Should be the first of 4 losses this week. 4 road games against 3 playoff teams and a 4th likely one. Unless the Spurs rest everyone.
Big stat lines last night:
-Dame 49
-Kyrie 46
-D-Lo 40
-Lebron 34 and 7
-Love 21 and 15
-Ingram with 18
-Nurkic 21 and 12, 3 blocks
-Davis 28 and 12. Jordan Crawford 22, been a big addition. Solomon hill has been doing a bit better too.
-KAT 33, Wiggins 25
-Saric with 23. Another win, the sixers actually look like a decent team without Embiid/Simmons
-WCS and Hield. 18 and 5 assists. Skal 14 and 7
Sixers don't really have an incentive to tank. They will naturally pass Sacramento in the standings so a top 6 pick is very much in play.
yesterdays intervies sounded like an after the season press conference, kp and rose both said the tram jist never clicked together and couldnt get it going...
Every word out of this guy's mouth pisses me off.
Agreed, that's just silly - waiting to be mathematically eliminated? This team mailed it in since november
The only competition is whether over this time is who has been worse, the FO (collectively) and the players. And your dedicated following of the team over the past few weeks has gradually been sapped, because of irrelevance, of focus on what to me is arguably the worst move of the 2016 offseason, the signing of Joakim. I loved watching his heart, smarts, and hustle with the Bulls, but his last two years were such red flags, and to see him this season, even in the early games, it was clear he has lost a big % of his mobility, whether age, arthritis, desire, whatever. And at that contractual term, that cost. My goodness.
Again, nothing but admiration for you guys here, but the recompense is so out of proportion. How many organizations in professional sports in recent years, with the $$ and fanbase the Knicks control, have outdone the Knicks in ineptitude?
yesterdays intervies sounded like an after the season press conference, kp and rose both said the tram jist never clicked together and couldnt get it going...
At what point do we completely kill Horn and Phil? Either or. Horn for not putting his stamp on things and Phil for putting too much of a stamp on things. Fucking stamps. We either have too many stamps or not enough stamps at MSG.
Horn did a dreadful job this year. I don't care what Phil is or isn't doing. Coach the fucking team. Coach to win. I haven't seen a bigger mess of a team at MSG in a long time. And that's saying something. This team wasn't very good but they shouldn't be this bad. This is a travesty. With that said, it's a well placed travesty. Bank the tank. Pick a winner.
That's why there needs to be clarity. Boston hires Stevens with an understanding there would be a lot of losing early on, and he just did his thing on the developmental front with no worries about job status. Same with Brown in Philly and Atkinson in Brooklyn. Our coaches have no clue what direction we're going because Phil has no clue either.
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yesterdays intervies sounded like an after the season press conference, kp and rose both said the tram jist never clicked together and couldnt get it going...
At what point do we completely kill Horn and Phil? Either or. Horn for not putting his stamp on things and Phil for putting too much of a stamp on things. Fucking stamps. We either have too many stamps or not enough stamps at MSG.
Horn did a dreadful job this year. I don't care what Phil is or isn't doing. Coach the fucking team. Coach to win. I haven't seen a bigger mess of a team at MSG in a long time. And that's saying something. This team wasn't very good but they shouldn't be this bad. This is a travesty. With that said, it's a well placed travesty. Bank the tank. Pick a winner.
Clean house and bring in a competent and experienced GM. And truly clean house- not the half measure Phil did. No more Alan Houston, Steve Mills, even the trainer Roger Hinds on the bench with a clipboard. Jackson has completely failed at changing the toxic environment and has actually made it worse. The high draft pick is great but it would be insane to entrust Jackson with another offseason.
That's why there needs to be clarity. Boston hires Stevens with an understanding there would be a lot of losing early on, and he just did his thing on the developmental front with no worries about job status. Same with Brown in Philly and Atkinson in Brooklyn. Our coaches have no clue what direction we're going because Phil has no clue either.
Earl Watson made this exact point last week. How hard it is for coaches to accept tanking when their jobs are on the line.
Clean house and bring in a competent and experienced GM. And truly clean house- not the half measure Phil did. No more Alan Houston, Steve Mills, even the trainer Roger Hinds on the bench with a clipboard. Jackson has completely failed at changing the toxic environment and has actually made it worse. The high draft pick is great but it would be insane to entrust Jackson with another offseason.
The toxic environment comes from Dolan and is institutionalized at the Garden (although interestingly not @ the Rangers). It's nice to say "clean house" but the house is the problem -- not what is inside it. We dont need a clean-up, we need a cleansing fire.
As for Horny, it's hard to avoid a conclusion that he has done an awful job. It doesnt help that his two "stars" are completely resistant to coach, dont play defense, and know that there is nothing JH can do about it.
And Rambis, Red Auerbach wouldn't have delivered any championships with Rambis on his staff as the defensive guru.
