In a season marked by extensive leaks and detective work, this might be the episode that has been spoiled in the greatest detail. And that was before the script was allegedly hacked this week. I'll try to avoid any of the leaked material. That said, the Episode Four preview gave away a lot, and the prior spoilers color the interpretation of certain shots. In short, READ NO FURTHER IF YOU WISH TO REMAIN UNSULLIED.
1) Cersei appears to have secured the Iron Bank's support, contingent on safe delivery of the Tyrell gold.
2) Jaime has taken possession of the loot that provides the episode's title, but he looks less than confident about transporting it. Long, Westworldesque establishing shots suggest that he and Bronn have a lot of open ground to cross, which could be a problem when the enemy has a Dothraki horde (unbeatable in the open plain) and three you-know-whats.
3) Speaking of the you-know-whats, Daenerys has lost her Westerosi allies and most of her patience with Tyrion's clever plans. It's just about "Dracarys" time. I figured Dany would hold her, um, fire for another week or two; but when a preview closes with a shot of Drogon, somebody's gonna get lit up.
4) Jon is exploring caverns by torchlight. Is that obsidian on the walls?
5) Theon appears to get his groove back - at least enough to pull a rowboat ashore with a determined expression.
6) A lone, diminutive rider eyes Winterfell from a distance. By all appearances, a girl returns home.
7) Sansa exudes administrative competence.
8) Baelish exudes whatever it is Baelish always exudes.
9) Pod takes another beating - probably from Brienne, but at some point he and his magic dick are going to see actual combat.
10) A dagger - possibly one we've been wondering about for quite a while - figures prominently.
11) Another quiet week north of the Wall. I'm not sure who's slower - Gendry in a boat or the Night's King on horseback.
Probably not a ton of ugly actors in general and who wants to put makeup on another character on this set.
I also don't think Tyrion's injuries are massive enough. Sounded in the book like he had no nose anymore or at least a massively disfiguring injury from battle of the blackwater.
and I really meant it as a compliment, practically every character in the show is almost perfectly matched to the mental image I created from the books, the Starks, the Lannisters, Samwell, such perfect casting across the board, so my Brienne comment was only because of how perfectly cast everyone else was.
Why would the Rhaegar's harp be the key? Did he carve out the names of his loved ones on the harp?
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that they eloped. Mentioned this the other day but Rhaegar's harp could be a key. Where is it?
Why would the Rhaegar's harp be the key? Did he carve out the names of his loved ones on the harp?
Lyanna was buried in the crypts at Winterfell, which was unusual to begin with, but it's alleged she was buried along with her personal "effects" that she kept close by at the Tower of Joy. If Rhaegar's harp is buried with her and her things in the Winterfell crypts it's logical to conclude that she and Rhaegar were not rapist and victim, but closer than that and actually legit lovers since it's been stated a bunch of times Rhaegar would rather play his harp and sing than fight and his harp is one of his prized possessions. Something he would normally take with him wherever he went.
I was hoping, now that she is in Winterfell, it would bring Howland Reed around, since he's probably wondering where both his kids are (RIP Jojen). Then he could confirm Bran's vision for the rest of the Norhtern lords. Although, I doubt the show is going to add anymore characters at this point. Maybe she will be important in protecting Bran once the Walkers come around.
Rhaegar was mostly at Dragonstone. He and his father didn't get along.
Once the rebellion broke out they went to Kings' Landing and that's where Rhaegar's family was killed.
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When the Mad King was still alive in ruling in Kings Landing, during this time, who was the head at Dragonstone? Was it Rhaegar or was he at Kings Landing at this time.
Rhaegar was mostly at Dragonstone. He and his father didn't get along.
Once the rebellion broke out they went to Kings' Landing and that's where Rhaegar's family was killed.
pjcas18, would you be able to give some examples of why Rhaegar and the Mad King didn't get along?
Also once Rhaegar and Lyanna ran away\kidnapped, did they spend any time at Dragonstone or where they at the Tower of Joy the majority of the time they were together?
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When the Mad King was still alive in ruling in Kings Landing, during this time, who was the head at Dragonstone? Was it Rhaegar or was he at Kings Landing at this time.
Rhaegar was mostly at Dragonstone. He and his father didn't get along.
Once the rebellion broke out they went to Kings' Landing and that's where Rhaegar's family was killed.
pjcas18, would you be able to give some examples of why Rhaegar and the Mad King didn't get along?
Also once Rhaegar and Lyanna ran away\kidnapped, did they spend any time at Dragonstone or where they at the Tower of Joy the majority of the time they were together?
I don't know the whole story, but part of it is Rhaegar didn't marry a targaryan (Aerys wife was his own sister), I believe the family was notoriously incestuous, and he married Elia Martell from Dorne.
