would suck but they definitely have a need for him. Colts were the 8th worst run team last year in terms of yards given up per game and 3rd worst in YPC given up
this is what i've been expecting to happen. i think he has the most value to a 34 team at NT. let him get as big as he wants and just eat blocks at the LOS.
i'm surprised he hasn't gotten a good offer in this role but we'll see what the colts do
but if Hankins signs with Indy....wonder if Giants get more serious about making a trade for Joe Thomas. I realize, its highly unlikely, but the cap space would be there for him; and they wouldn't have to use a draft pick on an offensive lineman.
but if Hankins signs with Indy....wonder if Giants get more serious about making a trade for Joe Thomas. I realize, its highly unlikely, but the cap space would be there for him; and they wouldn't have to use a draft pick on an offensive lineman.
Would then use a high pick (1st or 2nd round) on a DT....maybe 3rd round.
is making a mistake if they think he can be a headline interior DL presence. Hankins is a decent complimentary guy, but not someone you want controlling both A gaps.
If they pay him, open the door and pat him on the back on the way out, But this could create some more urgency to draft a DT early.
this is what i've been expecting to happen. i think he has the most value to a 34 team at NT. let him get as big as he wants and just eat blocks at the LOS.
i'm surprised he hasn't gotten a good offer in this role but we'll see what the colts do
So you thought his signing with a 3-4 team was eminence? Good job!
Ideally I would like to see Hankins return if at all possible, but I certainly understand the business of things.
If Hankins did sign with another team, we simply need to adjust, we will have a chunk of cash to work with.
DT is reasonably deep in the draft, so we can add talent to work with. We may even consider something from left field such as making a trade offer for Sheldon Richardson
Considering our other free agency activity, it would be reasonable to expect some kind of compensation pick for Hankins.
proven players. Agreed he's not great, but he's better than Bromley and he's better than an unproven rookie or street free agent. It's not my money so I don't care what they pay him, I just want a winning team this year. Not three years from now.
proven players. Agreed he's not great, but he's better than Bromley and he's better than an unproven rookie or street free agent. It's not my money so I don't care what they pay him, I just want a winning team this year. Not three years from now.
$$$. It's not your money but it goes against the cap and if he's at $10mm and we are at $6.5mm then it isn't even close to the same ballpark. You have to respect what the Giants are doing, they extended an offer and aren't getting strong armed into making a move they aren't completely comfortable with. I'm glad I root for this team.
but if someone's willing to pay him more than what the Giants are standing firm with, then see ya. This defense will be fine with or without Hankins. His agent seem to have played himself, as well.
Who can blame him for maximizing his earnings? I still believe he signs with the Giants but I don't fault him for wanting the money.
I am not blaming him for trying to maximize his earnings but he cannot blame the Giants if they pull their offer. Personally, I want players that want to be here. At this point what is he arguing over? An extra half a million? An extra year? He is obviously looking for a better situation than what the Giants are offering. So, with that, I pull my offer.
EA said long ago that he learned very early that you don't let a player leave the building with an open offer.
we do know he wants to get paid more than the offers he got. I see no problem with what he's doing (outside of the botch job by his agent), this may be his only shot at a lifechanging payday and I completely understand maximizing that opportunity.
I'm good with whatever the Giants do as well, if they won't budge to his demands, so be it.
we do know he wants to get paid more than the offers he got. I see no problem with what he's doing (outside of the botch job by his agent), this may be his only shot at a lifechanging payday and I completely understand maximizing that opportunity.
I'm good with whatever the Giants do as well, if they won't budge to his demands, so be it.
Once again, what is he looking for? Anything now is going to be insignificant in terms of a difference in terms. Nothing has changed. Indy didn't just all of a sudden win the lottery and are going to go on a spending spree. Imo, if he wanted to be here he would have signed already when the Giants had the best offer out there. If he wants to nickel and dime his way to a bigger contract then fine. That is his choice. And, once again, if I was the Giants it would be my choice to take the offer off of the table.
So did Marshall.
Not that quitting on a team is acceptable, but those last few games far more guys mailed it in than went all out. Understandably.
That said, at #23 in this draft, an almost MW could be there,and much cheaper, if the draft falls right.
And then theres Odrick.
I don't think he "wants to be here" any more or less than the next guy
But any fan that thinks loyalty to laundry overcomes money is living in candy land. There's no such player in the league.
I don't get how you guys are twisting this. I am not saying He should sign here at a discount. What I am saying is we have had the best offer on the table for awhile now. Expecially, with the way FA is structured now where teams can contact a player's agent prior to the actual signing period. Top FAs sign quickly. This has dragged on for what? Seriously, answer the question.
