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Eight practices into training camp and the Giants have been good, they’ve been lucky and they’ve done nothing to temper the simmering expectations swirling around their 2017 season. There is a long way to go and nothing is ever won in early August, but anyone having happy palpitations and thinking big thoughts should anticipate an accelerated heart rate the remainder of the summer. The Giants are not a perfect team and there will be bumps along the way. After more than a week of camp, though, their strengths were reinforced as their concerns regressed. Eight practices into camp, the Giants are pretty darn good. MORE... |
Boss was ok. I find it hard to believe there's not Kevin Boss type production from this year's TE group and then some.
Really the only argument is 2008 Eli vs 2017 Eli and again, the fact that Eli was the best player on the field (for NYG) in January in Green Bay should put some minds at ease.
2) Get a first round bye
3) Get number 1 seed
4) Win the first playoff game (I.e. Don't peak too early / get too confident (see 2011 15-1 Packers))
5) Win second playoff game and get to Super Bowl
6) Win another damn Super Bowl! (Remember to 2000 season)
Dallas literally just won 13 games based almost entirely on the fact that they had an elite OL. Every single aspect of that team was borne out of the fact that they could control clock and wear teams down on the ground.
Dak Prescott never has the type of year he just had behind the OL we have.
So the overall roster makeup is dependent on whether or not the OL is great?
2008 was a more talented roster than 2011 for sure. Look at the results.
Doesnt change the fact that I'd take this roster over any in the Eli era.
All I'm saying is that you can't just gloss over it and assume it won't be an issue because everything else is better. Poor OL play can still wreck games by itself and it can neutralize the strength of our skill players.
Odell/Marshall/Shep/Engram sounds wonderful on paper but if Eli is constantly under duress, it won't matter.
Eli also had a sub-par year last year so if it was because of the OL, there's not a whole lot of reasons to believe that will change. If it was simply because he had a down year on his own merit, is one game in GB enough to give everyone confidence that it was nothing more than an off year?
Saying "we won 11 games last year and our roster is better on paper now, so we will win more than 11 games this year" sounds like sound logic, but in the NFL, it often doesn't work out like that because there are so many other factors that come into play.
I wouldn't call it sound logic if you don't even factor the tougher schedule and talent around the conference.
It's going to be a very tough road in the conference this year. It's wide open. Giants could play good ball and fail to make the playoffs.
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Saying "we won 11 games last year and our roster is better on paper now, so we will win more than 11 games this year" sounds like sound logic
I wouldn't call it sound logic if you don't even factor the tougher schedule and talent around the conference.
It's going to be a very tough road in the conference this year. It's wide open. Giants could play good ball and fail to make the playoffs.
Did you read my post? You're quoting me out of context.
As noted above, I'll start getting excited near the end of the season if we're in hunt and we're relatively healthy.
Let's pray we luck out with injuries.
I’ll, of course, take 10-6 and a SB victory over going 12-4 or w/e with home field advantage. At the same time, I would like some more playoff games in NJ. After the Ravens SB I think we’ve only had 3 for us to attend. That Atlanta game was so fucking wild. Second best game I've ever been to (after 2014 ECF for NY Rangers vs Montreal)
I’d say 2005 was the season I anticipated the most, this might be second. Someone mentioned 2003 as well, I’d put that up there for me too.
Seems they have decent depth at almost every position, even Oline. There may actually be no let down because of injury on the oline.
Coming off a Super Bowl victory, having a litany of pass rushers including a young, ascending JPP who looked like a superstar in the making, a trio of WR's who were virtually unstoppable down the stretch the previous year, a defense that really kicked it up in the playoffs.
Hell, we even started 6-2 and everything seemed like it was going according to plan.. and then the bottom just completely fell out from under that team and it became an absolutely disastrous finish to the year. The game in Atlanta was flat out embarrassing.
You just never know.
Hopefully Bromely and someone else can step up to aliviate the worries at DT or else I really worry about even a mild run of injuries on our defensive side.
Also, I only did not bring up our MIKE depth because I assume that Robinson will swallow a lot of those snaps in the nickel/dime.
Sometimes I see people make claims like that and wonder what exactly it's based on. Are there a list of teams that we can point to and say "see, this team definitely has better depth on the defensive side of the ball than we do.." ?
I'm genuinely curious.
I feel like the vast majority of NFL teams' starters along the defensive line aren't even as good as ours, nor are their DB's.