Our only notable loss this off-season was DT Jonathan Hankins, who got a rich contract from Indy who had no choice as they were devoid of DL's.
How much of a dropoff will we see inside should DT R. Thomas start (I believe he wins the job) and J. Bromley rotate in? We'll possibly see rookie DT D. Tomlinson work in more as the season goes.
My thinking is that if the Giants though enough of DT Hankins we'd have kept him for the same money. That being said, the coaches must believe the dropoff isn't all that big really. Thoughts?
The biggest hit from losing Hankins was that we were forced to spend a high pick in the draft on his replacement which could have gone elsewhere had he signed. Oh well.
I like D. Tomlinson as a sturdy run stuffer, but he'll take some seasoning. I don't see him starting as a rookie but if he did surprise and start based on merit, well I'll take it for sure!
The biggest hit from losing Hankins was that we were forced to spend a high pick in the draft on his replacement which could have gone elsewhere had he signed. Oh well.
Pray that Snacks is in shape and stays healthy...
Pray that Snacks is in shape and stays healthy...
I expect D. Tomlinson to be a solid starter in this league; I suspect he'll be active more post-bye; and, he may just end up starting if he learns fast but not out of the gates.
I hope we get a compensatory pick for Hankins, a 5th or 6th.
I think DT Hankins is better than Thomas, Bromley or Bryant but by how much?? I'm quietly hoping J. Bromley finally shows why we took him in the 3rd round. I'm not sure what to make of veteran Bryant other than he is a camp body with starting experience who could push for a roster spot?
DT Bryant could be a darkhorse to stick even over Thomas or Bromley. Nothing would surprise me. I'm not saying it will happen but just that we don't have a super talented group next to Snacks.
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The last rookie DT to start was Barry Cofield way back when (2005 I think). Neither Linval Joseph nor Jonathan Hankins started or even saw much playing time as rookies.
I like D. Tomlinson as a sturdy run stuffer, but he'll take some seasoning. I don't see him starting as a rookie but if he did surprise and start based on merit, well I'll take it for sure!
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Klaatu : 7/5/2017 9:56 pm : link : reply
Since Barry Cofield, 2006. Not even fellow second-round picks Linval Joseph and Johnathan Hankins started as rookies, although each saw some playing time, so I wouldn't expect Tomlinson to start next to Snacks this year unless one of two things happens. In camp, Tomlinson proves himself to be light-years better than Robert Thomas and Jay Bromley (and Corbin Bryant, too, I suppose), or a couple of those guys get hurt (God forbid) and Tomlinson has to fill in.
Klaatu : 7/6/2017 7:39 am...
As for Hankins, he's lucky that the DT situation in Indy was such a mess...
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Klaatu : 7/6/2017 7:39 am...
As for Hankins, he's lucky that the DT situation in Indy was such a mess...
Klaatu pointed out that Indy was lacking DL's and that opening things up for Hankins to get a nice contract. My sincere apologies for not giving him credit for that insight.
Yes, last year some folks laid into me for my "offensive projections" (which were all wrong and overdone) but that I could understand. You will also notice I never get into the negativity with anyone. I'm sorry you are taking things so personally, I did all I could with an apology.
As for your comment regarding this isn't the first time I've "copied from another" I don't doubt it. I've taken for example Eric's writeups and used his info regarding a player, etc. I don't footnote and credit like college.
If you don't want to accept a real apology, nothing I can do but move on and continue to talk football as we head to training camp. This is a football board, not a popularity contest, at least for me.
Hankins was not a superior player, and hasn't been for 2 years. Most overrated Giant in recent memory.
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but still a stout defense. Last year we could put 8 superior defenders on the field at any time. Seven still in place. If injuries stay at last year's level we're in good shape. But Shepard, Hall, Wade, Sensabaugh are gone. Something like 1600 snaps combined. If injuries go back to the levels seen at the end of Coughlin era, loss of Hankins plus depth could spell trouble.
Hankins was not a superior player, and hasn't been for 2 years. Most overrated Giant in recent memory.
And again, I hope we get a compensatory pick for Hankins, a 5th or at worst a 6th would be nice.
The biggest hit from losing Hankins was that we were forced to spend a high pick in the draft on his replacement which could have gone elsewhere had he signed. Oh well.
True about spending high draft pick, but not overpaying for Hankins was a big picture decision. With decisions to make about whether to pay Pugh or Richburg or both, plus a monster OBJ deal coming soon, not allocating another block of cap space to DL, where we're already paying a ton for JPP, OV and Snacks was a reasonable decision
And full disclosure, I was in the sign Hankins camp at the time, but understand the reason not to.
