4 years, $28M. Right in line with what I was hearing of $6-7M. And yes, I heard $15M per year asking price as well at start of FA. #Giants
This is Raanan responding to the new info on the Hankins contract offer. I thought this deserved it's own thread.
That is an insane contract demand!
The plus side is we'll probably get him back on a team-friendly deal.
Thats from Cool Runnings.
Oh really? From who?
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Thats from Cool Runnings.
Yep.
His agent is ridiculous.
The market will show him otherwise, and he'll come to the realization that he won't be making Edge Rusher money anytime soon. Still, I'll bet he's signed soon enough by someone willing to shell out about 13% more than the Giants: I'm guessing he'll get some team to bite for 4 x $8,000,000, which will seem like a bargain after they've heard the initial figure of $15mil.
And that, by the way, is precisely Poston's strategy here. Start obscenely high and negotiate down to a figure that's still absolutely ridiculous, but seemingly a steal because it's so much lower than what it might've been. It seems crazy, but it'll probably work in the end.
Oh, and for all the shit that Poston's getting for this stupidly outrageous demand of $15,000,000, Hankins deserves an equal amount of grief. It's not like his agent is doing all this on the sly without the client's knowledge: Hanky knows what's going on, and Hanky's all in.
The market will show him otherwise, and he'll come to the realization that he won't be making Edge Rusher money anytime soon. Still, I'll bet he's signed soon enough by someone willing to shell out about 13% more than the Giants: I'm guessing he'll get some team to bite for 4 x $8,000,000, which will seem like a bargain after they've heard the initial figure of $15mil.
And that, by the way, is precisely Poston's strategy here. Start obscenely high and negotiate down to a figure that's still absolutely ridiculous, but seemingly a steal because it's so much lower than what it might've been. It seems crazy, but it'll probably work in the end.
Oh, and for all the shit that Poston's getting for this stupidly outrageous demand of $15,000,000, Hankins deserves an equal amount of grief. It's not like his agent is doing all this on the sly without the client's knowledge: Hanky knows what's going on, and Hanky's all in.
The problem with this theory is that nobody has offered him anything near what we have and I am pretty sure everybody knew we were around $6+ million per year so what has changed? Poe got a one year $8 million deal. He was supposedly more desirable than Hankins. Everybody keeps pointing to his age. Teams pay for production and he is lacking in that department. Yes, the age is a bonus but is a small factor compared to production. The NFL has already spoken. In fact, the Giants could look a little crazy for keeping that offer out there when he has only had one other team interested in him and that is as a backup.
This is bigger than Hankins now. This negotiation is quite public. Other agents will see this and see how the Giants handle it. It could be a positive or a negative. Everybody knows that the Giants want Hankins back and he has kind of held us hostage in a way. Now, you can say that maybe we are done with FA but we do not know that. Maybe we sign another DT like Odrick or Marks and maybe add another RB like Blount. If the Giants put their foot down then that could have a better outcome for future negotiations. When was the last tike the Giants had an open offer to a FA amd allowed them to shop it around? The last one I remember is a FA when EA was the GM and he swore never to do that again. Either you take the deal now or it is off the table. That was his approach and kt wprked out much better long term.
I think the Plax situation is the closest I can think of but that is not on this level.
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as asymmetrical (contentious?) as this? This seems ridiculous beyond anything I can remember...
I think the Plax situation is the closest I can think of but that is not on this level.
Then I'm in line with your thinking. There's no need for this drama over a #2 DT. It is holding us hostage and opens us up to future shit where it really matters (e.g. Odell, Collins, et al.). What makes Hanks the exception? Even JPP didn't bust our FO's balls like this, and many of us were annoyed with how that shook out for a little while...
It's sad because of how stupid it is. He had a good deal in place on the team that drafted him which is poised to make a playoff of even super bowl run. Ugh.
Asking for JPP and Vernon money? Asking for 6 mill more per year than Snacks money?
Whatever dude.
Holding out for it and sitting on a market value contract for a couple months is more the issue here.
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Each got $8 million, with $7,500,00 and $7,680,00 guaranteed, respectively. If Hankins is looking for something similar from the Giants, I expect he's going to be disappointed.
I can't imagine the Giants offered Hank anything close to the 5-year, $52 million dollar deal ($33,750,000 guaranteed) that Brandon Williams signed, and obviously no other team offered anything close to that, either. If Hankins and his agents thought they'd get a similar deal, they should have known very quickly that it wasn't happening.
Four years, at $7 million per year is exactly what Nick Fairley got from the Saints ($14 million guaranteed). Now, Hankins is four years younger than Fairley, and you could argue that he's been the more productive player and should be worth a richer contract, but, again, it doesn't seem like the Giants or anyone else thought so.
As Eric said in another thread, it's just weird.
That being said after the market was set, you have to get down to market value and this years crop of DTs weren't making close to that.
But if those numbers are correct his agent is doing him a disservice and is delusional. I like Hank and think he will continue to improve on this line with Snacks next to him. Any team that would even consider him for close to that kind of money is nuts.
