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Camp battles you're most excited to see.

Klaatu : 7/9/2017 9:52 am
On defense, all but two starters from last year remain. Gone are LB Kelvin Sheppard and DT Johnathan Hankins. But while B.J. Goodson is the clear favorite to start at MLB this year, there is no clear favorite to start at DT next to Damon Harrison. I'm very anxious to see who gets that job, and also who'll be the first DT to come in for the big run-stuffer (who only played 61% of the defensive snaps last year), although that role may be filled by a DE in obvious passing situations.

Speaking of which, the competition for back-ups to JPP and OV should be fierce, too. Is Okwara the real deal? Is Devin Taylor ready to show the rest of the league that they made a mistake by passing up the chance to sign him? Where does Moss fit into the mix, and what about Wynn and OO? A few questions there which I hope will be answered relatively quickly.

The situation at FS with Andrew Adams and Darian Thompson has been discussed in several recent threads, and of course Landon Collins is a lock, but after those three two questions remain: One, how many Safeties will the Giants keep? Four, which they usually do, or five, which is what I'd like them to. And who will take those one or two spots?

At CB, it looks like Michael Hunter has the inside track to become the 4th one after DRC, Jenkins, and Apple, but he's certainly not a lock. And if the Giants keep five, who else will make the squad? Blake, Deayon, one of the UDFAs, or can Mykkele Thompson make a successful transition?

On offense, although I'd like the Giants to keep only two QBs, the odds are that they'll keep three. The battle between Geno Smith and Josh Johnson may not be an epic one, but it should be an interesting one.

I figure four out of five OL spots are already locked down. From left to right, Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, and Jerry look to be secure. The one battle I'm most anxious to see is at RT, where I think Adam Bisnowaty can give Bobby Hart a run for his money, with the loser riding the pine. After that, two or three back-up spots will be up for grabs.

With the skill positions, which have been discussed at length, I think it primarily comes down to a numbers game. How many RBs, TEs, and WRs will the Giants keep? We know who's going to start at RB and WR, but assuming four and six for each (and you know I'd go with three and six, but, whatever), several spots should be up for grabs. I'm anxious to see who takes those spots.

With the TEs, I'll assume that four are kept. To me, Ellison, Engram, and Adams are no-brainers. The real battle will be between the incumbent Tye and the oft-injured LaCosse for that fourth spot.

To conclude, there are two battles I'm most excited to see this summer: First, at DT, and second, at RT.

How about you?
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There is always the guy...  
Giant John : 7/9/2017 7:36 pm : link
Going into camp who has very little chance but impresses enough to make a roster. Waiting to see who that might be this year. Who is the pleasant surprise?
Thanks Klaatu  
Bill2 : 7/9/2017 7:39 pm : link
I obviously did not follow or research his past like I should have.

That acknowledged, imho, our collection of running backs still concern me going into the season.

Not the top concern. But I wish we had more capability on OL and RB.

Take care
To answer the question  
adamg : 7/9/2017 8:11 pm : link
I'd say the battle between RB, FB, and TE to see which positions get the extra man and if FB is addressed per se. Tye vs. LaCosse. Darkwa vs. Draughn. Smith vs. Huesman. Which guys fill out the bottom of the 53 on offense is my main interest.

Otherwise the LB, S, and CB battles are also interesting. Pinkins seems like he could be a dark horse for the 53.
RE: There is always the guy...  
SGMen : 7/9/2017 8:12 pm : link
In comment 13523959 Giant John said:
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Going into camp who has very little chance but impresses enough to make a roster. Waiting to see who that might be this year. Who is the pleasant surprise?
Truth. Many "names" to choose from but I want to see a few pre-season games; read a few Inside Football reports; see some commentators thoughts; here some podcasts; etc., before I even begin to conjure up a name. I like a few UDFA's; I like OL Bsnotway though I think he needs a year in the weight room & with Solari; and so forth. Many names, tough to choose this early.
4th CB  
Mike from SI : 7/9/2017 8:36 pm : link
Need someone to step up. That guy's gonna see the field.
im looking forwards to a few  
BlackburnBalledOut : 7/9/2017 9:21 pm : link
CB depth - Hunter vs Thompson vs Deayon vs Whoever else steps up
3rd TE - Tye vs Lacosse vs Adams
FB - Smith vs Huessman
4th & 5th WR Lewis vs King vs Norwood vs Harris ?
RE: RE: Unlike previous years when it  
Jay in Toronto : 7/9/2017 9:47 pm : link
In comment 13523674 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 13523657 Jay in Toronto said:


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seemed to me mostly head-to-head battles, this year it seems like hoping that someone will set themselves apart out of a pack of hopefuls:

3rd CB
right side of OL
TE's
QB back-up
3rd and 4th DEs
2nd DT
4th-5th or 6th WR

Not clear to me if Goodson has a serious competitor at MLB -- probably just his to lose.



I am guessing you mean 4th corner?



