I believe that the justice system in the United States is most likely the best in the world. However, it is NOT perfect and it treats the rich and powerful with a completely different gavel and prison system than the common man.
While it's true that every once in awhile a rich and powerful corrupt asshole shitting on the law gets caught and punished (Bernie Madoff and Phil Spector jumps to mind), but it is rare as a copper 1943 penny. And when white collar criminals do get caught stealing millions, they usually end up in a posh private prison complete with all the amenities of home.
Sheldon Silver should spend the rest of his life behind real bars with real hardened criminals - period! The asshole does not deserve freedom to walk the streets
The court ruled that the instructions given the jury regarding the statute under which he was convicted was overly broad, after the McDonnell ruling at SCOTUS. That could probably be handled in a re-trail. Silver is well hated, and there is a good chance he will be re-tried. What makes it all crazy and less certain is that there is no appointed US Attorney to run the case. Who knows anything about Joon Kim, Acting US Attorney? He could either let this go away, or use it to earn his "chops." Given how despised Silver is, I bet on the latter.
it's funny to me, the people complaining that there is something wrong with this country because it's another politician getting off. That's dead wrong. There is something wrong with people who presume guilt because it's a politician.
Deej, Silver was a corrupt monster who greatly damaged NYS taxpayers
it's funny to me, the people complaining that there is something wrong with this country because it's another politician getting off. That's dead wrong. There is something wrong with people who presume guilt because it's a politician.
So let's see what happens when they get appropriate instructions.
RE: RE: The jury was incorrectly on the definition of the crime
it's funny to me, the people complaining that there is something wrong with this country because it's another politician getting off. That's dead wrong. There is something wrong with people who presume guilt because it's a politician.
So let's see what happens when they get appropriate instructions.
Yeah he may get convicted again.
I think a decision like this shows the greatness of the country, not the problems with it. A man (reviled by man) has a right to a fair trial and we'll throw out his conviction if the jury was given the wrong standard by which it was to evaluate his conduct. The contrary response, "he must be guilty of something", is the attitude in countries where rights dont matter.
RE: RE: RE: The jury was incorrectly on the definition of the crime
it's funny to me, the people complaining that there is something wrong with this country because it's another politician getting off. That's dead wrong. There is something wrong with people who presume guilt because it's a politician.
The fact the laws are written by the very politicians who regularly escape punishment for what they should rightly do jail time for is the cause for much frustration and gnashing of teeth. With help from a fairly sleazy USSC decision in McDonnell it's damn near impossible now to convict a politician of corruption. They've got a license to steal and they seem to use it on a daily basis.
Silver is a public figure who committed really awful behaviors in the role of controlling the State through back-room deals that hurt taxpayers, and were ultimately extremely well publicized. Given that, I don't think it's at all inappropriate to make the case that his behavior was immoral, amoral and unethical, and very likely spilled over into the illegal. And yes, the courts need to figure out which was which.
and they talked about the error being in the instructions or definition of crime. How does an ex post facto work? Wasn't the jury acting in accord with the definition at the time of the that specific trial? I think Bruno was overturned because of a definition change too, wasn't he?
On Silver, I think I read that the appeals judge, even as he was overturning the verdict, also said that based on his read of the evidence, Silver was guilty of whatever they want to charge him with.
and they talked about the error being in the instructions or definition of crime. How does an ex post facto work? Wasn't the jury acting in accord with the definition at the time of the that specific trial? I think Bruno was overturned because of a definition change too, wasn't he?
On Silver, I think I read that the appeals judge, even as he was overturning the verdict, also said that based on his read of the evidence, Silver was guilty of whatever they want to charge him with.
The Supreme Court overturned subsequent to the verdict a case on appeal where, I believe, similar instructions were given. Therefore, an appeal is neither ex post facto nor double jeopardy.
While it's true that every once in awhile a rich and powerful corrupt asshole shitting on the law gets caught and punished (Bernie Madoff and Phil Spector jumps to mind), but it is rare as a copper 1943 penny. And when white collar criminals do get caught stealing millions, they usually end up in a posh private prison complete with all the amenities of home.
Sheldon Silver should spend the rest of his life behind real bars with real hardened criminals - period! The asshole does not deserve freedom to walk the streets
So let's see what happens when they get appropriate instructions.
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it's funny to me, the people complaining that there is something wrong with this country because it's another politician getting off. That's dead wrong. There is something wrong with people who presume guilt because it's a politician.
So let's see what happens when they get appropriate instructions.
Yeah he may get convicted again.
I think a decision like this shows the greatness of the country, not the problems with it. A man (reviled by man) has a right to a fair trial and we'll throw out his conviction if the jury was given the wrong standard by which it was to evaluate his conduct. The contrary response, "he must be guilty of something", is the attitude in countries where rights dont matter.
What do you expect from an alt-right guy like manh?
The fact the laws are written by the very politicians who regularly escape punishment for what they should rightly do jail time for is the cause for much frustration and gnashing of teeth. With help from a fairly sleazy USSC decision in McDonnell it's damn near impossible now to convict a politician of corruption. They've got a license to steal and they seem to use it on a daily basis.
My uncle, NYPD Inspector died of 911 related illness and his name was added to the fallen police officers wall in Albany as well as 1 Police Plaza.
Shelly Silver spoke very eloquently that day and although I am not a fan, I was glad he was there.
I was told that the Governor was at a marriage equality rally in Syracuse that day, oh well, always the politician.
Silver is a public figure who committed really awful behaviors in the role of controlling the State through back-room deals that hurt taxpayers, and were ultimately extremely well publicized. Given that, I don't think it's at all inappropriate to make the case that his behavior was immoral, amoral and unethical, and very likely spilled over into the illegal. And yes, the courts need to figure out which was which.
On Silver, I think I read that the appeals judge, even as he was overturning the verdict, also said that based on his read of the evidence, Silver was guilty of whatever they want to charge him with.
On Silver, I think I read that the appeals judge, even as he was overturning the verdict, also said that based on his read of the evidence, Silver was guilty of whatever they want to charge him with.
The Supreme Court overturned subsequent to the verdict a case on appeal where, I believe, similar instructions were given. Therefore, an appeal is neither ex post facto nor double jeopardy.