The more I hear and see of this guy, the more he comes off just looking for ways to be controversial. For the 4th of July, instead of celebrating Independence Day, he tweeted out this nugget:
| In a quest to find my personal independence, I had to find out where my ancestors came from. I set out tracing my African ancestral roots, and it lead me to Ghana. Upon finding out this information, I wanted to visit the sites responsible for myself (and many other Black folks in the African Diaspora) for being forced into the hells of the middle passage. I wanted to see a fraction of what they saw before reaching the point of no return. |
Even if one to ignore the obvious ignorance(or planned message) of wearing a Fidel shirt while talking about oppression or wearing socks with pigs on them, in what bizarro world has Kaep been forced into the hells of middle passage?
I'm not going to go on some jingoistic rant because part of being free here is being able to voice your opinion, but if you're going to keep voicing opinions that are factually unsound or show an ignorance to historical figures or history, you still have the freedom to say it - and others have the freedom to call you a moron.
Meanwhile, this is just another episode that seems to indicate where Kaep's priorities are. But I have to say, if given the choice between being a football player or a champion for the rights of blacks, he's not very good at either role.
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He's an adopted kid who was raised as an intelligent person, who had an athletic scholarship and became an NFL player.
Exactly what bearing do sites in Ghana have on him personally?
It would be like me visiting a village in Italy where Mussolini hung people and claim that I can feel the ropes around my neck while standing in the Piazza.
We don't give a shit about his arm, but what he says seems to initiate a discussion that will enlighten a few....
But he's not a violent aggressive or an ex -felon.
Says something about NFL fans that we accept players who do far worse and get to suit up Sunday but people would not watch a team that Colin would play for.
As for Kaep, I'm not going to tell him how to think or what to believe, but I would suggest that on his next vacation he visit a few Civil War battlefields. Might give him some appreciation for the folks who fought and died to secure his freedom.
He's an adopted kid who was raised as an intelligent person, who had an athletic scholarship and became an NFL player.
Exactly what bearing do sites in Ghana have on him personally?
It would be like me visiting a village in Italy where Mussolini hung people and claim that I can feel the ropes around my neck while standing in the Piazza.
It isn't at all the same. Italians came here freely, with their cultures in tact, and passed along to their children. They would take their culture and embed it within both their families and into the melting pot of American culture.
Africans came here against their will, stripped of dignity and culture. They were unable to pass the lessons, food, religion and language of their ancestors on.
This pertains to a mixed race guy adopted by whites in what manner?
My point is that Kaep wants people to believe that his Ghanian heritage somehow is responsible for him being forced into the hells of middle passage, while for the most part of his life, he's had a silver spoon blocking his anus.
You didn't grasp that from my post?
But he's not a violent aggressive or an ex -felon.
Says something about NFL fans that we accept players who do far worse and get to suit up Sunday but people would not watch a team that Colin would play for.
Not all fans accept criminals over Kaepernick, I know I certainly don't. But that's besides the point anyway because there's countless threads over the years devoted to some of the deplorable humans still playing football.
Collectively fans have sent enough letters to owners they won't sign him at this point. Meanwhile felons and deadbeats get second chances and drafted continuously. Collectively the fans have no issue with that.
I think you should stop giving a shit and wasting your time on this one.
Collectively fans have sent enough letters to owners they won't sign him at this point. Meanwhile felons and deadbeats get second chances and drafted continuously. Collectively the fans have no issue with that.
That's because the deadbeats and the media circus that comes with them can usually be contained. Look what Kaepernick is doing, would you want that around your team? Even if you agree with his stance the guy is creating a shitstorm; what businessman would want that around their product?
And he isn't good enough to start, and if you aren't going to start him why pay him anything to have him be your backup all while dealing with the shitstorm that follows him?
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Africans came here against their will, stripped of dignity and culture. They were unable to pass the lessons, food, religion and language of their ancestors on.
This pertains to a mixed race guy adopted by whites in what manner?
My point is that Kaep wants people to believe that his Ghanian heritage somehow is responsible for him being forced into the hells of middle passage, while for the most part of his life, he's had a silver spoon blocking his anus.
