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NFT: Mets vs. Tigers- Does Harvey get his groove back?

DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 9:43 am
Marc Carig & #10004; @MarcCarig
Lagares CF
Cecchini 2B
Conforto RF
Flores SS
Smith 1B
Plawecki C
Tebow LF
Reynolds 3B
Mazzilli DH

Harvey RHP
I don't think he gets it back  
CMicks3110 : 3/20/2017 9:59 am : link
Just my opinion
Happy to  
Metnut : 3/20/2017 10:04 am : link
see Flores get the start at SS.
..  
Named Later : 3/20/2017 10:06 am : link
I suppose we'll be hearing about Familia's suspension pretty soon. The Commish didn't exactly cover himself in glory, it stinks the way he handled this whole thing. Use Familia to aggrandize the WBC.....then suspend him for the start of the regular season.
Hopefully he's still able to deliver the high hard one  
The_Boss : 3/20/2017 10:09 am : link
and not to just Adrianna Lima.
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Metnut : 3/20/2017 10:12 am : link
In comment 13399659 Named Later said:
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I suppose we'll be hearing about Familia's suspension pretty soon. The Commish didn't exactly cover himself in glory, it stinks the way he handled this whole thing. Use Familia to aggrandize the WBC.....then suspend him for the start of the regular season.


Agreed 100%
Why all the anger at the commish  
Shecky : 3/20/2017 11:17 am : link
No one truly believes that the Mets haven't been given a HINT about the Familia situation??
RE: Why all the anger at the commish  
feelflows : 3/20/2017 11:19 am : link
In comment 13399744 Shecky said:
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No one truly believes that the Mets haven't been given a HINT about the Familia situation??


I think the sentiment is that they let him pitch the WBC because it's an important tournament for MLB..and then they will suspend him. Almost like they are using him.

BUT.. I'm pretty sure he could've opted out of playing the WBC. Maybe he struck a deal with MLB to play it for a reduced sentence.
No TV today.  
arcarsenal : 3/20/2017 11:20 am : link
Yay.
He prob wants to play in WBC  
spike : 3/20/2017 11:21 am : link
As a source of national pride
Interesting data-driven article  
Metnut : 3/20/2017 12:17 pm : link
on fangraphs looking at how Harvey might fair if his velocity doesn't go up from where it is now (i.e., if he sits at 92mph with his fb with occasional bursts a little higher). Short summary is that we need to hope he gets at least most of his FB back at some point.


http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/imagining-the-new-matt-harvey/ - ( New Window )
Tebow to open the season in Columbia  
DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 1:18 pm : link
per Sandy
RE: Tebow to open the season in Columbia  
Metnut : 3/20/2017 1:19 pm : link
In comment 13399975 DanMetroMan said:
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per Sandy


Do you think he sticks it out and plays out the entire minor league season?
RE: RE: Tebow to open the season in Columbia  
DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13399981 Metnut said:
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per Sandy



Do you think he sticks it out and plays out the entire minor league season?


Columbia is no joke so it's possible he's so bad they come up with an escape plan. That said odds are they would likely pass him around to teams like Brooklyn to milk every penny if possible.
Harvey hit 94  
CMicks3110 : 3/20/2017 1:22 pm : link
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I'm more wondering whether  
Metnut : 3/20/2017 1:23 pm : link
he just quits and does something else if it goes terrible. If he stuck it out for one or more full seasons, I'd have more respect for him.

Ehalt says Harvey sitting at 93/94 today.
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DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 1:24 pm : link
Marc Carig‏Verified account @MarcCarig 3m3 minutes ago
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Harvey 93-94 in first inning. Two hits thus fsr. So, more of the same.
The Matt Harvey watch  
sshin05 : 3/20/2017 1:28 pm : link
Matt Ehalt
19 pitches for Harvey in first. Two singles. Was at 93-94 on the pitches they showed. Allowed soft contact. One K.
You can def get by at 93-94  
sshin05 : 3/20/2017 1:30 pm : link
He probably can't blow by as many hitters as he was used to, just have to pitch smarter
RE: I'm more wondering whether  
spike : 3/20/2017 1:34 pm : link
In comment 13399990 Metnut said:
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he just quits and does something else if it goes terrible. If he stuck it out for one or more full seasons, I'd have more respect for him.

Ehalt says Harvey sitting at 93/94 today.


Tebow will probably go write a book about it and do public speaking, and go back to college football analysis. There is no money in minor league baseball and he ain't cracking a major league lineup, except maybe in September as a favor.
RE: I'm more wondering whether  
DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13399990 Metnut said:
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he just quits and does something else if it goes terrible. If he stuck it out for one or more full seasons, I'd have more respect for him.

Ehalt says Harvey sitting at 93/94 today.


