One seemingly likely scenario is that Cousins gets the transition tag from the Redskins. If they do not match the offer, the team doesn't get directly compensated. Though, depending upon their FAs signed and the presumed high dollar amount of the contract, they will almost assuredly receive a compensatory draft pick(s).
I was wondering what this might amount too and having skimmed through the rules the *maximum* compensation a team can receive is 4 picks.
Transition tag would cost them 28 million if no one signs him. That means they would have paid him 70+ million for 3 years. They would look like complete fools for not getting a deal done.
The bottom line is, Cousins has lost his top 2 targets and his O coordinator. If he plays just as well this year as he did last year he will break the bank next year. If he struggles then the tag is mute.
Transition tag would cost them 28 million if no one signs him. That means they would have paid him 70+ million for 3 years. They would look like complete fools for not getting a deal done.
And if there's one thing that never makes Dan Snyder look like a fool, it's running the Washington NFL team.
Cousins is good. QBs need to be paid.
Cousins is good. QBs need to be paid.
Cousins is horrendous. Guy folds whenever there's a big situation going on, I hope they keep him, for our sake. He stinks.
Can anybody confirm they saw the same?
Can anybody confirm they saw the same?
he's played very well since becoming the starter. Underrated mobility and he can throw as good a deep ball any anybody ...
the "horrendous" commentary is a joke. the skins would be dumb to let him walk as he enters his prime.
shame he folds up all the time
No one. And I mean no one is giving Cousins 125 million. The guy is Andy Dalton at best. Washington is in no man's land. They don't have anyone else and don't want to let him go and tank.
If it wasn't for the new idiocy of the media w their new Prescott fetish I'd state he was the most over rated player in the NFL. He's good solid QB. 125 million QB, if he is then no one here should ever whine about what Eli gets.
No one. And I mean no one is giving Cousins 125 million. The guy is Andy Dalton at best. Washington is in no man's land. They don't have anyone else and don't want to let him go and tank.
If it wasn't for the new idiocy of the media w their new Prescott fetish I'd state he was the most over rated player in the NFL. He's good solid QB. 125 million QB, if he is then no one here should ever whine about what Eli gets.
If he has a decent year....He will get the 125M...or more. Derek Carr signed a 5yr/125m and Cousins has better stats than Carr. That is crazy money for one guy...but WTF are you going to do. It is the going price for a decent QB.
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that he will command 5 years/$125 million on the open market, with possibly $50 million guaranteed. That's simply the cost of doing business with a starting caliber NFL quarterback, these days. If the Redskins think he'll settle for less, it's a pipe dream.
No one. And I mean no one is giving Cousins 125 million. The guy is Andy Dalton at best. Washington is in no man's land. They don't have anyone else and don't want to let him go and tank.
If it wasn't for the new idiocy of the media w their new Prescott fetish I'd state he was the most over rated player in the NFL. He's good solid QB. 125 million QB, if he is then no one here should ever whine about what Eli gets.
Well Dalton got $96M and that was back in 2014 and he wasn't even a FA. Alex Smith got $17M per season before the 2015 season and you could pretty easily argue that Cousins is better than him. So the absolute floor for Cousins is probably 5 years/$100M ($20M per). Throw in the fact that there are a number of QB needy teams and that above average QBs almost never hit FA, and a bidding war could certainly push him up to the $25M per season range.
If he has a decent year....He will get the 125M...or more. Derek Carr signed a 5yr/125m and Cousins has better stats than Carr. That is crazy money for one guy...but WTF are you going to do. It is the going price for a decent QB.
Agreed, and it will be due largely to Bruce Allen's incompetence if the Skins sign him to a deal like that. Cousins holds ALL of the leverage. He knows DC can't afford to franchise him again, so he should keep saying no to anything they offer. $125 mill will be his starting point, so if DC wants to keep him, he'll almost certainly cost more.
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No one. And I mean no one is giving Cousins 125 million. The guy is Andy Dalton at best. Washington is in no man's land. They don't have anyone else and don't want to let him go and tank.
