I wish Mills would just come out and say "We plan on staying as young and cheap as we can until 2020, when we'll have tons of cap space, and our only contracts will be 28 year old Hardaway, 24 year old KP, 25 year old Willy, 22 year old Frank and 21 year old Doncic."
But they're just going to keep overpaying average players, and our opportunity to make a real splash will go by the wayside.
How do we know this isn't the plan? Mills already outright said they are looking to make the roster younger and more athletic. Let's wait and see what the return on the Melo trade is before we get ahead of ourselves and say the plan is anything other than staying "young and cheap until 2020."
I wish Mills would just come out and say "We plan on staying as young and cheap as we can until 2020, when we'll have tons of cap space, and our only contracts will be 28 year old Hardaway, 24 year old KP, 25 year old Willy, 22 year old Frank and 21 year old Doncic."
But they're just going to keep overpaying average players, and our opportunity to make a real splash will go by the wayside.
How do we know this isn't the plan? Mills already outright said they are looking to make the roster younger and more athletic. Let's wait and see what the return on the Melo trade is before we get ahead of ourselves and say the plan is anything other than staying "young and cheap until 2020."
I hope you're right. That is what we should be doing.
I just don't trust this FO to make the right decisions.
I wish Mills would just come out and say "We plan on staying as young and cheap as we can until 2020, when we'll have tons of cap space, and our only contracts will be 28 year old Hardaway, 24 year old KP, 25 year old Willy, 22 year old Frank and 21 year old Doncic."
But they're just going to keep overpaying average players, and our opportunity to make a real splash will go by the wayside.
How do we know this isn't the plan? Mills already outright said they are looking to make the roster younger and more athletic. Let's wait and see what the return on the Melo trade is before we get ahead of ourselves and say the plan is anything other than staying "young and cheap until 2020."
I hope you're right. That is what we should be doing.
I just don't trust this FO to make the right decisions.
After we bring on Evan Turner, Meyers Leonard, or some other equally shitty contract in this deal then I'll be shitting on Mills right there along with you.
If the Pelicans are interested in getting involved as reported by Berman, I would be trying to take on their bad contracts to get picks. I would also include Lee to sweeten the pot. See the link for the trade. Pelicans would have to send back back 2 future 1sts and the rockets would include a future 1st.
New Orleans would be giving up 2 1st round picks for Lee and Ryno and to dump the awful contracts of Asik/ Moore/ Hill. Their GM is on the hot seat and they need to win this year in order to keep Cousins.
I know this is beyond wishful thinking, but getting 3 future 1sts for Lee and Melo would be fantastic. And honestly it makes a lot of sense for all 3 teams.
If the Pelicans are interested in getting involved as reported by Berman, I would be trying to take on their bad contracts to get picks. I would also include Lee to sweeten the pot. See the link for the trade. Pelicans would have to send back back 2 future 1sts and the rockets would include a future 1st.
New Orleans would be giving up 2 1st round picks for Lee and Ryno and to dump the awful contracts of Asik/ Moore/ Hill. Their GM is on the hot seat and they need to win this year in order to keep Cousins.
I know this is beyond wishful thinking, but getting 3 future 1sts for Lee and Melo would be fantastic. And honestly it makes a lot of sense for all 3 teams.
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If the Pelicans are interested in getting involved as reported by Berman, I would be trying to take on their bad contracts to get picks. I would also include Lee to sweeten the pot. See the link for the trade. Pelicans would have to send back back 2 future 1sts and the rockets would include a future 1st.
New Orleans would be giving up 2 1st round picks for Lee and Ryno and to dump the awful contracts of Asik/ Moore/ Hill. Their GM is on the hot seat and they need to win this year in order to keep Cousins.
I know this is beyond wishful thinking, but getting 3 future 1sts for Lee and Melo would be fantastic. And honestly it makes a lot of sense for all 3 teams.
What do you guys think? Trade Machine - ( New Window )
Why would the Knicks do this?
2 future 1st round picks from New Orleans and 1 future 1st round pick from Houston.
If the Pelicans are interested in getting involved as reported by Berman, I would be trying to take on their bad contracts to get picks. I would also include Lee to sweeten the pot. See the link for the trade. Pelicans would have to send back back 2 future 1sts and the rockets would include a future 1st.
New Orleans would be giving up 2 1st round picks for Lee and Ryno and to dump the awful contracts of Asik/ Moore/ Hill. Their GM is on the hot seat and they need to win this year in order to keep Cousins.