Columbia is going to be a real challenge. I mean for context Kevin Kaczmarski was a 9th round pick in 2015, hit .355 in Kingsport and "only" hit .268 in Columbia. Of players that played at least 50 games they had 6 players hit over .260, 6 players with an OPS above .700 (and that group includes Thompson (4th round in 2015), Siena (14th round in 2015), Kaczmarski (9th round in 2015), Garcia (4th round in 2014), Mazeika 8th round in 2015 and Jeff Diehl (23rd rounder in 2011 (he only hit .234 but hit 9 homers with a decent walk rate to boost his OPS)
Couple things with Harvey  
Shecky : 3/20/2017 1:35 pm : link
1) his velocity will increase with time
2) he came out of school at 93-95, so this isn't uncharted territory for him
3) worst case scenario is this is an eye opening experience for the pitchers top to bottom in the franchise - and a focus on pitching over throwing becomes more important.
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DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 1:37 pm : link
Matt Ehalt‏ @MattEhalt 16s16 seconds ago
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Harvey yields a homer to left on 86-mph offering to James McCann.
Harvey  
DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 1:39 pm : link
giving up very hard contact this inning per Carig
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DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 1:40 pm : link
Chris McCosky‏ @cmccosky 3m3 minutes ago
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Tigers have hit Matt Harvey hard so far. James McCann pulled a hanging slider out onto the berm in LF. 1-0 Tigers. Moya just missed an HR
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DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 1:41 pm : link
Marc Carig‏Verified account @MarcCarig 17s17 seconds ago
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Matt Harvey, velo still low 90s, gives up a ground rule double. In left field, Tim Tebow couldn't chase it down.
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harvey should do extended ST with Wheeler  
spike : 3/20/2017 1:41 pm : link
in Florida, and let Lugo start the season in Queens
Spring Training  
TyreeHelmet : 3/20/2017 1:43 pm : link
Went to the Mets/ Cards game on Saturday in Jupiter. First experience attending a spring training game. Awesome atmosphere and highly recommend it. Will definitely go again next year.
Harvey  
DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 1:43 pm : link
2 innings 4 hits (HR/2b) 0 walks 3 k's
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DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 1:45 pm : link
James Wagner‏Verified account @ByJamesWagner 8s9 seconds ago
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Harvey through two innings: 40 pitches, three strikeouts, four hits allowed including a homer, 92-94 mph.
Sounds like  
sshin05 : 3/20/2017 1:45 pm : link
that he's not locating or his stuff is hittable. Maybe both.
There's little evidence  
Metnut : 3/20/2017 1:54 pm : link
so far to support the idea that Harvey can still pitch good at a velocity this low. It's possible that he learns how eventually but doesn't look to be there right now.

I think the Mets will take a long look at Lugo when he's back in camp.
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DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 1:59 pm : link
Marc Carig ✔ @MarcCarig
So, Harvey retires the Tigers in order. Humped up against Castellanos, fastball to 95 and 96.
Matt Harvey velo watch  
sshin05 : 3/20/2017 2:00 pm : link
Matt Ehalt 1m
Perfect third. Through 53.

Marc Carig
Board shows a 96 after that Harvey heater.
I  
DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 2:00 pm : link
personally don't give a shit about Tebow but Columbia is a good spot to not have him block anyone. He's not playing over Lindsay and outside of Cespedes I can't come up with another OF where I'd be furious he took time from them.
mets beat writers excitedly tweeting (i'm just guessing)  
sshin05 : 3/20/2017 2:01 pm : link
Mike Puma 2m
Harvey just went 95, 96, 95 with his last 3 pitches.
RE: I  
sshin05 : 3/20/2017 2:02 pm : link
In comment 13400084 DanMetroMan said:
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personally don't give a shit about Tebow but Columbia is a good spot to not have him block anyone. He's not playing over Lindsay and outside of Cespedes I can't come up with another OF where I'd be furious he took time from them.


First person (Lindsay) that came to mind. Tebow, if he has any talent at all, will be exposed here.
right on cue  
sshin05 : 3/20/2017 2:05 pm : link
Columbia Fireflies
While you're here... Head to https://t.co/nfb9i16ltI for tickets or call at 803-726-4487! #LetsGlow
lol  
sshin05 : 3/20/2017 2:07 pm : link
Amazin' Avenue 6m
LetsGlow rhymes with Tebow. The t-shirts basically print themselves.
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DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 2:13 pm : link
In comment 13400089 sshin05 said:
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In comment 13400084 DanMetroMan said:


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personally don't give a shit about Tebow but Columbia is a good spot to not have him block anyone. He's not playing over Lindsay and outside of Cespedes I can't come up with another OF where I'd be furious he took time from them.