If it wasn't for the new idiocy of the media w their new Prescott fetish I'd state he was the most over rated player in the NFL. He's good solid QB. 125 million QB, if he is then no one here should ever whine about what Eli gets.
If he has a decent year....He will get the 125M...or more. Derek Carr signed a 5yr/125m and Cousins has better stats than Carr. That is crazy money for one guy...but WTF are you going to do. It is the going price for a decent QB.
Again maybe this is an opinion but I bet there isn't one GM in the NFL
who would pick Cousins over Carr. Stats impress the fantasy crowd. I don't dislike Cousins but he's never impressed me a top tier
Guy who Carries a team.
But Carr isn't going to be available and Cousins very well could be. A team like the Texans (top 3 defense, legit offensive weapons with Hopkins/Miller) would easily pay $20M for Cousins (look at what they paid for Osweiler!).
So what happens if he has a "good" year(good being defined by which NFL GM is desperate for a qb)?
As others have mentioned, to franchise him again, it will cost 34M...the transition tag would be 28M, with no compensation.....
The Skins needed to make a decision last season....now it is costing them.....no way, he makes life easy for the Skins, if he has a "good" year....
I'm glad the skins are being dumb, and Cousins will sign somewhere else, and they will have to start all over again at the position.
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I'm just looking forward to how Washington screws this up ...
Cousins is good. QBs need to be paid.
Cousins is horrendous. Guy folds whenever there's a big situation going on, I hope they keep him, for our sake. He stinks.
Define stinks?
Anyone who thinks he's just stats is being ridiculous.
and if he hits free agency, he's going to break the bank - because he's a good QB, and those are quite valuable
see Osweiler, Brock ... or this year's 1st round to see how much teams are willing to overpay. for a potential starting QB.
and if he hits free agency, he's going to break the bank - because he's a good QB, and those are quite valuable
see Osweiler, Brock ... or this year's 1st round to see how much teams are willing to overpay. for a potential starting QB.
We'd be lucky if it's a QB of Cousins' caliber but on his rookie deal. You are going to be paying Cousins superstar money for nothing close to a superstar player. While I have no plan for the Skins without Cousins I know they will be cap strong with high draft picks within a year or two. With Cousins they are likely mediocre for the duration of his contract. Simple decision for me.
Hopefully, Washington will roll the truck back for him.
I love the guys who crap on stats until it props up an argument for a guy like Cousins. Then they become the be-all end-all of discussion. Cousins is a decent QB who will be a steady performer. He'll have some good games and he'll have some bad games. He still stares down WR's and regresses in the big games. You want to pay him like a franchise guy - be my guest. As long as it isn't us, we come out ahead.
Hopefully, Washington will roll the truck back for him.
I love the guys who crap on stats until it props up an argument for a guy like Cousins. Then they become the be-all end-all of discussion. Cousins is a decent QB who will be a steady performer. He'll have some good games and he'll have some bad games. He still stares down WR's and regresses in the big games. You want to pay him like a franchise guy - be my guest. As long as it isn't us, we come out ahead.
The problem is they've backed themselves into a corner by franchising him last year and daring him to repeat his 2015 performance. Then he went out and topped it giving the Skins no leverage whatsoever. Back-to-back strong seasons prove he's not a flash in the pan (Foles, Osweiler, etc), he's one of the highest paid QBs for 2017, and the tag rules make it virtually impossible for them to tag him a 3rd time. Even the transition tag is a stretch. And if they don't extend Cousins, they then have a gaping hole at the most crucial position again and will likely be drafting to late in the first to get one of the premium prospects.
And I assume Cousins and his agent know what a QB of his caliber (probably in the 10-12 range when ranking QBs) would get on the open market. Mike Glennon signed for $15M per over 3 years and he's a bottom 5 starter (if that). When's the last time a QB even close to his level hit FA? There's really no precedent for a solid, young QB entering his prime hitting FA.
That is hilarious. It's such a redskins thing to do.
