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NFT: Game of Thrones - Season 7 Episode 4: The Spoil(er)s of War

Big Blue Blogger : 8/1/2017 2:55 pm
In a season marked by extensive leaks and detective work, this might be the episode that has been spoiled in the greatest detail. And that was before the script was allegedly hacked this week. I'll try to avoid any of the leaked material. That said, the Episode Four preview gave away a lot, and the prior spoilers color the interpretation of certain shots. In short, READ NO FURTHER IF YOU WISH TO REMAIN UNSULLIED.

1) Cersei appears to have secured the Iron Bank's support, contingent on safe delivery of the Tyrell gold.

2) Jaime has taken possession of the loot that provides the episode's title, but he looks less than confident about transporting it. Long, Westworldesque establishing shots suggest that he and Bronn have a lot of open ground to cross, which could be a problem when the enemy has a Dothraki horde (unbeatable in the open plain) and three you-know-whats.

3) Speaking of the you-know-whats, Daenerys has lost her Westerosi allies and most of her patience with Tyrion's clever plans. It's just about "Dracarys" time. I figured Dany would hold her, um, fire for another week or two; but when a preview closes with a shot of Drogon, somebody's gonna get lit up.

4) Jon is exploring caverns by torchlight. Is that obsidian on the walls?

5) Theon appears to get his groove back - at least enough to pull a rowboat ashore with a determined expression.

6) A lone, diminutive rider eyes Winterfell from a distance. By all appearances, a girl returns home.

7) Sansa exudes administrative competence.

8) Baelish exudes whatever it is Baelish always exudes.

9) Pod takes another beating - probably from Brienne, but at some point he and his magic dick are going to see actual combat.

10) A dagger - possibly one we've been wondering about for quite a while - figures prominently.

11) Another quiet week north of the Wall. I'm not sure who's slower - Gendry in a boat or the Night's King on horseback.
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Besides  
Pete in 'Vliet : 8/4/2017 1:03 pm : link
Since she has been cast in Hunger Games and Star Wars, it makes me think there isn't many large athletic actresses out there
Oh, yeah the actress and character have been great in the shows  
pjcas18 : 8/4/2017 1:12 pm : link
she's just not ugly enough for book Brienne.

Probably not a ton of ugly actors in general and who wants to put makeup on another character on this set.

I also don't think Tyrion's injuries are massive enough. Sounded in the book like he had no nose anymore or at least a massively disfiguring injury from battle of the blackwater.

and I really meant it as a compliment, practically every character in the show is almost perfectly matched to the mental image I created from the books, the Starks, the Lannisters, Samwell, such perfect casting across the board, so my Brienne comment was only because of how perfectly cast everyone else was.
There is some tough ladies up at Winterfell now  
Pete in 'Vliet : 8/4/2017 1:51 pm : link
it would be cool if Arya put together a baddass all girl "wolfpack" between herself, Meera, Lyanna, and Brienne. Sansa can knit them all warm, matching cloaks :)
Speaking of Meera  
PEEJ : 8/4/2017 1:52 pm : link
I always thought she'd have a bigger role than Bran's sled-lugger
RE: It's definitely been speculated  
NYG27 : 8/4/2017 3:36 pm : link
In comment 13548393 Kyle in NY said:
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that they eloped. Mentioned this the other day but Rhaegar's harp could be a key. Where is it?


Why would the Rhaegar's harp be the key? Did he carve out the names of his loved ones on the harp?
Question for book readers  
NYG27 : 8/4/2017 3:40 pm : link
When the Mad King was still alive in ruling in Kings Landing, during this time, who was the head at Dragonstone? Was it Rhaegar or was he at Kings Landing at this time.
RE: RE: It's definitely been speculated  
pjcas18 : 8/4/2017 3:44 pm : link
In comment 13549899 NYG27 said:
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that they eloped. Mentioned this the other day but Rhaegar's harp could be a key. Where is it?



Why would the Rhaegar's harp be the key? Did he carve out the names of his loved ones on the harp?


Lyanna was buried in the crypts at Winterfell, which was unusual to begin with, but it's alleged she was buried along with her personal "effects" that she kept close by at the Tower of Joy. If Rhaegar's harp is buried with her and her things in the Winterfell crypts it's logical to conclude that she and Rhaegar were not rapist and victim, but closer than that and actually legit lovers since it's been stated a bunch of times Rhaegar would rather play his harp and sing than fight and his harp is one of his prized possessions. Something he would normally take with him wherever he went.

