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NFT: State of the NY Mets

Shecky : 8/8/2017 11:05 am
Lots of talk about how this is a ruined season by injuries - and it gets under my skin hearing that over and over again, with the assumption that if we stay the course next year they will win a World Series.

1) How many years have we said/heard "oh, if it weren't for the injuries ____" followed by "next year, IF we are healthy..."
2) When you rely on players who haven't proven to be durable, guess what you have to deal with? Injuries. So as long as things remain the same - why would you expect a different outcome?

The prior issue fans had with the Mets Front Office and ownership was that they were "too cheap"
1) Payroll isn't top in baseball nor close - but ownership has clearly spent a ton of money. Enough to win it all? No
2) Enough to contend with the Dodgers? No - but the Dodgers aren't dominating with their money. They are winning with Seager, Turner, Taylor and Bellinger (total cost about $15mm)and despite A Gon ($21mm)

The problem with the current construction of the team is relying on unreliable players. The result? Way more players are producing below their pay grade than above.

Who on the team is outperforming? DeGrom and Conforto, maybe Bruce.
Who is under performing? Walker, Cabrera, Cespedes, Wright, Matz, Harvey, Gselllman, Salas, etc.

Of those underperforming - who can you say with certainty will outperform their salary next year? There folks, is th eproblem with the 2017 Mets. It's not injury.
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Good things for the Mets is  
spike : 8/8/2017 12:52 pm : link
Harper will probably opt for free agency after 2018.
Zimmerman will fall back to Earth from Mvp candidate. Gio gonzalez and Strasburgs arms will fall off. Maybe Scherzer too
So their window will be closing fast.

Then we will have to contend with the Braves for many years
RE: Nimmo  
spike : 8/8/2017 12:53 pm : link
In comment 13552789 DanMetroMan said:
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absolutely should be playing more. Is he a viable #4 or #5? Or filler?


Just like TJ, we never knew what he had until injuries forced the issue
I would sign Lance Lynn in the off season  
CMicks3110 : 8/8/2017 1:23 pm : link
They need a durable reliable innings eater a la colon. sign Lynn for 6 years 85 mil and have him be your #3, then I'd resign reed and Bruce and hope for health from the other starters, bounce back from ces and progression from Rosario smith and conforto
I would love Arrieta  
allstarjim : 8/8/2017 1:29 pm : link
Even over Darvish.

But I think a more realistic solution for next year would be Lance Lynn. Will he leave the Cardinals, though? I think he's the kind of reliable, 200 innings of quality pitching the Mets need in their rotation. Is it going to push someone out of the rotation like Wheeler, Matz, Gsellman, or Lugo? Yes. But they need that kind of guy, badly.

You go: Noah, deGrom, Lynn, Harvey, Wheeler, and if you want, open the season with a 6-man rotation, that will hopefully keep some innings down and keep these guys fresh.

I think AsCab is the 3B next year, because he'll be cheaper than Walker. You can let AsCab walk for $2 million, or keep him to play third for an additional $6.5 million. I don't think that's a difficult decision, and I think he has the best glove for third base. I think Neil Walker is gone.

Sign Lynn  
spike : 8/8/2017 3:59 pm : link
Push Gsellman and Montero back to LV.

Lugo goes to the pen as the superstar reliever

Wheeler and Matz duke it out for the fifth starter spot.
Glad to see  
Shecky : 8/8/2017 8:18 pm : link
The real Flexen finally showed up
Not happening  
Shecky : 8/8/2017 8:36 pm : link
But Beltre would fit in real well
RE: Not happening  
spike : 8/8/2017 8:51 pm : link
In comment 13553353 Shecky said:
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But Beltre would fit in real well


He's 38 years old..
RE: RE: Not happening  
Shecky : 8/8/2017 8:53 pm : link
In comment 13553367 spike said:
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But Beltre would fit in real well



He's 38 years old..


Too young, good point ;)
Joey Gallo however  
spike : 8/8/2017 8:53 pm : link
is only 23..

I'll settle for MOustakas
..  
DanMetroMan : 8/8/2017 9:07 pm : link
‪Justin Dunn hurt too... unbelievable #Mets‬

Scratched due to elbow tightness
TJ every pitcher  
spike : 8/8/2017 9:30 pm : link
before they even put on the minors uniform
RE: TJ every pitcher  
Shecky : 8/8/2017 9:48 pm : link
In comment 13553413 spike said:
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before they even put on the minors uniform

Tried that approach with last years first rounder...
Why are Walker and Cabrera playing?  
Vanzetti : 8/9/2017 8:06 am : link
Flores should be starting. Ditto for TJ when he gets back. Bring Cecchini up.

Is Sandy under the delusion that he is going to swing some kind of significant deal for these two broken-down players?