I know this is beyond wishful thinking, but getting 3 future 1sts for Lee and Melo would be fantastic. And honestly it makes a lot of sense for all 3 teams.
What do you guys think? Trade Machine - ( New Window )
Why would the Knicks do this?
2 future 1st round picks from New Orleans and 1 future 1st round pick from Houston.
And they take on three brutal contracts.
The only actual player I'd be interested in from the Pelicans is
If the Pelicans are interested in getting involved as reported by Berman, I would be trying to take on their bad contracts to get picks. I would also include Lee to sweeten the pot. See the link for the trade. Pelicans would have to send back back 2 future 1sts and the rockets would include a future 1st.
New Orleans would be giving up 2 1st round picks for Lee and Ryno and to dump the awful contracts of Asik/ Moore/ Hill. Their GM is on the hot seat and they need to win this year in order to keep Cousins.
I know this is beyond wishful thinking, but getting 3 future 1sts for Lee and Melo would be fantastic. And honestly it makes a lot of sense for all 3 teams.
What do you guys think? Trade Machine - ( New Window )
Why would the Knicks do this?
2 future 1st round picks from New Orleans and 1 future 1st round pick from Houston.
And they take on three brutal contracts.
Carroll is better than all 3 and just returned a 1 and a 2 for his remaining 30 million. Carroll is still a decent player -- would make the rotation of very good teams. LA had to attach Russell to be rid of Moz, and I think Russell would have returned 4 or 5 overall value in this draft, straight up.
These guys suck. Taking on their remaining 90-100 million should return 5 or 6 #1s IMO unless maybe you have really good cause to believe some of the picks will be high.
It's almost like people think you should get LESS for taking back a ton of bad contracts. Nuts.
RE: The only actual player I'd be interested in from the Pelicans is
Chieck Diallo, who has very good potential. Other than that, I just want draft picks from them.
That's the whole point of my proposed trade. If Melo is going to the Rockets, they are taking back major contracts. Outside of finding some magical expiring 25million dollar contract, theres no other options. I would rather than maximize their picks by just absorbing these bad contracts.
The Rockets get Melo and dump Ryno for one 1st round pick. The Pels turn their garbage contracts and players into two good players that help them. And the Knicks get 3 future 1sts instead of some package of Harkless/ Leonard or whatever else is out there. Give me the picks.
But he seems to be following along with his stated goal to get "younger and more athletic", As fans that's what we should want. Guys like Harkless and picks. If he does that I will give him props. And if the intent is to have Baker play 20 min or so of PG then 4 mil a year is not bad. He's just not very good but the thought process is correct. A place holder for Frank, not someone who will slow his growth. Mills is NOT doing a horrible job so far IMO.
But he seems to be following along with his stated goal to get "younger and more athletic", As fans that's what we should want. Guys like Harkless and picks. If he does that I will give him props. And if the intent is to have Baker play 20 min or so of PG then 4 mil a year is not bad. He's just not very good but the thought process is correct. A place holder for Frank, not someone who will slow his growth. Mills is NOT doing a horrible job so far IMO.
you have to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. You dont get credit for getting younger if you lay waste to the salary cap in the process.
They are going to be a terrible team AND capped out
With the Noah contract. Mills or whomever is stuck with it. Compared to that deal the THJ signing is not horrible and Baker for 2 years as a placeholder is not horrible. Let's see what happens here
With the Noah contract. Mills or whomever is stuck with it. Compared to that deal the THJ signing is not horrible and Baker for 2 years as a placeholder is not horrible. Let's see what happens here
Well the THJR deal was an overpay. And the Baker deal was an overpay. Both also got options, meaning they get to rob us of the upside.
If you overpay on every deal you're screwed. Also he was part of the front office that made the last round of bad moves. We've seen no evidence that Phil made those moves over Mills' objection.
People act like the Kmicks should give Anthony away for 2 cigars and a bottle of scotch and make NO other moves in the off season. Mills wants to run the show. Doing that and winning 10 games in NY won't cut it. The right idea is to get younger, more athletic develop a core to grow together facilitate Frank's growth- so far this is what he's done. You don't like the players fine, the contracts in today's NBA are not horrible. What is screwing the cap is Noah's contract which is to the best of our knowledge Jackson's doing. If he brings back a useful young player and a #1 without any bad contracts I would say he did pretty well.
that signing free agents in EVERY sport requires an overpay. That's why the draft is the way to build. Now if you want to say he shouldn't be signing ANY free agents I can respect that.
that signing free agents in EVERY sport requires an overpay. That's why the draft is the way to build. Now if you want to say he shouldn't be signing ANY free agents I can respect that.