RE: Speaking of Meera  
Pete in 'Vliet : 8/4/2017 3:49 pm : link
In comment 13549828 PEEJ said:
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I always thought she'd have a bigger role than Bran's sled-lugger


I was hoping, now that she is in Winterfell, it would bring Howland Reed around, since he's probably wondering where both his kids are (RIP Jojen). Then he could confirm Bran's vision for the rest of the Norhtern lords. Although, I doubt the show is going to add anymore characters at this point. Maybe she will be important in protecting Bran once the Walkers come around.
RE: Question for book readers  
pjcas18 : 8/4/2017 3:51 pm : link
In comment 13549902 NYG27 said:
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When the Mad King was still alive in ruling in Kings Landing, during this time, who was the head at Dragonstone? Was it Rhaegar or was he at Kings Landing at this time.


Rhaegar was mostly at Dragonstone. He and his father didn't get along.

Once the rebellion broke out they went to Kings' Landing and that's where Rhaegar's family was killed.
RE: RE: Question for book readers  
NYG27 : 8/4/2017 3:58 pm : link
In comment 13549913 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13549902 NYG27 said:


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When the Mad King was still alive in ruling in Kings Landing, during this time, who was the head at Dragonstone? Was it Rhaegar or was he at Kings Landing at this time.



Rhaegar was mostly at Dragonstone. He and his father didn't get along.

Once the rebellion broke out they went to Kings' Landing and that's where Rhaegar's family was killed.


pjcas18, would you be able to give some examples of why Rhaegar and the Mad King didn't get along?

Also once Rhaegar and Lyanna ran away\kidnapped, did they spend any time at Dragonstone or where they at the Tower of Joy the majority of the time they were together?
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pjcas18 : 8/4/2017 4:09 pm : link
In comment 13549922 NYG27 said:
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In comment 13549902 NYG27 said:


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When the Mad King was still alive in ruling in Kings Landing, during this time, who was the head at Dragonstone? Was it Rhaegar or was he at Kings Landing at this time.



Rhaegar was mostly at Dragonstone. He and his father didn't get along.

Once the rebellion broke out they went to Kings' Landing and that's where Rhaegar's family was killed.



pjcas18, would you be able to give some examples of why Rhaegar and the Mad King didn't get along?

Also once Rhaegar and Lyanna ran away\kidnapped, did they spend any time at Dragonstone or where they at the Tower of Joy the majority of the time they were together?


I don't know the whole story, but part of it is Rhaegar didn't marry a targaryan (Aerys wife was his own sister), I believe the family was notoriously incestuous, and he married Elia Martell from Dorne.

Plus he feared how well liked Rhaegar was and also worried that Tywin and Rhaegar secretly conspired to overthrow him.

Varys was known to manipulate Aerys to an extent and I'm sure helped perpetuate some of the paranoia "all for the good of the realm".

most of this is conjecture since it's not clearly spelled out in all the books, some from blogs.

Didn't Rheagar also tell Jaime before he left Kings Landing  
Scyber : 8/4/2017 11:55 pm : link
for his final battle that he would deal with his father when he returned? Basically saying he knew his father was batshit crazy, but he needed to squash the rebellion first.
No Spoilers  
NYG27 : 8/5/2017 1:55 am : link
I couldn't help myself and saw the entire episode 4 tonight. All I'll say is it's freakin epic! Can't wait to discuss it after it airs.
RE: No Spoilers  
eli4life : 8/5/2017 2:00 pm : link
In comment 13550248 NYG27 said:
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I couldn't help myself and saw the entire episode 4 tonight. All I'll say is it's freakin epic! Can't wait to discuss it after it airs.



Easily top 3 for those interested in sure you can get it online I watched it through covenant on kodi
50 minute episode  
UConn4523 : 8/5/2017 2:11 pm : link
I imagine a lot of that is going to be a battle or battles since it's the shortest of the season.
Didn't realize it was the shortest of the season  
eli4life : 8/5/2017 2:18 pm : link
But then again it probably could of been the longest of the season and would of felt the same
RE: No Spoilers  
RGhost : 8/5/2017 7:59 pm : link
In comment 13550248 NYG27 said:
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I couldn't help myself and saw the entire episode 4 tonight. All I'll say is it's freakin epic! Can't wait to discuss it after it airs.


That is really great news. Because...

...outside of Arya in the opening minutes of the season, not one character I have any deep interest in has been involved in any kind of action or real suspense at all.