First person (Lindsay) that came to mind. Tebow, if he has any talent at all, will be exposed here.


Lindsay is playing every day, not even the Mets could screw that up. Cespedes could potentially skip BK but I can't really come up with 3 OF's who are legit prospects who played in Kingsport/BK last year who Tebow would be blocking. JM Medina is sort of interesting but likely in BK. If you are "anti-Tebow" it's the best possible spot for him in my view.
RE: mets beat writers excitedly tweeting (i'm just guessing)  
Metnut : 3/20/2017 2:18 pm : link
In comment 13400085 sshin05 said:
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Mike Puma 2m
Harvey just went 95, 96, 95 with his last 3 pitches.


Well that's a whole different ballgame right there! Nice!
The  
DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 2:20 pm : link
Mets are extremely thin in minor league OF prospects


Nimmo, Becerra, R. Cespedes, Lindsay would be "the 4". Anyone beyond that would likely be a specialist type like Champ Stuart.
I wouldn't obsess over Harvey's velo  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/20/2017 2:22 pm : link
Two surgeries later, the 97-98mph Harvey may be gone. And that would hardly be the end of the world.
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DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 2:33 pm : link
vey: 4 1/3 innings, 7 hits, 3 runs all earned, 0 walks, 4 strikeouts and a homer. Runner on first is on him.
Very happy to see a 96 today...  
ZGiants98 : 3/20/2017 3:38 pm : link
If reports are true and medically he wont be fully recovered until May, I think we have to be happy with that.
Most positive sign this week  
Shecky : 3/20/2017 3:56 pm : link
This goes for Harvey as much as the others. This past week was a focus on off speed pitches and command. The hardest hit balls were not off prime fastballs. But instead the secondary pitches. Which were forced more than normal this week. So there is today's "glass half full".
95-96 for Matt is a win  
Torrag : 3/20/2017 5:03 pm : link
anyway you cut it.
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ZGiants98 : 3/20/2017 8:35 pm : link
Kristie Ackert ✔ @Ackert_NYDN
Harvey looked good Monday, #Mets cautiously optimistic.
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ZGiants98 : 3/20/2017 10:07 pm : link
MLB Pipeline ✔ @MLBPipeline
#Mets prospect T.J. Rivera swats a solo HR in his first AB to give Puerto Rico the lead in #WBC2017 semis.
Per  
DanMetroMan : 3/21/2017 9:11 am : link
MMO a Mets scout says Conforto "definitely" going to LV
RE: Per  
Shecky : 3/21/2017 9:22 am : link
In comment 13401085 DanMetroMan said:
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MMO a Mets scout says Conforto "definitely" going to LV

Been the very obvious plan from day one. Just wonder how written that is in stone with Nimmo being more questionable?
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DanMetroMan : 3/21/2017 9:28 am : link
In comment 13401100 Shecky said:
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MMO a Mets scout says Conforto "definitely" going to LV


Been the very obvious plan from day one. Just wonder how written that is in stone with Nimmo being more questionable?


I'm guessing they carry 4 OF's + "kinda sorta, maybe" OF in Reynolds, Kelly or Rivera.
Very interesting  
DanMetroMan : 3/21/2017 9:29 am : link
move by the White Sox. They locked up Tim Anderson for 6 years 25 million. It's a gamble given how unproven he is but potentially a major bargain.
Harsh article  
Metnut : 3/21/2017 9:40 am : link
here on the Mets handling of Conforto and the OF.


https://theringer.com/2017-mlb-preview-new-york-mets-outfield-logjam-michael-conforto-jay-bruce-8364747de3b#.8jp5zcqlu - ( New Window )
RE: Very interesting  
Shecky : 3/21/2017 10:32 am : link
In comment 13401111 DanMetroMan said:
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move by the White Sox. They locked up Tim Anderson for 6 years 25 million. It's a gamble given how unproven he is but potentially a major bargain.


Wish this organization was more of a believer in that philosophy.
Given how lost Conforto looked at the plate last season...  
Torrag : 3/21/2017 10:34 am : link
...it's dumb to kill the organization for starting him in LV given the roster constraints in the current situation. We all know what it is.
RE: Harsh article  
Shecky : 3/21/2017 10:38 am : link
In comment 13401130 Metnut said:
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here on the Mets handling of Conforto and the OF.
https://theringer.com/2017-mlb-preview-new-york-mets-outfield-logjam-michael-conforto-jay-bruce-8364747de3b#.8jp5zcqlu - ( New Window )


It's the cool thing to bash right now. Yet these would be the same people blasting the team if he struggled. Bottom line is it will help, not hinder him to go to Vegas in a relaxed atmosphere with no pressure to work on the small parts of his game. Ensuring he's ready, whenever that is. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
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DanMetroMan : 3/21/2017 10:42 am : link
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move by the White Sox. They locked up Tim Anderson for 6 years 25 million. It's a gamble given how unproven he is but potentially a major bargain.



