Thompson may not even go down as the worst Giants pick of that particular draft year if Flowers has anything to say about it.
Says the guy who is OK with expecting absolutely nothing beyong round 4 in the draft despite our starting RB and RT being 5th and 6th rounds picks not to mention we have an all pro undrafted DT.. But ill bite, Id prefer a reach than an absolute bust anyday.. Tell me who is our LT the past two years if we dont take Flowers? Tell me, did Mykkele even bring any level of competition to this team? Did he help in ANY way at all? If not its going to be hard for Flowers to be a 'worse' pick.
How are people so sure how he would have done if healthy? He was injured his entire time here. And, the Giants have a very good secondary now so it's no embarrassment to not make this team. There will be some pretty good players, including others in the secondary, who won't make this team. What I'm really curious about though are the number of people who "knew" on draft that this was a bad pick. Did you know because you saw the game film? Or, did watch all or a few of Texas games on television? Or. were you not impressed with his youtube highlights? Was his Wonderlic test not high enough for you? Was his psychological profile questionable? Did you read that he was no good in a magazine or did Mel Kiper or Kiper type say that somewhere? Are you connected to the Texas coaching staff or just some very knowedgeable Texas fans?
If you knew it was a bad pick on draft day, what was the basis for this knowledge? Injuries aside, he semed like an athlete but he may not have been a football player. But, what was the basis for your knowledge other than a gut feeling?
A fifth round pick? Wasted....Even he thought he wouldn't be drafted....hard to believe there wasn't an OLman there between that pick and Hart....
Well, here they are:
TACKLE
6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson Vikings Oklahoma
7 1 218 Anthony Morris Raiders Tennessee State
7 8 225 Jake Rodgers Falcons Eastern Washington
GUARD
5 16 152 Jarvis Harrison Jets Texas A&M
5 40 176 Robert Myers Ravens Tennessee State
6 7 183 Tayo Fabuluje Bears Texas Christian
6 14 190 Ian Silberman 49ers Boston College
6 39 215 Cody Wichmann Rams Fresno State
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5 30 166 Joe Cardona Patriots Navy
6 32 208 Andy Gallik Titans Boston College
7 5 222 Austin Reiter Redskins South Florida
Of those eleven linemen, only Wichmann and Cardona are still with their original teams. Wichmann is a likely backup. Cardona is purely a long-snapper.
this is not really that complicated. Reese was looking for someone who projected athletically to play next to L Collins so he took a 5th Rd shot with this guy. Because of injury we will never know. Calling him a "reach" because of the stupid draft guides or Mel Kuiper's "genius". What a freakin joke!
Thompson may not even go down as the worst Giants pick of that particular draft year if Flowers has anything to say about it.
Says the guy who is OK with expecting absolutely nothing beyong round 4 in the draft despite our starting RB and RT being 5th and 6th rounds picks not to mention we have an all pro undrafted DT..
You say that like there's some tension between enjoying the occasional late round pick that yields a great player, and not expecting that to happen every year.
If Flowers does not pan out to be a good NFL lineman, then I think most would feel taking him at #9 overall was a more egregious, impactful error than Thompson was at #144 overall. Call me fucking crazy.
Thompson may not even go down as the worst Giants pick of that particular draft year if Flowers has anything to say about it.
Says the guy who is OK with expecting absolutely nothing beyong round 4 in the draft despite our starting RB and RT being 5th and 6th rounds picks not to mention we have an all pro undrafted DT..
You say that like there's some tension between enjoying the occasional late round pick that yields a great player, and not expecting that to happen every year.
If anything, this guys argument proves that it is just as likely that an UFA can make an impact as a 5th or 6th rounder. It's a crap shoot at that stage, may as well go with a guy they feel has some upside. BBBs post says it. Great, great post.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: He was just a surprise Reese pick......
A fifth round pick? Wasted....Even he thought he wouldn't be drafted....hard to believe there wasn't an OLman there between that pick and Hart....
Well, here they are:
TACKLE
6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson Vikings Oklahoma
7 1 218 Anthony Morris Raiders Tennessee State
7 8 225 Jake Rodgers Falcons Eastern Washington
GUARD
5 16 152 Jarvis Harrison Jets Texas A&M
5 40 176 Robert Myers Ravens Tennessee State
6 7 183 Tayo Fabuluje Bears Texas Christian
6 14 190 Ian Silberman 49ers Boston College
6 39 215 Cody Wichmann Rams Fresno State
CENTER
5 30 166 Joe Cardona Patriots Navy
6 32 208 Andy Gallik Titans Boston College
7 5 222 Austin Reiter Redskins South Florida
Of those eleven linemen, only Wichmann and Cardona are still with their original teams. Wichmann is a likely backup. Cardona is purely a long-snapper.
