right now the 5 most interesting FA to me are Cain, Lucroy (I assume at this point he's gonna need to take a 1 year prove it deal) and 3 tier 2 relievers (McGee/Reed/Gregerson). Hard to envision any better candidates at their respective positions on the trade market and none should break the bank. Would love something creative like the Ozuna/Prado idea, just looking at the general baseball landscape there aren't very many catchers or centerfielders out there with more upside than Cain or Lucroy.
At best he would be a massive question mark coming into the spring and he would be competing with 4-5 other underwhelming candidates. Just doesn't seem like a fit for either party assuming he doesn't retire anyway.
He's 43 years old. If you can't find a pitcher you like that's younger than that, that's a bad job by the front office. They were lucky to get what they got out of him. The odds that he will still be effective going forward are even less now.
Why the hell is Salas still clogging a roster spot?
At best he would be a massive question mark coming into the spring and he would be competing with 4-5 other underwhelming candidates. Just doesn't seem like a fit for either party assuming he doesn't retire anyway.
a) they aren't paying Darvish
b) he's durable and don't look now but he's won his last 2 games in Min (4 era in 5 starts)
c) he likes it here and the pitching staff likes him
d) he'd be cheap and already been willing to shift to the bullpen (which other mid-tier starters wouldn't want to do)
At best he would be a massive question mark coming into the spring and he would be competing with 4-5 other underwhelming candidates. Just doesn't seem like a fit for either party assuming he doesn't retire anyway.
a) they aren't paying Darvish
b) he's durable and don't look now but he's won his last 2 games in Min (4 era in 5 starts)
c) he likes it here and the pitching staff likes him
d) he'd be cheap and already been willing to shift to the bullpen (which other mid-tier starters wouldn't want to do)
He's like our el duque.
Whether they pay Darvish or not has nothing to do with Colon. I'm pretty sure Wheeler and Harvey had two game stretches this year that were good also and they offer a lot more upside. It also doesn't matter if pitchers are willing to move to the pen or not. They are under contract and there are only so many spots. Some of our starters aren't going to have a choice. Sorry. Just don't see it.
1 week ago he had an ERA/FIP in the 3s in Vegas. Looks like he got touched up recently. You'd rather see Salas over somebody with a 3 era in Vegas all year?
I might have had that backwards. Apologies. It was during the broadcast the other night. Might have been in "save opportunities."
They cited a BS stat. He has a .88 era... in games where he records a save, any "okay" closer is going to have an extremely low era in games they record a save. His era closing out a game is 2.77.
1 week ago he had an ERA/FIP in the 3s in Vegas. Looks like he got touched up recently. You'd rather see Salas over somebody with a 3 era in Vegas all year?
I didn't even want Salas back so you are talking to the wrong guy. We will see Callahan shortly, McGowan will be a 40 man consideration so they may give him a look (he has SO bad this spring that they may have seen enough/not think much of him)
has a FIP over 4 and his ERA matches that. That's horrific for a late inning reliever. If he can't cut his BB/9 he's going to drive us nuts in big games next year.
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I might have had that backwards. Apologies. It was during the broadcast the other night. Might have been in "save opportunities."
They cited a BS stat. He has a .88 era... in games where he records a save, any "okay" closer is going to have an extremely low era in games they record a save. His era closing out a game is 2.77.
That's exactly what it was. 0.88. Thanks for the clarification. 2.77 is still aces for me.
has a FIP over 4 and his ERA matches that. That's horrific for a late inning reliever. If he can't cut his BB/9 he's going to drive us nuts in big games next year.
Career 2.85 ERA and 3.27 FIP. I'd trust the bigger sample. He's a fine setup man.
1 week ago he had an ERA/FIP in the 3s in Vegas. Looks like he got touched up recently. You'd rather see Salas over somebody with a 3 era in Vegas all year?
I didn't even want Salas back so you are talking to the wrong guy. We will see Callahan shortly, McGowan will be a 40 man consideration so they may give him a look (he has SO bad this spring that they may have seen enough/not think much of him)
My point was Salas needs to be gone and his spot needs to be given to a young guy. Who that is? I don't care.
just saying it's a silly stat to value if thats what they did. You aren't going to be recording saves with a high era in those games. It's nearly "impossible" to do.
me any closer that closed for any period of time and you will find extremely low era's in games they recorded a save. It's not my "opinion" it's just logic. Ricky Bottalico 1.03 era when recording a save ( just checked him because I saw his name with Benitez).