Franchising him after this year is out of the question. A 3rd franchise tag would cost the Skins $34 mill in 2018, no one in their right mind is paying that. He's a flawed player, but who else are they going to get? He has the Skins over a barrel, and Carr's contract is the starting point, not where his agents hope to end up. Bruce Allen has himself to thank for screwing this up.
I'm not saying the Giants should even consider it ... just that Cousins is ridiculously underrated by some on this board. If Eli's successor is anything like Cousins, we're lucky.
He's the perfect example of a guy whose stats production outshines his actual ability and results.
He's a healthy Sam Bradford or Andy Dalton. Pay those guys top dollar and see what you get. Actually, you can just look to the teams who did exactly that to see what happened.
I'm not saying the Giants should even consider it ... just that Cousins is ridiculously underrated by some on this board. If Eli's successor is anything like Cousins, we're lucky.
I commented on that yesterday, I'd love Cousins on his rookie deal. But when we are talking superstar money, you really would want the Giants spending that on him?
Damned if you do damned if you don't. The only way the Skins win here is if they let him walk and replace him adequately or they keep him and somehow win a lot of games with Cousins at the helm. More than likely they regret either move.
I'm not saying the Giants should even consider it ... just that Cousins is ridiculously underrated by some on this board. If Eli's successor is anything like Cousins, we're lucky.
Meh, he's a decent player, but has significant flaws. Inaccurate downfield, and brutally bad when pressured. You sign him unless you have someone behind him you like.
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will get at least 20M per season.
I'm not saying the Giants should even consider it ... just that Cousins is ridiculously underrated by some on this board. If Eli's successor is anything like Cousins, we're lucky.
Meh, he's a decent player, but has significant flaws. Inaccurate downfield, and brutally bad when pressured. You sign him unless you have someone behind him you like.
he's so inaccurate downfield and brutal when pressured that he ranked #1 in "Air yards" last year
"Air yards is defined as the total distance that a football is thrown beyond the line of scrimmage to the point of reception. Air yards is calculated by taking total passing yards and subtracting Yards After the Catch (YAC)."
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That isn't a reflection on his accuracy, but moreso the design of the offense that utilizes their TE as a seam receiver instead of a dumpoff and a design that doesn't utilize the backs as safety valves very often.
It's part of the reason Cousins stats look so good - he throws the ball downfield at a higher rate than almost any other QB.
he's so inaccurate downfield and brutal when pressured that he ranked #1 in "Air yards" last year
"Air yards is defined as the total distance that a football is thrown beyond the line of scrimmage to the point of reception. Air yards is calculated by taking total passing yards and subtracting Yards After the Catch (YAC)." Numbers - ( New Window )
Probably based on attempts. He threw downfield a fair amount, but was pretty inaccurate when doing so - 43% at over 20 yards (20th in the NFL), and 48% over 17 yards (21st).
That isn't a reflection on his accuracy, but moreso the design of the offense that utilizes their TE as a seam receiver instead of a dumpoff and a design that doesn't utilize the backs as safety valves very often.
It's part of the reason Cousins stats look so good - he throws the ball downfield at a higher rate than almost any other QB.
making his 67% completion rate even more impressive.
he was the 7th overall rated QB last year and put up nearly 5K yards. he's good.
Furthermore, last I checked, Cousins plays QB for the Redskins...not defense or special teams. You can slice up his QB performance and their offensive performance for the past 2 years anyway you want, and you will see pretty high marks across the board (QB ratings, yards, points scored, TDs, etc). They are always in the top third of league in almost any stat.
But defensively, they are almost always in the bottom half of the league and many times in bottom 5 teams of most defensive categories. Isn't this clearly the reason for less wins and success for the Redskins versus pointing fingers at Cousins? Is this even debatable?
But in this thread Cousins is the one criticized as FLAWED, HORRENDOUS, HE FOLDS, CAN'T WIN A BIG GAME and MEDIOCRE.
Really?
he's not far from being a top 10 QB
The question is will the Skins be the ones to pony up. My guess is no, since that would require that Bruce Allen acknowledge how poorly he played this. While most expect him to be a 49er, given his relationship with Kyle Shanahan, it would n't shock me to see him in Jet green.