Where have all the ( great) linebackers gone???
Jerry Reese has yet to draft a great LB in the New York tradition. No argument, no fear of contradiction, a simple fact. Why? Only the football gods know and they aren't saying, but be that as it may, what case can be made for the current crop.
Casilas had a career year at OLB and looks & sounds primed to bring the same again in 2017. Kennard at Sam has held his own, and brings more than some pass rushing ability, freed up by better LB play around him it's reasonable to expect strong run and TE coverage. Goddard is the key, is he the next Harry Carson? Every indication, without pads, is that he is ready to make all Jint's fans take notice, kick some butt in the old style, hard-nosed, ball hawking MLB style. Move over Butkus, there's a new sheriff in town!!
NYG cheer: Robustelli ! Katcavage ! Modzelewsi ! Grier !
Grab 'em by the nose ! Kick 'em in the rear !
Huff ! Van Pelt ! Carson ! Banks ! Taylor !
Knock 'em down! Never waver!
As for B.J. Goodson, time will tell. He's unlikely to be a downgrade from Kelvin Sheppard. And we still might get something from J.T. Thomas, if only in the form of upgraded depth and special teams. So, barring injuries to the holdovers, the linebackers should at least remain at their 2016 level.
Really? You write a whole post about the LB and can't get their names right?
As for B.J. Goodson, time will tell. He's unlikely to be a downgrade from Kelvin Sheppard. And we still might get something from J.T. Thomas, if only in the form of upgraded depth and special teams. So, barring injuries to the holdovers, the linebackers should at least remain at their 2016 level.
And we will unequivocally say about Jerry Jones as the camera pans to his hands buried in his face:
A Woman is a Woman
{No disrespect to women, of course.}
Malik "The Predator" Jefferson, the future of Giants Linebacking/
Is it better than what we have had in the last 3-4 years? Yes, but that is not saying much.....
As for Goddard, he should stick to rockets.....
We were so excited when we got a linebacker like Beason.....he was amazing, or rather he looked amazing when compared to the other LBers on the team.....he would make an average play, a linebacker should make, and BBI went all Lady Gaga for him, because we can't even remember linebackers making average plays.....
The group we have now makes a play here and there, but there is nothing really special about any of them.....Kennard's pass rushing ability is over rated....but at least he stayed on the field last season......Casillas played ok, last season, nothing more.....Robinson was a bright spot for the linebackers last season.....hopefully he can have another injury free year....
That's it for linebackers......As for Goodson, how can you get excited about the guy, until he puts on the pads and makes plays against opposing teams? He is a fourth round pick, who has shown nothing up to this point, and yet, all of a sudden, he is looked at as a starter?
I think our linebackers will get a lot of attention from opposing teams this season.....you always attack, the weak link.....It's up to them, to show that they are not that weak....we shall see....
The front 4 and corners/safeties, are the strength of this defense....their play has to make up for the deficiencies in the LBer's....it worked last year.....should work this year too....
Doomster doesn't believe in commas. He's all about ellipses.
Do I wish we had Lawrence Taylor at WLB over Casillas? Sure, but those guys don't grow on trees. Our LB corps should be more than adequate so long as the starters stay healthy.
I'm Goffard, ya young punk. Mel Goffard, the pride of Podunk.
10 year plan finally plays dividends...
I would have loved to see if both Miles Jack and and Smith were healthy if he would have still grabbed Apple or one of those two guys. Or would that pushed Conklin to us?
Two examples you can see where they may have grabbed a Bobby Wagner . They could have taken Sean Lee too over Hankins. Injuries aside Lee has been the better player.
Reese had that horrible run but it's hard to argue w the last few drafts. And the trade up for Collins alone gets him a few get out of jail free cards for sure.
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Should be hung and quartered
RE: Whoever taught Doomster how to use commas
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In comment 13518663 j_rud said:
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Should be hung and quartered
Doomster doesn't believe in commas. He's all about ellipses.
Not, one, comment, about, content, just, about, punctuation......OMG,,,,,,,,,
or words to that effect. That's been answered a hundred times...the modern game and the 4-3 devalues lb'er play, they are generalists in a time of specialization....and, as a consequence. are usually on for only two plays or so per series.
The cap means finite resources and priorities, and while it would be great to have great lb'er's it's considered more prudent to tie up your resources in pass rushers and pass defenders.
Then there's the scholars who make a stink about a misspelling of a name. Oh for god's sake , you know who he meant didn't you? This is not a spelling B or a study for your PHD. Why should he waste time to research a spelling if you know damn well who he means.
