tiny bit of leverage in these talks. If we arent getting back extra pieces like Qi or whatever then why make this deal. Just go to CLE and trade him for all expirings like Shump/Frye and move on. You can try to spin shump/frye during the year or whatever. It would be better then taking on crappy deals like Anderson or Leonard.
tiny bit of leverage in these talks. If we arent getting back extra pieces like Qi or whatever then why make this deal. Just go to CLE and trade him for all expirings like Shump/Frye and move on. You can try to spin shump/frye during the year or whatever. It would be better then taking on crappy deals like Anderson or Leonard.
or just tell Houston you want Ariza and Gordon and a pick. Or make it: Melo/Noah for Anderson/Ariza/Gordon. And when they say no just walk away. There's no need to make this trade in July.
but even if he is, Is he twice the salary commitment better?
I think he's probably worth twice as much. Simmons is vastly overrated. This happens all the time with role players on very good teams.
Simmons is not a good shooter at SG, which will cause problems if you try to lean on him for anything. THJR is a lot younger and can therefore be expected to see more improvement, and already wins the advanced stats battles over the last two seasons (THJR vs. JS):
PER: 14.2 vs 10.6
WS48: .106 vs .087
Net o/d rtg: +2 vs. -2
BPM: -.8 vs -1.5
VORP: .9 vs 0.3
THJR had to do it in a tougher situation. Especially last year when that Hawks team was really lacking a playmaker beyond Schroeder. Simmons has generally been more sheltered, having better teammates. On the plus side he held up well in the playoffs.
To me THJR is a class above Simmons. Simmons is 100% a bench guy, with only improbable upside to develop into a starter (or he could start on an overpowered team that can eat a good defensive SG in the lineup, but it would limit them). THJR is a budding starter, or a very good 6th man. One can quibble with 71 million for such a player, but he's better than Simmons.
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RE: Is caldwell-pope a better player? He's the name a few
KCP turned down 80 million over 5 and got made a UFA. He signed a one year deal to try to get back to market next 7/1 as a UFA and get a max deal.
I'd rather have signed the KCP contract because I dont like the bargain we struck with THJR. They're getting the same $$ annually. I think they're players of similar value, but if I was building a team I'd have a preference for KCP. I think he's more of a sure thing because he can always hang his hat on his good D.
RE: RE: Is caldwell-pope a better player? He's the name a few
KCP turned down 80 million over 5 and got made a UFA. He signed a one year deal to try to get back to market next 7/1 as a UFA and get a max deal.
I'd rather have signed the KCP contract because I dont like the bargain we struck with THJR. They're getting the same $$ annually. I think they're players of similar value, but if I was building a team I'd have a preference for KCP. I think he's more of a sure thing because he can always hang his hat on his good D.
To be clear, I'm no fan of the THJ contract but a 1-yr deal for KCP makes little sense. If he plays well, he walks and cashes in on a big payday so for the one season you have him he could improve your win total and the Knicks are a team that is better served getting the highest pick possible. Wouldn't make much sense for them in my opinion but there's certainly a devil's advocate argument one can make.
If we're talking equal years/dollars, I think Hardaway is a better fit next to Frank. Frank will hopefully be a very good defensive player which can mask Hardaway's deficiencies but since it's unlikely he's a guy that can easily create his own shot, putting him next to KCP makes little sense since they share that attribute or lack thereof. Hardaway on the other hand is a threat to score anywhere on the floor and can create his own shot which should open things up for the offense and fit nicely next to Frank in 2 years.
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KCP turned down 80 million over 5 and got made a UFA. He signed a one year deal to try to get back to market next 7/1 as a UFA and get a max deal.
I'd rather have signed the KCP contract because I dont like the bargain we struck with THJR. They're getting the same $$ annually. I think they're players of similar value, but if I was building a team I'd have a preference for KCP. I think he's more of a sure thing because he can always hang his hat on his good D.
To be clear, I'm no fan of the THJ contract but a 1-yr deal for KCP makes little sense. If he plays well, he walks and cashes in on a big payday so for the one season you have him he could improve your win total and the Knicks are a team that is better served getting the highest pick possible. Wouldn't make much sense for them in my opinion but there's certainly a devil's advocate argument one can make.
If we're talking equal years/dollars, I think Hardaway is a better fit next to Frank. Frank will hopefully be a very good defensive player which can mask Hardaway's deficiencies but since it's unlikely he's a guy that can easily create his own shot, putting him next to KCP makes little sense since they share that attribute or lack thereof. Hardaway on the other hand is a threat to score anywhere on the floor and can create his own shot which should open things up for the offense and fit nicely next to Frank in 2 years.
Lakers' plan is to keep the cap space next year in tact. I like the one year deal for KCP, and he'll have a chance to cash in next year with someone else. I think he's a great fit with Lonzo in the back court. This is the first time in a while that I've been optimistic about this season. Lonzo looked like the truth last night.
The Knicks have paused Carmelo Anthony trade talks with Houston and Cleveland, according to ESPN.com.
This probably has a lot to do with the Knicks hiring Scott Perry to be their new general manager. The Knicks aren't really in a rush to get a deal done anyway, especially since the Rockets and Cavs aren't oozing with young talent or draft picks.
Lakers' plan is to keep the cap space next year in tact. I like the one year deal for KCP, and he'll have a chance to cash in next year with someone else. I think he's a great fit with Lonzo in the back court. This is the first time in a while that I've been optimistic about this season. Lonzo looked like the truth last night.