None of the moves have effected our ability to rebuild. Noah's contract won't prevent us from doing anything and we didn't give up any young players, picks or assets to bring in these vets.
I just pray they don't make stupid signings again this offseason.
Gotta figure the NYK will somehow win enough games to miss out on all these PGs. Murphy's (Knicks) Law.
I wonder if this guy Milos Teodocic would come for big bucks?
They aren't Paul George who would be the face on every billboard in Southern California if they were to jump ship.
Troy Weaver OKC
Mark Hughes (Knicks current director of player personnel, people are very high on him)
Brian Pauga (Wolves sniped him from SA)
Sixers easily. Orlando blows. Sixers have a pretty decent schedule going forward and have been winning some games and don't get affected by it because they have sacramentos pick.
Exactly - if Phil Jackson, with his rep and Lil' Jimmy's determination to hire him, didn't have enough pull to get Houston and Mills shitcanned, no anonymous young NBA exec is going to pull it off.
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Remember what team you root for. They're not still here because of Phil.
Exactly - if Phil Jackson, with his rep and Lil' Jimmy's determination to hire him, didn't have enough pull to get Houston and Mills shitcanned, no anonymous young NBA exec is going to pull it off.
The flipside is probably, why would Phil care to get Mills fired? In this structure, Mills is likely just a pass thru -- having the initial trade talks and reporting back. Gathering reports on D leaguers. Etc.
"The Kazoos are down to 25th in points allowed per possession after the Nets flitted around for 121 points in Madison Square Garden on Thursday. Two of the five teams trailing New York in defensive efficiency are trying to lose. That includes the Lakers, who spent years clutching pearls about tanking from atop their golden throne -- WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN! -- before embarking on perhaps the most naked late-season tank job in recent NBA history. They sent two veterans home, and were about to banish Nick Young -- noted winner Nick Young -- until the public shaming became too much for them.
Back to the Kazoos: they are bad at basically every part of defense. They rank last in defensive rebounding rate. Their transition defense has been an abominable mix of lazy and uncoordinated. Derrick Rose is among the half-dozen worst defenders among all full-time starters. He's either lazy, clueless, or both. The Knicks should not re-sign him unless his market collapses into nothingness.
Carmelo Anthony has been a minus on defense for years, and he completely checks out on some nights. It's hard to blame him. With everyone fixated on the NCAA tourney, Melo brought us the single best, "Yeah, I care more about my shooting percentage than helping my awful team win" instance of half-court heave avoidance in league history:
That is the basketball representation of not giving a crap. That is avant garde art.
The scary part about New York's defense? Things could even be worse. New York has allowed a ton of open 3s, but opponents have hit an unusually low percentage of them, per NBA.com.
But, sure, keep working on the triangle. Difficulty mastering that has definitely been the thing keeping the Kazoos down for the last 15 years."
Zach Lowe ESPN - ( New Window )
I would rather sit out any big free agency moves and just go with a youth movement. Let Hornacek focus on developing the team and not chasing the 8th seed. If it leads to another high pick, then you get another young player to add to the core.
The only 'attainable" free agent point guard who would interest me is Patty Mills. He's only 28, can play off the ball or even come off the bench if the 2017 pick is a PG. Any guess what he will cost?
Unrelated, but wow did Josh Jackson impress over the weekend. That guy can play. Any chance he goes number 1? Wouldn't mind pairing him with KP.....
Should've started doing this 10 games ago.
Well that's my point. Enough shoveling "okay"/solid veterans onto the Melo Hill and being cool with "being a little better". There is no doubt Teague/Hill are better than Derrick Rose. It doesn't mean either one makes any sense on the 3-4 year 15+ million dollar deals they will be getting. No more of this crap.
No, Rose is delusional. He thinks his D is good.
I dont care if we win 15 or 45 games next season. I want to see a baseline of discipline and accountability put down. No NBA team has gotten anywhere being as uncommitted as we are.
It's hard to disbelieve this. Phil just screams doosh to me. I wanted to love the guy when hired here. But his overall persona is just awful. Perception is reality and all that crap...but it's true. If the the guy making the moves for your franchise is perceived as a total dickwad, that can't be good.
Rondo told The Undefeated that he asked a few of the other players from the 2008 team if Allen should be invited to the party, and that he received “a no, a no head shake,” in response. Apparently, Rondo and the others are still steaming mad about Allen’s decision to sign with the Miami Heat in 2012. Here’s Rondo explaining things:
“It will be a long story about that, but it is what it is,” Rondo, who plays for the Chicago Bulls, told The Undefeated. “I don’t know a good analogy to put this in. It just wasn’t the greatest separation. It wasn’t the greatest thing that could’ve happened to us as a team, a bond. We were at war with those guys [Miami]. To go with the enemy, that’s unheard-of in sports. Well, it’s not so unheard of. It’s damn near common now.
