Per a suggestion on the S7E4 thread, we can treat this as a "pre-game" forum. All forms of speculation are welcome... just try to base your posts on what we've seen in previous episodes, the S7E5 trailer or other official HBO material. I guess book references are OK for background info; the show is so far beyond A Dance with Dragons that "book spoiler" is an oxymoron.
What we know from the preview:
1) Daenerys offers the defeated Lannister army a choice: join her, or die.
2) Varys says Tyrion must find a way to make "her" listen. That's probably a reference to Dany, but - depending on the context - it could be Cersei.
3) Speaking of Cersei, her confidence appears unshaken, and Qyburn seems to be enjoying the challenge.
4) Jon and Drogon are properly introduced.
5) Bran notifies Jon, via raven, that the Others are on the march. Jon shares the news with Dany's Council. No indication whether that note from Bran contains a p.s. about the Tower of Joy and Jon's parentage.
6) The Dead are indeed coming. Based on the episode title, their current destination is not in doubt.
I haven't seen any canonical hints so far about Jaime's fate, the extent of Drogon's injuries, the status of food supplies in the South, the Iron Bank's reaction to recent developments, or Cersei's next move.
Is Drogon crippled or injured to the point of being grounded for some period of time?
Apparently bran is controlling ravens now, why can't he control a dragon?
Figure we see the Hound and The Brotherhood again there too. Looking forward to that.
Not sure if that means fly/control Dragons, or just ravens (also important i suppose)
Right now, a small number of Nights Watch and Wildlings are currently all that stands at East Watch correct? I know Beric, The Hound and their crew are on their way there as well. I don't see how they all escape that coming army of dead though, should be another great episode.
-This season owes us another significant death - Tormund is a likely guess - but i dont think that's significant enough. Maybe Grey Worm on the unsullied march back?
-We saw nothing of Jorah Mormont in ep4- A reunion at dragonstone?
-I think we are due for a hound siting this episode. Haven't heard from him recently
Any chance the first shipment of dragonglass arrives in time? Maybe Benjen will turn up to help? He seems to have some useful skills. Dany won't deploy the dragons to the North for a while. Bran figures to be the ultimate weapon, but I doubt his insight will prove decisive until well into Season 8.
Well, one of the dragons did seem to recognize Tyrion as a Targaryen in Season 6, episode 2...
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It'll be interesting to see if Drogon recognizes Jon Snow's as a Targaryen. I'm thinking he will.
Well, one of the dragons did seem to recognize Tyrion as a Targaryen in Season 6, episode 2...
Or maybe it was both dragons?
He was captured at "Whispering Wood", He failed to protect Joffrey at the wedding, He failed to bring Marcella back alive. None of this was really his fault, but Cersie may think otherwise.
If he survived (I'm pretty sure he did) will Cersie turn her back on him? If he is captured, I'm sure she will refuse any negotiations with Tyrion/Daenarys to get him back. Maybe that when he realizes she hasn't loved him for some time now, if she ever really did.
last I saw the iron bank guy with cersei he was saying it's the first time we've been paid this size debt in a lump sum, and...."...once we actually get the gold" and I thought the gold was in the wagon with Jamie and Bronn.
last I saw the iron bank guy with cersei he was saying it's the first time we've been paid this size debt in a lump sum, and...."...once we actually get the gold" and I thought the gold was in the wagon with Jamie and Bronn.
Yeah. Right before the loot train attack, Randall Tarly tells Jaime that the last wagon of gold made it safely though Kings Landing's gates.
It's not for nothing that Qyburn mentioned the unpredictable course of the Long Goodbye. Myrcella succumbed before her ship left the port at Sunspear. Bronn lasted much longer before receiving the antidote, and Qyburn said Tyene's death could take weeks. She's a tough little byotch. I'm pretty sure we'll see her again, and there's only one candidate to rescue/ransom her.
I think this could easily be in play. He's a gun for hire and if Jamie comes up from the bottom of that lake, he's probably not going to be in any position to be signing paychecks. I think Bronn probably likes Tyrion better anyway. But if Danaerys recognizes Bronn as the dude that shot her favorite dragon...
It's not for nothing that Qyburn mentioned the unpredictable course of the Long Goodbye. Myrcella succumbed before her ship left the port at Sunspear. Bronn lasted much longer before receiving the antidote, and Qyburn said Tyene's death could take weeks. She's a tough little byotch. I'm pretty sure we'll see her again, and there's only one candidate to rescue/ransom her.
That would be great if it happened, but I doubt it will. All things Dorne are officially out of the show, is my guess. Although, I do assume Bronn now keeps a vile of that antictdote on him at all times, just in case.