Knicks are grossly overpaying. There is no explaining the Baker contract. THJR got an offer ATL didnt even consider matching.
And increasingly ok to good teams can bargain shop in the NBA.
And you know what? The Knicks arent going to be good next year. We dont need to be overpaying to get a little bit better. I was okay with the THJR deal, but not if it's gonna be a pattern.
Get Harkless and nothing else it's a good deal for Knicks unless they give rondo or rose $10 million per year for the next 4 years which I fully anticipate they will do. Very strange that rondo and rose have not signed withanyone yet. Seems like they are waiting For Melo trade
People act like the Kmicks should give Anthony away for 2 cigars and a bottle of scotch and make NO other moves in the off season. Mills wants to run the show. Doing that and winning 10 games in NY won't cut it. The right idea is to get younger, more athletic develop a core to grow together facilitate Frank's growth- so far this is what he's done. You don't like the players fine, the contracts in today's NBA are not horrible. What is screwing the cap is Noah's contract which is to the best of our knowledge Jackson's doing. If he brings back a useful young player and a #1 without any bad contracts I would say he did pretty well.
I don't think they should make no moves.
They should make smart moves.
Now they can't make ANY moves because they don't have any cap flexibility.
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but one of the biggest benefits of young players is that they are on favorable contracts. Overpaying these young athletic players is a risky proposition because you are paying significantly for potential.
Noah: 19.3 million
THJR: 18.2 million
Lee: 12.8 million
Leonard: 11.3 million
Harkless: 11 million
Thomas: 7.6 million
Total: 80 fucking million dollars
Not next season, not the following season, but three seasons from now for a pu pu platter. But for Frank becoming Giannis 2.0, we will be absolutely terrible. And KP will seriously consider leaving. You simply cannot take on Leonard and Harkless without significant futures coming back.
This trade really doesnt make any sense if it is Melo going to Houston, Houston shedding Anderson (negative value), and Houston not really adding anything. That's just a giveaway to Houston. Oh, and it gets us into WORSE cap shape?
This would make me want to cry if it weren't so damn Knicksian.
Thanks god there are other teams and storylines I can enjoy.
Melo gets traded and Knicks save $10-$15 on cap. What are they going to do with that do they have to use it? I can't imagine how many bad contracts will be signed. I am hoping 1 year deals or 2 year deals with team option in year 2
Melo gets traded and Knicks save $10-$15 on cap. What are they going to do with that do they have to use it? I can't imagine how many bad contracts will be signed. I am hoping 1 year deals or 2 year deals with team option in year 2
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Moe Harkless, among other assets, is headed to New York, as part of the multiple-team trade sending Carmelo Anthony to Houston. #Knicks
harkless + other assets and no leonard. That would be a win for us.
Also knicks have inquired about Bledsoe and Ramon Sessions. Not really interested in either one. Although as long as we didnt trade a future first for bledsoe id be fine with it. Of course i dont see how we get him without including a first which is why my interest is low on him.
Lavar but Lonzo is a stud. Lakers luck strikes again.
Said the the second the sixers passed on ball. The lakers stepped in shit once again. Ball is the best pg in the draft. Probably the best player. People over thought this one.
harkless + other assets and no leonard. That would be a win for us.
Also knicks have inquired about Bledsoe and Ramon Sessions. Not really interested in either one. Although as long as we didnt trade a future first for bledsoe id be fine with it. Of course i dont see how we get him without including a first which is why my interest is low on him.
i wonder if knicks will flip assets with lee to phoenix for bledsoe? has to be hornacek pushing for bledsoe...
I wish Mills would just come out and say "We plan on staying as young and cheap as we can until 2020, when we'll have tons of cap space, and our only contracts will be 28 year old Hardaway, 24 year old KP, 25 year old Willy, 22 year old Frank and 21 year old Doncic."
But they're just going to keep overpaying average players, and our opportunity to make a real splash will go by the wayside.
How do we know this isn't the plan? Mills already outright said they are looking to make the roster younger and more athletic. Let's wait and see what the return on the Melo trade is before we get ahead of ourselves and say the plan is anything other than staying "young and cheap until 2020."
