Some of those are so weak I actually hope they don't spend any time on it. Edmure likely takes over the Riverlands, right? Unfinished business with Arya from Bravos? She paid her debt with a face and was let go freely I thought? A God is supposed to reveal his true identity?
But who is the reincarnated Lord of Light? Melisandre thought it was Stannis then Jon Snow. Thoros thinks its Beric Donderion. The Red priests and priestess in Essos think its Dany. Im saying the "red god" could just end up being a red herring.
Also I will be upset if Jaqen is done with Arya. There must be a reason he let her go. I hope we find out why before the show is over.
Admittedly I threw in the Riverlands and Warlock/Dario to fill in my list a bit. But the Iron Bank is another big subplot I am afraid they will drop.
that the two of them would meet again (the episode where Melisandre takes Gendry from the Brotherhood). I wonder where that meeting is taking place? The trailers placed Melisandre at Dragonstone, which could make for a warm and fuzzy reunion with Jon and Davos.
why Gendry is more important than Edric? and if Edric isn't in the shows then just ignore this or let me know he's not in the shows.
Never read the books and seen the TV series from start to finish (as of season 6) about 5 times now. Never heard the name Edric before.
Although curious, I did a quick google search and saw the TV writers merged Edric's storyline to Gendry's. So they are basically the same person Edric for book readers and Gendry for TV viewers.
Only real difference I read about the two, that Edric since his mother was a noble, was raised with privilege and since Gendry's mother worked in a brothel, he was an unknown bastard.
Outside of those two very different upbringing, they have similar storylines with how they were used by Stannis and Melisandre.
Some of those are so weak I actually hope they don't spend any time on it. Edmure likely takes over the Riverlands, right? Unfinished business with Arya from Bravos? She paid her debt with a face and was let go freely I thought? A God is supposed to reveal his true identity?
But who is the reincarnated Lord of Light? Melisandre thought it was Stannis then Jon Snow. Thoros thinks its Beric Donderion. The Red priests and priestess in Essos think its Dany. Im saying the "red god" could just end up being a red herring.
Also I will be upset if Jaqen is done with Arya. There must be a reason he let her go. I hope we find out why before the show is over.
Admittedly I threw in the Riverlands and Warlock/Dario to fill in my list a bit. But the Iron Bank is another big subplot I am afraid they will drop.
I think it's pretty clear they are leaning towards Jon being "the one" or whatever you want to call it and Melisandre misinterpreted the signs at first with Stannis. She already brought him back from the dead. I think we find out why Beric keeps getting brought back also... Most likely it's because they all have a "role to play in the Great War to come" . I think they've flat out said that actually. Im not sure the God himself needs to be reincarnated.
Jaqen had an affinity for Arya. He saw her grow as a person and finally take ownership of who she was. He wanted her to stay but understood her reasoning. When she finally said "I am Arya Stark of Winterfell" he smiled like he was happy for her. He said a debt must be paid and a face was due and she put a face on the wall. That was one of the best moments of that rather weak storyline IMO. I see no reason why Jaqen needs to come back for her.
What's the deal with the Iron Bank? I know its in debt. Is this really something we want to waste precious minutes on?
but the actor who plays Euron said in an interview that his character goes above and beyond Ramsay Bolton this season as a villain. Perhaps he was just hyping the show or getting carried away, but I can't even fathom the shit he'd have to do to compete with Ramsay.
You would have to imagine a huge "fan favorite" death IMO. What else could it be?
can and should play a massive role moving forward. The Lannisters owe them millions and if not paid the Iron Bank will back and fund their enemy. And with Stannis now dead the deal they made with him they have also lost out on. Them sitting by the wayside makes no sense, they have to broker a deal with someone to try and recoup their losses.
can and should play a massive role moving forward. The Lannisters owe them millions and if not paid the Iron Bank will back and fund their enemy. And with Stannis now dead the deal they made with him they have also lost out on. Them sitting by the wayside makes no sense, they have to broker a deal with someone to try and recoup their losses.
that gets Littlefinger back in the game. He's the one that got the Lannisters in debt in the first place, and is the only one of the remaining players (other than Davos) that has any experience with them. He's also backed by a prominent house/army.
can and should play a massive role moving forward. The Lannisters owe them millions and if not paid the Iron Bank will back and fund their enemy. And with Stannis now dead the deal they made with him they have also lost out on. Them sitting by the wayside makes no sense, they have to broker a deal with someone to try and recoup their losses.
Yeah Tyrion too, though I can't remember if he had direct dealings with them but it's certainly possible that he can scratch up money from Dani to start paying them back.
