Manning gets picked apart more than any other two-time Super Bowl MVP. Then again, there are very few players that would even qualify for such criticism. Manning, Terry Bradshaw, Bart Starr, Joe Montana and Tom Brady are the only players to win multiple Super Bowl MVP awards
I would totally LOVE to see Eli Manning have his career year this year
That 4800-45-8 type year that gets him All-PRO honors; another SB ring; and automatic HOF entrance. If he wins a 3rd SB ring, MVP or not, he is a LOCK even if he doesn't have ALL-PRO numbers.
Eli's biggest issue as a pro is that he sometimes tries to force the ball when he should throw it away. That is the one area of his game that has hurt him and brought ridicule to his resume.
Eli is NFL royalty. He's one of the ambassadors of the game. Some of the biggest moments in NFL history are plastered with Eli Manning's play. He's got longevity and stats for days. With every TD and big play made he cements his place in Canton more and more.
He's not even done playing yet. Let the ink dry on his career before we even debate this but as of this moment it would be next to impossible to keep Eli out of Canton.
Don't expect first ballot but Eli will make the HOF. IF he has another insane postseason run he will be first ballot. If he compiles a lot more he will be first ballot. In other words, Eli Manning has got a lot of outs.
He's not any kind of lock. He may get in he may not.
QB stats look very different in 21st century. By this argument Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan should he get to another super bowl, and others will be locks as well.
Brees Brady Rodgers and Ben R will get in before Manning as his contemporaries go. His brother as well. Rivers is a peer to Eli without wins in playoff so he probably waits longer but statistically a peer. Romo as well same as Rivers.
When you had ONE WR, no running backs, a third tier TE and you complain why any QB forces it in ....
When your OT jumps, or holds while waiting for your one WR to get open and your great play on 3 and 5 becomes longer and you throw a pick you wonder why its forced in ....
I do think Eli tosses more than his share of INT's.
But there have many times he had little choice.
He will not be a first ballot HOF player in part because his brother will be, and second his own fans do not fully appreciate his efforts being the greatest QB in the history of Giants football.
Being a simms guy growing up, at least he had great defenses around him. Big Ben with Pittsburgh always seems o have top 5 defenses with skill players.
This season will tell us a lot with a tough schedule on the docket and "on paper" a better squad? Will see.
He's not any kind of lock. He may get in he may not.
QB stats look very different in 21st century. By this argument Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan should he get to another super bowl, and others will be locks as well.
Brees Brady Rodgers and Ben R will get in before Manning as his contemporaries go. His brother as well. Rivers is a peer to Eli without wins in playoff so he probably waits longer but statistically a peer. Romo as well same as Rivers.
A lot of qbs already there in discussion.
Manning is a lock if he has a great year that leads to a SB ring #3. Even if he isn't SB MVP, a third ring and a solid season (probowl type stats) get him in. This is the best set of skill players he's ever had during his tenure in NY. If he finally has that 4800-40-8 type of year and follows with a ring he is a lock for the HOF first ballot. But that is asking an awful lot.
But I get the arguments for why he wouldn't be first ballot as he does have some serious contemporary competition as noted.
Eli is NFL royalty. He's one of the ambassadors of the game. Some of the biggest moments in NFL history are plastered with Eli Manning's play. He's got longevity and stats for days. With every TD and big play made he cements his place in Canton more and more.
He's not even done playing yet. Let the ink dry on his career before we even debate this but as of this moment it would be next to impossible to keep Eli out of Canton.
Don't expect first ballot but Eli will make the HOF. IF he has another insane postseason run he will be first ballot. If he compiles a lot more he will be first ballot. In other words, Eli Manning has got a lot of outs.
I do expect first ballot, or the whole hof is a sham.
He is not a lock today. A lot of writers list him on overrated lists and can't get past his campaigns like 2013. Fair or not these are the voters.
And the article citing the volume stats are ridiculous. Elis best case for hof I is his awesome road warrior record in the playoffs and his sb runs. I believe he needs to add to those or go out with a few more top notch ratings.
The passing records will be wiped clean with new players in next 15 years. Those lists will change very soon.
We have had this debate many times
hassan : 12:08 pm : link : reply
He's not any kind of lock. He may get in he may not.
Guys like Namath and Bradshaw are in the Hall. Eli will be too, if only for the 2 SB wins and stat compilation. Even if he were to retire now, he'd be the #1 QB in several stats left out of the Hall.
that he had 2 4th quarter comebacks against the Patriots in the Super Bowl. Each with its own amazing Pass/Catch. He did it twice, against the juggernauts, when all the chips were in the middle of the table.