When I say if he wanted to be here he would have signed already it is because we have had the best offer on the table for awhile. It is a combination of wanting to be here and th3 money. Imo, he isn't even close to worth the amount he thinks he is. Imo, I would rather use the money that is on the table elsewhere. Remember, any money not used this year can be carried over to the next year. If that helps us resign Pugh and Richburg or Beckham or whoever then that makes way more sense to me than spending $6+ million on a guy who severely underachieved in a contract year with an all-pro supporting cast at DL and arguably the best secondary behind him.
RE: RE: We don't know that he doesn't want to be here
we do know he wants to get paid more than the offers he got. I see no problem with what he's doing (outside of the botch job by his agent), this may be his only shot at a lifechanging payday and I completely understand maximizing that opportunity.
I'm good with whatever the Giants do as well, if they won't budge to his demands, so be it.
Once again, what is he looking for? Anything now is going to be insignificant in terms of a difference in terms. Nothing has changed. Indy didn't just all of a sudden win the lottery and are going to go on a spending spree. Imo, if he wanted to be here he would have signed already when the Giants had the best offer out there. If he wants to nickel and dime his way to a bigger contract then fine. That is his choice. And, once again, if I was the Giants it would be my choice to take the offer off of the table.
Too many assumptions for me, neither of us know what he wants and we certainly don't know if its a big gap. If we offered the reported 7 and he wants 10, that isn't insignificant.
RE: RE: RE: We don't know that he doesn't want to be here
we do know he wants to get paid more than the offers he got. I see no problem with what he's doing (outside of the botch job by his agent), this may be his only shot at a lifechanging payday and I completely understand maximizing that opportunity.
I'm good with whatever the Giants do as well, if they won't budge to his demands, so be it.
Once again, what is he looking for? Anything now is going to be insignificant in terms of a difference in terms. Nothing has changed. Indy didn't just all of a sudden win the lottery and are going to go on a spending spree. Imo, if he wanted to be here he would have signed already when the Giants had the best offer out there. If he wants to nickel and dime his way to a bigger contract then fine. That is his choice. And, once again, if I was the Giants it would be my choice to take the offer off of the table.
Too many assumptions for me, neither of us know what he wants and we certainly don't know if its a big gap. If we offered the reported 7 and he wants 10, that isn't insignificant.
It doesn't matter what he wants at this point in time. The NFL has spoken.
and if the Giants think they can afford him, who am i to argue with that. At least its on a player I believe is good player and a good person/teammate. Young player with a lot of upside.
However, I do see the other side of it, those CAP dollars can be used to resign Pugh, Richburg, Fluker, etc....
I'm good with whatever happens. And I have no problem with how anyone has handled the situation. Well maybe except some on BBI, but they don't really count now do they.
because Hank is still testing the waters and trying to squeeze every last dollar out his market value. Like the guy somehow owes us something.
If some team now suddenly find the cap room to make him a better offer than ours, then he and his agent come out of this looking like geniuses. And still, people around here would talk like Hank betrayed us.
i'm surprised he hasn't gotten a good offer in this role but we'll see what the colts do
4/11/17, 4:20 PM
Source: DT Johnathan Hankins visited the Colts today. Arguably the top free agent still available.
Would then use a high pick (1st or 2nd round) on a DT....maybe 3rd round.
If they pay him, open the door and pat him on the back on the way out, But this could create some more urgency to draft a DT early.
i'm surprised he hasn't gotten a good offer in this role but we'll see what the colts do
So you thought his signing with a 3-4 team was eminence? Good job!
and yes I'd trade a 1st rounder for him
Makes sense for them
If Hankins did sign with another team, we simply need to adjust, we will have a chunk of cash to work with.
DT is reasonably deep in the draft, so we can add talent to work with. We may even consider something from left field such as making a trade offer for Sheldon Richardson
Considering our other free agency activity, it would be reasonable to expect some kind of compensation pick for Hankins.
It was always a 3 team race with Giants, Dolphins and Colts.
A visit here to Colts does not bode well for him re-signing with the Giants.
$$$. It's not your money but it goes against the cap and if he's at $10mm and we are at $6.5mm then it isn't even close to the same ballpark. You have to respect what the Giants are doing, they extended an offer and aren't getting strong armed into making a move they aren't completely comfortable with. I'm glad I root for this team.
and yes I'd trade a 1st rounder for him
No thanks. After he got paid. He started not taking care of himself. Overweight
Hopefully they see something there with Thomas. Did anyone have commentary on his performance in a BBI thread of note?
