I know I'm not a baseball fan, but figured some would find this of interest
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Source: Indians finalizing a deal to acquire Jay Bruce. Cleveland taking on all of Bruce's salary. @jcrasnick first on it being close.
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of on topic but Dave Cameron did a piece on prospect valuations based on the FG tools chart the #1 prospect in baseball (at the time) Moncada was worth 107 million (Rosario 70 million for those curious).
Here it is. Not sure I buy it. Grade 45 prospects are worth $11-13 million? Grade 45 prospects are a dime a dozen. The notion that teams with twenty grade 45 prospects have a quarter-billion dollars in prospect value sitting in the minors is nonsense to me. Link - ( New Window )
a 45 would probably fall just outside the top 100 prospects in the game. Say 100-150 range. Literally all you need that prospect to turn into is a TJ Rivera for a year or two. A 6th inning BP arm for a couple years. That's worth "$12mm" in surplus value. Not sure if that makes sense or not, but hope it's helpful
He can't make the throws to be a 3b
He's been slumping
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Give him a chance at 3b?
He can't make the throws to be a 3b
He might as well be traded away because we have too many 2b's and zero third baseman
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In comment 13554858 spike said:
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Give him a chance at 3b?
He can't make the throws to be a 3b
He might as well be traded away because we have too many 2b's and zero third baseman
He's had a really poor year. No real upside to dealing him. Return wouldn't be much. Hope for a bounceback.
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In comment 13554715 DanMetroMan said:
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of on topic but Dave Cameron did a piece on prospect valuations based on the FG tools chart the #1 prospect in baseball (at the time) Moncada was worth 107 million (Rosario 70 million for those curious).
Here it is. Not sure I buy it. Grade 45 prospects are worth $11-13 million? Grade 45 prospects are a dime a dozen. The notion that teams with twenty grade 45 prospects have a quarter-billion dollars in prospect value sitting in the minors is nonsense to me. Link - ( New Window )
a 45 would probably fall just outside the top 100 prospects in the game. Say 100-150 range. Literally all you need that prospect to turn into is a TJ Rivera for a year or two. A 6th inning BP arm for a couple years. That's worth "$12mm" in surplus value. Not sure if that makes sense or not, but hope it's helpful
MLB.com has the Mets #9 prospect as a 45. But also our #30 prospect. 45 seems to me to be a catchall rating.
And No current Mets aside from Reyes and Cab can play third properly
How the heck was he drafted in the first round? Right behind Addison Russell
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looking to knock Cecchini but he's having a poor year with the bat and his arm is stretched even at SS, you really don't want to see him playing 3b for the 2018 Mets.
How the heck was he drafted in the first round? Right behind Addison Russell
I didnt really like the pick at the time. I think they thought of him as a gamer, and in particular a "safe" pick. But there is no such thing as a safe pick.
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looking to knock Cecchini but he's having a poor year with the bat and his arm is stretched even at SS, you really don't want to see him playing 3b for the 2018 Mets.
How the heck was he drafted in the first round? Right behind Addison Russell
Because he would cost less than slot and the thought was he would at least be a sure bet to turn into a Major League caliber utility player. Think Asdrubal Cabrera with less power.
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In comment 13554884 DanMetroMan said:
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looking to knock Cecchini but he's having a poor year with the bat and his arm is stretched even at SS, you really don't want to see him playing 3b for the 2018 Mets.
How the heck was he drafted in the first round? Right behind Addison Russell
Because he would cost less than slot and the thought was he would at least be a sure bet to turn into a Major League caliber utility player. Think Asdrubal Cabrera with less power.
Better yet. They couldve drafted Corey Seager
My guess is that half the players in the 1st round of the 2012 draft haven't reached the majors and maybe they won't (though HS picks are still young enough).
But, and this is just my philosophy, but I'd almost 100% of the time roll the dice on a high upside guy and have him fail than use pick 12 on a guy that "may become a utility player"
My guess is that half the players in the 1st round of the 2012 draft haven't reached the majors and maybe they won't (though HS picks are still young enough).
But, and this is just my philosophy, but I'd almost 100% of the time roll the dice on a high upside guy and have him fail than use pick 12 on a guy that "may become a utility player"
Similarly we just drafted someone in the first rd this year who may project to a ML reliever.
Who does that??? What second rate organization are we rooting for?
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any MLB draft, it's such a crapshoot even in the first round, but when you draft a guy at 12 who projects to maybe a utility player I think it's time to retire.
My guess is that half the players in the 1st round of the 2012 draft haven't reached the majors and maybe they won't (though HS picks are still young enough).
But, and this is just my philosophy, but I'd almost 100% of the time roll the dice on a high upside guy and have him fail than use pick 12 on a guy that "may become a utility player"
Similarly we just drafted someone in the first rd this year who may project to a ML reliever.
Who does that??? What second rate organization are we rooting for?