The answere? So they can get attention and/or put someone down and feel better about their own miserable lives.
or words to that effect. That's been answered a hundred times...the modern game and the 4-3 devalues lb'er play, they are generalists in a time of specialization....and, as a consequence. are usually on for only two plays or so per series.
The cap means finite resources and priorities, and while it would be great to have great lb'er's it's considered more prudent to tie up your resources in pass rushers and pass defenders.
Then there's the scholars who make a stink about a misspelling of a name. Oh for god's sake , you know who he meant didn't you? This is not a spelling B or a study for your PHD. Why should he waste time to research a spelling if you know damn well who he means.
The answere? So they can get attention and/or put someone down and feel better about their own miserable lives.
Vernon, Snacks and Jenkins were not draft by this team...
But hell, we got Herzlich...
DE: JPP, Okwara
DT: Snacks, Thomas
DT: Tomlinson, Bromley (maybe UFA Bryant?)
DE: Vernon, Taylor, Moss
I think we carry 9 DL. And if E. Apple improves as much as I think he will; D. Thompson heals and plays as well as coaches believe, well, this secondary will be the league's best.
I'm not sure how "good" UFA Bryant is as he started 2015 a bit but I can't tell if he was any good? I presume average given he was signed cheap. But I would not be shocked if he beat out Bromley.
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The OP "I don/t understand why we don't invest in linebackers"\
or words to that effect. That's been answered a hundred times...the modern game and the 4-3 devalues lb'er play, they are generalists in a time of specialization....and, as a consequence. are usually on for only two plays or so per series.
The cap means finite resources and priorities, and while it would be great to have great lb'er's it's considered more prudent to tie up your resources in pass rushers and pass defenders.
Then there's the scholars who make a stink about a misspelling of a name. Oh for god's sake , you know who he meant didn't you? This is not a spelling B or a study for your PHD. Why should he waste time to research a spelling if you know damn well who he means.
The answere? So they can get attention and/or put someone down and feel better about their own miserable lives.
....well sad. bravo. Linebackers are devalued now unless of course you draft a great one that you can use to exploit offenses. But those guys are rare.
Bullshit. It's ok to be of a different mindset but plenty very good to crest LBs were not taken high. Wagner Lee. Tomas Davis. My post explains it. Reese and his staff don't value that spot. It's like saying you can't play a 4-3 You must play a 3-4. Sean Lee. Bobby Wagner. Tomas Davis. Teams pick LBs before the the 4th round every year. Good ones.
We've won two superbowls in this era
On one we started Jeff Torborg in the other we started Chase Blackburn.
No matter, it flies in the face of a religious conviction..."you need linebackers to win"
No you don/t.
Pierce was a shell of himself in 2007, Mitchell ...an ordinary at the end of ordinary and Jeff Torberg a little less than awful.
You had Michael, Osi and Justin that's, what made the defense and the linebackers weren't bad enough to kill it.
But by all means stick with a theory that you,ve SEEN disproven...and gripe about the G.M s listing of priorities, gripe about a man's spelling and make a stink about commas..
And Chase Blackburn was slow, unathletic and non-draftable... We win with him 2011 and that doesn't register.
"Damn Reese he won't tie up resources in linebackers"
of course, I want linebackers, they'd make us better. But (and how many times does this have to be said) the modern game means hard choices....it's not Defensive ends AND linebackers, it's defensive ends OR linebackers.
There's times when the linebacker is so much better than another position player that you go with him. But when it's close you put your money where you expect the greatest return or the greatest value - it's called prioritising.
And you find a Gotard in a late round: and invest, in;- a Jackson Pierre Paul with you're fist round pik.
or words to that effect. That's been answered a hundred times...the modern game and the 4-3 devalues lb'er play, they are generalists in a time of specialization....and, as a consequence. are usually on for only two plays or so per series.
The cap means finite resources and priorities, and while it would be great to have great lb'er's it's considered more prudent to tie up your resources in pass rushers and pass defenders.
Then there's the scholars who make a stink about a misspelling of a name. Oh for god's sake , you know who he meant didn't you? This is not a spelling B or a study for your PHD. Why should he waste time to research a spelling if you know damn well who he means.
The answere? So they can get attention and/or put someone down and feel better about their own miserable lives.
Spare me the outrage. If you're going to start a thread, you should at least make sure that its content is coherent and the point you're trying to make is a cogent one. Syntax and spelling may not matter to you, but they do to me (and many others). No one should have to decipher a rambling, poorly thought out "stream of consciousness" rant replete with flawed punctuation and spelling errors. Research is never a waste of time unless you're too damned lazy to get things right. It's an insult to those who'll read your work, and if it invites scorn, then so be it. To borrow from Shakespeare, the fault is not in our stars - or on the board, dear grizz - but in yourself, and with the OP.