Huge naval battle involving Euron, the Greyjoys and the Sand Snakes? Really didn't much care. The Unsullied storm Casterly Rock and take out some red uniforms? Should have been awesome, wasn't.

I haven't felt the slightest pull to re-watch an episode yet. So far this season has mostly been maneuvering to bring 2nd tier characters stories to a quick end. I can't imagine this is all how GRRM would have laid it out.

So, really Looking forward to the next episode.
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Mike from SI : 8/6/2017 12:07 am : link
In comment 13549927 pjcas18 said:
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When the Mad King was still alive in ruling in Kings Landing, during this time, who was the head at Dragonstone? Was it Rhaegar or was he at Kings Landing at this time.



Rhaegar was mostly at Dragonstone. He and his father didn't get along.

Once the rebellion broke out they went to Kings' Landing and that's where Rhaegar's family was killed.



pjcas18, would you be able to give some examples of why Rhaegar and the Mad King didn't get along?

Also once Rhaegar and Lyanna ran away\kidnapped, did they spend any time at Dragonstone or where they at the Tower of Joy the majority of the time they were together?



I don't know the whole story, but part of it is Rhaegar didn't marry a targaryan (Aerys wife was his own sister), I believe the family was notoriously incestuous, and he married Elia Martell from Dorne.

Plus he feared how well liked Rhaegar was and also worried that Tywin and Rhaegar secretly conspired to overthrow him.

Varys was known to manipulate Aerys to an extent and I'm sure helped perpetuate some of the paranoia "all for the good of the realm".

most of this is conjecture since it's not clearly spelled out in all the books, some from blogs.


It was less that he didn't marry a Targ and more that he was jealous/paranoid that everyone loved Rhaegar and didn't really like him. Rhaegar's seat was on Dragonstone but it's not like he just chilled there all the time.

Not sure what ppl don't get about the Lyanna thing. She couldn't tell her father and brother she was breaking the arranged marriage. They assume she was kidnapped. Mad King was the ultimate dickhead. Arthur Dayne was loyal to Rhaegar and carrying out his wishes. Had Arthur Dayne been at Rhaegars side war battle easily could have went the other way.
RE: RE: No Spoilers  
NYG27 : 8/6/2017 4:39 pm : link
In comment 13550553 RGhost said:
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I couldn't help myself and saw the entire episode 4 tonight. All I'll say is it's freakin epic! Can't wait to discuss it after it airs.



That is really great news. Because...

...outside of Arya in the opening minutes of the season, not one character I have any deep interest in has been involved in any kind of action or real suspense at all.

Huge naval battle involving Euron, the Greyjoys and the Sand Snakes? Really didn't much care. The Unsullied storm Casterly Rock and take out some red uniforms? Should have been awesome, wasn't.

I haven't felt the slightest pull to re-watch an episode yet. So far this season has mostly been maneuvering to bring 2nd tier characters stories to a quick end. I can't imagine this is all how GRRM would have laid it out.

So, really Looking forward to the next episode.


You won't be disappointed!
I thought last week's episode was fantastic  
ZGiants98 : 8/6/2017 7:42 pm : link
In fact, every episode has been good this season and seemingly getting better with each one. I am very glad they were able to take the time needed to setup what is sure to come over the last few weeks. This isn't a show about action.
well shit  
Nitro : 8/6/2017 9:52 pm : link
helluva fight.
Holt shit!  
ZGiants98 : 8/6/2017 9:55 pm : link
That was a budget that should have taken up 3 episodes.

Incredible.
Really wish the dragon died  
UConn4523 : 8/6/2017 9:57 pm : link
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HBO probably spent the entire 2017 budget on that episode.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/6/2017 9:58 pm : link
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Kingslayer with balls of steel!  
bceagle05 : 8/6/2017 9:58 pm : link
Bold move going at the dragon, looks like Bronn saved the day. Looks like Tyrion was a little conflicted.
Jamie can't die yet  
Jackson Ellis : 8/6/2017 9:59 pm : link
He still needs to be Queenslayer.
Everything  
KWhite2250 : 8/6/2017 9:59 pm : link
Tonight was perfect! Sansa and arya reunion was ALOT better than I expected it to be
At the very end, was Tyrion saying "run you idiot"  
PatersonPlank : 8/6/2017 9:59 pm : link
To Jaime or to Deanerys?
I'm confused ... or maybe we aren't supposed to know yet  
TommytheElephant : 8/6/2017 10:00 pm : link
Didnt the gold get through the gates?
who says the dragon won't still die  
Nitro : 8/6/2017 10:00 pm : link
..

he was talking about Jaime  
Nitro : 8/6/2017 10:00 pm : link
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RE: At the very end, was Tyrion saying  
UConn4523 : 8/6/2017 10:01 pm : link
In comment 13551106 PatersonPlank said:
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To Jaime or to Deanerys?