Well I'm treat the slot (DRC) not as a corner.
At the end of the day, I believe I learned, and maybe I can speak for  
SGMen : 7/9/2017 11:28 pm : link
many others, that we have some good camp battles coming up:

RT - most likely Hart but Bisnotway, Fluker are in the mix
RG - most likely Jerry but Fluker has a shot
TE - do we keep 3 or 4?
RB - do we keep 3 or 4?
QB - some think Webb may be the #2 with a strong camp? Nah...
FB - if we carry 3 TE's, will we carry a pure FB? Smith...
DT - R. Thomas, J. Bromley, Bryant, just who wins the job?
CB - 4th CB V. Blake, M. Thompson, M. Hunter?
FS - Adams or D. Thompson?
SS - Pinkins or Behre?

Lots of battles due to quality depth. I can't recall a list this long in maybe all my years following the Giants (1978 until now). Just praying we get healthy, stay healthy and come out of the gates on fire. I truly believe a great start is needed for us to finish with a #2 seed and a bye. I'm getting ahead of myself I know, but I believe this defense can shut most anyone down if healthy. That will keep us in every early game.

And the offense has some serious skill position players. All we need is for the OL to develop and come through.
Eric Pinkins  
Jerry K : 7/10/2017 8:50 am : link
It seems he's been left out of a lot of conversations this summer. If he's in a battle with Berhe and Ihenacho, then I would say he's got a pretty good chance of making the team.
RE: Eric Pinkins  
SGMen : 7/10/2017 10:56 am : link
In comment 13524102 Jerry K said:
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It seems he's been left out of a lot of conversations this summer. If he's in a battle with Berhe and Ihenacho, then I would say he's got a pretty good chance of making the team.
Due to his size and coverage / versatility abilities, SS Eric Pinkins (over Behre) is a strong possibility. He has been at the NFL level and knows the defense. I like Behre cause he hits hard but may the best man win.
If Bromley starts  
Carl in CT : 7/10/2017 11:12 am : link
We are in trouble.
I love Berhe's game.  
area junc : 7/10/2017 11:45 am : link
he is one of the biggest hitting S's in the league. Thought the early season pairing with Collins added intimidating presence. He isn't a household name but I guarantee any RB, WR or TE in the league knows he is going to get clobbered going into a game vs. the Giants. always counts for something in sports - the fear element
RE: If Bromley starts  
SGMen : 7/10/2017 11:46 am : link
In comment 13524234 Carl in CT said:
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We are in trouble.
As long as Snacks and Vernon surround J. Bromley (or Bryant, or R. Thomas or D. Tomlinson) we'll be fine. We'll be in trouble, huge trouble, should Snacks go down at any point. That would be devastating.

I give the edge to R. Thomas to start due to his size and experience in the defense. J. Bromley will spell him (and Snacks) a bit. D. Tomlinson will watch and learn early and work his way into the rotation as the season moves along.
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arcarsenal : 7/10/2017 12:04 pm : link
Pinkins was disrupting the entire offense in practice during last season.
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SGMen : 7/10/2017 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13524297 arcarsenal said:
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Pinkins was disrupting the entire offense in practice during last season.
Interesting to hear. Hey, maybe I'm wrong about this kid. 26 or not, he may be more mature and ready than most and therefore could be a guy we want around for what I believe will be a SB run.
I love Berhe's game, too.  
Klaatu : 7/10/2017 12:38 pm : link
I love the fact that he missed ten games last year with concussions, and then when he was asked if he was worried about the long-term effects, and if he was going to change his tackling style, he replied, "Nobody lives forever." That's just the kind of guy I want on IR for my team!
Bromley was considered a project;  
grizz299 : 7/10/2017 2:09 pm : link
A project with latent talent and a very strong work ethic.
The board seems to have given up on him, I'm not optimistic but I also don't think we're necessary "in trouble" if he starts...He was also projected as a three technique and a disruptor, so he'd match up well across from Snacks.
It's also year three for the kid from Syracuse, aboiut the time you'd expect him to emerge...IE if it's ever going to happen. Another interesting note for pre-season gazing.
RE: Bromley was considered a project;  
SGMen : 7/10/2017 2:40 pm : link
In comment 13524477 grizz299 said:
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A project with latent talent and a very strong work ethic.
The board seems to have given up on him, I'm not optimistic but I also don't think we're necessary "in trouble" if he starts...He was also projected as a three technique and a disruptor, so he'd match up well across from Snacks.
It's also year three for the kid from Syracuse, aboiut the time you'd expect him to emerge...IE if it's ever going to happen. Another interesting note for pre-season gazing.
It is year #4 for J. Bromley so he'll be a UFA after this year. My guess is that he'll be a part of the rotation all year next to Snacks and may even spell Snacks at times so he can rest. IMHO, he hasn't quite lived up to what you'd hope for from a 3rd round pick BUT if he improves this year and plays well than all will be forgotten. He has some talent and can "hold the fort" until D. Tomlinson develops and is ready.
I will be surprised if Berhe  
Doomster : 7/10/2017 3:13 pm : link
makes the team....no coverage skills and he is one tackle away from being IR'd....
RE: I will be surprised if Berhe  
adamg : 7/10/2017 3:30 pm : link
In comment 13524544 Doomster said:
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makes the team....no coverage skills and he is one tackle away from being IR'd....


Plus - as Klaatu mentioned - he doesn't think his head hitting should be something concerning. 4th safety is potentially a really interesting battle. If Jadar Johnson takes to the coaching...
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