestly I don't even think even diehard fans would empathize with that logic just so their team has healthier players going into the playoffs.

I supposed they'd try not to do it on their homecourts just so not to anger hometown fans, but maybe someone can look into it. Where did the Warriors and Cavs rest practically half the team, on the road or at home? There should be a rule that the fans get a refund or free ticket to another game whenver this happens, that will put a stop to this practice.
RE: NBA is also the one sport where you go see a single player.  
Sgrcts : 3/20/2017 12:45 am : link
In comment 13399467 Jim in Hoboken said:
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If you purchase tickets ahead of time to see Lebron and instead you get Richard Jefferson, you are going to be pissed.

The root of this is lack of parity in the league, with all these stars wanting to team up together. What do these mega teams care when they are up 15 games in the standings.

The most maddening thing is also the flippant way teams are doing it now, they are not resting one player who's marginally hurt, instead they are resting three of them at a time when they are not hurt but simply to rest them. If that's not a big fuck you to the fans, I don't know what is. And honestly I don't even think even diehard fans would empathize with that logic just so their team has healthier players going into the playoffs.

I supposed they'd try not to do it on their homecourts just so not to anger hometown fans, but maybe someone can look into it. Where did the Warriors and Cavs rest practically half the team, on the road or at home? There should be a rule that the fans get a refund or free ticket to another game whenver this happens, that will put a stop to this practice.



Who are these mega teams up 15 games you speak of?
jcn  
KWALL2 : 3/20/2017 1:02 am : link
This is a newer trend. It started with the Spurs. Now we have a few teams doing it. It hasn't hurt yet? OK. But it certainly will if it continues.

There were a lot of people pissed off. The bitching is just getting started. You are right that it "doesn't seem to be happening less often" but that sure as hell does not mean it won't hurt the league down the road. This BS is growing.

Keep it up and it will impact the bottom line. My story wasn't an isolated incident. There were so many pissed off people in that stadium. I talked with people who traveled and made special arrangements for this game. That won't happen again for many.

People paid a premium for this matchup. They did not deliver what the customer paid for.

They can't just piss on the customers and expect they will continue to step up with their wallet. It won't happen. Buying trends in sports change. It has in baseball, right? In boxing too. And it sure as hell can here with the NBA.
Sorry about this KWALL  
StingerProf : 3/20/2017 2:36 am : link
Shitty. Just shitty.

Silver lining: your son will never forget the night you took him to the game. Regardless who played or who won.
That sucks  
JOrthman : 3/20/2017 3:06 am : link
I used to be a huge NBA fan, as big of or bigger then I am of the NFL. However, I got sick of some of the players on my team (Lakers) and I got suck of the NBA flopping so haven't followed anywhere near what I did back in the day.
An NBA player can rest 6 games  
hitdog42 : 3/20/2017 6:44 am : link
To equate to an NFL player missing 1 to rest for the playoffs.

The schedule has some teams playing 6 games in 8 days.

Wimps- such wimps-

And yes I think it's unfortunate for fans to pay to see lebron in prime time and not get that... but some of the commentary in here just echos the bias people have against the NBA. They prefer to watch bad college basketball games because there is a fun tournament and lot of school pride .

The NBA is doing just fine
Hitdog  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2017 7:26 am : link
People want to be entertained, period. Some want to see the best players in the world, others just want to enjoy an exciting game regardless of level of play. NBA games are absolutely lifeless in the regular season and stars sitting makes it even worse. Every NBA game I've been to has been dead, every college game I've been to has been full of energy.

End of the day people want to feel their money was well spent.
The fact that the stars sit as much as they do..  
Sean : 3/20/2017 7:34 am : link
confirms the NBA season means absolutely nothing.
RE: An NBA player can rest 6 games  
BigBlueShock : 3/20/2017 7:50 am : link
In comment 13399524 hitdog42 said:
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To equate to an NFL player missing 1 to rest for the playoffs.

The schedule has some teams playing 6 games in 8 days.

Wimps- such wimps-

And yes I think it's unfortunate for fans to pay to see lebron in prime time and not get that... but some of the commentary in here just echos the bias people have against the NBA. They prefer to watch bad college basketball games because there is a fun tournament and lot of school pride .

The NBA is doing just fine

If someone were to pay $1200 to watch a QB of a team that they know will likely be resting players in the last two weeks then that's on them. The NBA situation is completely different. This stuff is happening throughout the season, so how can a fan possibly know when? It's a ridiculous comparison in your fight to stick up for the NBA. You don't think fans would be pissed if they bought tickets to a Giants game in November and the team sat 3/5 of the starters, and ALL of the superstars? And it's worse in the NBA to begin with, since it's such a star players league.

What a weird time to throw around the "you just hate the NBA" nonsense. If there were ever a time you'd think we'd all agree...nope.
Have to go to a playoff  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/20/2017 8:02 am : link
Game. Only way u dont get fucked for sure
I haven't watched a game his year.

Seriously how
Many teams have a chance to win it all. The only reason most people will go is to see someone like LeBron or Curry. It's like going to a top shelf restaurant and getting Spam

No rules against it but teams want older players who are stars
Those guys need rest. Just be happy they don't
Aggressively test for TRT and HGH. Half the NBA would be suspended

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