Book readers: Do you think Euron's gift on the show
can and should play a massive role moving forward. The Lannisters owe them millions and if not paid the Iron Bank will back and fund their enemy. And with Stannis now dead the deal they made with him they have also lost out on. Them sitting by the wayside makes no sense, they have to broker a deal with someone to try and recoup their losses.
Again. This seems like a book "thang". Yeah, they briefly touch on this in Season 1 but it hasn't been a focus of the television series at all. Who's to say there's even going to be any Lannisters left at the end of this? Their focus right now is staying alive. They are surrounded by enemies trying to kill them and if they some how miraculously survive all that (keep in mind these enemies are emotionally driven not financially) they have to still fight in the great war to come. If they start putting precedent on their debts over everything else that's going on right now I think it would actually be pretty annoying. At least in terms of the show and the amount of time they've spent with it. Books I couldn't answer for.
From a show only perspective they make sure that the Iron Bank is a lurking power player. Stannis and Davos sailed the narrow sea to Bravos just to broker a deal
with them. There were numerous mentions in Kings Landing beyond season 1. I could be wrong but wasn't there a scene where one of their reps came out to meet Stannis in the North?
It has more to do with the bank being a surprise ally
Do they even have time to spend on yet another faction? I thought this season was about finally having all the players on the main stage and wrapping it up.
RE: I thought this was the final season split into two parts.
Do they even have time to spend on yet another faction? I thought this season was about finally having all the players on the main stage and wrapping it up.
Yeah same. It just seems like one of those things that might have had one or two clips in the show over 6 seasons that nobody really thinks about or cares about without the context from the books. They did mention it in the show though so maybe it does come up.
I could be wrong but wasn't there a scene where one of their reps came out to meet Stannis in the North?
You might be thinking of the books. Because yes they come to meet Stannis at the Wall in the books, but wind up doing a deal and taking a liking to Jon Snow. Which I don't think is an accident. I don't know if they will come into play again in the show, short of some kind of wrap up. I'm almost positive they will in the books. But I don't think it a coincidence in the books they come away liking Jon Snow.
based on the show. The Iron Bank is owed a massive amount from the Lannisters (season 1 with Littlefinger and then again for the Red Wedding) and also met with Stannis and Davos. They haven't gotten a return on any of these investments.
There doesn't need to be much time spent on it. A representative sent and discussing payment options, new terms, or a threat. And it could be a big tie in to something we don't see coming (as I've alluded to, many here think there's only a couple things happening or going to be happening and that doesn't seem like the show's MO).
Or maybe nothing comes of it. But it's 100% from the show, clear as day.
based on the show. The Iron Bank is owed a massive amount from the Lannisters (season 1 with Littlefinger and then again for the Red Wedding) and also met with Stannis and Davos. They haven't gotten a return on any of these investments.
There doesn't need to be much time spent on it. A representative sent and discussing payment options, new terms, or a threat. And it could be a big tie in to something we don't see coming (as I've alluded to, many here think there's only a couple things happening or going to be happening and that doesn't seem like the show's MO).
Or maybe nothing comes of it. But it's 100% from the show, clear as day.
In the show, the Iron Bank has been a shadow over the throne since season 1 since Ned found out about the debt.
In season 3 Tyrion discovers Baelish has been borrowing more than he reported. from the bank. In season 4 Tywin and Olena talk about how the bank should be feared, plus Stannis gets funding for his Northern expedition. In season 5 Mace Tyrell goes to Brovos to speak with them.
It could all be a red herring, but the show keeps reminding us they are powerful and owed $$ from Kingslanding
Assuming the Iron Bank plot line hasn't simply been dropped...
...we can probably assume the bankers will act like bankers. Even with the end of the world looming, the key question for the moneymen in Braavos will be: which of several bad options is most likely to maximize their recovery (or minimize the damage) from bad assets in Westeros. Their investment in Stannis is a total loss. So, do they go all-in with Cersei in the hope of salvaging the huge Baratheon/Lannister loans, or write off those debts too and hope a better credit ascends the Throne after the Queen sinks?
BTW, I think the Lannisters are currently the only combatants heavily dependent on mercenaries - sorry, George, sellswords. The Unsullied and Dothraki worship their Mhysa/Khaleesi. Jon commands respect and and genuine affection among his Northern bannerman and Wildling allies. The knights of the Vale are a wild card in terms of loyalty and commitment, but their motivation isn't exactly pay-for-play. The Dornish and Ironmen seem happy to follow their assorted commanders, just for the opportunity to fight and f*ck. Meanwhile, as we saw in Arya's last scene, most of Jaime's army just wants to go home. It's not clear how Cersei is even paying/feeding those guys at this point, with Olenna doubtless blocking food shipments from the Reach and the Iron Bank's position unknown.