“The mindset we had. The guys on our team. You wouldn’t do anything like that. It makes you question that series in the Finals … Who were you for? You didn’t bleed green. People think we had a messed-up relationship. It’s not the greatest. But it’s not just me. I called and reached out to a couple of other vets and asked them what they wanted to do with the situation. They told me to stick with what we got [without Allen].”
As if that's anything new for the Knicks
Lakers are fully preparing for Ball to be on-ball.
Very hard to fix organizational issues when the fish stinks from the head (Dolan) and there is no mechanism to chop off the head.
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Carmelo has been doing a lot of thinking, feels like he's missing out that he's not in the playoffs. Sounds like someone who needs a change.
Very hard to fix organizational issues when the fish stinks from the head (Dolan) and there is no mechanism to chop off the head.
I agree with this but it works for the Rangers, why couldn't it work for the Knicks with the right guy? I'd love for them to go big game hunting for a GM but I'd be happy with an up and comer to replace Phil. I just don't see Phil doing a complete rebuild and that's what's needed.
Very hard to fix organizational issues when the fish stinks from the head (Dolan) and there is no mechanism to chop off the head.
you would think even the worst sell-out or sycophant should be able to avoid dumb moves like Noah and Rose. I agree that the organization is rotten due to Dolan (e.g. the Oak fiasco) but the failure of this current roster and the black cloud over this season is on Phil IMO.
not lately.
Basically things Phil didn't have when he accepted the job.
However, this year will be the first time the Rangers have their #1 pick since 2012. 4 straight seasons with no #1s. In that span we've had two seasons without a #2 either. And we just traded a 2 and a 3 for an average defenseman who is a UFA on July 1. The Rangers havent killed themselves trading away these assets because they've drafted VERY well with the picks they retained, but the lack of picks has left a massive hole in the organization, particularly at defense. Is Dolan driving any of that? I dont think he's telling management to make specific trades. But I wouldnt be shocked if he's suggesting the same win-now mentality that the Knicks have operated under for years. Albeit with the Rangers that mentality is justifiable due to having a strong team. And what happens to the Rangers if they struggle for a few seasons again?
Because those Knicks teams of 2011-2013 wouldn't be the worst thing if the NBA wasn't as star reliant. I mean you take that 2012-13 Knick team equivalent of an NFL or MLB team and you have a decent shot. Didn't the knicks break a 3 point attempt record that year? If it was baseball and they could be like the SF Giants, a WC team that just gets hot (in this case, by just taking an insane amount of 3s) and it can win you a WS even if you aren't close to being the best team (and the Knicks were arguably a top 5-6 team that year).
It just doesn't work like that in the NBA because Lebron.
Now that's the blueprint every team is going for.
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Hopefully by the time we play them on April 12 Melo, Rose and KP will already have been shut down. It would just be so typical of the Knicks to win the last game of the season against Philly to put us behind them in the lottery.
Carmelo Anthony hinted that he might be willing to waive his no-trade clause this offseason.
This year will be the fourth straight season the Knicks have failed to qualify for the playoffs. Speaking with reporters on Monday, Melo was introspective. "Honestly, I think about it a lot," he said. "I try to put everything into perspective. I think about [New York], I think postseason... It makes you want to think about what’s next or what could be next." Melo had been averaging over 36 minutes per game for the last two months but played just 25 in Monday night's blowout. He may be rested once or twice over New York's final 12 games.
Melo sure seemed open to LA in those comments. I would love for Magic to give up something for him- would have to take on long term money though. However it happens, he can't come back next year. These next few months will be crucial to the Knicks future....
only bad contract to come of it was noah and hopefully he can at least give you good leadership for the young guys..
Now having said that phil got lucky as shit that the team bottomed oit and didnt barely miss the playoffs..
lets just hope if it is true he is hell bent on tradng melo that means rose walks as well
If the Pacers turned that down they could be screwed depending on how serious PG is about LA.
Was talking to my friend who is a die-hard Sixers fan. I told him if the Sixers get the Lakers pick, they should trade one of their picks for Jimmy Butler and use the other one on Monk.
Having all these assets are nice, but they need someone to take that franchise into relevancy. Boston was offering much less for Butler and Chicago was still listening anyways.
Trade a top 5 pick in this draft, Okafor, the Sixers own 2017 pick, maybe throw in some combo of Luwawu, Korkmaz and stuaskas as well.
Can have a team of
Monk/Mcconnell
Butler
Covington/ Anderson
Simmons/ Saric (6th man)
Embiid/Holmes
Depending on how impactful Simmons is next year, I think that team could immediately compete for a top 3 seed in the east, even if embiid rests alot and Holmes fills in. Maybe throw in RoLo into the deal as a backup option.