I was thinking he shouldn't be a first ballet lock, but just because of the teams he beat to win those Super Bowls. He should be a first ballet HOF!
The voters won't want to include more than two or three qbs from the aughts through now. Brady P Manning and Brees will get those slots.
They will have to include more as it was the era of qbs-Ben r gets in so does Rodgers.
The careers of Ryan and Wilson will loom large by the time Eli voting starts-Ryan has a chance to get playoff success. Wilson qb rating will be much higher than Eli most likely if he gets to another sb he could lock Eli out as well.
Anyone who says it's clear cut either way is not looking at the fuller picture.
HoF enshrinement for Piazza, I would love to drive to Ohio for Eli's enshrinement.
I think he has a great chance. Some great numbers ... playing on the largest stage with the most scrutiny ... handling it beautifully ... and his durability as an NFL quarterback. Then we get to his two rings and two SB MVPs.
Even if he doesn't win another title - which please sweet baby Jesus, all 6 pounds 7 ounces of you make that happen at LEAST once - I still think his chances are very good.
The Hall of Fame is inconsistent with its criteria. More than anything these days, it boils down to whether the voters like you. Jerome Bettis is in the Hall of Fame, but Terrell Owens has to wait.
is that Eli is in the Top 10 already in TD's, yards, completions and attempts. Add in his consevutive games streak, the 2 SB wins and MVP's and his Manning name, and he's a lock for the HoF.
Even inflated passing statistics aren't enough for voters to keep a guy with hardware and stats out.
The big picture simply rewards stat compilers and guys who are in the top 10 ALLTIME in categories. The last thing voters want to look is foolish or have to answer questions year in and out on how they could exclude a player in the top 7 of multiple categories out of the Hall.
yes I would agree Eli seems like a more logical HOF pick than Len Dawson or Namath (not Bradshaw but that is another debate).
However, he faces huge competition moreso than those QBs you mentioned.
If the hall is of the mind to push 8-10 qbs (and the hall certainly has its weirdness which could effect this),in from a 15-25 year span than I think he gets in today without another snap. If its a smaller set then I think he is a case where his enshrinment get delayed like a Harry Carson or a Stabler or even outright passed over, or he needs another good run to push other qb contemporaries out.
if Eli were simply a guy who amassed stats without any titles or MVP's, it becomes a different discussion. An Archie Manning discussion.
But when guys like George Blanda are in the Hall for stat compilation, or Bob Griese for being part of the Dolphins SB's, Eli's getting in. Maybe not first ballot, but he's a lock to get in. They are more nostalgic now, but guys like Bart Starr and Roger Staubach were as much a product of their team's success and reputation than carrying teams, and they are both rightfully in the HoF.
Kurt Warner is in the HoF.
If eli were to be left out, you'd have arguments from both a statistical point and a team success point where he is head and shoulders above other people already enshrined. Heck, if he plays 2 more years, he'll retire in the top 5 or higher in most statistical categories.
When OJ Anderson was left out of the Hall retiring as the 9th leading rusher of all-time, the voters used the logic that he didn't have enough sustained longevity. They won't be able to use that argument for Eli.
Also, don't underestimate how his consecutive games streak is viewed.
a lock. He might not get in on the first ballot because we don't know who else will be nominated at that time. But he''ll get in very quickly, as he should. He doesn't need a third SB MVP to be inducted IMO.
He's not any kind of lock. He may get in he may not.
QB stats look very different in 21st century. By this argument Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan should he get to another super bowl, and others will be locks as well.
Brees Brady Rodgers and Ben R will get in before Manning as his contemporaries go. His brother as well. Rivers is a peer to Eli without wins in playoff so he probably waits longer but statistically a peer. Romo as well same as Rivers.
A lot of qbs already there in discussion.
I very much disagree. If he doesn't play another down he gets in, the question is just when. He can still dictate how fast he gets in but 2 rings + 2 SB MVPS in addition to his iron man streak isn't something that will be glossed over (which you'd have to do to keep him out).
the article I posted claims Eli is at a 40pct chance. Says Luck is at 55% at Cam is at 80%, Wilson also high. I may personally disagree with some or all being more likely or fair., but ESPN is reflective of a writer aggregation of opinion, sad as that may be.