In season 1, Ned is shocked to learn that the Iron Throne is 6 million Gold Dragons in debt. Half owed to the Lannisters and half to the Iron Bank (not mentioned in the show at the time).
Around season 4, Tywin tell Cersi, that after the Royal Wedding (which the Tyrell's paid half of the cost), War of the 5 Kings and other war time spending. That the Iron Throne drastically added to their debts to the Iron Bank to astronomical levels. Plus on top of all that, the gold in the Westerland gold mines had run dry 3 years ago.
In season 5, after Tywin's death, the Iron Bank recalls the Iron Throne to pay back a tenth of the debt they own. Although Mace Tyrell as the new Master of Coin tells the small council that they only have half that amount .... basically they just have 1/20 of the amount owned. Mace offered to loan the crown funds to help keep the Bank from escalating affairs but Cersi declines that offer and instead sends Mace to Braavos to negotiate a new deal with the Bank.
So let's say at this time, the Iron Thorne is in debt roughly around 8 million Gold Dragons with no way to repay them. If Mace Tyrell was correct, they only have 1/20 that amount left in reserves, so roughly just around 400,000 Gold Dragons.
Then add to that the money that Stannis borrowed, now to say that the Iron Bank now has roughly 10 million Gold Dragons invested in whoever will be sitting on the Iron Throne......with no way to regain those loans with Stannis dead and the Lannister gold mines run dry.
You would expect, on the TV Series, that the Iron Bank would eventually live up to their slogan "the Iron Bank will have its due". I'd be disappointed if we don't see any more of the Iron Bank, even if it's just another scene or two, in the remaining 12 episodes.
Speaking of Arya's last scene with the Lannister soldiers...
...I think what we saw there was the start of the showrunners restoring her humanity. There was still a glimmer - that's why she spared Walder's wife. The scene in the Riverlands was a step toward nurturing that glimmer. I agree that meeting Nymeria will help reconnect her with the little girl from Season One and direct her - emotionally if not geographically - toward reconnecting with her siblings (or half-sibling/cousin, in Jon's case).
I'm not sure Arya makes it to the end of the story; but I do expect the show-runners to at least reunite her with Sansa and Jon before the Long Night descends.
Reestablish the relationship Jon and Arya have for the audience. They did great with it in season 1. Now that everything seems to be coming around full circle I hope they remind the audience of just how close these two people are.
Bran knows that when the Night King touched him in his vision and left a mark on Bran's arm, that negated the magic protecting the Three Eyed Ravens home.
Knowing this, does Bran know if he enters the Wall, that will also negate the Wall's magic in preventing the Night King from crossing the Wall or possibly bringing it down?
If he does, tough decision to make whether to cross the Wall or not. He'd for certain would have died if he didn't cross the Wall. Although by crossing, he possibly doomed everyone south of the Wall, with Winterfell first in the Night Kings sights.
Reestablish the relationship Jon and Arya have for the audience. They did great with it in season 1. Now that everything seems to be coming around full circle I hope they remind the audience of just how close these two people are.
Agreed. I think that will happen, and I also think we'll see a reconciliation between Arya and Sansa, whose relationship in Season One was mostly mutual contempt. Meeting up with Nymeria would advance the Arya-Sansa story in a couple of ways. For one thing, the events that separated Arya and her direwolf were the same ones that made the estrangement between the sisters pretty much irreparable. And thematically, reassembling the wolfpack, as Winter falls, is a pretty big deal for the Starks. If anything in the Riverlands can convince Arya that there's more to life than revenge, it's this face.
A whole heck of a lot more about the debt than me. Nice breakdown. I definitely won't mind if it comes back into play... my meaning all along was that I just hope they don't spend a lot of time on it. There's just not that much time left and I'd hate to spend a bunch of time watching them figuring out how to pay back money. Boring...
A whole heck of a lot more about the debt than me. Nice breakdown. I definitely won't mind if it comes back into play... my meaning all along was that I just hope they don't spend a lot of time on it. There's just not that much time left and I'd hate to spend a bunch of time watching them figuring out how to pay back money. Boring...
I think it's more likely to play out (if it even does) by the bankers from Braavosi throwing their support (money for sellswords, ships, etc) behind one side rather than having long meetings/discussions about how to pay off the debt.