Said I heard it in on the broadcast and may have misheard it.. and it was definitely the case. Good news, an ERA in the 2s for the 9th inning is stilll very good.
has a FIP over 4 and his ERA matches that. That's horrific for a late inning reliever. If he can't cut his BB/9 he's going to drive us nuts in big games next year.
Career 2.85 ERA and 3.27 FIP. I'd trust the bigger sample. He's a fine setup man.
Fair enough. I've made similar arguments against Bruce. He hasn't really passed the eye test for me so far though either.
Flores in the lineup again tonight. No Nimmo or Lagares though. Hopefully Flores keeps hitting and keeps playing.
The Mets lineup tonight is going to include Amed Rosario, Dominic Smith and Michael Conforto. That's pretty exciting.
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But my guess is starters are an after thought this offseason.
But instead starters with good stuff but not equal success who might be having trouble signing elsewhere. Might be sold on the idea of coming here, working with Warthen and Viola. With an outside shot at a rotation spot, with two fallbacks of the bullpen and AAA depth.
A good agent would see that as a career turning opportunity. A bad agent would sign for ten cents more from someone else and the kid is out of baseball in a year or two.
But my guess is starters are an after thought this offseason.
But instead starters with good stuff but not equal success who might be having trouble signing elsewhere. Might be sold on the idea of coming here, working with Warthen and Viola. With an outside shot at a rotation spot, with two fallbacks of the bullpen and AAA depth.
A good agent would see that as a career turning opportunity. A bad agent would sign for ten cents more from someone else and the kid is out of baseball in a year or two.
Makes a ton of sense. Barring an overpay no established starter is signing here knowing that their spot is in competition with at least 5 guys who at any given time could be better. On the flip side, a guy looking to breakthrough could look favorably at a depth chart with injury prone pitchers on top.
Tommy Milone, on the DL since late May with a sprained knee, made his fourth start for Double-A Binghamton on Wednesday, allowing three runs over 5 2/3 innings.
Milone should be back in the mix for a spot in the Mets' rotation after one more start, though it'd be better if the Mets could stick him in middle relief instead. Overall, he has a 4.20 ERA and a 10/2 K/BB ratio in 15 innings in his rehab assignment.
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Long man in the pen and pitch in those blowout losses
Fears that starters will be an after thought. every one of us here and every one who has a lick of common sense knows that the problem with this team is starting pitching, yet we also all know in our hearts that starting pitching is expsnsive and that this front office and this ownership group aren't going to spend when they can point to upside in current roster. So shecky has also indicated that they aren't spending any money on front line relievers either.
Sooooooooo with upwards of what 60-70 million in payroll being freed up what exactly are we going to spend money on? My bet is one 10-14 million per position player, plus one 4-6 million starter who could go to pen, and one 4-5 reliever and they call it a day. Which would put us back in bottom third of payroll and make us all explode as Sethfromastoria comes on and lectures us about some bs.
Fears that starters will be an after thought. every one of us here and every one who has a lick of common sense knows that the problem with this team is starting pitching, yet we also all know in our hearts that starting pitching is expsnsive and that this front office and this ownership group aren't going to spend when they can point to upside in current roster. So shecky has also indicated that they aren't spending any money on front line relievers either.
Sooooooooo with upwards of what 60-70 million in payroll being freed up what exactly are we going to spend money on? My bet is one 10-14 million per position player, plus one 4-6 million starter who could go to pen, and one 4-5 reliever and they call it a day. Which would put us back in bottom third of payroll and make us all explode as Sethfromastoria comes on and lectures us about some bs.
I am all for building from within, but to do that you actually need to spend in the draft, not leaving substantial money on the table because you overdrafted college bats in Rounds 3 and 5 whose profiles scream 4th OF because they would sign below slot and then take senior relievers in Rounds 6-10.
Budget in the draft or damn near close (DMM would know exact amount). Dans issue is more with allocation of budget, this year they way over paid for second round pick which essentially resulted in only having three draft picks in first 10 rounds who have a shot. It's kind of whether you prefer a small amount of high upside or a bunch of medium upside.
spent all but 3,000, technically they could have spent more (5% without taxation) but yeah they spent 4.4 million on the first 2 picks out of 6.46 million in pool money for the first 10 rounds. So picks 3-10 combined to get less than 2 million combined.