Posting is easy. Drafting is hard.
And you make it even harder when you take someone who never should have been drafted.
Oh, puh-leeze.
Go back and look at the 2015 draft. You can make a case that Jay Ajayi or Stefon Diggs (both drafted shortly after Thompson) would have been better picks, but the rest of that draft is replete with guys "who never should have been drafted" but were, by all 32 teams.
You're wasting your time Klaatu. Jeff57 is one of the worst.
"Worst." Translation: "I can never admit that Reese made a mistake. Ever."
Oh, bullshit - Reese has made his share of mistakes just like every other GM in the history of the NFL
The difference is that you're bellyaching over a 5th round pick as if every other front office hit on their pick that round.
Look at the guys drafted there. How many of those names do you recognize? 2-3? There are 32 teams. Do the math.
Why can't you admit that it was a bad pick, at the time it was made. Not in hindsight. I got a lot of shit from some on here when I said it, at the time it was made. Still getting shit by some of the same folks who can't simply admit that it was a bad pick.
This post makes no sense.
How can anyone know a pick is "bad" the day it is made? You knew Thompson was going to get injured right away and wouldn't be able to get healthy?
If you were saying that the day the Giants called his name at the podium, I'd love to congratulate you on having a crystal ball and ask who else is going to get injured this year or not pan out.
Hindsight is the ONLY way to judge a draft pick. No one knows how any drafted player's career is going to play out until it plays out. That's kind of how it works.
If there was a way to know that a draft pick was bad the second it was made, people wouldn't make them.
When you consider the entire draft pool and the number of picks teams have - there's simply not as many quality players as there are picks.
Again, pick any NFL draft ever and I can show you several teams who picked a player who never panned out. It's fish in a barrel. When you get to later on in the draft, you're looking at a lot of guys that you're simply projecting because they have obvious flaws or lack of production. You're taking chances on things like measurables, potential, leadership, etc.
It's one thing to get on a GM for bad reach picks early in a draft when there are players left on the board who were widely regarded as better talents - players who have been more heavily scouted and analyzed.
To whine about a 5th rd pick that didn't pan out? Well, I'm not quite sure what your expectations are. Fans of about 25 other teams can look at that same round and say their GM "wasted" that pick. What would be the point?
who didn't make it. Most 5th-round picks don't. Maybe Thompson was a reach. But maybe the scouts spotted something they liked that made him worth a gamble.
So they gambled and it didn't work out. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Nobody hits on every pick.
Why can't you admit that it was a bad pick, at the time it was made. Not in hindsight. I got a lot of shit from some on here when I said it, at the time it was made. Still getting shit by some of the same folks who can't simply admit that it was a bad pick.
Who is this joker?
"At the time" you knew it was a bad pick. Ok ....but the question that has to be asked is "how the fuck did you know it was a bad pick in 2015"? Explain that one.
You were aware of problems in his game back in 2014 and how this player wasn't worthy of a draft pick. Is that really the point you're trying to make here?
Who is to say how he would've done? The Giants drafted him to play nickel corner and to match up against big receivers and pass-catching TE's. And he might've been good at that if health had permitted.
When I projected the 53 man roster a couple weeks ago I included him, but with the stipulation that he needed to have a healthy camp. He didn't. And now he's gone. Not because the Giants misevaluated his talent, but because his string of injuries meant he was not someone they could rely on to say on the field.
I don't consider his 5th round selection and his time with the Giants to be an indictment on Reese. Shit happens.
He was a fifth round pick. You didn't know who he was and you didn't like it. The odds of him ever making an impact beyond a backup were very slim. So to come on here saying you called it is the dumbest thing I've seen on here in a while. Don't let me stop you from playing couch GM I don't want to take away all your fun
Thompson looked like another example of Reese deciding he was smarter than every other GM. See also Robinson, Adrian
Is every GM that takes a guy as a sleeper being smug or is he looking for a jewel in the rough?
When guys like Andre Reed or Marques Colston were drafted from small schools, is that a GM thinking he's smarter than everyone else, or simply taking a flier that they have a player with a possible huge ceiling?
Picks like Thompson are made all the time. There are DI players who have measureables but not production that get drafted late every year. The majority of them don't pan out. Is that indicative of GM's trying to put the spotlight on themselves or trying to get maximum value from a draft slot that rarely returns value?
I don't know why, but there are a lot of people on BBI who think Reese makes each pick to feel superior and to brag rather than improve the team. I have no clue how that perception started or why it continues.