A whole heck of a lot more about the debt than me. Nice breakdown. I definitely won't mind if it comes back into play... my meaning all along was that I just hope they don't spend a lot of time on it. There's just not that much time left and I'd hate to spend a bunch of time watching them figuring out how to pay back money. Boring...
I don't think they will spend that much time on it, I'm just expecting a few scenes over the next 12 episodes to show EXACTLY why you don't mess with the Iron Bank.
If the Iron Bank can't collect from either Tywin or Stannis, since they are both dead, I wonder if they would hold accountable the middle men that helped broker those bad debts. I can see the Iron Bank make an example of either Littlefinger (brokering deals for the Lannister's and Iron Throne) or Davos (brokering deal for Stannis).
Might help explain if Jaqen H'ghar makes another appearance in Westeros, as the Iron Bank might pay the Faceless Men to make an example of the people who were responsible for those bad debt.
A whole heck of a lot more about the debt than me. Nice breakdown. I definitely won't mind if it comes back into play... my meaning all along was that I just hope they don't spend a lot of time on it. There's just not that much time left and I'd hate to spend a bunch of time watching them figuring out how to pay back money. Boring...
I don't think they will spend that much time on it, I'm just expecting a few scenes over the next 12 episodes to show EXACTLY why you don't mess with the Iron Bank.
If the Iron Bank can't collect from either Tywin or Stannis, since they are both dead, I wonder if they would hold accountable the middle men that helped broker those bad debts. I can see the Iron Bank make an example of either Littlefinger (brokering deals for the Lannister's and Iron Throne) or Davos (brokering deal for Stannis).
Might help explain if Jaqen H'ghar makes another appearance in Westeros, as the Iron Bank might pay the Faceless Men to make an example of the people who were responsible for those bad debt.
That's what I was thinking. Its really only going to need a few scenes, and that's something that can easily be fit in an episode.
The latest batch of photos suggest Arya might be going to Riverrun.
The link seems to show her riding up to the Inn of the Kneeling Man. That happens to be Hot Pie's last known place of employment, so Nymeria might not be the only old friend Arya encounters this week. The inn is also on the River Road, not the King's Road, which puts Arya on a path to her mother's home, rather than the Capitol. Not sure what would steer her in that direction, or even what the status of Riverrun might be, with every Frey of consequence rotting at the Twins. I would expect it to still be garrisoned by Lannister/Frey soldiers, no?
Maybe I'm mixing up the books and the show, and that's actually the Inn at the Crossroads (a landmark on the way to King's Laning). Or maybe the photo means nothing, and the showrunners just re-used an old set from Season Three.
The link seems to show her riding up to the Inn of the Kneeling Man. That happens to be Hot Pie's last known place of employment, so Nymeria might not be the only old friend Arya encounters this week. The inn is also on the River Road, not the King's Road, which puts Arya on a path to her mother's home, rather than the Capitol. Not sure what would steer her in that direction, or even what the status of Riverrun might be, with every Frey of consequence rotting at the Twins. I would expect it to still be garrisoned by Lannister/Frey soldiers, no?
Maybe I'm mixing up the books and the show, and that's actually the Inn at the Crossroads (a landmark on the way to King's Laning). Or maybe the photo means nothing, and the showrunners just re-used an old set from Season Three. Arya at the Inn of the Kneeling Man... or Not. - ( New Window )
Was Edmure being held at Riverrun or the Twins?
I forget how much Arya knows about her family's whereabouts. She knows Jon is alive in the north in some capacity. Does she know Sansa is out of King's Landing? Did she hear about Bran and Rickon before she left for Bravos? If she's in the dark about all of the above, then uncle Edmure might be her best strategy.
to care about Jon or Sansa, or even Bran. Presuming that a few years have gone, it feels that although she's still consumed by the wanting for vengeance there isn't much sense of loneliness I get from her. If there's ever even going to be one, I think Arya at this point would be indifferent to a Stark family reunion.
to care about Jon or Sansa, or even Bran. Presuming that a few years have gone, it feels that although she's still consumed by the wanting for vengeance there isn't much sense of loneliness I get from her. If there's ever even going to be one, I think Arya at this point would be indifferent to a Stark family reunion.
I disagree. She would love a reunion. I don't think she's "gone" at all...
RE: The latest batch of photos suggest Arya might be going to Riverrun.
