Go Bulls! A Bulls series win could 1. Prompt the Celtics to look into Melo 2. Prompt the Bulls into thinking they are "close" and add Melo
-Lebron is ridiculous
- Francesa chimed in on KP (linked below)
- Bucks aren't beating the Cavs but talk about an interesting team headed in the right direction...
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I wouldn't give him up straight up for Melo at this point in their respective careers. I venture to guess the majority of NBA execs feel the same way.
Ehhh... if Crowder was on the Clippers or the Cavs and he was all it took to do a deal, they would drive his ass to the airport so quick, his head might fall off.
You think that's a haul for an NBA all star?
Come the eff on.
The C's draft pick this year was also suggested in the haul... that pick projects to be in the top 3.
The C's have swapped right with NJ... they have no other pick in the first round FYI.
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... maybe 5 years ago... but the C's are moving forward... he's the opposite of the direction they are going.
how is he the opposite? you realize celtics are an older team right? especially if they resign thomas..
melo is exactly what they need right now and would have to give up a lot less then what they would have to give up for butler or George
My comment had less to do with age and more to do with the fact that Anthony doesn't fit into a Brad Stevens team based on defense and teamwork.
Anthony is the diametrical opposite of defense and team play.
And he's old, yes, I'm sure that factors in too.
Defense and teamwork? Except they were an utterly average defensive team and the offense was essentially IT running a one man show on offense. You make it sound like they are an elite defensive team that has balanced scoring. That's inaccurate on both accounts
crowder is not the reason, ainge didnt want to give up the bkn picks, which i dont blame him
The Bulls wanted the Brooklyn pick AND Crowder AND more...
... it was all of it put together. According to reports, the C's were willing to give the Brooklyn pick and more, but tried to keep Crowder out of it. Then talks never progressed.
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+1. People continue to not understand that asking guys to play roles over their current ability sets them up to fail. But get guys in the correct role and they shine. Melo needs to be the #3 or lower player on a very good team (#2 scoring option).
But a team is going to be paying him like a number one player though. How does that help his trade value?
1. No, he'll be making making $30 million if traded, which is WAY below the max for the very best players, which will exceed 40 million (super max).
2. So what. Plenty of teams have multiple high paid players. It's a creature of the max cap rule. LeBron, Love, and Kyrie are all maxed out.
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matter if Parker had 5 ACL injuries. He's 22 years old coming off a 20 and 6 and 3 season, 49% from the field, 37% from 3, 19.15 PER. The Bucks would laugh their asses off if the Knicks asked for Parker and the 17th pick for Melo.
It doesn't make sense for Melo but I think Parker is best used as a ticket to rid themselves of their bad contracts and maybe get a starting center out of it. Just don't see how Parker fits with Brogdon, middleton, GF and Maker. He's going to get a max deal, I wouldn't want to touch that if I'm Milwaukee, but what if I'm Brooklyn or Orlando? Flip Parker, Henson, teletovic for Vucevic or Brook Lopez and you're into something.
Sure. I didn't mean to imply Parker was an untouchable piece but for Melo? Makes absolutely zero sense for the Bucks (and that doesn't even include the pick).
What is Melo's value?
The C's were plagued by injuries this year. Their best defender (Bradley) missed a bunch. Crowder and Horford also missed a lot of time.
The C's do have some very good individual defenders... Bradley, Smart and Crowder come immediately to mind. But IT is a liability and their huge weakness (rebounding) impacts their defensive numbers as well.
I was speaking more about the culture under Brad Stevens, though.
The C's did gain the #1 seed in the east, btw. That certainly appears like over-achieving right about now... but how poorly they're showing in the playoffs only makes the feat more remarkable.
It just depends on if he's willing to outright remove his NTC or make it known which teams he's now open to going he wasn't before. But Washington and Toronto are two spots I could easily see.
Wouldn't Utah be a good fit if he's waived it completely? Center a deal around favors and Alex Burks and I'd do that.
I don't think Miami would give up a lottery pick, but is Bosh's contract tradeable? Melo + Lee + KOQ for Bosh's contract, Tyler Johnson and josh richardson. Hard seeing Miami wanting to pay up for Waiters and Tyler Johnson and have money committed to Tyler Johnson.
1. No, he'll be making making $30 million if traded, which is WAY below the max for the very best players, which will exceed 40 million (super max).
2. So what. Plenty of teams have multiple high paid players. It's a creature of the max cap rule. LeBron, Love, and Kyrie are all maxed out.
But LeBron is the best player in the sport. Love, who I'm not a fan of at all, is 4 years younger than Melo. Kyrie is 8(!) years younger and it's possible he hasn't even hit his prime as a player. I don't see how Melo, in his current state, not being worth his contract is disputable. Now it's possible a team thinks he can up his game in a new role on their team, but why give up a lot when that's far from certain?
It just depends on if he's willing to outright remove his NTC or make it known which teams he's now open to going he wasn't before. But Washington and Toronto are two spots I could easily see.