His brother, he's still fond of Jaime
RE: I'm confused ... or maybe we aren't supposed to know yet  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/6/2017 10:01 pm : link
In comment 13551107 TommytheElephant said:
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Didnt the gold get through the gates?


You missed Tarly telling Jaime the gold made it to KL.
RE: I'm confused ... or maybe we aren't supposed to know yet  
Bill L : 8/6/2017 10:01 pm : link
In comment 13551107 TommytheElephant said:
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Didnt the gold get through the gates?
yeah. They said that gold did. But the killed all the foodstuffs which is going to be just as valuable.
RE: who says the dragon won't still die  
UConn4523 : 8/6/2017 10:02 pm : link
In comment 13551109 Nitro said:
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It might, and I hope it does. The playing field is too skewed. All 3 can go die in fact.
Bran dropping that "chaos" line on Littlefinger was savagery.  
bceagle05 : 8/6/2017 10:02 pm : link
Looks like Bran has to update Jon on his history, too. Didn't we learn the Children of the Forest created the White Walkers to fight mankind?
RE: RE: At the very end, was Tyrion saying  
Bill L : 8/6/2017 10:02 pm : link
In comment 13551111 UConn4523 said:
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To Jaime or to Deanerys?



His brother, he's still fond of Jaime
it just fond. Jaime saved his life.
Can someone remind me  
Bill L : 8/6/2017 10:04 pm : link
To what extend Arya knows about Littlefinger's machinations? Is he on her list?
Noah Syndergaard?  
pjcas18 : 8/6/2017 10:04 pm : link
He saved his life  
UConn4523 : 8/6/2017 10:05 pm : link
be he still hates that he's their sisters pet. I think he hates Jaime in part but loves him for being the only person in the family to treat him like a human.
The final fight scene was good; the dragon is cool  
PatersonPlank : 8/6/2017 10:06 pm : link
I hope he lives
I don't recall any indication of him hating Jaime.  
Bill L : 8/6/2017 10:06 pm : link
Has he expressed that?
RE: Can someone remind me  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/6/2017 10:08 pm : link
In comment 13551120 Bill L said:
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To what extend Arya knows about Littlefinger's machinations? Is he on her list?


He is.

And Bran even said so tonight when he was talking to the both of them.
Yea I did hear Tarly say that  
TommytheElephant : 8/6/2017 10:08 pm : link
That's why I was confused - didn't realize it was good

Thanks
RE: I don't recall any indication of him hating Jaime.  
pjcas18 : 8/6/2017 10:09 pm : link
In comment 13551128 Bill L said:
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Has he expressed that?


I don't think so, I think he admires Jamie and doesn't want him to die.
RE: RE: Can someone remind me  
pjcas18 : 8/6/2017 10:12 pm : link
In comment 13551132 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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To what extend Arya knows about Littlefinger's machinations? Is he on her list?



He is.

And Bran even said so tonight when he was talking to the both of them.


Littlefinger is not on the list. I don't think Arya knows any of his schemes.

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Ten Ton Hammer : 8/6/2017 10:12 pm : link
In comment 13551138 pjcas18 said:
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To what extend Arya knows about Littlefinger's machinations? Is he on her list?



He is.

And Bran even said so tonight when he was talking to the both of them.



Littlefinger is not on the list. I don't think Arya knows any of his schemes.


How can Bran be wrong about something? Isn't he supposed to know everything?
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pjcas18 : 8/6/2017 10:14 pm : link
In comment 13551139 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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To what extend Arya knows about Littlefinger's machinations? Is he on her list?



He is.

And Bran even said so tonight when he was talking to the both of them.



Littlefinger is not on the list. I don't think Arya knows any of his schemes.




How can Bran be wrong about something? Isn't he supposed to know everything?


bran said cersei is on the list, that's why Arya was going to kings landing.

Did he say Littlefinger was on the list? I didn't hear that.
That does look like Thor  
ZGiants98 : 8/6/2017 10:15 pm : link
was he getting a cameo?
Little finger was  
PEEJ : 8/6/2017 10:15 pm : link
never on Arya's list.
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