The link seems to show her riding up to the Inn of the Kneeling Man. That happens to be Hot Pie's last known place of employment, so Nymeria might not be the only old friend Arya encounters this week. The inn is also on the River Road, not the King's Road, which puts Arya on a path to her mother's home, rather than the Capitol. Not sure what would steer her in that direction, or even what the status of Riverrun might be, with every Frey of consequence rotting at the Twins. I would expect it to still be garrisoned by Lannister/Frey soldiers, no?
Maybe I'm mixing up the books and the show, and that's actually the Inn at the Crossroads (a landmark on the way to King's Laning). Or maybe the photo means nothing, and the showrunners just re-used an old set from Season Three. Arya at the Inn of the Kneeling Man... or Not. - ( New Window )
I could be wrong, but I think the Crossroads Inn is the only one shown on the show (aside from whatever Inn the Hound and Arya killed Polliver & Co.). Crossroads is the only inn I've heard of as non book-reader. Plus, right after Brienne & Pod came accross Hot Pie they had to decide on going North or East to the Erie, which would indicate Hot Pie was at Crossroads.
Anyway you seem to be right about Arya at the Inn, in that screenshot. The door looks just like the one from when she said her goodbyes to Hot Pie. Maybe they just reused a set or location, but I doubt it.
The link seems to show her riding up to the Inn of the Kneeling Man. That happens to be Hot Pie's last known place of employment, so Nymeria might not be the only old friend Arya encounters this week. The inn is also on the River Road, not the King's Road, which puts Arya on a path to her mother's home, rather than the Capitol. Not sure what would steer her in that direction, or even what the status of Riverrun might be, with every Frey of consequence rotting at the Twins. I would expect it to still be garrisoned by Lannister/Frey soldiers, no?
Maybe I'm mixing up the books and the show, and that's actually the Inn at the Crossroads (a landmark on the way to King's Laning). Or maybe the photo means nothing, and the showrunners just re-used an old set from Season Three. Arya at the Inn of the Kneeling Man... or Not. - ( New Window )
I could be wrong, but I think the Crossroads Inn is the only one shown on the show (aside from whatever Inn the Hound and Arya killed Polliver & Co.). Crossroads is the only inn I've heard of as non book-reader. Plus, right after Brienne & Pod came accross Hot Pie they had to decide on going North or East to the Erie, which would indicate Hot Pie was at Crossroads.
Anyway you seem to be right about Arya at the Inn, in that screenshot. The door looks just like the one from when she said her goodbyes to Hot Pie. Maybe they just reused a set or location, but I doubt it.
It could lead to a big moment for Arya this week. If she does come across Hot Pie and/or Nymeria at the Crossroads Inn, maybe she will get home sick, or learn of Jon and Sansa, and decide to turn North instead of South to Kings Landing.
Some of those are so weak I actually hope they don't spend any time on it. Edmure likely takes over the Riverlands, right? Unfinished business with Arya from Bravos? She paid her debt with a face and was let go freely I thought? A God is supposed to reveal his true identity?
But who is the reincarnated Lord of Light? Melisandre thought it was Stannis then Jon Snow. Thoros thinks its Beric Donderion. The Red priests and priestess in Essos think its Dany. Im saying the "red god" could just end up being a red herring.
Also I will be upset if Jaqen is done with Arya. There must be a reason he let her go. I hope we find out why before the show is over.
Admittedly I threw in the Riverlands and Warlock/Dario to fill in my list a bit. But the Iron Bank is another big subplot I am afraid they will drop.
Perhaps they'll have to fight multi-front wars, with the Iron Bank introduced as a wild card/spoiler.
RE: RE: I believe Euron will use something in his possesion
But who is the reincarnated Lord of Light? Melisandre thought it was Stannis then Jon Snow. Thoros thinks its Beric Donderion. The Red priests and priestess in Essos think its Dany. Im saying the "red god" could just end up being a red herring.
Also I will be upset if Jaqen is done with Arya. There must be a reason he let her go. I hope we find out why before the show is over.
Admittedly I threw in the Riverlands and Warlock/Dario to fill in my list a bit. But the Iron Bank is another big subplot I am afraid they will drop.
Never read the books and seen the TV series from start to finish (as of season 6) about 5 times now. Never heard the name Edric before.
Although curious, I did a quick google search and saw the TV writers merged Edric's storyline to Gendry's. So they are basically the same person Edric for book readers and Gendry for TV viewers.
Outside of those two very different upbringing, they have similar storylines with how they were used by Stannis and Melisandre.
Robert had many bastards like Gendry, is he the only one the show mentions?
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Some of those are so weak I actually hope they don't spend any time on it. Edmure likely takes over the Riverlands, right? Unfinished business with Arya from Bravos? She paid her debt with a face and was let go freely I thought? A God is supposed to reveal his true identity?