What in gods name is important if he Goodson or Goodart, if he's referring to a Middle linebacker. Absolutely nothing. It's nitpicking plain and simple.
I am a published writer, I never learned punctuation I let editors take care of it. I believe that critics are not creative (and many editors can't write) because they are bogged down with the details and the mechanics.
Goodson or Goodart, the man's meaning is plain. It boggles my mind that you feel you have to point it out and make an issue out of it. It would be different if there was the slightest ambiguity, different if this was a school, different if punctuation counted in a huddle.
To paraphrase The Bard: all sound and fury signifying nothing.
What in gods name is important if he Goodson or Goodart, if he's referring to a Middle linebacker. Absolutely nothing. It's nitpicking plain and simple.
I am a published writer, I never learned punctuation I let editors take care of it. I believe that critics are not creative (and many editors can't write) because they are bogged down with the details and the mechanics.
Goodson or Goodart, the man's meaning is plain. It boggles my mind that you feel you have to point it out and make an issue out of it. It would be different if there was the slightest ambiguity, different if this was a school, different if punctuation counted in a huddle.
To paraphrase The Bard: all sound and fury signifying nothing.
No, it's not a spelling bee, but it is dependent on the written word, and if you don't know how to write a coherent sentence, how to express yourself properly so that your readers can easily understand what you're saying, you're going to come off looking like an idiot. But what really boggles my mind is that you don't even care. Apparently, literacy means nothing to you and accuracy means even less.
Here's an idea, why don't you pick up a copy of "Elements of Style," by Strunk and White? It's cheap, and it's a very easy read. It won't help you learn the difference between Jeff Torborg and Reggie Torbor, but it might help you get taken more seriously.
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What in gods name is important if he Goodson or Goodart, if he's referring to a Middle linebacker. Absolutely nothing. It's nitpicking plain and simple.
I am a published writer, I never learned punctuation I let editors take care of it. I believe that critics are not creative (and many editors can't write) because they are bogged down with the details and the mechanics.
Goodson or Goodart, the man's meaning is plain. It boggles my mind that you feel you have to point it out and make an issue out of it. It would be different if there was the slightest ambiguity, different if this was a school, different if punctuation counted in a huddle.
To paraphrase The Bard: all sound and fury signifying nothing.
I mean, you're free to not care and format all of your posts like a shitty, jumbled wall of text if you'd like. You should just know that most people will skip right over posts like those because they're extremely annoying to try reading through.
If someone can't spell, format, or use punctuation, I'm probably not going to bother reading their posts. Odds are they aren't making any points worth considering anyway.
In your mind - to write a casual post - I'm obligated to check the Giants roster for 2007 to make sure that I get Torberg's name right. To what end? Didn't you know who I meant? I don't have the time for something of no consequence. But I understand that you do - perhaps compulsively.... Solieri to Amadeus and Apollo to Dionysis.
But it's not just about minutia. The board loves jumping on people who contribute OP's. You see KL, I don't think it's the minutia, I think it's usually about the critic and his needs, and, as Thoreau wrote, about "a life of quiet desperation" made momentarily better by a "put down".
But enough, you can get the last word and try to convince me that I'm a crappy writer, sloppy, imprecise, and without content or punctuation skills - but, nevertheless, one you can't resist reading. LOL
I'm not going to try and convince you of anything. Clearly, you prefer to revel in your sloppiness, laziness, and imprecision. Well, power to you. But don't be surprised when you find replies to your threads asking just what the hell you're talking about.
Finally, for someone so disdainful of critics, you're the first one to mount your high horse and lecture us when we dare to point out that which is flawed, unintentionally funny, or downright stupid. You're quick to condemn all of BBI when some of us have the temerity to lampoon that which is worth lampooning, or question that which is worth questioning. Frankly, you can take your sanctimonious self-importance and shove it.
Sorry KL, you are trying to "paint' me as an incompetent and sloppy poster and you simply can't do it. You look like a jerk when you try.
But then again - it sort of is trumped by the guy trying to make the point that spelling and identification doesn't matter as he listed Jeff torborg as a LB. Wrong sport even!
And again - I had no clue who he was talking about. I didn't even think he meant Reggie Torbor until it was posted above later.
But hey, ellipses are fucking cool!
In the end, a spelling error is one thing. Making up names and having the reader play some form of "Password Plus" is just annoying...