You didn't grasp that from my post?
Sure, he has lived a more privileged life than the vast majority of Americans who share his skin color, but that doesn't mean society views him as white. There is bias in this world that doesn't just disappear with how you were raised, and if you fail to see that, then I don't know what to tell you.
What I said is he sure as hell hasn't been forced into some middle passage because of the slave trade from generations ago.
What I said is he sure as hell hasn't been forced into some middle passage because of the slave trade from generations ago.
It's a metaphor to represent his struggles as a black man in this country, at least that's how I am reading it.
More than kaep making a roster owners should be taken to task for having terrible people on their rosters.
The "struggles" he has had are either the latest ones brought on by himself or they are ones that don't come close to sniffing the struggles of thousands in the US.
He's a kid who went from being at a middling football program to a starting QB in the Super Bowl. Instead of using that platform to inspire others, he's using it to play the victim card.
If he's nearly as influential as he believes he is, then he should use it to change lives of adopted kids or use his experience on how to succeed instead of making parallels to ghana and the middle passage.
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he is viewed as a white person.
What I said is he sure as hell hasn't been forced into some middle passage because of the slave trade from generations ago.
It's a metaphor to represent his struggles as a black man in this country, at least that's how I am reading it.
*His* struggles? hahaha.
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he is viewed as a white person.
What I said is he sure as hell hasn't been forced into some middle passage because of the slave trade from generations ago.
It's a metaphor to represent his struggles as a black man in this country, at least that's how I am reading it.
*His* struggles? hahaha.
Exactly. He can celebrate his ancestry, but the only struggle he ever had was which Mazerati to purchase.
The fact that his post bothers you so much should give more insight on your perspective of people and life then on his.
The fact that his post bothers you so much should give more insight on your perspective of people and life then on his.
I can't speak for Fatman but I doubt he's "bothered" by it. Like anything else a topic was posted and then there was a discussion. You are allowed to disagree without being mad, angry, upset, or even bothered.
He has played the victim card claiming he has been blacklisted, when in reality, he isn't a starting quality QB and isn't worth the distraction to be signed as a backup.
He lost his career for not being talented enough to be a starter.
The fact that his post bothers you so much should give more insight on your perspective of people and life then on his.
Its probably not the post itself that bothers people and more the history that trails behind it.
And I don't think it really "bothers" anyone. Its an eye-roller, just like anything else he's done and said in the past year or two.
Let's be fair, most African American families were brought here against their will as slaves over a 250 year period and have never really achieved true equality to this date.
Think about this, yesterday was our 241st anniversary of independence. And slaves were accepted here from 1609 through 1863/65. That is 254+ years on this continent as slaves prior to the Civil War.
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Talk about stereotyping.
It is just another example of Kaep both being out of touch and having inconsistent messaging. If he truly has a point to get across, he's been terrible at communicating it. Being a multi-million dollar athlete discussing struggles isn't going to be a very popular platform. Talking about minorities being oppressed while wearing the shirt of a dictator isn't going to come across as legitimate. Wearing socks of police dressed like pigs is going to take away from the message.
Like I said last year, even his message is difficult to follow. It was about oppression of minorities that morphed into a tangent of Black Lives Matter and police brutality. Now, it is about the Ghanian slave trade and the struggles he's had? It is tough to follow because he makes random controversial statements that don't seem to jibe with reality or seem all that compelling.
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in someone getting in touch with an aspect of their heritage
When he ties himself as being personally impacted by the history, that's way off base.
He lost his career because football became secondary to him and he was beaten out by stiffs like Blaine Gabbert. It was not the other way around - he did not lose his career because of his protests, his on-field performance was terrible.
He chose to protest after becoming a backup and basically being irrelevant.
In the NFL, like many sports businesses, if you have enough talent there is a level of distraction (and I don't use that word to minimize his message, but merely how it relates to potential employers) you would tolerate to employ that player.
He does not enough talent to warrant the distraction or at least he's no longer focused on football first and his one-time success/ascension has stagnated and reversed and he's been terrible in his past few chances to play.
after that, so what? I care as much about the shit that comes out of Kaepernick's mouth as I do Curt Schilling, which is zero.