Wish this organization was more of a believer in that philosophy.


Agreed 100%. Bet on your young talent.
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Metnut : 3/21/2017 10:56 am : link
In comment 13401237 Shecky said:
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here on the Mets handling of Conforto and the OF.
https://theringer.com/2017-mlb-preview-new-york-mets-outfield-logjam-michael-conforto-jay-bruce-8364747de3b#.8jp5zcqlu - ( New Window )



It's the cool thing to bash right now. Yet these would be the same people blasting the team if he struggled. Bottom line is it will help, not hinder him to go to Vegas in a relaxed atmosphere with no pressure to work on the small parts of his game. Ensuring he's ready, whenever that is. Hopefully sooner rather than later.


Fair enough.

I don't agree and think Conforto should be up here day one, but I see the other side of the thinking. Hopefully either Bruce plays better than expected or Conforto is promoted quickly and plays well.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 3/21/2017 11:04 am : link
big on Conforto but one could argue his spring wasn't good enough to win the job all things considered (meaning he had to overcome being behind Bruce). Yeah .356 is pretty but 1 walk, 10 k's over 45 ab's
RE: I'm  
Shecky : 3/21/2017 11:21 am : link
In comment 13401278 DanMetroMan said:
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big on Conforto but one could argue his spring wasn't good enough to win the job all things considered (meaning he had to overcome being behind Bruce). Yeah .356 is pretty but 1 walk, 10 k's over 45 ab's


His first week he was smoking hot. But even then he wasn't swinging "well". He's hitting about 270 since - hasn't blown anyone away. Still flaws.
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DanMetroMan : 3/21/2017 11:25 am : link
In comment 13401299 Shecky said:
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big on Conforto but one could argue his spring wasn't good enough to win the job all things considered (meaning he had to overcome being behind Bruce). Yeah .356 is pretty but 1 walk, 10 k's over 45 ab's



His first week he was smoking hot. But even then he wasn't swinging "well". He's hitting about 270 since - hasn't blown anyone away. Still flaws.


He's become far too pull happy. If anything some "blocked" time in LV might relax him a bit vs. trying to shock the world and beat out Bruce.
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DanMetroMan : 3/21/2017 11:44 am : link
Sobering Wright piece from Kernan. Described the pain when throwing as "shooting pain" and basically acknowledged he likely will not be "pain free" in the shoulder even if the rehab works.
Love seeing stuff like this  
pjcas18 : 3/21/2017 11:44 am : link
keeps the guy loose and helps build chemistry.

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Josh Smoker‏Verified account @Josh_Smoker 17h17 hours ago

Word to the wise. Don't Park in deGrom's spot, @KevinKaz4


PJ  
DanMetroMan : 3/21/2017 11:58 am : link
that's exactly why I found the complaints about the players being told no dressing up as woman as part of hazing going forward. Aren't there more original ways to do team building than POTENTIALLY insult woman/transgender people? Dressing as a woman is lame/played out.
Some cool Bruce stuff...  
ZGiants98 : 3/21/2017 8:49 pm : link
Bruce is one of the Mets most willing recipients of this data, along with Cespedes, Long said. So that Long can spend his time focusing on hitting mechanics, he leans on Roessler to examine hitting data with players.

When they spot something in the numbers, they decide whether to approach a player with it because, as Long put it, some are not ready to digest that much information.

Weve pointed out just a few things to Jay, and hes said he wants it all, Long said.

I appreciate information, Bruce said. I may not agree with it, but I at least want to know.

All this data has helped Bruce get a more vivid sense of what type of hitter he is and how best to maximize his skills. Bruce, who is left-handed, knows he is a power hitter he has averaged 27 home runs a year over nine seasons and the data overwhelmingly shows that balls in the air to the pull side are the best option for him.

And thats what I do the most, Bruce said. So why wouldnt I work on pulling the ball in the air with efficiency?

And consider this: Since Bruces debut season in 2008, only David Ortiz (41.1 percent) turned more fly balls hit to the pull side into home runs than did Bruce (40.4 percent), according to FanGraphs.com. Those results happen to run counter to the hitting instruction Bruce said he received when he was younger.

He said coaches told him to hit the ball to left field, which would perhaps lead to a higher average. But advanced metrics helped Bruce understand that was not his strength.

You have to recognize what your strong swing is, Bruce said. Listen, Im not going up there trying to yank the ball into the seats. Im trying to stay in the big part of the field. But my best swing is to right-center. So what balls can I hit to right-center?

