Our only notable loss this off-season was DT Jonathan Hankins, who got a rich contract from Indy who had no choice as they were devoid of DL's.
How much of a dropoff will we see inside should DT R. Thomas start (I believe he wins the job) and J. Bromley rotate in? We'll possibly see rookie DT D. Tomlinson work in more as the season goes.
My thinking is that if the Giants though enough of DT Hankins we'd have kept him for the same money. That being said, the coaches must believe the dropoff isn't all that big really. Thoughts?
As of today, I'm picking R. Thomas to start opening day mainly because he is a big body guy who knows the scheme. But would anyone on this thread be surprised if it was J. Bromley, D. Tomlinson or Bryant starting opening day? There really is no way to know right now.
I hope D. Tomlinson learns quickly and steps up to the starting role maybe post-bye?
OV, Donald, Snacks, JPP ... teams would punt on 3rd and longs just to get off the field.
I don't suffer fools lightly, and this clown in not only a fool, he's a plagiarist as well, and a repeat offender to boot.
As I told him once before when he pulled the same crap, the next original thought he has will be his first.
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Let's drop it fellows. I always enjoy both of your contributions.
I don't suffer fools lightly, and this clown in not only a fool, he's a plagiarist as well, and a repeat offender to boot.
As I told him once before when he pulled the same crap, the next original thought he has will be his first.
So I ask again, in the future I'll make sure I give you credit. Good enough? And yes, it is most likely I got the Indy comment from you but can tell you that because this is a fun football forum and not a college paper I didn't give a second thought to pointing you out as the idea provider.
Bashing people is not the way to live; it says a lot more about you than it does me and it really isn't necessary.
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UNLESS something happens to Snacks.... then we would have a problem. If Snacks is good to go he will suck up double teams and the guy next to him will be fine.
The biggest hit from losing Hankins was that we were forced to spend a high pick in the draft on his replacement which could have gone elsewhere had he signed. Oh well.
Good point about the high draft pick. We'd have likely gone CB as this draft was strong at DB. But what is done is done, the Giants didn't work hard to keep him for a reason and that reason is that he just isn't as good as you'd hope.
Hankins was a classic salary cap casualty. The Giants would probably like to have kept him. However, with JPP, and several others, not to mention Beckham coming up he was not their highest priority.
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UNLESS something happens to Snacks.... then we would have a problem. If Snacks is good to go he will suck up double teams and the guy next to him will be fine.
The biggest hit from losing Hankins was that we were forced to spend a high pick in the draft on his replacement which could have gone elsewhere had he signed. Oh well.
Good point about the high draft pick. We'd have likely gone CB as this draft was strong at DB. But what is done is done, the Giants didn't work hard to keep him for a reason and that reason is that he just isn't as good as you'd hope.
Hankins was a classic salary cap casualty. The Giants would probably like to have kept him. However, with JPP, and several others, not to mention Beckham coming up he was not their highest priority.
As for DL rotation, it is a must so you aren't burnt out at the end of the year.
I am predicting way better time of possession this year by our offense which means our defense won't be on the field as much. That will be a good thing.
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Let's drop it fellows. I always enjoy both of your contributions.
I don't suffer fools lightly, and this clown in not only a fool, he's a plagiarist as well, and a repeat offender to boot.
As I told him once before when he pulled the same crap, the next original thought he has will be his first.
I'm assuming you are a young teen, still learning life? You are disaparaging me with little merit? First, I apologized and second I said in the future I'll make sure I'll give credit. If you are not willing to accept either that is your choice but it is time to stop with the "this is not the first time" and this other childlike behavior. It isn't good for people who actually want to talk football rather than read through this dribble.
So I ask again, in the future I'll make sure I give you credit. Good enough? And yes, it is most likely I got the Indy comment from you but can tell you that because this is a fun football forum and not a college paper I didn't give a second thought to pointing you out as the idea provider.
Bashing people is not the way to live; it says a lot more about you than it does me and it really isn't necessary.
Your apologies are for shit, as is most of the drivel you post. You never even acknowledged my 8:30 post from yesterday where I called you out for lifting my post re Cofield (from another thread) damn near verbatim. After I pressed the issue re Indy, you feigned ignorance (which, for you shouldn't take much feigning), threw out some snark, and then followed up with your standard I've been on this board a long time, I never had a problem with anybody, I'm so enlightened that I'm above the fray, blah, blah, blah. The same shit you said the last time I complained about your plagiarism (which, apparently, you've conveniently forgotten).
I don't bash "people." I bash a fool who does nothing but post the regurgitated opinions of others with no acknowledgement, and, apparently no shame about it, either.
Not only are you a fool, you're a disgrace, too.
You disappeared for a while. Do us all a favor and disappear again.
So let's pray Snacks plays his usual workload and excels much like last year.
The biggest hit from losing Hankins was that we were forced to spend a high pick in the draft on his replacement which could have gone elsewhere had he signed. Oh well.
THIS. Agree 100%.
Maybe because I am the other extreme Paying no attention to who wrote what, but just casually check the site daily for Giants info, I can t relate to it.
But the teenage like "you said He said" banter here can be insufferable. Who the hell cares where someone gets info to share an opinion about the team we root for.
Maybe because I am the other extreme Paying no attention to who wrote what, but just casually check the site daily for Giants info, I can t relate to it.
But the teenage like "you said He said" banter here can be insufferable. Who the hell cares where someone gets info to share an opinion about the team we root for.
How times have changed..GREAT, GREAT job Reese..