And btw, those older examples are really not good. Stats were such a different animal in football back then and guys on great teams made it in way more often than will be the case going forward (see Blanda, Swann, Griese, etc).
In our fantasy obsessed era, Eli will need to not drop significantly on those lists by the time balloting happens for him (a class of guys waiting to add number to pass by him) and would be helped with another deep playoff run significantly.
Eli has about as many halftime heave/2 minute drill down late when the games over chuck and hope to score 60 yards downfield type picks when the game is already over or the play is essentially meaningless out of any quarterback I can remember. He isn't obsessed over his pick numbers and stats. He is a lock.
And btw, those older examples are really not good. Stats were such a different animal in football back then and guys on great teams made it in way more often than will be the case going forward
That's one of the reasons Eli is a lock. He isn't just a stats guy, he also has the rings and an impressive consecutive games streak.
What I'm saying is he has all the bases covered. He checks all the boxes.
He's not done anything to piss off the voting body and heck, he'll get a lot of votes, not just because of the SB MVP's, but because he beat Brady in both. There's no way Brady's foil gets left out.
Says he has a 70ish pct chance, but acknolwedges the glut of contemporaries ahead of Eli which the model does not factor for. Says if he wins another super bowl its 97% likely. That to me is a lock.
for the record, I do think he deserves it for the reasons you stated. But I dont feel he is a lock as already stated.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. For me he checks the hardware box, the longevity box, and is already high enough on some of the all time stat categories that the box is somewhat checked now already. I also don't believe their is going to be an agenda of limiting X players at a given position. IN reality there's really only 5 guys ahead of him in this era (Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, I guess Roethlisberger) and that hardly seems like enough players to implement a cutoff. Factor in Newton and anyone else playing for the next 10 years and they won't even be a factor for the current crop.
and he will get it this year. fades to Marshall, slants to Beckham, outs to Shepard, deep middle to Engram, ...
I've never heard of a QB needing 3 SB rings to get into the HOF.........
I think if Eli had just one, the going rate would be he needs a second to prove it.
What did Parcells say? You can win one and be lucky....but if you win two, you've earned it.
He'll be in the HOF. His numbers are WAY up there, plus he has the two rings, two MVPs, and two game winning drives with two incredible throws versus what is the best dynasty ever, including their coach and QB.
Might not be first ballot, and probably shouldn't be. But he'll be in the HOF and it will be extremely deserving.
PS - add in his class act of playing in the toughest sports town, at the toughest position in sports.
Im suggesting Blanda, Griese etc got voted in when great teams had a lot of players go in. The Pats on the other hand of today will have Belichick and Brady go in. Who else? Gronk. Wilfork? Not nearly as many.
Stats are obivioulsy important, but stats relative to your peers is most important. Brees goes in because of his off the wall stats relative to his peers. Im not sure eli's stats look as great when considered relative to his peers.
And Eli is controversial. People still dont like his SD stance.
Personally I do believe he should make it and he will over time but I also think it will take him a decade after his retirement at least and I would not use the word lock. I guess its also matters when Ben R, Brady, others retire. And also if the hall is ready to put 5 or 10 qbs in during a short timeframe.
all-time stats? check.
championship(s)? check.
signature plays? check.
respected by his peers? check.
clean off the field? check.
ambassador of the game? check.
respected by the press? this one's close, but I would venture to say that those who know the game best respect what eli has done and what he brings to the table.
are pretty similar to those debated before. So, I'll just say this: There is zero question in my mind that Eli makes it in, especially given the requisite stats he'll have accumulated and the HOF voters usually splooge over. The ONLY question to me, is WHEN he gets in after the 5 years have elapsed post-retirement..
certainly it does. You are aware the media is not that objective right? A lot of it is a popularity contest. LT was not a unanimous vote into the hall because voters did not like him as a person. Beyond silly but true.
Stats are relative. titles and MVP's on the biggest stage aren't. There's not much argumentation writers can use to keep him out, and frankly, they don't want that scrutiny.
You put him up against his peers NOW, and he's right there in stats and success. Do it 2 years from now, and he's even further ahead.
I think if Eli were to have played his last down, he's in the HoF. I doubt (nor do I want to) that argument will come into play, but like I said above - you aren't going to leave a guy who will likely be in the Top 5 of all key stats with 2 titles out of the Hall. It isn't going to happen.