To do that, Bruce looks at heat maps that show how hard he hits the ball, a statistic known as exit velocity, based on the area of the strike zone the pitch is in. He studies what pitches he has most often chased out of the strike zone. He also evaluates the path of his bat, known as launch angle, to see if he is producing the right amount of lift.

Theres absolutely nothing for you on the ground to the pull side, he said. Thats just death to the baseball. So what balls am I hitting there?

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Terry will never be my favorite manager...  
ZGiants98 : 3/21/2017 8:50 pm : link
but JFC am I happy we have Warthen, Long, and Sandy.
LOL..  
arcarsenal : 3/21/2017 9:37 pm : link
Anyone read this garbage article by Davidoff?
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RE: Love seeing stuff like this  
GF1080 : 3/21/2017 9:43 pm : link
In comment 13401360 pjcas18 said:
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keeps the guy loose and helps build chemistry.



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Josh Smoker‏Verified account @Josh_Smoker 17h17 hours ago

Word to the wise. Don't Park in deGrom's spot, @KevinKaz4





Dumb stuff. Why would he park there originally?
RE: LOL..  
ZGiants98 : 3/21/2017 11:11 pm : link
In comment 13402072 arcarsenal said:
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Anyone read this garbage article by Davidoff? Link - ( New Window )


Trash. Bryce Harper is hitting in spring training and some interesting bullpen pieces have emerged like Blanton? LOL

Just about everything has gone right for the Mets this spring outside of maybe Harvey's slow start and we seemed to have a ton of injury questions heading in. Duda is healthy and mashing. Walker is the best he's felt in a decade. deGrom is popping 97. Matz looks 100%. Cespedes is just as locked in as Harper has been. Almost everyone is hitting including Conforto and TDA. Familia might actually be suspended for LESS than 30 games. pfftt...
Cuts  
DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 9:16 am : link
Rowen, Taijeron, Cecchini, Reynolds, Goeddel


Reynolds is a mild surprise. Thought he might make the team. Paul Sewald's chances creeping up. Nice. #Mets
RE: RE: LOL..  
arcarsenal : 3/22/2017 10:11 am : link
In comment 13402136 ZGiants98 said:
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Anyone read this garbage article by Davidoff? Link - ( New Window )



Trash. Bryce Harper is hitting in spring training and some interesting bullpen pieces have emerged like Blanton? LOL

Just about everything has gone right for the Mets this spring outside of maybe Harvey's slow start and we seemed to have a ton of injury questions heading in. Duda is healthy and mashing. Walker is the best he's felt in a decade. deGrom is popping 97. Matz looks 100%. Cespedes is just as locked in as Harper has been. Almost everyone is hitting including Conforto and TDA. Familia might actually be suspended for LESS than 30 games. pfftt...


The best part is that he never actually mentions the Mets or explains why things are falling apart. He just outlines the absolute best case scenario from front to back for the Nationals. Terrible writing.
RE: Cuts  
Shecky : 3/22/2017 10:15 am : link
In comment 13402282 DanMetroMan said:
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Rowen, Taijeron, Cecchini, Reynolds, Goeddel


Reynolds is a mild surprise. Thought he might make the team. Paul Sewald's chances creeping up. Nice. #Mets


Surprised by Rowen, disappointed in Goeddel this spring. Safe to say they'd take a do over with Ynoa this winter.
Health  
DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 10:15 am : link
will dictate the NL East. Both teams are very talented. I think the Nationals are "better" on paper by a nose but it's very close. I'm still concerned with the Mets bullpen (not that the Nats pen looks incredible). Just wish we would have added 1 more decent arm (Blanton was cheap and gettable for one).
Goeddel  
DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 10:16 am : link
might be done. Not being cruel but his velocity this spring has been sub-MLB levels. Looks like they will carry 3 lefties
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arcarsenal : 3/22/2017 10:22 am : link
Yeah, it's going to be another tight race between the two teams. I just thought the article was garbage.

I am worried about the bullpen. Blanton would have been a really nice add but what's done is done. Just gotta hope our arms stay healthy this year
Mets have their  
pjcas18 : 3/22/2017 10:42 am : link
opening day lineup out there (sans SP) today.

Fascinating  
DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 10:56 am : link
read on Jay Bruce
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I think we're actually on TV today!  
arcarsenal : 3/22/2017 11:02 am : link
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RE: Fascinating  
Shecky : 3/22/2017 11:02 am : link
In comment 13402425 DanMetroMan said:
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read on Jay Bruce Link - ( New Window )

That's more a commentary on the Reds lack of belief of the use of analytics previously, than a commentary on Bruce's use of analytics.
2 random questions  
bhill410 : 3/22/2017 12:32 pm : link
Does anyone know if tom szapuki returned to pitching after he was pulled early in camp? And does anyone know how long conforto would have to remain in Vegas to get another year of control?
Looks like everyone wants to cash in on Tim Tebow  
Canton : 3/22/2017 1:07 pm : link
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If you like free food and watching Tim Tebow attempt to play baseball, the Greenville Drive may have the perfect promotion for you.