We're looking at arguably the best roster in recent memory right now, as constructed by our GM and staff. And every single team in the NFL misses in guys. Do the Patriots have a roster comprised 100% of their own draft picks? I don't think so. Everybody misses. The guys who miss the most lose their jobs. Reese still has his.
We could win the SB this year and there will be mouth breathers around here that will still say it was Accorsi's because he drafted Eli...
Seems like he has some talent, just couldnt stay healthy. The Giants knew he wasn't going to make it at either Safety or CB so they let him go early enough so he could find a new team.
As for a wasted pick, I dont see it. He showed enough for the Giants to keep him around for a bit but kept getting hurt. I would consider a wasted pick a guy who gets cut 1st year. Plus 5th - 7th round is a crap shoot, you're talking about 125 players before them. You take some chances on athleticism, maybe something unique. This kid showed he could be on a roster.
Says the guy who is OK with expecting absolutely nothing beyong round 4 in the draft despite our starting RB and RT being 5th and 6th rounds picks not to mention we have an all pro undrafted DT.. But ill bite, Id prefer a reach than an absolute bust anyday.. Tell me who is our LT the past two years if we dont take Flowers? Tell me, did Mykkele even bring any level of competition to this team? Did he help in ANY way at all? If not its going to be hard for Flowers to be a 'worse' pick.
If you knew it was a bad pick on draft day, what was the basis for this knowledge? Injuries aside, he semed like an athlete but he may not have been a football player. But, what was the basis for your knowledge other than a gut feeling?
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A fifth round pick? Wasted....Even he thought he wouldn't be drafted....hard to believe there wasn't an OLman there between that pick and Hart....
Well, here they are:
TACKLE
6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson Vikings Oklahoma
7 1 218 Anthony Morris Raiders Tennessee State
7 8 225 Jake Rodgers Falcons Eastern Washington
GUARD
5 16 152 Jarvis Harrison Jets Texas A&M
5 40 176 Robert Myers Ravens Tennessee State
6 7 183 Tayo Fabuluje Bears Texas Christian
6 14 190 Ian Silberman 49ers Boston College
6 39 215 Cody Wichmann Rams Fresno State
CENTER
5 30 166 Joe Cardona Patriots Navy
6 32 208 Andy Gallik Titans Boston College
7 5 222 Austin Reiter Redskins South Florida
Of those eleven linemen, only Wichmann and Cardona are still with their original teams. Wichmann is a likely backup. Cardona is purely a long-snapper.
Posting is easy. Drafting is hard.
LOL! Love this post and you too BBB!
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Thompson may not even go down as the worst Giants pick of that particular draft year if Flowers has anything to say about it.
Says the guy who is OK with expecting absolutely nothing beyong round 4 in the draft despite our starting RB and RT being 5th and 6th rounds picks not to mention we have an all pro undrafted DT..
You say that like there's some tension between enjoying the occasional late round pick that yields a great player, and not expecting that to happen every year.
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Thompson may not even go down as the worst Giants pick of that particular draft year if Flowers has anything to say about it.
Says the guy who is OK with expecting absolutely nothing beyong round 4 in the draft despite our starting RB and RT being 5th and 6th rounds picks not to mention we have an all pro undrafted DT..
You say that like there's some tension between enjoying the occasional late round pick that yields a great player, and not expecting that to happen every year.
If anything, this guys argument proves that it is just as likely that an UFA can make an impact as a 5th or 6th rounder. It's a crap shoot at that stage, may as well go with a guy they feel has some upside. BBBs post says it. Great, great post.
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A fifth round pick? Wasted....Even he thought he wouldn't be drafted....hard to believe there wasn't an OLman there between that pick and Hart....
Well, here they are:
TACKLE
6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson Vikings Oklahoma
7 1 218 Anthony Morris Raiders Tennessee State
7 8 225 Jake Rodgers Falcons Eastern Washington
GUARD
5 16 152 Jarvis Harrison Jets Texas A&M
5 40 176 Robert Myers Ravens Tennessee State
6 7 183 Tayo Fabuluje Bears Texas Christian
6 14 190 Ian Silberman 49ers Boston College
6 39 215 Cody Wichmann Rams Fresno State
CENTER
5 30 166 Joe Cardona Patriots Navy
6 32 208 Andy Gallik Titans Boston College
7 5 222 Austin Reiter Redskins South Florida
Of those eleven linemen, only Wichmann and Cardona are still with their original teams. Wichmann is a likely backup. Cardona is purely a long-snapper.
Posting is easy. Drafting is hard.
And you make it even harder when you take someone who never should have been drafted.