But who is the reincarnated Lord of Light? Melisandre thought it was Stannis then Jon Snow. Thoros thinks its Beric Donderion. The Red priests and priestess in Essos think its Dany. Im saying the "red god" could just end up being a red herring.
Also I will be upset if Jaqen is done with Arya. There must be a reason he let her go. I hope we find out why before the show is over.
Admittedly I threw in the Riverlands and Warlock/Dario to fill in my list a bit. But the Iron Bank is another big subplot I am afraid they will drop.
I think it's pretty clear they are leaning towards Jon being "the one" or whatever you want to call it and Melisandre misinterpreted the signs at first with Stannis. She already brought him back from the dead. I think we find out why Beric keeps getting brought back also... Most likely it's because they all have a "role to play in the Great War to come" . I think they've flat out said that actually. Im not sure the God himself needs to be reincarnated.
Jaqen had an affinity for Arya. He saw her grow as a person and finally take ownership of who she was. He wanted her to stay but understood her reasoning. When she finally said "I am Arya Stark of Winterfell" he smiled like he was happy for her. He said a debt must be paid and a face was due and she put a face on the wall. That was one of the best moments of that rather weak storyline IMO. I see no reason why Jaqen needs to come back for her.
What's the deal with the Iron Bank? I know its in debt. Is this really something we want to waste precious minutes on?
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So there has to be some sort of meaning behind it.
Robert had many bastards like Gendry, is he the only one the show mentions?
All of the bastards are killed. Cersei and Joffrey had them all killed. He is the only one thought to be remaining.
You would have to imagine a huge "fan favorite" death IMO. What else could it be?
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can and should play a massive role moving forward. The Lannisters owe them millions and if not paid the Iron Bank will back and fund their enemy. And with Stannis now dead the deal they made with him they have also lost out on. Them sitting by the wayside makes no sense, they have to broker a deal with someone to try and recoup their losses.
Yeah Tyrion too, though I can't remember if he had direct dealings with them but it's certainly possible that he can scratch up money from Dani to start paying them back.
Yea, I think that has to be right.
Also have to remember that Bran will more than likely warg into one of the dragons to fulfill his destiny of flying.
Again. This seems like a book "thang". Yeah, they briefly touch on this in Season 1 but it hasn't been a focus of the television series at all. Who's to say there's even going to be any Lannisters left at the end of this? Their focus right now is staying alive. They are surrounded by enemies trying to kill them and if they some how miraculously survive all that (keep in mind these enemies are emotionally driven not financially) they have to still fight in the great war to come. If they start putting precedent on their debts over everything else that's going on right now I think it would actually be pretty annoying. At least in terms of the show and the amount of time they've spent with it. Books I couldn't answer for.
with them. There were numerous mentions in Kings Landing beyond season 1. I could be wrong but wasn't there a scene where one of their reps came out to meet Stannis in the North?
Yeah same. It just seems like one of those things that might have had one or two clips in the show over 6 seasons that nobody really thinks about or cares about without the context from the books. They did mention it in the show though so maybe it does come up.
You might be thinking of the books. Because yes they come to meet Stannis at the Wall in the books, but wind up doing a deal and taking a liking to Jon Snow. Which I don't think is an accident. I don't know if they will come into play again in the show, short of some kind of wrap up. I'm almost positive they will in the books. But I don't think it a coincidence in the books they come away liking Jon Snow.
There doesn't need to be much time spent on it. A representative sent and discussing payment options, new terms, or a threat. And it could be a big tie in to something we don't see coming (as I've alluded to, many here think there's only a couple things happening or going to be happening and that doesn't seem like the show's MO).
Or maybe nothing comes of it. But it's 100% from the show, clear as day.
There doesn't need to be much time spent on it. A representative sent and discussing payment options, new terms, or a threat. And it could be a big tie in to something we don't see coming (as I've alluded to, many here think there's only a couple things happening or going to be happening and that doesn't seem like the show's MO).
Or maybe nothing comes of it. But it's 100% from the show, clear as day.
In the show, the Iron Bank has been a shadow over the throne since season 1 since Ned found out about the debt.
In season 3 Tyrion discovers Baelish has been borrowing more than he reported. from the bank. In season 4 Tywin and Olena talk about how the bank should be feared, plus Stannis gets funding for his Northern expedition. In season 5 Mace Tyrell goes to Brovos to speak with them.