On Tuesday, the Boston Red Sox Class A affiliate tweeted that when Tebow's new team -- the Columbia Fireflies (the Mets' Class A affiliate) -- comes to town June 13-15, fans in attendance could win free Burger King Whoppers if the 29-year-old strikes out three times in a game during the series.
RE: 2 random questions  
pjcas18 : 3/22/2017 1:15 pm : link
In comment 13402637 bhill410 said:
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Does anyone know if tom szapuki returned to pitching after he was pulled early in camp? And does anyone know how long conforto would have to remain in Vegas to get another year of control?


Yes to #1, no idea to #2, I assumed once the clock starts ticking like I think it has for Conforto, going back to the minors doesn't stop it.
Gave up a run but got a DP...  
arcarsenal : 3/22/2017 1:16 pm : link
Bases clear, 2 outs.

Matz hit 97 on the gun before.
K's Ozuna looking  
arcarsenal : 3/22/2017 1:18 pm : link
97 again
Granderson just hit a BOMB.  
arcarsenal : 3/22/2017 1:27 pm : link
3-1
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DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 1:39 pm : link
As expected @Roseboom_36 expected to open the season with @LasVegas51s
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RE: K's Ozuna looking  
DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 1:48 pm : link
In comment 13402723 arcarsenal said:
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97 again


TV gun is hot per Carig. Still hit 95
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DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 1:52 pm : link
Marc Carig ✔ @MarcCarig
Matt den Dekker, Mets killer, with a two-run double. Homered twice last time here.
Bad outing for Matz.  
arcarsenal : 3/22/2017 1:54 pm : link
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Got it on in time to see Bruce  
Rob in Rockaway : 3/22/2017 3:09 pm : link
hit a BOMB. Wheeler in. Can't believe how long it's been since I've seen him actually pitch. He's at 93-94 right now.
Wheeler looks healthy  
Rob in Rockaway : 3/22/2017 3:23 pm : link
which of course is the far and away most important thing for him. FB touched 95 a few times and his breaking stuff has some bite to it. Results-wise, reminds me of when he first came up. Trouble putting guys away with 2 strikes, and also trouble throwing strikes.

Swinging bunt for a hit, 4 pitch walk, wild pitch, sac fly by Ozuna, hit Dietrich with a pitch (who made no attempt to move).
Wheeler  
DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 3:24 pm : link
belongs in extended (Harvey probably does too). If I were in charge I'd break camp with Lugo/Gsellman as the 4/5
If Lugo does well tonight against the US WBC team  
spike : 3/22/2017 3:27 pm : link
They need to seriously consider starting him
In Queens
RE: Wheeler  
Rob in Rockaway : 3/22/2017 3:40 pm : link
In comment 13402953 DanMetroMan said:
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belongs in extended (Harvey probably does too). If I were in charge I'd break camp with Lugo/Gsellman as the 4/5


I really don't want to see either one pitching in 45 degree weather in april in Flushing.
Have to love Ron Darling  
Rob in Rockaway : 3/22/2017 3:44 pm : link
he just commented that Wheeler is pitching right now with better stuff than Darling EVER had. So the question is, can he become a Pitcher?

Better inning for Wheeler despite one more BB.
Wheeler  
DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 3:46 pm : link
isn't ready to give a consistent 5-6-7 innings and the pen sans Familia will be heavily taxed every time he can't go 5-6. Let him figure it out in Florida.
TDA swing so much more compact  
Rob in Rockaway : 3/22/2017 3:52 pm : link
hopefully he makes the type of impact we all expected.
Mr Wheeler getting hit hard  
Rob in Rockaway : 3/22/2017 4:06 pm : link
here in his 3rd inning. 3 runs on 2 Hr's
After  
DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 4:28 pm : link
today no chance Wheeler is in the rotation to open the season.
Based on the cuts today...  
ZGiants98 : 3/22/2017 11:37 pm : link
TJ Rivera and Ty Kelly look like locks for the last two bench spots and the pen will have three of the following five:

Josh Edgin
Josh Smoker
Seth Lugo
Rafael Montero
Paul Sewald

Is it even possible to go any other way? I guess if Familia didnt get suspended at all it would only be two.
No way  
spike : 3/22/2017 11:53 pm : link
Lugo is going to the pen, so either AAA or ML rotation
RE: Based on the cuts today...  
DanMetroMan : 3/23/2017 9:09 am : link
In comment 13403510 ZGiants98 said:
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TJ Rivera and Ty Kelly look like locks for the last two bench spots and the pen will have three of the following five:

Josh Edgin
Josh Smoker
Seth Lugo
Rafael Montero
Paul Sewald

Is it even possible to go any other way? I guess if Familia didnt get suspended at all it would only be two.