There's not a single instance of a guy who retired in the top 5 of most major categories not being in the Hall on the offensive side of the ball. The most glaring example is OJ Anderson, and that's 35 years ago now.
a good chance we will also never see a case where more qbs replace existing qbs in top 5 categories as we will in the next 10 years. Lucks, Wilsons, Winstons, Mariottas of the world will be air raiding defenses.
Where Eli sits once he is eligible for hall consideration vs his retirement will be interesting on all those lists.
He's not any kind of lock. He may get in he may not.
QB stats look very different in 21st century. By this argument Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan should he get to another super bowl, and others will be locks as well.
Brees Brady Rodgers and Ben R will get in before Manning as his contemporaries go. His brother as well. Rivers is a peer to Eli without wins in playoff so he probably waits longer but statistically a peer. Romo as well same as Rivers.
A lot of qbs already there in discussion.
Again, Eli has the stats and the super bowls. And Ryan and Wilson also have to compile the stats for another 7 years or so.
Wilson is close too. Ryan has a lot of work to do. He had a shot last february but decided to choke in the 4th quarter. Wilson...somewhat similar but he has one under his belt.
Stats are one thing. Two Supe MVPs along with the stats and he's still going? That's quite another.
He's not any kind of lock. He may get in he may not.
QB stats look very different in 21st century. By this argument Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan should he get to another super bowl, and others will be locks as well.
Brees Brady Rodgers and Ben R will get in before Manning as his contemporaries go. His brother as well. Rivers is a peer to Eli without wins in playoff so he probably waits longer but statistically a peer. Romo as well same as Rivers.
A lot of qbs already there in discussion.
And you cannot put romo and rivers in the same convo as Eli. They didn't win two super bowl titles.
I don't know why this is so hard to comprehend. The super bowl MVPs carry a shit load of weight.
Eli's biggest issue as a pro is that he sometimes tries to force the ball when he should throw it away. That is the one area of his game that has hurt him and brought ridicule to his resume.
He's not even done playing yet. Let the ink dry on his career before we even debate this but as of this moment it would be next to impossible to keep Eli out of Canton.
Don't expect first ballot but Eli will make the HOF. IF he has another insane postseason run he will be first ballot. If he compiles a lot more he will be first ballot. In other words, Eli Manning has got a lot of outs.
QB stats look very different in 21st century. By this argument Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan should he get to another super bowl, and others will be locks as well.
Brees Brady Rodgers and Ben R will get in before Manning as his contemporaries go. His brother as well. Rivers is a peer to Eli without wins in playoff so he probably waits longer but statistically a peer. Romo as well same as Rivers.
A lot of qbs already there in discussion.
When your OT jumps, or holds while waiting for your one WR to get open and your great play on 3 and 5 becomes longer and you throw a pick you wonder why its forced in ....
I do think Eli tosses more than his share of INT's.
But there have many times he had little choice.
He will not be a first ballot HOF player in part because his brother will be, and second his own fans do not fully appreciate his efforts being the greatest QB in the history of Giants football.
Being a simms guy growing up, at least he had great defenses around him. Big Ben with Pittsburgh always seems o have top 5 defenses with skill players.
This season will tell us a lot with a tough schedule on the docket and "on paper" a better squad? Will see.
QB stats look very different in 21st century. By this argument Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan should he get to another super bowl, and others will be locks as well.
Brees Brady Rodgers and Ben R will get in before Manning as his contemporaries go. His brother as well. Rivers is a peer to Eli without wins in playoff so he probably waits longer but statistically a peer. Romo as well same as Rivers.
A lot of qbs already there in discussion.
But I get the arguments for why he wouldn't be first ballot as he does have some serious contemporary competition as noted.
and he will get it this year. fades to Marshall, slants to Beckham, outs to Shepard, deep middle to Engram, ...
He's not even done playing yet. Let the ink dry on his career before we even debate this but as of this moment it would be next to impossible to keep Eli out of Canton.
Don't expect first ballot but Eli will make the HOF. IF he has another insane postseason run he will be first ballot. If he compiles a lot more he will be first ballot. In other words, Eli Manning has got a lot of outs.
I do expect first ballot, or the whole hof is a sham.
He is not a lock today. A lot of writers list him on overrated lists and can't get past his campaigns like 2013. Fair or not these are the voters.
And the article citing the volume stats are ridiculous. Elis best case for hof I is his awesome road warrior record in the playoffs and his sb runs. I believe he needs to add to those or go out with a few more top notch ratings.
The passing records will be wiped clean with new players in next 15 years. Those lists will change very soon.
hassan : 12:08 pm : link : reply
He's not any kind of lock. He may get in he may not.