Its pretty hilarious to me, since the hackers last week claimed HBO "will fall" due to their leaks. I guess releasing a action packed script, complete a dragon covering an army in fire, actually got more people to turn in. Go figure :/
Yes, I'm sure there will be something that happens. With it being Drogon especially. He is bonded to Dany and has even had moments of being unruly towards her let alone other people. If Drogon is fine with Jon or even takes a liking to him, I would imagine this is going to cause confusion for both him and Dany. Dany especially.
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It'll be interesting to see if Drogon recognizes Jon Snow's as a Targaryen. I'm thinking he will.
Well, one of the dragons did seem to recognize Tyrion as a Targaryen in Season 6, episode 2...
Wait, what? Is that something I should know about?
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It'll be interesting to see if Drogon recognizes Jon Snow's as a Targaryen. I'm thinking he will.
Well, one of the dragons did seem to recognize Tyrion as a Targaryen in Season 6, episode 2...
Wait, what? Is that something I should know about?
Yes.
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Tyrion as a targaryan is pure fan speculation. There has never been anything in the books or show that implies he is anything but a Lannister. The scene with the dragons was iffy at best, they certainly didn't lick his face.
Right.
I didn't read the books, but as said more things in there that could hint towards it as well.
The scene with Tyrion & the dragons and Tywin's comments to Tyrion "You're not my son" (If taken literally) are about the only things from the show that could be hints.
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While the theory is plausible, doubts about Tyrion's paternity might just be thrown in as a red herring and/or a further source of hostility between father and son.
While the theory is plausible, doubts about Tyrion's paternity might just be thrown in as a red herring and/or a further source of hostility between father and son.
Not just a hard on for her, Aery's allegedly took her virginity.
of course that couldn't have resulted in Tyrion, but it's more than a fan theory, it's alluded to as a possibility in the books.
Could be a red herring, could be something to it.
They Targarean sigil is a three headed dragon, three dragon riders (Aegon and his sisters) conquered Westeros in the first place and there are 3 living dragons now.
Basically, if Dany is a rider and Jon may become one because of his blood, then who is the other?
Many think it mist be Tyrion, because who else? I still think it'll be Bran who wargs into one.
I like Tyrion as the human, non magical, practical hero. I dont know how I will feel if he becomes a Targarean dragon rider.
Could work either way imo, for Bran or Tyrion
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The fact that he did not get roasted by the dragons is a pretty big sign. Especially since a scene like that in the books resulted in a Martell-B-Q.
The fact that he did not get roasted by the dragons is a pretty big sign. Especially since a scene like that in the books resulted in a Martell-B-Q.
Yeah, that scene was no accident. As shown in this season with Arya "that's not you", along with all the various patterns from the cave, the show runners had the long game in mind here.
Are there book spoilers on this thread. Sorry for my ignorance if that is impossible, but just want to see if these threads are ones I should click on.
Are there book spoilers on this thread. Sorry for my ignorance if that is impossible, but just want to see if these threads are ones I should click on.
There is mention of some stuff that was in the books that never made it to the series but nothing too crazy. I assume you know the show passed the books, right?
To be honest the bigger concern is being spoiled from leaks more than anything from the books.
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Are there book spoilers on this thread. Sorry for my ignorance if that is impossible, but just want to see if these threads are ones I should click on.
There is mention of some stuff that was in the books that never made it to the series but nothing too crazy. I assume you know the show passed the books, right?
I do. I was just making sure as I do not folow EVERYTHING that happens btwn the bookz and series.
On the other hand, certain things that have been glimpsed or teased in the books might feed educated guessing that resolute spoiler-avoiders wouldn't welcome. Past examples would include the Tower of Joy sequence from Season Six or Arya's recent encounter with her direwolf Nymeria. I don't think either of those events has literally "happened" in the books, but readers were eagerly anticipating them for years, based on Ned's feverish dream about the ToJ and Arya's wargish connection to Nym, among other clues. (Another reader favorite, the Frey Pies scene, did come from the books, but Arya's involvement was a clever TV twist.)
Theories about Jon's legitimacy and Tyrion's parentage might fall in this category of annoying book babble, along with speculation about the Night's King, Beric, Gendry, Cersei's "valonqar", the Broken Man, Lady Stoneheart (a few readers are still hoping) and many other subjects. I don't see much harm in this kind of chatter - as long as there's no reference to show leaks.
I'm not sure, however, if the show will address it. There's already one big Targaryen reveal coming obviously. Might not be the time or place for another one.
With that experience, I think readers - on average - are less bothered by leaks and spoilers.
Dany's older brother Rhaegar Targaryen. Only mentioned on the show by other characters telling stories of the past.
If Dany's aunt was Jon's father she'd have balls and be her uncle.
Seriously the theory though is that Dany's oldest brother, Prince Rhaegar is Jon's real father, and his mother is Lyanna Stark, Ned Stark's sister who died giving birth at the Tower of Joy.