Plus he feared how well liked Rhaegar was and also worried that Tywin and Rhaegar secretly conspired to overthrow him.
Varys was known to manipulate Aerys to an extent and I'm sure helped perpetuate some of the paranoia "all for the good of the realm".
most of this is conjecture since it's not clearly spelled out in all the books, some from blogs.
Easily top 3 for those interested in sure you can get it online I watched it through covenant on kodi
That is really great news. Because...
...outside of Arya in the opening minutes of the season, not one character I have any deep interest in has been involved in any kind of action or real suspense at all.
Huge naval battle involving Euron, the Greyjoys and the Sand Snakes? Really didn't much care. The Unsullied storm Casterly Rock and take out some red uniforms? Should have been awesome, wasn't.
I haven't felt the slightest pull to re-watch an episode yet. So far this season has mostly been maneuvering to bring 2nd tier characters stories to a quick end. I can't imagine this is all how GRRM would have laid it out.
So, really Looking forward to the next episode.
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When the Mad King was still alive in ruling in Kings Landing, during this time, who was the head at Dragonstone? Was it Rhaegar or was he at Kings Landing at this time.
Rhaegar was mostly at Dragonstone. He and his father didn't get along.
Once the rebellion broke out they went to Kings' Landing and that's where Rhaegar's family was killed.
pjcas18, would you be able to give some examples of why Rhaegar and the Mad King didn't get along?
Also once Rhaegar and Lyanna ran away\kidnapped, did they spend any time at Dragonstone or where they at the Tower of Joy the majority of the time they were together?
I don't know the whole story, but part of it is Rhaegar didn't marry a targaryan (Aerys wife was his own sister), I believe the family was notoriously incestuous, and he married Elia Martell from Dorne.
Plus he feared how well liked Rhaegar was and also worried that Tywin and Rhaegar secretly conspired to overthrow him.
Varys was known to manipulate Aerys to an extent and I'm sure helped perpetuate some of the paranoia "all for the good of the realm".
most of this is conjecture since it's not clearly spelled out in all the books, some from blogs.
It was less that he didn't marry a Targ and more that he was jealous/paranoid that everyone loved Rhaegar and didn't really like him. Rhaegar's seat was on Dragonstone but it's not like he just chilled there all the time.
Not sure what ppl don't get about the Lyanna thing. She couldn't tell her father and brother she was breaking the arranged marriage. They assume she was kidnapped. Mad King was the ultimate dickhead. Arthur Dayne was loyal to Rhaegar and carrying out his wishes. Had Arthur Dayne been at Rhaegars side war battle easily could have went the other way.
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I couldn't help myself and saw the entire episode 4 tonight. All I'll say is it's freakin epic! Can't wait to discuss it after it airs.
That is really great news. Because...
...outside of Arya in the opening minutes of the season, not one character I have any deep interest in has been involved in any kind of action or real suspense at all.
Huge naval battle involving Euron, the Greyjoys and the Sand Snakes? Really didn't much care. The Unsullied storm Casterly Rock and take out some red uniforms? Should have been awesome, wasn't.
I haven't felt the slightest pull to re-watch an episode yet. So far this season has mostly been maneuvering to bring 2nd tier characters stories to a quick end. I can't imagine this is all how GRRM would have laid it out.
So, really Looking forward to the next episode.
You won't be disappointed!
Incredible.
His brother, he's still fond of Jaime
You missed Tarly telling Jaime the gold made it to KL.
It might, and I hope it does. The playing field is too skewed. All 3 can go die in fact.
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To Jaime or to Deanerys?
His brother, he's still fond of Jaime
He is.
And Bran even said so tonight when he was talking to the both of them.
Thanks
I don't think so, I think he admires Jamie and doesn't want him to die.
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To what extend Arya knows about Littlefinger's machinations? Is he on her list?
He is.
And Bran even said so tonight when he was talking to the both of them.
Littlefinger is not on the list. I don't think Arya knows any of his schemes.
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To what extend Arya knows about Littlefinger's machinations? Is he on her list?
He is.
And Bran even said so tonight when he was talking to the both of them.
Littlefinger is not on the list. I don't think Arya knows any of his schemes.
How can Bran be wrong about something? Isn't he supposed to know everything?
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To what extend Arya knows about Littlefinger's machinations? Is he on her list?
He is.
And Bran even said so tonight when he was talking to the both of them.
Littlefinger is not on the list. I don't think Arya knows any of his schemes.
How can Bran be wrong about something? Isn't he supposed to know everything?
bran said cersei is on the list, that's why Arya was going to kings landing.
Did he say Littlefinger was on the list? I didn't hear that.