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NFT: Indians close to acquiring Jay Bruce

Anakim : 8/9/2017 9:51 pm
I know I'm not a baseball fan, but figured some would find this of interest


Jeff Passan& #8207;Verified account @JeffPassan
Source: Indians finalizing a deal to acquire Jay Bruce. Cleveland taking on all of Bruce's salary. @jcrasnick first on it being close.
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RE: The Mets should 100%  
spike : 8/10/2017 2:46 pm : link
In comment 13555186 pjcas18 said:
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have offered Bruce the QO if they didn't deal him, worst case is another year of a guy hitting 30+ HR's for 17M in RF and Conforto plays CF for a season, best case is he rejects it, signs elsewhere and the Mets get a 2nd round comp pick.

the QO to Bruce was kind of a no-brainer, I don't think there was a chance they'd offer it to Walker, though I have read they may try and work out a short-term deal with him if he's not traded.


Walker wont get a QO because he took it last year
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DanMetroMan : 8/10/2017 2:47 pm : link
The Mets will wait just long enough to call up Smith where we aren't sure if he's ready to take over at 1b to open 2018 #Mets
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spike : 8/10/2017 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13555202 DanMetroMan said:
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The Mets will wait just long enough to call up Smith where we aren't sure if he's ready to take over at 1b to open 2018 #Mets

We got Wilmer as our new 1st baseman
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Eric on Li : 8/10/2017 2:57 pm : link
In comment 13555204 spike said:
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In comment 13555202 DanMetroMan said:


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The Mets will wait just long enough to call up Smith where we aren't sure if he's ready to take over at 1b to open 2018 #Mets


We got Wilmer as our new 1st baseman


It would be a very Mets thing to bring Dom up and have him platoon.
RE: The Mets should 100%  
Metnut : 8/10/2017 3:02 pm : link
In comment 13555186 pjcas18 said:
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have offered Bruce the QO if they didn't deal him, worst case is another year of a guy hitting 30+ HR's for 17M in RF and Conforto plays CF for a season, best case is he rejects it, signs elsewhere and the Mets get a 2nd round comp pick.

the QO to Bruce was kind of a no-brainer, I don't think there was a chance they'd offer it to Walker, though I have read they may try and work out a short-term deal with him if he's not traded.


I think the worst case is that he would accept the QO, eating up close to 15% of the team's payroll (based on a $130M payroll), and revert back to the player he was throughout 2013-2015 (essentially zero WAR over 3 full seasons). Even worse, he'd also add wear and tear on Conforto by exposing him to another full season CF.

I'm glad he's gone and the Mets won't stupidly offer him the QO. If he makes $18M next year I'll come here and own it and say I'm wrong but I'm not worried because there's zero chance that happens.

RE: RE: The Mets should 100%  
pjcas18 : 8/10/2017 3:04 pm : link
In comment 13555219 Metnut said:
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In comment 13555186 pjcas18 said:


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have offered Bruce the QO if they didn't deal him, worst case is another year of a guy hitting 30+ HR's for 17M in RF and Conforto plays CF for a season, best case is he rejects it, signs elsewhere and the Mets get a 2nd round comp pick.

the QO to Bruce was kind of a no-brainer, I don't think there was a chance they'd offer it to Walker, though I have read they may try and work out a short-term deal with him if he's not traded.



I think the worst case is that he would accept the QO, eating up close to 15% of the team's payroll (based on a $130M payroll), and revert back to the player he was throughout 2013-2015 (essentially zero WAR over 3 full seasons). Even worse, he'd also add wear and tear on Conforto by exposing him to another full season CF.

I'm glad he's gone and the Mets won't stupidly offer him the QO. If he makes $18M next year I'll come here and own it and say I'm wrong but I'm not worried because there's zero chance that happens.


Who do you replace Bruce with that is going to duplicate or improve his production and cost less than 18M?
For the rest of the season  
Metnut : 8/10/2017 3:05 pm : link
I'd like to see the Mets go with an IF of:

Smith, Flores, Rosario and Cabrera (if not dealt). Let Reyes play utility to give other guys a day off every now and then. Let's see if Flores can keep hitting and let's see if Cabrera is worth his option. Hopefully they find some sucker to take Walker because he looks shot and has no future here and any playing time he gets is a waste.

For OF, start Conforto and Cespedes pretty much every day and give the rest of the time to Nimmo/Lagares. I'd give Cespedes an additional day off every week too which should give even more ABs to Nimmo/Lagares.
PJ,  
Metnut : 8/10/2017 3:09 pm : link
My point is that it isn't likely that Jay Bruce can replace most his own 2017 production in 2018. Look at the player he's been for most of his recent career rather than a little more than 4 months. Look at how little interest there was for this guy around MLB. Another year of aging will make him even worse defensively and add wear and tear on our biggest non thor/degrom asset.

Bat first corner OFs are pretty cheap now in MLB. If the Mets really want Bruce back, they'll be able to get him for a lot less than $18M.
Metnut  
pjcas18 : 8/10/2017 3:21 pm : link
Bruce is producing right at his career norms. Last year as a Met was a down "year" for him.