It could all be a red herring, but the show keeps reminding us they are powerful and owed $$ from Kingslanding
BTW, I think the Lannisters are currently the only combatants heavily dependent on mercenaries - sorry, George, sellswords. The Unsullied and Dothraki worship their Mhysa/Khaleesi. Jon commands respect and and genuine affection among his Northern bannerman and Wildling allies. The knights of the Vale are a wild card in terms of loyalty and commitment, but their motivation isn't exactly pay-for-play. The Dornish and Ironmen seem happy to follow their assorted commanders, just for the opportunity to fight and f*ck. Meanwhile, as we saw in Arya's last scene, most of Jaime's army just wants to go home. It's not clear how Cersei is even paying/feeding those guys at this point, with Olenna doubtless blocking food shipments from the Reach and the Iron Bank's position unknown.
Around season 4, Tywin tell Cersi, that after the Royal Wedding (which the Tyrell's paid half of the cost), War of the 5 Kings and other war time spending. That the Iron Throne drastically added to their debts to the Iron Bank to astronomical levels. Plus on top of all that, the gold in the Westerland gold mines had run dry 3 years ago.
In season 5, after Tywin's death, the Iron Bank recalls the Iron Throne to pay back a tenth of the debt they own. Although Mace Tyrell as the new Master of Coin tells the small council that they only have half that amount .... basically they just have 1/20 of the amount owned. Mace offered to loan the crown funds to help keep the Bank from escalating affairs but Cersi declines that offer and instead sends Mace to Braavos to negotiate a new deal with the Bank.
So let's say at this time, the Iron Thorne is in debt roughly around 8 million Gold Dragons with no way to repay them. If Mace Tyrell was correct, they only have 1/20 that amount left in reserves, so roughly just around 400,000 Gold Dragons.
Then add to that the money that Stannis borrowed, now to say that the Iron Bank now has roughly 10 million Gold Dragons invested in whoever will be sitting on the Iron Throne......with no way to regain those loans with Stannis dead and the Lannister gold mines run dry.
You would expect, on the TV Series, that the Iron Bank would eventually live up to their slogan "the Iron Bank will have its due". I'd be disappointed if we don't see any more of the Iron Bank, even if it's just another scene or two, in the remaining 12 episodes.
I'm not sure Arya makes it to the end of the story; but I do expect the show-runners to at least reunite her with Sansa and Jon before the Long Night descends.
Knowing this, does Bran know if he enters the Wall, that will also negate the Wall's magic in preventing the Night King from crossing the Wall or possibly bringing it down?
If he does, tough decision to make whether to cross the Wall or not. He'd for certain would have died if he didn't cross the Wall. Although by crossing, he possibly doomed everyone south of the Wall, with Winterfell first in the Night Kings sights.
I think it's more likely to play out (if it even does) by the bankers from Braavosi throwing their support (money for sellswords, ships, etc) behind one side rather than having long meetings/discussions about how to pay off the debt.
I don't think they will spend that much time on it, I'm just expecting a few scenes over the next 12 episodes to show EXACTLY why you don't mess with the Iron Bank.
If the Iron Bank can't collect from either Tywin or Stannis, since they are both dead, I wonder if they would hold accountable the middle men that helped broker those bad debts. I can see the Iron Bank make an example of either Littlefinger (brokering deals for the Lannister's and Iron Throne) or Davos (brokering deal for Stannis).
Might help explain if Jaqen H'ghar makes another appearance in Westeros, as the Iron Bank might pay the Faceless Men to make an example of the people who were responsible for those bad debt.
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A whole heck of a lot more about the debt than me. Nice breakdown. I definitely won't mind if it comes back into play... my meaning all along was that I just hope they don't spend a lot of time on it. There's just not that much time left and I'd hate to spend a bunch of time watching them figuring out how to pay back money. Boring...
I don't think they will spend that much time on it, I'm just expecting a few scenes over the next 12 episodes to show EXACTLY why you don't mess with the Iron Bank.
If the Iron Bank can't collect from either Tywin or Stannis, since they are both dead, I wonder if they would hold accountable the middle men that helped broker those bad debts. I can see the Iron Bank make an example of either Littlefinger (brokering deals for the Lannister's and Iron Throne) or Davos (brokering deal for Stannis).
Might help explain if Jaqen H'ghar makes another appearance in Westeros, as the Iron Bank might pay the Faceless Men to make an example of the people who were responsible for those bad debt.
That's what I was thinking. Its really only going to need a few scenes, and that's something that can easily be fit in an episode.