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part is that there's no real plan in place.
I wish Mills would just come out and say "We plan on staying as young and cheap as we can until 2020, when we'll have tons of cap space, and our only contracts will be 28 year old Hardaway, 24 year old KP, 25 year old Willy, 22 year old Frank and 21 year old Doncic."
But they're just going to keep overpaying average players, and our opportunity to make a real splash will go by the wayside.
How do we know this isn't the plan? Mills already outright said they are looking to make the roster younger and more athletic. Let's wait and see what the return on the Melo trade is before we get ahead of ourselves and say the plan is anything other than staying "young and cheap until 2020."
I hope you're right. That is what we should be doing.
I just don't trust this FO to make the right decisions.
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part is that there's no real plan in place.
I wish Mills would just come out and say "We plan on staying as young and cheap as we can until 2020, when we'll have tons of cap space, and our only contracts will be 28 year old Hardaway, 24 year old KP, 25 year old Willy, 22 year old Frank and 21 year old Doncic."
But they're just going to keep overpaying average players, and our opportunity to make a real splash will go by the wayside.
How do we know this isn't the plan? Mills already outright said they are looking to make the roster younger and more athletic. Let's wait and see what the return on the Melo trade is before we get ahead of ourselves and say the plan is anything other than staying "young and cheap until 2020."
I hope you're right. That is what we should be doing.
I just don't trust this FO to make the right decisions.
After we bring on Evan Turner, Meyers Leonard, or some other equally shitty contract in this deal then I'll be shitting on Mills right there along with you.
New Orleans would be giving up 2 1st round picks for Lee and Ryno and to dump the awful contracts of Asik/ Moore/ Hill. Their GM is on the hot seat and they need to win this year in order to keep Cousins.
I know this is beyond wishful thinking, but getting 3 future 1sts for Lee and Melo would be fantastic. And honestly it makes a lot of sense for all 3 teams.
What do you guys think?
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New Orleans would be giving up 2 1st round picks for Lee and Ryno and to dump the awful contracts of Asik/ Moore/ Hill. Their GM is on the hot seat and they need to win this year in order to keep Cousins.
I know this is beyond wishful thinking, but getting 3 future 1sts for Lee and Melo would be fantastic. And honestly it makes a lot of sense for all 3 teams.
What do you guys think? Trade Machine - ( New Window )
Why would the Knicks do this?
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If the Pelicans are interested in getting involved as reported by Berman, I would be trying to take on their bad contracts to get picks. I would also include Lee to sweeten the pot. See the link for the trade. Pelicans would have to send back back 2 future 1sts and the rockets would include a future 1st.
New Orleans would be giving up 2 1st round picks for Lee and Ryno and to dump the awful contracts of Asik/ Moore/ Hill. Their GM is on the hot seat and they need to win this year in order to keep Cousins.
I know this is beyond wishful thinking, but getting 3 future 1sts for Lee and Melo would be fantastic. And honestly it makes a lot of sense for all 3 teams.
What do you guys think? Trade Machine - ( New Window )
Why would the Knicks do this?
2 future 1st round picks from New Orleans and 1 future 1st round pick from Houston.
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If the Pelicans are interested in getting involved as reported by Berman, I would be trying to take on their bad contracts to get picks. I would also include Lee to sweeten the pot. See the link for the trade. Pelicans would have to send back back 2 future 1sts and the rockets would include a future 1st.
New Orleans would be giving up 2 1st round picks for Lee and Ryno and to dump the awful contracts of Asik/ Moore/ Hill. Their GM is on the hot seat and they need to win this year in order to keep Cousins.
I know this is beyond wishful thinking, but getting 3 future 1sts for Lee and Melo would be fantastic. And honestly it makes a lot of sense for all 3 teams.
What do you guys think? Trade Machine - ( New Window )
Why would the Knicks do this?
2 future 1st round picks from New Orleans and 1 future 1st round pick from Houston.
And they take on three brutal contracts.
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If the Pelicans are interested in getting involved as reported by Berman, I would be trying to take on their bad contracts to get picks. I would also include Lee to sweeten the pot. See the link for the trade. Pelicans would have to send back back 2 future 1sts and the rockets would include a future 1st.
New Orleans would be giving up 2 1st round picks for Lee and Ryno and to dump the awful contracts of Asik/ Moore/ Hill. Their GM is on the hot seat and they need to win this year in order to keep Cousins.