How times have changed..GREAT, GREAT job Reese..
Jenkins irked me most followed by Snacks and than Vernon.
Thankfully, it appears I was wrong.
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many on here felt we paid way too much for Snacks, given his "job" and that he was not the 2nd or even 3rd best on the Jets line..very few if any, opined that he was the best in the business at what he did..
How times have changed..GREAT, GREAT job Reese..
Clap, clap, agree completely BB'56 and must admit I thought we overpaid for all 3 major signings but knew we had too do it. We had the money and our defense was horrific.
Jenkins irked me most followed by Snacks and than Vernon.
Thankfully, it appears I was wrong.
I'm on record as loving all 3 signings..They were all young building blocks and moving forward, that was huge, imo..Did I think they'd perform as well as they did almost right out of the chute? No, but I "knew" (hoped) they were excellent signings..We had the money, so that didn't bother me one iota, especially given the age we live in and the outrageous amounts paid to FAs today..The market is the market, whether we agree or not
As you know, I loved the guy and was very sorry to see him go. He worked great with Snacks..I can understand, given the contract he received why he was not re-signed and am looking forward to what Tomlinson can do in tandem with Snacks..It's not as automatic, "plug almost anyone in next to Snacks and they'll do well" as many opined, imo..Regardless, hoping..
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As you know, I loved the guy and was very sorry to see him go. He worked great with Snacks..I can understand, given the contract he received why he was not re-signed and am looking forward to what Tomlinson can do in tandem with Snacks..It's not as automatic, "plug almost anyone in next to Snacks and they'll do well" as many opined, imo..Regardless, hoping..
I see R. Okwara and D. Taylor moving inside on 3rd and must pass downs.
As the season progresses, injuries tend to hit, and D. Tomlinson will become active and begin to see some snaps. At some point after the bye week, he may become the primary next to Snacks. But anyone who thinks he'll start opening day is being maybe a bit too overly optimistic?
Klaatu noted in another thread how Barry Cofield was the last rookie DL to start for the Giants and that was 2006. Linval Joseph, Jonathan Hankins, Markus Kuhn - none of them started as a rookie.
But being Tomlinson is from pro-style Alabama and was there 5 years (2 torn ACL's) he may pick things up faster and work his was into the starting lineup. But if we go 3 DT's on opening day they will be Snacks, Bromley and Thomas (or Bryant).
Maybe because I am the other extreme Paying no attention to who wrote what, but just casually check the site daily for Giants info, I can t relate to it.
But the teenage like "you said He said" banter here can be insufferable. Who the hell cares where someone gets info to share an opinion about the team we root for.
Sorry, but I take a proprietary interest in what I post. I choose my words carefully, I do my research if research is called for, and I use the "Preview" function to check my work before posting. I also give credit to the work of others when it's due, using links, or putting words or phrases in quotes (with quotation marks or BBC Code).
I don't appreciate it when my work is "hijacked" by others without acknowledgement, and I refuse to just let it slide. To me, it's contemptible as well as unethical.
And SGMen...man you sure post a lot. Free country and all that, but geez' maybe bring it down under 500 posts a day.
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And SGMen...man you sure post a lot. Free country and all that, but geez' maybe bring it down under 500 posts a day.
:-)
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than what is being considered by others here. Simply because his competition seem to be trending the wrong way in their respective careers and it may not take much to go from 3rd team to 1st team in that spot.
And SGMen...man you sure post a lot. Free country and all that, but geez' maybe bring it down under 500 posts a day.
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Thanks for keeping count Jimmy. I generally tend to post only before camp, during camp. Before last week, I barely posted. Its football season and enjoy good dialogue.
Fair enough and enjoy (especially my posts), but I will hold you to your promise.
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Whoever steps in , hopefully Tomlinson, will have the luxury of seeing the least amount of attention of the front 4 and should have the opportunity to replace the 40+ tackles and 3 sacks we got from big hank.
That production could come from other DL, not just the DT2. I dont see much of a drop off, however it plays out.
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than what is being considered by others here. Simply because his competition seem to be trending the wrong way in their respective careers and it may not take much to go from 3rd team to 1st team in that spot.
And SGMen...man you sure post a lot. Free country and all that, but geez' maybe bring it down under 500 posts a day.
:-)
Thanks for keeping count Jimmy. I generally tend to post only before camp, during camp. Before last week, I barely posted. Its football season and enjoy good dialogue.
Fair enough and enjoy (especially my posts), but I will hold you to your promise.
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Using your input to add a new perspective is actually a form of flattery.
Using your input to add a new perspective is actually a form of flattery.
And again, I don't take this forum seriously like I'd do with say a Doctorate paper (I never finished my doctorate but I gave it a try..LOL).
Using your input to add a new perspective is actually a form of flattery.
Joe, there are a number of posters here whom I really respect when it comes to football, in general, and Giants football, in particular. dorgan, B in ALB, robbieballs, blueblood, Joey in VA (although we can't stand each other), YANKEES28, KWALL2, and Eric, of course, just to name a few. I could list a dozen more at least.
However, I've never appropriated anything they've written, paraphrasing it to make it seem like it's my own, let alone quote them verbatim without acknowledgement. To me, "That's an infamia," as Don Zaluchi said to the rest of the Dons.
Sure, as the old proverb goes, "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery." I understand that. But I draw a line between imitation and what I see as plagiarism, which again, to me, is reprehensible, regardless of where it turns up - in a manuscript, in a scholarly work, or on a message board.
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