Collins noted the lack of AA/AAA SP options (Ynoa decision even more curious). I'd be pretty blown away if Lugo is in the MLB pen opening day. Sure seems like it's Edgin, Smoker and one of Montero or Sewald.
Would it be the worst thing  
Metnut : 3/23/2017 9:18 am : link
in the world to use Lugo out of the pen (especially with Familia likely suspended)? Mets/Collins would need to be cognizant of not overusing him on back-to-back days, but he could be a nice option to pitch 2-3 innings a few times a week. He'd still be able to make a spot start if needed.

I guess it depends on his warmup routine and whether he'd be able to make the adjustment.
RE: Would it be the worst thing  
DanMetroMan : 3/23/2017 9:28 am : link
In comment 13403625 Metnut said:
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in the world to use Lugo out of the pen (especially with Familia likely suspended)? Mets/Collins would need to be cognizant of not overusing him on back-to-back days, but he could be a nice option to pitch 2-3 innings a few times a week. He'd still be able to make a spot start if needed.

I guess it depends on his warmup routine and whether he'd be able to make the adjustment.


Not at all a fan of such a move.

1. Collins can't be expected to baby Lugo. You can't expect a manager trying to win games also monitor "special" rules for certain guys. If Lugo is pitching well he's going to be heavily used (just like any other reliever). No way you can constrict TC "no back to backs" etc.

2. Lugo due to previous back issues has never pitched more than 137 innings in a season. Good luck getting him to "normal" starters innings if he's in the pen while Familia is out

3. Lugo still needs work. He's far from a finished product. For all of his positives he still walked 21 in 63 big league innings

4. You can't just take a 2 inning guy and expect him to randomly be able to give you "spot starts". 2 inning guys are warming up even in games they don't appear in. If he's a 2 inning guy, that's his role for the season (unless you are then sending him down to stretch out).
Fans  
DanMetroMan : 3/23/2017 9:31 am : link
get on managers for overusing relievers but outside of using your top guys in blowouts etc it's really silly. Managers use the best guys they have, they are trying to win games. Outside of end of the year innings caps stuff like not being able to use Lugo in back to backs, or 3-4 times in a given week (+ maybe 1-2 warm ups that you don't get into the game). It is an unfair expectation of a manager. You give him X tools, he uses them the to the best of his ability to win games.
Didn't the Yankees  
Metnut : 3/23/2017 9:32 am : link
always have Ramiro Mendoza as a sort of swing bullpen man who could make spot starts? Darren Oliver might've had a similar role for the Mets at some point?

Maybe the game is different today and maybe Lugo's back makes this an unrealistic option but I'd like to see our best players make the opening day roster if possible.
Look  
DanMetroMan : 3/23/2017 9:33 am : link
like we can cross off Nimmo for opening day. Ty Kelly lives again.
I guess #2 and #3 (from Dan's post)  
Metnut : 3/23/2017 9:35 am : link
are still maybe compelling arguments to not use him in the pen.
Lugo's back surgery lasted 10 hours wow.  
DanMetroMan : 3/23/2017 9:37 am : link
After a solid start to his career in his first season in the Mets' organization, Lugo quickly reached a wall. While working out in the winter, he felt what he thought was a back spasm while performing an ab-strengthening exercise. After several MRIs, Lugo was diagnosed with Spondylolisthesis which occurs after a displacement of a vertebra in the spine.

To mend it, he had to undergo a lumbar fusion and a surgery that lasted nearly 10 hours, he says. Though doctors had warned him that there was a chance he might not pitch again, only as he approached the procedure did he realize the severity of what he was about to endure.

"Whoa. Hold on, I don't know if I want to do this," Lugo says of his thoughts as he sat with doctors before the surgery. "They kind of just reassured me it was a precaution they have to tell everyone. But that was the only time it really hit me that, whoa, this is a lot more serious than I thought."

The injury took out his entire 2012 season. For three months he could barely move at all, resigned to bed rest.
Id almost Lugo  
Metnut : 3/23/2017 9:37 am : link
rather go to AA than AAA. Didn't he say that he wasn't able to throw his secondary stuff in Vegas due to the air composition there and only started throwing after getting called up to the Mets? Can't see how Vegas AAA will help his development.
RE: Didn't the Yankees  
DanMetroMan : 3/23/2017 9:43 am : link
In comment 13403634 Metnut said:
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always have Ramiro Mendoza as a sort of swing bullpen man who could make spot starts? Darren Oliver might've had a similar role for the Mets at some point?