I went down a fangraphs rabbit hole yesterday and saw this article from June, apparently Thompson found a glove. Over the last 3 months he's posted an .820 ops and for the season he's back to being a league average hitter. I know he appears older for the level, but his age has always been skewed from attempting CFB and the injury issues. Hopefully he can finish the year strong.
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As a professional, Thompsons profile has nearly inverted. He was worth +10 runs at third over 50 games at short-season Brooklyn in 2015 according to Clay Davenports fielding metrics. Last year, Thompson produced +12 runs defensively in 45 games at Low-A Columbia by that same measure. Baseball Prospectuss methodology has also consistently rated Thompson an above-average defender.
As for the offense, however, that hasnt translated as well to the pro game. While some of Thompsons end-of-season lines have been fine, hes failed to exhibit both the contact skills and game power that defined his appeal as a collegiate until this past week, that is. Indeed, in the 21 plate appearances since last Fridays edition of the Five, the 23-year-old has recorded a 4:2 walk-to-strikeout ratio at Double-A Binghamton while also hitting two doubles and three home runs. Building off either that run of contact or of power would in combination with the defense point to future major-league success.
DeGrom
Darvish
Matz (yes I still believe he finishes strong)
Harvey, Wheeler, Lugo, Gsellman, Montero, Flexen
Would be fine by me!
a) they aren't paying Darvish
b) he's durable and don't look now but he's won his last 2 games in Min (4 era in 5 starts)
c) he likes it here and the pitching staff likes him
d) he'd be cheap and already been willing to shift to the bullpen (which other mid-tier starters wouldn't want to do)
He's like our el duque.
? AJ Ramos career 9th inning era is 2.35
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At best he would be a massive question mark coming into the spring and he would be competing with 4-5 other underwhelming candidates. Just doesn't seem like a fit for either party assuming he doesn't retire anyway.
a) they aren't paying Darvish
b) he's durable and don't look now but he's won his last 2 games in Min (4 era in 5 starts)
c) he likes it here and the pitching staff likes him
d) he'd be cheap and already been willing to shift to the bullpen (which other mid-tier starters wouldn't want to do)
He's like our el duque.
Whether they pay Darvish or not has nothing to do with Colon. I'm pretty sure Wheeler and Harvey had two game stretches this year that were good also and they offer a lot more upside. It also doesn't matter if pitchers are willing to move to the pen or not. They are under contract and there are only so many spots. Some of our starters aren't going to have a choice. Sorry. Just don't see it.
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ERA in the ninth inning? It's in the zeroes.
? AJ Ramos career 9th inning era is 2.35
I might have had that backwards. Apologies. It was during the broadcast the other night. Might have been in "save opportunities."
1 week ago he had an ERA/FIP in the 3s in Vegas. Looks like he got touched up recently. You'd rather see Salas over somebody with a 3 era in Vegas all year?
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ERA in the ninth inning? It's in the zeroes.
? AJ Ramos career 9th inning era is 2.35
I might have had that backwards. Apologies. It was during the broadcast the other night. Might have been in "save opportunities."
They cited a BS stat. He has a .88 era... in games where he records a save, any "okay" closer is going to have an extremely low era in games they record a save. His era closing out a game is 2.77.
And that's still close enough. If Darvish costs 140 million and Lynn costs 100 million I know which one I'd rather have.
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1 week ago he had an ERA/FIP in the 3s in Vegas. Looks like he got touched up recently. You'd rather see Salas over somebody with a 3 era in Vegas all year?
I didn't even want Salas back so you are talking to the wrong guy. We will see Callahan shortly, McGowan will be a 40 man consideration so they may give him a look (he has SO bad this spring that they may have seen enough/not think much of him)
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ERA in the ninth inning? It's in the zeroes.
? AJ Ramos career 9th inning era is 2.35
I might have had that backwards. Apologies. It was during the broadcast the other night. Might have been in "save opportunities."
They cited a BS stat. He has a .88 era... in games where he records a save, any "okay" closer is going to have an extremely low era in games they record a save. His era closing out a game is 2.77.