Wouldn't Utah be a good fit if he's waived it completely? Center a deal around favors and Alex Burks and I'd do that.
I don't think Miami would give up a lottery pick, but is Bosh's contract tradeable? Melo + Lee + KOQ for Bosh's contract, Tyler Johnson and josh richardson. Hard seeing Miami wanting to pay up for Waiters and Tyler Johnson and have money committed to Tyler Johnson.
I find it beyond reasonable plausibility that Melo is okaying a deal to Utah
What is Melo's value?
Good question. It's hard to tell. I think conditions in the league overall serve to depress his value. Particularly, the best team is loaded and flawless (GSW), and many teams have nothing to trade that makes sense. Not just CLE or LAC, but also teams like WAS. Oubre and picks in the 20s isnt fair value. Maybe Oladipo would be fair. A mid lottery pick (after the balls are drawn). Fact is Melo can make tough buckets and volume buckets. That is the hardest thing to do in the NBA. 100 players can hit open jumper when the 4th pass of a possession leaves the defense out of position. Titles are won by teams that can make buckets when offenses arent running right at all.
Jerian Grant... come on down. You're the next contestant on Price Is Right.
Shitty picks though. 1 from Cleveland, 1 from Memphis
Rondo has been motivated and doing work
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this year and cap space to take on Melo.
Shitty picks though. 1 from Cleveland, 1 from Memphis
To Portland Crabbe might be a "bad contract" but I don't think he's an awful guy to have given his age. I'd take Crabbe + Vonleh.
Shitty picks though. 1 from Cleveland, 1 from Memphis
I'd be very happy with a (or 2) shitty first rounder in this draft.
Well, he's saying that 49% is available for purchase. Previously he said that an unspecified minority stake was available. But there is no buyer.
Weird time to sell. The Nets are at rock bottom as a team, without their #1s for 2 years. And it's not like a sale now would cash in on either the sports TV rights boom (which is probably over, and they're part of YES anyway) or the interest in the Barclays center, which is complicated because of the Islanders mess/uncertainty.
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Shitty picks though. 1 from Cleveland, 1 from Memphis
I'd be very happy with a (or 2) shitty first rounder in this draft.
Maybe as an extra piece of a deal but Cleveland's pick is like adding a second rounder. If that's all the Knicks get for Melo that's not very much, certainly wouldn't be "very happy" with that return.
What is with the Blazers having such horrid defenders at the guard slots, Crabbe included? It's not like the Knicks, who are bringing in retreads with age/physicaly problems (Rose, Calderon...)
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didn't have a good season but was better second half. He's the kind of guy that if the Knicks gave him his existing deal would be viewed as a "good gamble".
What is with the Blazers having such horrid defenders at the guard slots, Crabbe included? It's not like the Knicks, who are bringing in retreads with age/physicaly problems (Rose, Calderon...)
Blazers have some weird numbers with their bigs too. Not sure how to explain their roster etc.
Maybe as an extra piece of a deal but Cleveland's pick is like adding a second rounder. If that's all the Knicks get for Melo that's not very much, certainly wouldn't be "very happy" with that return.
As I've said a bunch of times, I don't expect much of a return for Melo so my standard for a good return is a LOT lower than others. I hope I'm proven wrong.
So when can I use the WS/48 metric and when can't I? Because they are identical players based off that and PER and a bunch of other advanced metrics? At age 24 Crabbe is a much more refined shooter than lee. Are we supposed to write him off as ever being a good defensive player? He certainly has size, isn't a bad athlete. At the end of the day they're both average/below average starting SGs in the NBA. I'd rather have the one that's 24? Or no?
Certainly having Willy makes it a good thing we didn't sign Monroe I guess, just not sure how he's considered a bad player. He's pretty underrated at this point.
Portland has zero cap space for the next 4 years
What are you talking about
They would need to trade 30 million dollars in salaries to acquire Melo
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and Lee is an above-average defender. I dont see the comp.
So when can I use the WS/48 metric and when can't I? Because they are identical players based off that and PER and a bunch of other advanced metrics? At age 24 Crabbe is a much more refined shooter than lee. Are we supposed to write him off as ever being a good defensive player? He certainly has size, isn't a bad athlete. At the end of the day they're both average/below average starting SGs in the NBA. I'd rather have the one that's 24? Or no?
I think it's fair to look at WS48 and say two guys are similarly impactful. But WS48 doesnt address why they are impactful. Lee is a defender and efficient, low volume shooter. Crabbe is a better shooter/scorer, worse defender. I was taking issue with Crabbe being a younger Lee in style/type, not with their relative contributions.
There are lots of guys with similar WS48. Mike Conley and Giannis are two PGs .001 apart in WS48. Obviously, you wouldnt call Giannis a young Mike Conely. That's what Im getting at.
Report: Celtics Coaches 'In Favor' Of Carmelo Anthony Trade:
^ Much more reasonable.
As a C's fan... I'd be pretty surprised if they gave up Crowder... and absolutely shocked if they gave any of the Nets good picks.
Sounds like Phil would be adamant on getting back Crowder