Maybe the game is different today and maybe Lugo's back makes this an unrealistic option but I'd like to see our best players make the opening day roster if possible.


Ramiro Mendoza in 1997 made 15 starts. He opened the season in the Yankees rotation and made 11 of these starts out of his first 17 appearances. He was essentially a SP who also made a few relief appearances that season. Because he began the season as a SP it was easy to have him make a few multi inning relief appearances. 1998 was much of the same. Opened the season in the Yankees rotation first 13 appearances, 11 starts
RE: Id almost Lugo  
DanMetroMan : 3/23/2017 9:44 am : link
In comment 13403643 Metnut said:
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rather go to AA than AAA. Didn't he say that he wasn't able to throw his secondary stuff in Vegas due to the air composition there and only started throwing after getting called up to the Mets? Can't see how Vegas AAA will help his development.


His own mother said he lost his CB at one point last season. I absolutely despise LV but it hasn't exactly retarded the development of our young SP. If you are good you will survive.
Just  
DanMetroMan : 3/23/2017 9:46 am : link
a final note on Mendoza. 1998 his first 13 appearances he averaged 5.5 innings per appearance (11 starts). 1997 first 17 appearances 11 starts, 4.4 innings per appearance. Moving guys from the rotation to the bullpen as the season drags on is pretty common, moving guys in-season from the BP to rotation without being sent down is very unusual nowadays.
Sounds  
DanMetroMan : 3/23/2017 9:47 am : link
like best case for Nimmo is about a week away from being in games.
Ty Kelly is a fine 25th man  
spike : 3/23/2017 12:19 pm : link
He plays If and Of and he can draw a walk to lengthen an inning
Fangraphs on the Mets RF situation  
Metnut : 3/23/2017 12:34 pm : link
"I will admit to having fact-checked my colleague who handles the Mets depth chart because, on its face, giving this much time to Jay Bruce when you have Michael Conforto is a little bewildering. Now maybe its as simple as the Mets figuring they should see what Bruce can offer before making any irreversible roster move. Maybe its as simple as Terry Collins liking how 33 homers and 99 RBI look on Bruces baseball card. Maybe its as simple as Bruces wRC+ in 2016 being better than Confortos.

Yet it seems like an honest accounting of the situation would tell you not to put too much stock in Bruces good 2016 first half compared to his broader body of work. There are plenty of worlds in which Bruce has a better year than Conforto, but Conforto is a young player on the rise who projects better than Bruce this year. And thats before you get to the matter of defense, where the numbers and the eye test tell you Conforto brings more to the table. Its a rough tool, but if you just prorate our ZiPS/Steamer blend over 600 PA, Conforto beats him at the plate and outpaces him by more than two wins of value."
Speaking of FG (timely from Dave Cameron)  
DanMetroMan : 3/23/2017 12:37 pm : link
The Tone: Given the Mets predicament of having more than 5 quality options for the starting rotation out of spring training do you think, assuming Gsellman is the 5th starter, it is both viable and a good idea to have Seth Lugo serve as a multi-inning reliever/piggyback starter for the first part of the season as opposed to just staying stretched out and burning innings in AAA waiting for someone to go down? Hes looked good in the WBC, and that fastball and super-spin curve should play up in shorter outings (which I think was borne out in his peripherals in relief last year).
12:06
Dave Cameron: Id probably keep him stretched out to start, even if that means he hangs out in AAA for a bit. The odds of that staff staying healthy all year is basically 0%.
If  
DanMetroMan : 3/23/2017 12:40 pm : link
this wasn't a joke, Bill Simmons comes off as such a tool
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Lol nice dan,  
Metnut : 3/23/2017 12:40 pm : link
basically the same exact question I posted this morning.

Hopefully Harvey can keep on improving so we head to opening day with 5 nice starters.
.  
DanMetroMan : 3/23/2017 5:13 pm : link
Per TC-So Gsellman is in the rotation, Harvey is in the rotation and Nimmo will open on the DL #Mets
Admittedly  
DanMetroMan : 3/23/2017 5:14 pm : link
TC simply raved about Gsellman and said the WBC wouldn't impact the Mets rotation so he didn't flat out say Gsellman made it but.... he also said Nimmo "isn't close". DL is my guess.
For those that missed it today  
Shecky : 3/23/2017 8:25 pm : link
Cabrera getting tossed today was hysterical. But him and Walker definitely broke up the monotony and got a little bit more respect from their teammates today.
Loved how Droobs took his sweet time walking off the field.  
arcarsenal : 3/23/2017 8:31 pm : link
LOL
Angel Hernandez  
PhiPsi125 : 3/23/2017 9:23 pm : link
Still a dick of an umpire. There aren't many, if any, umpires I have a problem with. But that guy is a special one.
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