Let's find out what we have with Flores so it doesn't turn into another Justin Turner.


Flores has the stroke to hit .300 and 25+ HR if he can if he can can become more selective. And, yeah, baseball history is filled with guys who never did become more selective. But there are also Turners and Murphys. So let's not make that mistake again. Especially to give ABs to guys like Walker and Cabrera who are both on the slippery slope.
Cab should stay on the bench in favor of Flores  
spike : 8/9/2017 8:11 am : link
And wait for next season as a Met
Cabrera and Walker clear waivers  
Vanzetti : 8/9/2017 8:32 am : link
no surprise there

but to me, this really seems to be about saving money by getting some team to take on their salaries. Mets are not getting anything significant back .

A franchise must show respect to vets  
Shecky : 8/9/2017 8:42 am : link
Especially impending FA vets who earned .the respect.
There's plenty of time for the kids to play, there's still over a quarter of a season to play. Another 7-10 days won't stunt anyone's future...
Shecky  
DanMetroMan : 8/9/2017 9:24 am : link
any word on Dunn yet?
RE: A franchise must show respect to vets  
DanMetroMan : 8/9/2017 9:24 am : link
In comment 13553572 Shecky said:
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Especially impending FA vets who earned .the respect.
There's plenty of time for the kids to play, there's still over a quarter of a season to play. Another 7-10 days won't stunt anyone's future...


Fans overlook this fact. Good luck signing future vets if you shit on them on the way out the door.
RE: Shecky  
Shecky : 8/9/2017 9:45 am : link
In comment 13553615 DanMetroMan said:
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any word on Dunn yet?

I avoid speculating on health. Assumption is precautionary - but it's the Mets...

Speaking of Dunn, something very near and dear to my heart.
A great cause he is heavily involved in - ( New Window )
BP  
DanMetroMan : 8/9/2017 9:53 am : link
mentions this guy as one to monitor
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RE: BP  
Shecky : 8/9/2017 10:02 am : link
In comment 13553656 DanMetroMan said:
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mentions this guy as one to monitor Link - ( New Window )


You throw strikes in the GCL, it stands out
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DanMetroMan : 8/9/2017 10:17 am : link
Medina sounded quasi interesting based on the SB's until I read the note about his speed.
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cesar puello  
feelflows : 8/9/2017 3:24 pm : link
called up by the Angels (in former Mets news)
RE: cesar puello  
Shecky : 8/9/2017 3:50 pm : link
In comment 13554118 feelflows said:
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called up by the Angels (in former Mets news)

Cue phantom back injury in
3... 2... 1...
RE: RE: cesar puello  
feelflows : 8/9/2017 6:40 pm : link
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called up by the Angels (in former Mets news)


Cue phantom back injury in
3... 2... 1...


RE: RE: cesar puello  
pjcas18 : 8/9/2017 6:55 pm : link
In comment 13554147 Shecky said:
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called up by the Angels (in former Mets news)


Cue phantom back injury in
3... 2... 1...


He's played 1 game. He'd be tied for 4th on the Mets in stolen bases.

He was on fire in the PCL before being called up.

He'd be perfect on the Mets even short-term.
Should get chatty here soon  
Shecky : 8/9/2017 9:52 pm : link
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Twitter  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/9/2017 10:02 pm : link
Jerry Crasnick‏
@jcrasnick

Jay Bruce is heading to #Indians in a trade. The #Yankees were also involved in Bruce trade talks before #Mets dealt him to Cleveland.
Once again not kicking in any $  
Eric on Li : 8/9/2017 10:07 pm : link
Joel Sherman‏Verified account @Joelsherman1 3m3 minutes ago
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Bruce had roughly $5M owed still this season and #Indians are taking on all of it. #mets

I assume there's a Drew Smith-esque prospect packing his bag right now.
why cant  
spike : 8/9/2017 10:20 pm : link
Donald trump or another billionaire in NYC buy the Mets?
Duda Gives Shout-Out to 7-Line Army  
pganut : 8/10/2017 11:55 am : link
Below in The Player's Tribune
A Shout-Out to the 7 Line Army - Lucas Duda - ( New Window )
RE: why cant  
pjcas18 : 8/10/2017 12:00 pm : link
In comment 13554468 spike said:
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Donald trump or another billionaire in NYC buy the Mets?


I read a couple years ago when selling the Mets was a hot topic that Mark Cuban was interested, but from what I recall it's tough to break into ownership and it was unlikely Cuban would have been approved.

I don't care if the Wilpons sell or not, I just hope they do a few things like get a local AAA team, stop spitefully refusing to trade with the Yankees, and if they have any influence over Sandy in any area beyond LT contracts then remove that influence (or replace Sandy and ideally with someone who won't be influenced beyond normal ownership influence).
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