Guys like Namath and Bradshaw are in the Hall. Eli will be too, if only for the 2 SB wins and stat compilation. Even if he were to retire now, he'd be the #1 QB in several stats left out of the Hall.
He checks all the boxes and will be enshrined.
I was thinking he shouldn't be a first ballet lock, but just because of the teams he beat to win those Super Bowls. He should be a first ballet HOF!
They will have to include more as it was the era of qbs-Ben r gets in so does Rodgers.
The careers of Ryan and Wilson will loom large by the time Eli voting starts-Ryan has a chance to get playoff success. Wilson qb rating will be much higher than Eli most likely if he gets to another sb he could lock Eli out as well.
Anyone who says it's clear cut either way is not looking at the fuller picture.
I think he has a great chance. Some great numbers ... playing on the largest stage with the most scrutiny ... handling it beautifully ... and his durability as an NFL quarterback. Then we get to his two rings and two SB MVPs.
Even if he doesn't win another title - which please sweet baby Jesus, all 6 pounds 7 ounces of you make that happen at LEAST once - I still think his chances are very good.
A 3rd SB win or a league MVP (very unlikely) or 4 - 5 more years of play at his current level to pad his stats will be required for Eli to be a lock.
Even inflated passing statistics aren't enough for voters to keep a guy with hardware and stats out.
The big picture simply rewards stat compilers and guys who are in the top 10 ALLTIME in categories. The last thing voters want to look is foolish or have to answer questions year in and out on how they could exclude a player in the top 7 of multiple categories out of the Hall.
However, he faces huge competition moreso than those QBs you mentioned.
If the hall is of the mind to push 8-10 qbs (and the hall certainly has its weirdness which could effect this),in from a 15-25 year span than I think he gets in today without another snap. If its a smaller set then I think he is a case where his enshrinment get delayed like a Harry Carson or a Stabler or even outright passed over, or he needs another good run to push other qb contemporaries out.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/BarnwellNFLPreview160803/projecting-future-nfl-hall-famers-eli-manning-new-york-giants-cam-newton-carolina-panthers-make-pro-football-hall-fame
But when guys like George Blanda are in the Hall for stat compilation, or Bob Griese for being part of the Dolphins SB's, Eli's getting in. Maybe not first ballot, but he's a lock to get in. They are more nostalgic now, but guys like Bart Starr and Roger Staubach were as much a product of their team's success and reputation than carrying teams, and they are both rightfully in the HoF.
Kurt Warner is in the HoF.
If eli were to be left out, you'd have arguments from both a statistical point and a team success point where he is head and shoulders above other people already enshrined. Heck, if he plays 2 more years, he'll retire in the top 5 or higher in most statistical categories.
When OJ Anderson was left out of the Hall retiring as the 9th leading rusher of all-time, the voters used the logic that he didn't have enough sustained longevity. They won't be able to use that argument for Eli.
Also, don't underestimate how his consecutive games streak is viewed.
QB stats look very different in 21st century. By this argument Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan should he get to another super bowl, and others will be locks as well.
Brees Brady Rodgers and Ben R will get in before Manning as his contemporaries go. His brother as well. Rivers is a peer to Eli without wins in playoff so he probably waits longer but statistically a peer. Romo as well same as Rivers.
A lot of qbs already there in discussion.
I very much disagree. If he doesn't play another down he gets in, the question is just when. He can still dictate how fast he gets in but 2 rings + 2 SB MVPS in addition to his iron man streak isn't something that will be glossed over (which you'd have to do to keep him out).
And btw, those older examples are really not good. Stats were such a different animal in football back then and guys on great teams made it in way more often than will be the case going forward (see Blanda, Swann, Griese, etc).
In our fantasy obsessed era, Eli will need to not drop significantly on those lists by the time balloting happens for him (a class of guys waiting to add number to pass by him) and would be helped with another deep playoff run significantly.
That's one of the reasons Eli is a lock. He isn't just a stats guy, he also has the rings and an impressive consecutive games streak.
What I'm saying is he has all the bases covered. He checks all the boxes.
STATS - check
RINGS - check
TOUGHNESS/LONGEVITY - check
NON-CONTROVERSIAL - check
He's not done anything to piss off the voting body and heck, he'll get a lot of votes, not just because of the SB MVP's, but because he beat Brady in both. There's no way Brady's foil gets left out.