If he and his agent hold to this I wish the guy luck and the Giants should just pull the offer on the table if that’s the case.
That being said after the market was set, you have to get down to market value and this years crop of DTs weren't making close to that.
What offensive linemen have signed for $15 million per year?
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I think that is the situation that Hank is in. His agent is telling him how wonderful he is and Hank looks in the mirror and sees Snacks, when no one else in the NFL does.
Different positions make different money in the NFL and you also have to factor in supply vs demand.
I think that is the situation that Hank is in. His agent is telling him how wonderful he is and Hank looks in the mirror and sees Snacks, when no one else in the NFL does.
I cannot blame his agent because the agent works for the player and if the player isn't smart enough to realize that then he deserves what he gets. Everybody keeps throwing blame at the Postons. Why? Hankins was the one that hired them. Hankins is the one who is still employing them. Hankins is the one whose reputation is on the line.
But it is still up to Hankins here. He knew going into this thing what their plan was. If he signed off on it then it is his problem. Also, these clowns for agents have a horrible reputation around the NFL. He should have done his research. No matter which way you slice it it comes back to Hankins. The old saying of if someone else you knew jumped off a bridge would you? Almost every kid is going to give a sarcastic no to that answer. Just because these agents have a horrible idea/plan doesn't mean Hankins is some poor weak-minded person that has to go along with it.
Look at the Plax situation. If I remember this correctly he was moving slower than every other FA. He scheduled a visit with us and we couldn't agree on a contract with his agent. EA told him if he left then the offer was off the table. Plax left without a deal and then fired his agent and agreed to terms shortly after that. At some point the player has to realize the agent works for them and not the other way around which, unfortunately, a lot of athletes don't seem to realize.
The team that knows him best is only offering him X -- why would we break the bank for him when his own team won't?
That's working against him too.
I still believe he'll be back at the last possible moment when all his time and options have run out. And I think the Giants would like to have him back, but they are obviously fine with the idea letting him walk if somebody beats their offer. He's a good player but the least important guy on the DL. Bromley or whoever could certainly hold the fort there if need be.
The Giants overpaid a ton for JPP because they had no better options available and couldn't replace what he brings. That just isn't the case with Hankins.
I don't think this is click bait being that it wasn't a story and he was responding to a question on Twitter.
Big guys hate camp.
Big guys hate camp.
I don't think so, not when you are young and trying to land a big contract. That's usually what vets do.
Every day Hankins waits he risks a lower offer.
I hope the rest of the NFL has taken note. This entire situation has been an absolute joke from day one. I honestly can't remember another situation where an agency has done such a horrific job representing it's client.
We gave JPP "Vernon-money" this year because he basically matched or exceeded Vernon when on the field last year.
Hankins/his agent believe he deserves "Snacks money", problem is that Snacks was CLEARLY a better player last year making any sort of JPP analogy a weak argument.
We gave JPP "Vernon-money" this year because he basically matched or exceeded Vernon when on the field last year.
Hankins/his agent believe he deserves "Snacks money", problem is that Snacks was CLEARLY a better player last year making any sort of JPP analogy a weak argument.
How is $15m/y "Snacks money." Snack's contract was $9.5m/y.
Yeah, it's the team that's the bad guy here, not the player who, along with his agents, completely misread the market and ridiculously overestimated his own worth. It's the team, who put a fair offer on the table weeks ago, not the player and his agents, who've shown a marked inability to bargain in good faith.
As Mr. Williams once said to Han, "Man, you come right out of a comic book."
The market will show him otherwise, and he'll come to the realization that he won't be making Edge Rusher money anytime soon. Still, I'll bet he's signed soon enough by someone willing to shell out about 13% more than the Giants: I'm guessing he'll get some team to bite for 4 x $8,000,000, which will seem like a bargain after they've heard the initial figure of $15mil.
And that, by the way, is precisely Poston's strategy here. Start obscenely high and negotiate down to a figure that's still absolutely ridiculous, but seemingly a steal because it's so much lower than what it might've been. It seems crazy, but it'll probably work in the end.
Oh, and for all the shit that Poston's getting for this stupidly outrageous demand of $15,000,000, Hankins deserves an equal amount of grief. It's not like his agent is doing all this on the sly without the client's knowledge: Hanky knows what's going on, and Hanky's all in.
Don't be so sure that the 4 year 28 mil dollar offer is still on the table. I specifically heard it was pulled at some point. Who knows maybe it is back in play but I had heard 2 for 7-8 per.
I would guess that if it does get done it's maybe 3 for 20-22 or so.
I seriously doubt, the agent was asking for 15M per, even as a starting point....
The agent got his man what he wanted, 10M per, which is more than Harrison....
So everyone saying he was only worth 6-7M, it means nothing when it comes to FAcy....you always overpay in FAcy, if you really want someone....Hell, was Vernon worth 29M last year?
And we'll move along fine..