Maybe I'm mixing up the books and the show, and that's actually the Inn at the Crossroads (a landmark on the way to King's Laning). Or maybe the photo means nothing, and the showrunners just re-used an old set from Season Three.
Arya at the Inn of the Kneeling Man... or Not. - ( New Window )
Maybe I'm mixing up the books and the show, and that's actually the Inn at the Crossroads (a landmark on the way to King's Laning). Or maybe the photo means nothing, and the showrunners just re-used an old set from Season Three. Arya at the Inn of the Kneeling Man... or Not. - ( New Window )
Was Edmure being held at Riverrun or the Twins?
I forget how much Arya knows about her family's whereabouts. She knows Jon is alive in the north in some capacity. Does she know Sansa is out of King's Landing? Did she hear about Bran and Rickon before she left for Bravos? If she's in the dark about all of the above, then uncle Edmure might be her best strategy.
I disagree. She would love a reunion. I don't think she's "gone" at all...
Maybe I'm mixing up the books and the show, and that's actually the Inn at the Crossroads (a landmark on the way to King's Laning). Or maybe the photo means nothing, and the showrunners just re-used an old set from Season Three. Arya at the Inn of the Kneeling Man... or Not. - ( New Window )
I could be wrong, but I think the Crossroads Inn is the only one shown on the show (aside from whatever Inn the Hound and Arya killed Polliver & Co.). Crossroads is the only inn I've heard of as non book-reader. Plus, right after Brienne & Pod came accross Hot Pie they had to decide on going North or East to the Erie, which would indicate Hot Pie was at Crossroads.
Anyway you seem to be right about Arya at the Inn, in that screenshot. The door looks just like the one from when she said her goodbyes to Hot Pie. Maybe they just reused a set or location, but I doubt it.
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The link seems to show her riding up to the Inn of the Kneeling Man. That happens to be Hot Pie's last known place of employment, so Nymeria might not be the only old friend Arya encounters this week. The inn is also on the River Road, not the King's Road, which puts Arya on a path to her mother's home, rather than the Capitol. Not sure what would steer her in that direction, or even what the status of Riverrun might be, with every Frey of consequence rotting at the Twins. I would expect it to still be garrisoned by Lannister/Frey soldiers, no?
Maybe I'm mixing up the books and the show, and that's actually the Inn at the Crossroads (a landmark on the way to King's Laning). Or maybe the photo means nothing, and the showrunners just re-used an old set from Season Three. Arya at the Inn of the Kneeling Man... or Not. - ( New Window )
I could be wrong, but I think the Crossroads Inn is the only one shown on the show (aside from whatever Inn the Hound and Arya killed Polliver & Co.). Crossroads is the only inn I've heard of as non book-reader. Plus, right after Brienne & Pod came accross Hot Pie they had to decide on going North or East to the Erie, which would indicate Hot Pie was at Crossroads.
Anyway you seem to be right about Arya at the Inn, in that screenshot. The door looks just like the one from when she said her goodbyes to Hot Pie. Maybe they just reused a set or location, but I doubt it.
It could lead to a big moment for Arya this week. If she does come across Hot Pie and/or Nymeria at the Crossroads Inn, maybe she will get home sick, or learn of Jon and Sansa, and decide to turn North instead of South to Kings Landing.
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and Sansa is 5'9. Had no idea John was that short. I guess that explains it.
5'8" is even debated. That's what he measured at his pro day. He's probably 5'6" at the combine.
Depends on whether you measure from the root, or the taint.
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Some of those are so weak I actually hope they don't spend any time on it. Edmure likely takes over the Riverlands, right? Unfinished business with Arya from Bravos? She paid her debt with a face and was let go freely I thought? A God is supposed to reveal his true identity?
But who is the reincarnated Lord of Light? Melisandre thought it was Stannis then Jon Snow. Thoros thinks its Beric Donderion. The Red priests and priestess in Essos think its Dany. Im saying the "red god" could just end up being a red herring.
Also I will be upset if Jaqen is done with Arya. There must be a reason he let her go. I hope we find out why before the show is over.
Admittedly I threw in the Riverlands and Warlock/Dario to fill in my list a bit. But the Iron Bank is another big subplot I am afraid they will drop.
Perhaps they'll have to fight multi-front wars, with the Iron Bank introduced as a wild card/spoiler.
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To acquire the gift. It will be something big, has to be just to level the playing field a little.
Yea, I think that has to be right.
Also have to remember that Bran will more than likely warg into one of the dragons to fulfill his destiny of flying.
The Raven can't fly?
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Winterfell is south of the wall. They are north. I actually counted three with the Knights King.
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