Oh, puh-leeze.
Go back and look at the 2015 draft. You can make a case that Jay Ajayi or Stefon Diggs (both drafted shortly after Thompson) would have been better picks, but the rest of that draft is replete with guys "who never should have been drafted" but were, by all 32 teams.
You're wasting your time Klaatu. Jeff57 is one of the worst.
"Worst." Translation: "I can never admit that Reese made a mistake. Ever."
Oh, bullshit - Reese has made his share of mistakes just like every other GM in the history of the NFL
The difference is that you're bellyaching over a 5th round pick as if every other front office hit on their pick that round.
Look at the guys drafted there. How many of those names do you recognize? 2-3? There are 32 teams. Do the math.
Why can't you admit that it was a bad pick, at the time it was made. Not in hindsight. I got a lot of shit from some on here when I said it, at the time it was made. Still getting shit by some of the same folks who can't simply admit that it was a bad pick.
This post makes no sense.
How can anyone know a pick is "bad" the day it is made? You knew Thompson was going to get injured right away and wouldn't be able to get healthy?
If you were saying that the day the Giants called his name at the podium, I'd love to congratulate you on having a crystal ball and ask who else is going to get injured this year or not pan out.
Hindsight is the ONLY way to judge a draft pick. No one knows how any drafted player's career is going to play out until it plays out. That's kind of how it works.
If there was a way to know that a draft pick was bad the second it was made, people wouldn't make them.
When you consider the entire draft pool and the number of picks teams have - there's simply not as many quality players as there are picks.
Again, pick any NFL draft ever and I can show you several teams who picked a player who never panned out. It's fish in a barrel. When you get to later on in the draft, you're looking at a lot of guys that you're simply projecting because they have obvious flaws or lack of production. You're taking chances on things like measurables, potential, leadership, etc.
It's one thing to get on a GM for bad reach picks early in a draft when there are players left on the board who were widely regarded as better talents - players who have been more heavily scouted and analyzed.
To whine about a 5th rd pick that didn't pan out? Well, I'm not quite sure what your expectations are. Fans of about 25 other teams can look at that same round and say their GM "wasted" that pick. What would be the point?
So they gambled and it didn't work out. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Nobody hits on every pick.
Who is this joker?
"At the time" you knew it was a bad pick. Ok ....but the question that has to be asked is "how the fuck did you know it was a bad pick in 2015"? Explain that one.
You were aware of problems in his game back in 2014 and how this player wasn't worthy of a draft pick. Is that really the point you're trying to make here?
When I projected the 53 man roster a couple weeks ago I included him, but with the stipulation that he needed to have a healthy camp. He didn't. And now he's gone. Not because the Giants misevaluated his talent, but because his string of injuries meant he was not someone they could rely on to say on the field.
I don't consider his 5th round selection and his time with the Giants to be an indictment on Reese. Shit happens.
5th round picks are locks to make any team and contribute? SMH.
Hopefully he can stay healthy and catch on somewhere else. If not, he gave it a shot
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Another Jerry R. draft pick head-scratcher.
There's not really such a thing as a 5th round pick head scratcher.
nto fair to give Reese shit for a 5th round safety.. as a "reach"
Is every GM that takes a guy as a sleeper being smug or is he looking for a jewel in the rough?
When guys like Andre Reed or Marques Colston were drafted from small schools, is that a GM thinking he's smarter than everyone else, or simply taking a flier that they have a player with a possible huge ceiling?
Picks like Thompson are made all the time. There are DI players who have measureables but not production that get drafted late every year. The majority of them don't pan out. Is that indicative of GM's trying to put the spotlight on themselves or trying to get maximum value from a draft slot that rarely returns value?
I don't know why, but there are a lot of people on BBI who think Reese makes each pick to feel superior and to brag rather than improve the team. I have no clue how that perception started or why it continues.
We could win the SB this year and there will be mouth breathers around here that will still say it was Accorsi's because he drafted Eli...
Another great mid round pick...
As for a wasted pick, I dont see it. He showed enough for the Giants to keep him around for a bit but kept getting hurt. I would consider a wasted pick a guy who gets cut 1st year. Plus 5th - 7th round is a crap shoot, you're talking about 125 players before them. You take some chances on athleticism, maybe something unique. This kid showed he could be on a roster.
hurt . I thought he was #27 .
Not even going to get into the selection not worth it
It's common. This happens everywhere.
If you miss in the 5th, that's the process. Ereck Flowers might be the first 1st round pick Reese has missed on in 10 years.
Those are the ones that cripple you if you mess up. There are teams in the NFL that can't even get those right.