The more I watch Garcia, the more he looks to be in the mix for the GMen in the second round.
His hand usage is really good, meets blockers away from his body but has a tendency to grab, at times. I think that he can be coached up.
Has NFL size, with height and length. Weight wise, his frame appears lean when you watch tape. At 6'6", I think his frame can support extra weight.
Plays right through the whistle, never takes a play off and finishes his blocks.
Plays with excellent balance and great kick step. His pass protection looks the part. Although his run blocking needs work, he is athletic and mean enough to get the job done.
This OT class is suspect to me. Bolles looks maxed out to me at 297 and is 25. Ramcyzk has the hip issue. Moton projects to the right side as an RG or RT. Robinson looks like Flowers, part deux.
Garcia is a work in progress, but he checks off a lot of boxes for me. Check him out here against Clemson last year. This kid held his own nicely.
Antonio Garcia vs Clemson 2016 - (
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Exactly, Ira. Eli needs to be standing up in order for us to win. The bulk and run blocking will come in time. I don't think Garcia makes it out of the second round.
I'm not buying into the one-liners that people use to dismiss perfectly legitimate first round prospects at OT simply because they aren't sexy choices. I like Garcia, too, but it's iffy whether or not he lasts until the 55th pick. If the Giants have an OT as BPA when they are on the clock with the 23rd pick they had better pounce because they aren't likely to get another shot at one.
If you watch Alabama games it becomes aparent that Robinson has difficulties with speed edge rushers. His initial set up is quick, but, he looks slow out of his set up. This causes him to reach and he appears off balance.
I was watching vidoes of Derek Barnett when I saw him
play against Robinson.
He beat him handily. In some cases he was untouched. Then I watched Garrett have sucess against Robinson.
These are very good players, but, this is NFL caliber competition.
Robimson was very good when he drove block in running plays.
He looks like a guard, maybe a right tackle. I think that it is a stretch to project Robinson as a left tackle.
If you watch Alabama games it becomes aparent that Robinson has difficulties with speed edge rushers. His initial set up is quick, but, he looks slow out of his set up. This causes him to reach and he appears off balance.
I was watching vidoes of Derek Barnett when I saw him
play against Robinson.
He beat him handily. In some cases he was untouched. Then I watched Garrett have sucess against Robinson.
These are very good players, but, this is NFL caliber competition.
Robimson was very good when he drove block in running plays.
He looks like a guard, maybe a right tackle. I think that it is a stretch to project Robinson as a left tackle.
Myles Garrett vs Cam Robinson - ( New Window )
I'm not buying into the one-liners that people use to dismiss perfectly legitimate first round prospects at OT simply because they aren't sexy choices. I like Garcia, too, but it's iffy whether or not he lasts until the 55th pick. If the Giants have an OT as BPA when they are on the clock with the 23rd pick they had better pounce because they aren't likely to get another shot at one.
Looks like you have a lil man crush on Robinson, Milton. I didn't have time to go into all the things I believe are wrong with all these OTs. Like RR is a one year wonder besides the bad hip. Bolles past with gangs is an issue for me besides the fact that that he is 25 and maxed out weightwise. Moton has motivational issues on top of projecting as a guard.
My'one liners' were synopses.
And just because we reached and fucked up the 9th pick when we took Flowers doesn't mean we should do the same with his virtual clone in Robinson.
Juss sayin'.
Path to the Draft--Cam Robinson - ( New Window )
Fluker and/or Hart, if you are realistic, are unlikely to be beaten out at RT in 2017 by any of the names bandied about.
So personally, I would prefer a non-1st round pick as a one year developmental project.
Those who ignore the tempering of bpa with need approach have only to look at the Jets situation at 3-4 DE where it appears their scouts did a great job identifying bpa, but their management now has a misallocation of scarce resources problem on its hands.
The hip is a different story. It was labelled an impingement, so perhaps he just needed the labrum shaved down a bit, and there's no pre-arthritic condition there. The docs will make that call. Again, if it's not a long term issue, it's not a problem.
It's likely IMV that these OL are going to be drafted higher than they deserve, and if the Giants take an OL at 23 it will be a reach for position.
That is what many of us are against, reaching for position. It's not that we think they are all terrible prospects.
He doesn't move his feet well when pass blocking which causes him to get beat sometimes off the edge or on inside moves.
If he can get better with his feet you've got a pro-bowl caliber LT. If not, I still think you've got a top tier guard and possible RT.
That being said, I get the impression that the draft flattens out from about #15 to #60 (I think it was Gil Brandt who said there is a top 12 and then it's flat all the way to 55). Which means the Giants will get much better bang for their buck with their 2nd round pick than they do with their 1st, but with their first pick they have a shot at their "personal favorite" or one for whom they have a specific plan.
Also, it's with the 55th pick that the Giants are most likely to get what they consider a steal. Some DB or ER for whom they had a very high grade on that slipped through the cracks.
2nd: OT Antonio Garcia
And just because we reached and fucked up the 9th pick when we took Flowers doesn't mean we should do the same with his virtual clone in Robinson. Juss sayin'.
a) it's yet to be determined that Flowers was a fuck-up. If he steps up his game this year the growing pains will have been just part of the cost of doing business in the planet theory.
b) Either way, Flowers was not a reach. Word was that he was in the team's top five on their draft board. A mistake maybe, but not a reach.
c)I still say that Robinson and Flowers are far from virtual clones.
I'd be fine with Garcia at 55 or Lamp at 23.
Just don't force it that's all I'm saying.
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And just because we reached and fucked up the 9th pick when we took Flowers doesn't mean we should do the same with his virtual clone in Robinson. Juss sayin'.
a) it's yet to be determined that Flowers was a fuck-up. If he steps up his game this year the growing pains will have been just part of the cost of doing business in the planet theory.
b) Either way, Flowers was not a reach. Word was that he was in the team's top five on their draft board. A mistake maybe, but not a reach.
c)I still say that Robinson and Flowers are far from virtual clones.
"Either way, Flowers was not a reach. Word was that he was in the team's top five on their draft board. A mistake maybe, but not a reach."
Splittin' hairs much? A reach is a mistake. Hence, the term reach.