Says he has a 70ish pct chance, but acknolwedges the glut of contemporaries ahead of Eli which the model does not factor for. Says if he wins another super bowl its 97% likely. That to me is a lock.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. For me he checks the hardware box, the longevity box, and is already high enough on some of the all time stat categories that the box is somewhat checked now already. I also don't believe their is going to be an agenda of limiting X players at a given position. IN reality there's really only 5 guys ahead of him in this era (Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, I guess Roethlisberger) and that hardly seems like enough players to implement a cutoff. Factor in Newton and anyone else playing for the next 10 years and they won't even be a factor for the current crop.
and he will get it this year. fades to Marshall, slants to Beckham, outs to Shepard, deep middle to Engram, ...
I've never heard of a QB needing 3 SB rings to get into the HOF.........
I think if Eli had just one, the going rate would be he needs a second to prove it.
What did Parcells say? You can win one and be lucky....but if you win two, you've earned it.
He'll be in the HOF. His numbers are WAY up there, plus he has the two rings, two MVPs, and two game winning drives with two incredible throws versus what is the best dynasty ever, including their coach and QB.
Might not be first ballot, and probably shouldn't be. But he'll be in the HOF and it will be extremely deserving.
PS - add in his class act of playing in the toughest sports town, at the toughest position in sports.
That's statistical analysis run amok. What has Andrew Luck done at this point to even say his name and hall of fame in the same sentence?
Cam Newton and Andrew Luck projections are all about POTENTIAL. Eli's done it. It's not if he does it, he's done it.
Stats are obivioulsy important, but stats relative to your peers is most important. Brees goes in because of his off the wall stats relative to his peers. Im not sure eli's stats look as great when considered relative to his peers.
And Eli is controversial. People still dont like his SD stance.
Personally I do believe he should make it and he will over time but I also think it will take him a decade after his retirement at least and I would not use the word lock. I guess its also matters when Ben R, Brady, others retire. And also if the hall is ready to put 5 or 10 qbs in during a short timeframe.
championship(s)? check.
signature plays? check.
respected by his peers? check.
clean off the field? check.
ambassador of the game? check.
respected by the press? this one's close, but I would venture to say that those who know the game best respect what eli has done and what he brings to the table.
he's in even if he retired today.
You've got to be kidding, right?
That has nothing to do with getting into the HOF.
Stats are relative. titles and MVP's on the biggest stage aren't. There's not much argumentation writers can use to keep him out, and frankly, they don't want that scrutiny.
You put him up against his peers NOW, and he's right there in stats and success. Do it 2 years from now, and he's even further ahead.
I think if Eli were to have played his last down, he's in the HoF. I doubt (nor do I want to) that argument will come into play, but like I said above - you aren't going to leave a guy who will likely be in the Top 5 of all key stats with 2 titles out of the Hall. It isn't going to happen.
There's not a single instance of a guy who retired in the top 5 of most major categories not being in the Hall on the offensive side of the ball. The most glaring example is OJ Anderson, and that's 35 years ago now.
Without his SBs he has zero chance at the hall.
It won't ever get to the point where Archie and Peyton need to lobby for him.
Where Eli sits once he is eligible for hall consideration vs his retirement will be interesting on all those lists.
QB stats look very different in 21st century. By this argument Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan should he get to another super bowl, and others will be locks as well.
Brees Brady Rodgers and Ben R will get in before Manning as his contemporaries go. His brother as well. Rivers is a peer to Eli without wins in playoff so he probably waits longer but statistically a peer. Romo as well same as Rivers.
A lot of qbs already there in discussion.
Again, Eli has the stats and the super bowls. And Ryan and Wilson also have to compile the stats for another 7 years or so.
Wilson is close too. Ryan has a lot of work to do. He had a shot last february but decided to choke in the 4th quarter. Wilson...somewhat similar but he has one under his belt.
Stats are one thing. Two Supe MVPs along with the stats and he's still going? That's quite another.
QB stats look very different in 21st century. By this argument Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan should he get to another super bowl, and others will be locks as well.
Brees Brady Rodgers and Ben R will get in before Manning as his contemporaries go. His brother as well. Rivers is a peer to Eli without wins in playoff so he probably waits longer but statistically a peer. Romo as well same as Rivers.
A lot of qbs already there in discussion.
And you cannot put romo and rivers in the same convo as Eli. They didn't win two super bowl titles.
I don't know why this is so hard to comprehend. The super bowl MVPs carry a shit load of weight.