RE: Metnut  
pjcas18 : 8/10/2017 3:24 pm : link
In comment 13555233 pjcas18 said:
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Bruce is producing right at his career norms. Last year as a Met was a down "year" for him.


And $18M would be total commitment for Bruce if he accepts the QO, like Murphy, assuming he rejects it, he'd likely get a 3 year $35M offer somewhere and I'd rather the one year $18M. And Bruce is far more likely to accept $35M than $18M guaranteed.

RE: Metnut  
Metnut : 8/10/2017 3:28 pm : link
In comment 13555233 pjcas18 said:
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Bruce is producing right at his career norms. Last year as a Met was a down "year" for him.


His 2014-2016 numbers (0.2 total fWar over 3 seasons and almost 1600 ABs and an OBP under 300) is a much larger sample size than 4 months in 2017. I'm not willing to gamble $18M of payroll that 2017 Bruce is the real player, especially since we're an NL team and he has to play the field here.
Murphy's last 3  
Metnut : 8/10/2017 3:31 pm : link
years with the Mets he put up 8 fWAR. That's A LOT more than Bruce put up in the past 4 years.

If Bruce gets a Murphy contract from someone I'll come here and admit I was wrong but I think zero chance that happens. He was a sure bet to accept the QO since no one will come close to paying him $18M. The last thing the Mets need is more dead money.
RE: Murphy's last 3  
pjcas18 : 8/10/2017 3:37 pm : link
In comment 13555239 Metnut said:
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years with the Mets he put up 8 fWAR. That's A LOT more than Bruce put up in the past 4 years.

If Bruce gets a Murphy contract from someone I'll come here and admit I was wrong but I think zero chance that happens. He was a sure bet to accept the QO since no one will come close to paying him $18M. The last thing the Mets need is more dead money.


Bruce's WAR is impacted by his defense. I do not subscribe fully to being able to quantify defense through advanced statistics, you do, so great that's how you sign players.

If you really need an advanced stat I'd use wRC+ before WAR, especially after watching practically a full season of Bruce, while he's not a gold glover out there I felt like some of his defensive reputation is over-exaggerated.

And you have to replace Bruce with someone, and my sense is there is no one ready in the system and no free agent is going to do that in 2018 for less than an $18M commitment (total commitment).

But again, this is worst case, I feel fairly confident Bruce would reject the QO and get an offer like Murphy got and accept it to go elsewhere, probably to an AL team that can DH him.

but obviously it's a moot point.

Don't think we're going  
Metnut : 8/10/2017 3:40 pm : link
to agree on this one PJ.

I'll just add that viewing his defense through my eyes matches what the metrics say.
RE: Don't think we're going  
pjcas18 : 8/10/2017 3:41 pm : link
In comment 13555245 Metnut said:
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to agree on this one PJ.

I'll just add that viewing his defense through my eyes matches what the metrics say.


Even if it does, I am pretty confident he would have rejected the QO. But like I said it's moot now, so we can both claim victory and it's not provable either way, LOL.
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DanMetroMan : 8/10/2017 3:50 pm : link
Nimmo is the perfect example of "use this time" to make decisions. ST is mostly useless and late Sept. can be too. Use this time to judge... is Nimmo a 4th OF? Is he a 5th? is he a AAAA player?
Lol  
DanMetroMan : 8/10/2017 4:10 pm : link
Collins says Granderson will remain the starter. Too hot to bench him. Moron.
RE: Lol  
Mike in NY : 8/10/2017 5:11 pm : link
In comment 13555265 DanMetroMan said:
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Collins says Granderson will remain the starter. Too hot to bench him. Moron.


That alone should be a fireable offense. You trade Bruce to get Nimmo consistent AB's PERIOD
Only in Terry Collins world  
Mike in NY : 8/10/2017 5:13 pm : link
Is a player hitting 3 for 17 in August too hot to bench
I kind of skimmed  
Metnut : 8/10/2017 5:27 pm : link
Dan's post and thought he was joking. Holy shit he's not. Terrible.
RE: Lol  
arcarsenal : 8/10/2017 8:11 pm : link
In comment 13555265 DanMetroMan said:
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Collins says Granderson will remain the starter. Too hot to bench him. Moron.


LOL, this is ridiculous.

I guess Terry really doesn't give a shit about the future of the team, it's not like he'll be here so what does he care.

Might as well stay close with the older guys.

Oy.
RE: RE: Lol  
spike : 8/10/2017 8:12 pm : link
In comment 13555442 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13555265 DanMetroMan said:


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Collins says Granderson will remain the starter. Too hot to bench him. Moron.



LOL, this is ridiculous.

I guess Terry really doesn't give a shit about the future of the team, it's not like he'll be here so what does he care.

Might as well stay close with the older guys.

Oy.


Let TC go and put Dick Scott in charge. David Wright can be bench coach .
when will they add Tebow as  
spike : 8/10/2017 9:46 pm : link
part of their top 30 prospects?
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