I am not blaming him for trying to maximize his earnings but he cannot blame the Giants if they pull their offer. Personally, I want players that want to be here. At this point what is he arguing over? An extra half a million? An extra year? He is obviously looking for a better situation than what the Giants are offering. So, with that, I pull my offer.
EA said long ago that he learned very early that you don't let a player leave the building with an open offer.
I'm good with whatever the Giants do as well, if they won't budge to his demands, so be it.
I'm good with whatever the Giants do as well, if they won't budge to his demands, so be it.
Once again, what is he looking for? Anything now is going to be insignificant in terms of a difference in terms. Nothing has changed. Indy didn't just all of a sudden win the lottery and are going to go on a spending spree. Imo, if he wanted to be here he would have signed already when the Giants had the best offer out there. If he wants to nickel and dime his way to a bigger contract then fine. That is his choice. And, once again, if I was the Giants it would be my choice to take the offer off of the table.
The big name guys we signed were cut.
Not that quitting on a team is acceptable, but those last few games far more guys mailed it in than went all out. Understandably.
That said, at #23 in this draft, an almost MW could be there,and much cheaper, if the draft falls right.
And then theres Odrick.
I don't get how you guys are twisting this. I am not saying He should sign here at a discount. What I am saying is we have had the best offer on the table for awhile now. Expecially, with the way FA is structured now where teams can contact a player's agent prior to the actual signing period. Top FAs sign quickly. This has dragged on for what? Seriously, answer the question.
When I say if he wanted to be here he would have signed already it is because we have had the best offer on the table for awhile. It is a combination of wanting to be here and th3 money. Imo, he isn't even close to worth the amount he thinks he is. Imo, I would rather use the money that is on the table elsewhere. Remember, any money not used this year can be carried over to the next year. If that helps us resign Pugh and Richburg or Beckham or whoever then that makes way more sense to me than spending $6+ million on a guy who severely underachieved in a contract year with an all-pro supporting cast at DL and arguably the best secondary behind him.
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we do know he wants to get paid more than the offers he got. I see no problem with what he's doing (outside of the botch job by his agent), this may be his only shot at a lifechanging payday and I completely understand maximizing that opportunity.
I'm good with whatever the Giants do as well, if they won't budge to his demands, so be it.
Once again, what is he looking for? Anything now is going to be insignificant in terms of a difference in terms. Nothing has changed. Indy didn't just all of a sudden win the lottery and are going to go on a spending spree. Imo, if he wanted to be here he would have signed already when the Giants had the best offer out there. If he wants to nickel and dime his way to a bigger contract then fine. That is his choice. And, once again, if I was the Giants it would be my choice to take the offer off of the table.
Too many assumptions for me, neither of us know what he wants and we certainly don't know if its a big gap. If we offered the reported 7 and he wants 10, that isn't insignificant.
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we do know he wants to get paid more than the offers he got. I see no problem with what he's doing (outside of the botch job by his agent), this may be his only shot at a lifechanging payday and I completely understand maximizing that opportunity.
I'm good with whatever the Giants do as well, if they won't budge to his demands, so be it.
Once again, what is he looking for? Anything now is going to be insignificant in terms of a difference in terms. Nothing has changed. Indy didn't just all of a sudden win the lottery and are going to go on a spending spree. Imo, if he wanted to be here he would have signed already when the Giants had the best offer out there. If he wants to nickel and dime his way to a bigger contract then fine. That is his choice. And, once again, if I was the Giants it would be my choice to take the offer off of the table.
Too many assumptions for me, neither of us know what he wants and we certainly don't know if its a big gap. If we offered the reported 7 and he wants 10, that isn't insignificant.
It doesn't matter what he wants at this point in time. The NFL has spoken.
However, I do see the other side of it, those CAP dollars can be used to resign Pugh, Richburg, Fluker, etc....
I'm good with whatever happens. And I have no problem with how anyone has handled the situation. Well maybe except some on BBI, but they don't really count now do they.
If some team now suddenly find the cap room to make him a better offer than ours, then he and his agent come out of this looking like geniuses. And still, people around here would talk like Hank betrayed us.
It makes a lot of sense for the Colts to be interested in Hankins and he has our standing offer to benchmark against
This is a business decision, I completely understand Hankins wanting the best deal he can get and this how the business side of things plays out.
It is likely that other teams will offer more money than we can for Hankins.
Who's with me?