I know this is beyond wishful thinking, but getting 3 future 1sts for Lee and Melo would be fantastic. And honestly it makes a lot of sense for all 3 teams.
What do you guys think? Trade Machine - ( New Window )
Why would the Knicks do this?
2 future 1st round picks from New Orleans and 1 future 1st round pick from Houston.
And they take on three brutal contracts.
Carroll is better than all 3 and just returned a 1 and a 2 for his remaining 30 million. Carroll is still a decent player -- would make the rotation of very good teams. LA had to attach Russell to be rid of Moz, and I think Russell would have returned 4 or 5 overall value in this draft, straight up.
These guys suck. Taking on their remaining 90-100 million should return 5 or 6 #1s IMO unless maybe you have really good cause to believe some of the picks will be high.
It's almost like people think you should get LESS for taking back a ton of bad contracts. Nuts.
That's the whole point of my proposed trade. If Melo is going to the Rockets, they are taking back major contracts. Outside of finding some magical expiring 25million dollar contract, theres no other options. I would rather than maximize their picks by just absorbing these bad contracts.
The Rockets get Melo and dump Ryno for one 1st round pick. The Pels turn their garbage contracts and players into two good players that help them. And the Knicks get 3 future 1sts instead of some package of Harkless/ Leonard or whatever else is out there. Give me the picks.
you have to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. You dont get credit for getting younger if you lay waste to the salary cap in the process.
I get why people want to look for the silver lining, but it is what it is.
Well the THJR deal was an overpay. And the Baker deal was an overpay. Both also got options, meaning they get to rob us of the upside.
If you overpay on every deal you're screwed. Also he was part of the front office that made the last round of bad moves. We've seen no evidence that Phil made those moves over Mills' objection.
Knicks are grossly overpaying. There is no explaining the Baker contract. THJR got an offer ATL didnt even consider matching.
And increasingly ok to good teams can bargain shop in the NBA.
And you know what? The Knicks arent going to be good next year. We dont need to be overpaying to get a little bit better. I was okay with the THJR deal, but not if it's gonna be a pattern.
Nothing crazy in here.
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I don't think they should make no moves.
They should make smart moves.
Now they can't make ANY moves because they don't have any cap flexibility.
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Hard pass.
Hard pass.
give him 3 yrs/$45m with a 4th year player option!
- Mills
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Hard pass.
give him 3 yrs/$45m with a 4th year player option!
- Mills
Hahaha.
Noah: 19.3 million
THJR: 18.2 million
Lee: 12.8 million
Leonard: 11.3 million
Harkless: 11 million
Thomas: 7.6 million
Total: 80 fucking million dollars
Not next season, not the following season, but three seasons from now for a pu pu platter. But for Frank becoming Giannis 2.0, we will be absolutely terrible. And KP will seriously consider leaving. You simply cannot take on Leonard and Harkless without significant futures coming back.
This trade really doesnt make any sense if it is Melo going to Houston, Houston shedding Anderson (negative value), and Houston not really adding anything. That's just a giveaway to Houston. Oh, and it gets us into WORSE cap shape?
This would make me want to cry if it weren't so damn Knicksian.
Thanks god there are other teams and storylines I can enjoy.
Phils biggest mistake was not trading rose for Rubio
Rubio would be perfect here.
You're probably wrong. Few teams have cap room left.
Shabazz!!
knowing isola he posted that hoping the knicks and rockets cant get a deal done amd then he can say mills screwed it up...
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Moe Harkless, among other assets, is headed to New York, as part of the multiple-team trade sending Carmelo Anthony to Houston. #Knicks
Also knicks have inquired about Bledsoe and Ramon Sessions. Not really interested in either one. Although as long as we didnt trade a future first for bledsoe id be fine with it. Of course i dont see how we get him without including a first which is why my interest is low on him.
Said the the second the sixers passed on ball. The lakers stepped in shit once again. Ball is the best pg in the draft. Probably the best player. People over thought this one.
Also knicks have inquired about Bledsoe and Ramon Sessions. Not really interested in either one. Although as long as we didnt trade a future first for bledsoe id be fine with it. Of course i dont see how we get him without including a first which is why my interest is low on him.
i wonder if knicks will flip assets with lee to phoenix for bledsoe? has to be hornacek pushing for bledsoe...