As for replacing him, I agree that will be an open competition going into camp. Tomlinson could well earn the spot early, McAdoo showed in year one he has no qualms playing rookies. By all accounts so far Tomlinson has the brains to match his athletic traits, learning his assignments shouldn't be too much for him
Hope it's a really really big apology.
( just joking guys). Hello to SG and Klautu.
I echo the poster that the damage is the 2nd slot not being available for a OL or DB
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UNLESS something happens to Snacks.... then we would have a problem. If Snacks is good to go he will suck up double teams and the guy next to him will be fine.
The biggest hit from losing Hankins was that we were forced to spend a high pick in the draft on his replacement which could have gone elsewhere had he signed. Oh well.
True about spending high draft pick, but not overpaying for Hankins was a big picture decision. With decisions to make about whether to pay Pugh or Richburg or both, plus a monster OBJ deal coming soon, not allocating another block of cap space to DL, where we're already paying a ton for JPP, OV and Snacks was a reasonable decision
And full disclosure, I was in the sign Hankins camp at the time, but understand the reason not to.
As for replacing him, I agree that will be an open competition going into camp. Tomlinson could well earn the spot early, McAdoo showed in year one he has no qualms playing rookies. By all accounts so far Tomlinson has the brains to match his athletic traits, learning his assignments shouldn't be too much for him
I think D. Tomlinson will be eased into the starting rotation. He is still a rookie and Spags even noted he had a lot to learn so ????
I doubt they saw R. Thomas or J. Bromley as "equivalents" but I am thinking they didn't think they'd be a dramatic dropoff either. D. Tomlinson, though he spent 5 years at Alabama and their pro-style defense, still has a learning curve as noted by Spags. So it does remain to be seen where we are in the next 8 or so weeks. Many questions at DT outside of Snacks.
I mean, I would not be shocked if veteran Bryant beat out R. Thomas or J. Bromley? Nothing would surprise me as no one is super solid. D. Tomlinson does have the most upside though and I'm just making an educated guess that he'll be worked in as the year goes on. Too much talent and upside.
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Hankins was not a superior player, and hasn't been for 2 years. Most overrated Giant in recent memory.
DT Hankins was better suited backing up Snacks and maybe playing spot DT duties next to him in rotation. But you don't pay a "back-up" that kind of money.
And again, I hope we get a compensatory pick for Hankins, a 5th or at worst a 6th would be nice.
Ah come on now. Hankins was much more than that. The guy was a solid starter.
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Hankins was not a superior player, and hasn't been for 2 years. Most overrated Giant in recent memory.
DT Hankins was better suited backing up Snacks and maybe playing spot DT duties next to him in rotation. But you don't pay a "back-up" that kind of money.
And again, I hope we get a compensatory pick for Hankins, a 5th or at worst a 6th would be nice.
Ah come on now. Hankins was much more than that. The guy was a solid starter.
I'm still going with veteran R. Thomas to start game 1; J. Bromely to back him up; R. Okwara and maybe D. Taylor moving inside on 3rd and must pass downs.
Not everyone on a team is a star. Teams are also made up of players who just do their job, being reliable, and being a complementary piece. I believe the Giants have the personnel needed to affectively replace Hankins and the Tomlinson pick was a wise choice.
I ve learned most of these guys can be replaced.
Now, you're predicting that Thomas will start next to Snacks (and no mention of Bryant at all).
So, what changed in the past four day?
- It didn't happen a lot, but when teams were running on the Giants on drives in the 2nd half of the season, you would often have seen Bromley on the field.
- Snacks often made comments the Giants need to re-sign Hankins. Not surprising, but wonder if he made the comment not b/c Hankins was the goods, but b/c the others really stink.
- Give Tomlinson a chance. And I mean early...
- It didn't happen a lot, but when teams were running on the Giants on drives in the 2nd half of the season, you would often have seen Bromley on the field.
- Snacks often made comments the Giants need to re-sign Hankins. Not surprising, but wonder if he made the comment not b/c Hankins was the goods, but b/c the others really stink.
- Give Tomlinson a chance. And I mean early...
Thomas missed the first half of the season with an illness, but even when he was healthy he was used sparingly.
In the spring, though, Thomas and Bromley were splitting time with the first and second teams in both the base defense and the nickel. Tomlinson was relegated to the third team throughout the spring.
That isn't to say that he is a starter. He bounced around a lot in his first year in the league. Hard to know what he is.
:-)
Hankins will not be missed. He wasn't even good last year. JPP/OV/Snacks and a tackling dummy would still be 1 of the best defensive lines in football.