Steve Weatherford in Ghana, 2012. Where's the outrage?
I disagreed with the pig socks but I've had no issue with anything else Kaep has done including the kneel. He has donated his time and money around the country to good causes since all of this has started with a lot less "noise". But it doesn't take much with him to get people incensed does it? As been said many times here and all over the internet, the NFL have FAR worse players, coaches and executives who are gainfully employed but this guy is literally blackballed for taking a knee to bring awareness to injustice? When did the rest of us become so righteous?
What I said is he sure as hell hasn't been forced into some middle passage because of the slave trade from generations ago.
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You're a clown and don't like calling people names but your point just sounds idiotic. So what the Kaep was raised by a white middle class family how does that make him ineligible to speak on issues that affects half of him. For black people in the country financial and social standing doesn't shield us from racism. I hate Kaep because i'm not sure of his true intentions but i'm not going to listen to you try to imply that financial standing shields one from racism in this country.
He didn't, hence no outrage. If Kaep went to Ghana and simply said he wanted to get a better perspective on history and to make attempts to help kids - cool. He didn't.
I'm just glad he didn't go to Uganda with an Idi Amin shirt on - so I guess he's making progress....
He was forced into the hells of the middle passage?
I can't imagine this scenario playing out in my community, nevertheless I have had the conversation with my kids about how to respond when interacting with police officers.
I am a proud veteran of the US military and African American. There is no other place I'd choose to live than this great nation, but there are many things that should be done to keep it moving in the right direction.
To be fair I laughed at this.
But because he used the word myself????
I visited the WWII Memorial for the first time in DC back in May for myself. That doesn't mean I compared ANY experience I had to that of those soldiers or my family that was a part of it. However I am eternally grateful for what they did and always look for perspective. Why, other than taking a knee, is he seen differently?
Meanwhile- many posters here think LT is a great guy. And he's a convicted rapist!
I should find the posts when people thought Josh Brown was getting the short end of the stick too.
He's always thrown around in discussions like this like there is a fan base lobbying to get LT some humanitarian awards.
He was benched as a starter in 2015 BEFORE KNEELING during the National anthem or any activism (at least publicly) by Jim Tomsula for Blaine Gabbert.
Then Chip Kelly took over and Kaepernick BEFORE KNEELING was beaten out as the starter by Blane Gabbert. Blaine Gabbert. Blaine Gabbert.
Before anything unrelated to on-field performance, this guy beat out Kaepernick:
"Of the 41 QBs who have attempted at least 700 passes since 2011, Gabbert's 22.6 Total QBR ranks dead last." http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/32for32x151104/expect-steelers-rb-deangelo-williams
Let that sink in a little and then continue your rant about someone being blackballed because of something that happened after that.
It's sort of like the people who say Tebow isn't in the NFL today because he's a "god boy" or "jesus freak" or somethign equally offensive (to some I'm sure).
Tebow is not in the NFL today because he was a terrible quarterback.
Kaepernick doesn't have a job in the NFL as I stated before because today, he's not good enough to warrant one. He might refocus and get another shot, and there could even be QB's worse than him today holding clipboards, but right now he's not being blackballed IMO and people that say he is are really just excuse-making IMO.
I'm 4th generation Irish and was raised with stories of the potato famine that forced so many Irish to the US. I identify myself with them even though I have never suffered hunger and poverty on that scale. Why can't Kaep do the same for his Ghana roots? Just because he did not personally experience something does not mean he can't identify with it and protest its continuing affects.
Meanwhile- many posters here think LT is a great guy. And he's a convicted rapist!
I should find the posts when people thought Josh Brown was getting the short end of the stick too.
Dickhead. LT is a good guy. He is a great guy in fact. Statutory rape when one's age is misrepresented is not the "convicted rapist" that you are insinuating. No need to defend his acts, but shame on you.
He's always thrown around in discussions like this like there is a fan base lobbying to get LT some humanitarian awards.
This begs the question if Kaep played more like Joe Montana would he get the same reaction? l