Peterson does not project to be a ML reliever. He had success as a starter in college in a good conference and there is no reason to not try him as a starter going forward. Justin Dunn threw harder, but had less of a track record as a starter in a worse conference.
2nd rounders: Mazzoni, Reynolds, Stankiewicz, Church, Lindsay, Alonso, Vientos
And Garin was supposed to be the better one and I think he's on the verge of being a career minor leaguer if he's not destined for that already or out of baseball.
Now he seems to not be able to do either thing all that well and looks like a bust.
He could still turn it around - he's only 23. But kind of a strange arc.
Here's his season in a nutshell - he has 30 less singles than last year, same number of XBH and just about everything else. Certainly not ideal for a guy whose best skill is contact, but I'm guessing there's some bad luck in there. Also on the positive side he only has 7 errors at 2b. He's a guy who should be getting a look with the big club the rest of the season.
He cant be a utility backup when he only plays one position
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be clear I'm not giving up on Cecchini but realistically he's more likely a solid utility player than a regular and if he's a regular it's at 2b. 3b would likely be a disaster and the bat isn't good enough to "find out".
He cant be a utility backup when he only plays one position
He's played some SS this year, obviously the throwing is probably still an issue but being able to backup SS has value.
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be clear I'm not giving up on Cecchini but realistically he's more likely a solid utility player than a regular and if he's a regular it's at 2b. 3b would likely be a disaster and the bat isn't good enough to "find out".
He cant be a utility backup when he only plays one position
Possibly can play SS, but is stretched there. What Dan said is that if he is going to be a consistent starter at one position the only position that that is likely to be is 2B.
Haven't abandoned all hope, but this year was definitely not the type of progression we were anticipating.
Think he's reached that point now. He's stunk it up in AAA with three separate organizations in three years - Boston, Milwaukee last year, KC this year.
My guess is that half the players in the 1st round of the 2012 draft haven't reached the majors and maybe they won't (though HS picks are still young enough).
But, and this is just my philosophy, but I'd almost 100% of the time roll the dice on a high upside guy and have him fail than use pick 12 on a guy that "may become a utility player"
I find that trying to outthink the top of the draft in any sport is usually a mistake. Dont draft for downside, draft for upside.
Im not 100% sure that was Sandy's intent on Ceech. E.g. the Nimmo pick was all upside -- the guy didnt even have a HS team. And there was nothing safe about the Dom Smith pick, as a short, low power 1B. Dom had/has to thread a needle to carve out a successful career.
I just think they were favoring stuff like hustle, eye and approach over pure 5-tool skill at the time.
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Teflon Terry can't play him over Conforto
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any MLB draft, it's such a crapshoot even in the first round, but when you draft a guy at 12 who projects to maybe a utility player I think it's time to retire.
My guess is that half the players in the 1st round of the 2012 draft haven't reached the majors and maybe they won't (though HS picks are still young enough).
But, and this is just my philosophy, but I'd almost 100% of the time roll the dice on a high upside guy and have him fail than use pick 12 on a guy that "may become a utility player"
I find that trying to outthink the top of the draft in any sport is usually a mistake. Dont draft for downside, draft for upside.
Im not 100% sure that was Sandy's intent on Ceech. E.g. the Nimmo pick was all upside -- the guy didnt even have a HS team. And there was nothing safe about the Dom Smith pick, as a short, low power 1B. Dom had/has to thread a needle to carve out a successful career.
I just think they were favoring stuff like hustle, eye and approach over pure 5-tool skill at the time.
I had no issues with the Nimmo pick, seemed raw, but uber athletic (allegedly) and while the projection wasn't there, and he wasn't expected to go that high (most mocks had him a the end of the first round) if the Mets scouts saw him as a plus defender, who could play CF with a decent bat go for it.
if he fails he fails a lot of baseball picks fail.
and hind sight is 20/20 with drafts, but when you take a player projected to get 32nd or thereabouts by nearly everyone before the draft at 13 you better know something.
And I don't even want to knock the Mets scouts.
Conforto was a HR, Rosario looks legit, Smith a good pick, Fulmer obviously panned out, and more.
That was pretty funny lol.
Heyman backed up the trade tooth and nail
The Yankees have shown interest in trading for Neil Walker according to @JonHeyman.
this is sarcasm obviously before anyone overreacts, though I do hope the Mets trade Walker, and I don't care even a little bit if it's to the Yankees and Walker has a 2015-Cespedes like stretch run (though that's unlikely).
Getting extra playing time to see what we have with Nimmo, Lagares and Flores is a really nice bonus too.
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the QO to Bruce was kind of a no-brainer, I don't think there was a chance they'd offer it to Walker, though I have read they may try and work out a short-term deal with him if he's not traded.
Similar to Gregory Guerrero so far who got $1.5M
Maybe the Mets thought they were signing Vlad Jr.