He should make them better, which will paradoxically make them a better UFA draw, even if the UFA displaces him. Basically, my working theory is that UFAs are not very imaginative (or willing to go on hope), and are more interested in going to a team that won the year before rather than projecting how good a team will be once they join.
or just tell Houston you want Ariza and Gordon and a pick. Or make it: Melo/Noah for Anderson/Ariza/Gordon. And when they say no just walk away. There's no need to make this trade in July.
I think he's probably worth twice as much. Simmons is vastly overrated. This happens all the time with role players on very good teams.
Simmons is not a good shooter at SG, which will cause problems if you try to lean on him for anything. THJR is a lot younger and can therefore be expected to see more improvement, and already wins the advanced stats battles over the last two seasons (THJR vs. JS):
PER: 14.2 vs 10.6
WS48: .106 vs .087
Net o/d rtg: +2 vs. -2
BPM: -.8 vs -1.5
VORP: .9 vs 0.3
THJR had to do it in a tougher situation. Especially last year when that Hawks team was really lacking a playmaker beyond Schroeder. Simmons has generally been more sheltered, having better teammates. On the plus side he held up well in the playoffs.
To me THJR is a class above Simmons. Simmons is 100% a bench guy, with only improbable upside to develop into a starter (or he could start on an overpowered team that can eat a good defensive SG in the lineup, but it would limit them). THJR is a budding starter, or a very good 6th man. One can quibble with 71 million for such a player, but he's better than Simmons.
agree as a SG you cannot sacrifice the consistent shooting
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He's a considerably worse scorer and a marginally better defender. All things equal I think I'd rather have THJR
KCP turned down 80 million over 5 and got made a UFA. He signed a one year deal to try to get back to market next 7/1 as a UFA and get a max deal.
I'd rather have signed the KCP contract because I dont like the bargain we struck with THJR. They're getting the same $$ annually. I think they're players of similar value, but if I was building a team I'd have a preference for KCP. I think he's more of a sure thing because he can always hang his hat on his good D.
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People have said they should have waited for.
KCP turned down 80 million over 5 and got made a UFA. He signed a one year deal to try to get back to market next 7/1 as a UFA and get a max deal.
I'd rather have signed the KCP contract because I dont like the bargain we struck with THJR. They're getting the same $$ annually. I think they're players of similar value, but if I was building a team I'd have a preference for KCP. I think he's more of a sure thing because he can always hang his hat on his good D.
To be clear, I'm no fan of the THJ contract but a 1-yr deal for KCP makes little sense. If he plays well, he walks and cashes in on a big payday so for the one season you have him he could improve your win total and the Knicks are a team that is better served getting the highest pick possible. Wouldn't make much sense for them in my opinion but there's certainly a devil's advocate argument one can make.
If we're talking equal years/dollars, I think Hardaway is a better fit next to Frank. Frank will hopefully be a very good defensive player which can mask Hardaway's deficiencies but since it's unlikely he's a guy that can easily create his own shot, putting him next to KCP makes little sense since they share that attribute or lack thereof. Hardaway on the other hand is a threat to score anywhere on the floor and can create his own shot which should open things up for the offense and fit nicely next to Frank in 2 years.
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People have said they should have waited for.
KCP turned down 80 million over 5 and got made a UFA. He signed a one year deal to try to get back to market next 7/1 as a UFA and get a max deal.
I'd rather have signed the KCP contract because I dont like the bargain we struck with THJR. They're getting the same $$ annually. I think they're players of similar value, but if I was building a team I'd have a preference for KCP. I think he's more of a sure thing because he can always hang his hat on his good D.
To be clear, I'm no fan of the THJ contract but a 1-yr deal for KCP makes little sense. If he plays well, he walks and cashes in on a big payday so for the one season you have him he could improve your win total and the Knicks are a team that is better served getting the highest pick possible. Wouldn't make much sense for them in my opinion but there's certainly a devil's advocate argument one can make.
If we're talking equal years/dollars, I think Hardaway is a better fit next to Frank. Frank will hopefully be a very good defensive player which can mask Hardaway's deficiencies but since it's unlikely he's a guy that can easily create his own shot, putting him next to KCP makes little sense since they share that attribute or lack thereof. Hardaway on the other hand is a threat to score anywhere on the floor and can create his own shot which should open things up for the offense and fit nicely next to Frank in 2 years.
Lakers' plan is to keep the cap space next year in tact. I like the one year deal for KCP, and he'll have a chance to cash in next year with someone else. I think he's a great fit with Lonzo in the back court. This is the first time in a while that I've been optimistic about this season. Lonzo looked like the truth last night.
This probably has a lot to do with the Knicks hiring Scott Perry to be their new general manager. The Knicks aren't really in a rush to get a deal done anyway, especially since the Rockets and Cavs aren't oozing with young talent or draft picks.
Not like we were getting some haul in return.
Lakers' plan is to keep the cap space next year in tact. I like the one year deal for KCP, and he'll have a chance to cash in next year with someone else. I think he's a great fit with Lonzo in the back court. This is the first time in a while that I've been optimistic about this season. Lonzo looked like the truth last night.
He should make them better, which will paradoxically make them a better UFA draw, even if the UFA displaces him. Basically, my working theory is that UFAs are not very imaginative (or willing to go on hope), and are more interested in going to a team that won the year before rather than projecting how good a team will be once they join.