That's exactly what it was. 0.88. Thanks for the clarification. 2.77 is still aces for me.
Career 2.85 ERA and 3.27 FIP. I'd trust the bigger sample. He's a fine setup man.
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has walked 20 in 34 innings
1 week ago he had an ERA/FIP in the 3s in Vegas. Looks like he got touched up recently. You'd rather see Salas over somebody with a 3 era in Vegas all year?
I didn't even want Salas back so you are talking to the wrong guy. We will see Callahan shortly, McGowan will be a 40 man consideration so they may give him a look (he has SO bad this spring that they may have seen enough/not think much of him)
My point was Salas needs to be gone and his spot needs to be given to a young guy. Who that is? I don't care.
Ahahahahaha, 'Mando. Time flies.
Benitez was a fantastic closer so that's nice to hear.
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has a FIP over 4 and his ERA matches that. That's horrific for a late inning reliever. If he can't cut his BB/9 he's going to drive us nuts in big games next year.
Career 2.85 ERA and 3.27 FIP. I'd trust the bigger sample. He's a fine setup man.
Fair enough. I've made similar arguments against Bruce. He hasn't really passed the eye test for me so far though either.
Flores in the lineup again tonight. No Nimmo or Lagares though. Hopefully Flores keeps hitting and keeps playing.
The Mets lineup tonight is going to include Amed Rosario, Dominic Smith and Michael Conforto. That's pretty exciting.
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More likely a Cahill signing, at best.
More likely a Cahill signing, at best.
#bringbackbart
But instead starters with good stuff but not equal success who might be having trouble signing elsewhere. Might be sold on the idea of coming here, working with Warthen and Viola. With an outside shot at a rotation spot, with two fallbacks of the bullpen and AAA depth.
A good agent would see that as a career turning opportunity. A bad agent would sign for ten cents more from someone else and the kid is out of baseball in a year or two.
But instead starters with good stuff but not equal success who might be having trouble signing elsewhere. Might be sold on the idea of coming here, working with Warthen and Viola. With an outside shot at a rotation spot, with two fallbacks of the bullpen and AAA depth.
A good agent would see that as a career turning opportunity. A bad agent would sign for ten cents more from someone else and the kid is out of baseball in a year or two.
Makes a ton of sense. Barring an overpay no established starter is signing here knowing that their spot is in competition with at least 5 guys who at any given time could be better. On the flip side, a guy looking to breakthrough could look favorably at a depth chart with injury prone pitchers on top.
Milone should be back in the mix for a spot in the Mets' rotation after one more start, though it'd be better if the Mets could stick him in middle relief instead. Overall, he has a 4.20 ERA and a 10/2 K/BB ratio in 15 innings in his rehab assignment.
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Long man in the pen and pitch in those blowout losses
no idea why they double switched Smith out.
no idea why they double switched Smith out.
pitcher due to leadoff next inning and they wanted to get 1 1/3 out of Sewald
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no idea why they double switched Smith out.
pitcher due to leadoff next inning and they wanted to get 1 1/3 out of Sewald
but why Smith? Why not one of the older guys? like walker?
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goes yard to give the Mets the lead.
no idea why they double switched Smith out.
pitcher due to leadoff next inning and they wanted to get 1 1/3 out of Sewald
but why Smith? Why not one of the older guys? like walker?
Because Walker was batting third the following inning. Rivera made last out and I think they wanted to make sure TdA had complete day off
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goes yard to give the Mets the lead.
no idea why they double switched Smith out.
pitcher due to leadoff next inning and they wanted to get 1 1/3 out of Sewald
but why Smith? Why not one of the older guys? like walker?
Because Walker was batting third the following inning. Rivera made last out and I think they wanted to make sure TdA had complete day off
Oh well, at this point I'd rather see players like Smith get at-bats than sewald pitch 1 1/3 innings.
Sooooooooo with upwards of what 60-70 million in payroll being freed up what exactly are we going to spend money on? My bet is one 10-14 million per position player, plus one 4-6 million starter who could go to pen, and one 4-5 reliever and they call it a day. Which would put us back in bottom third of payroll and make us all explode as Sethfromastoria comes on and lectures us about some bs.
Sooooooooo with upwards of what 60-70 million in payroll being freed up what exactly are we going to spend money on? My bet is one 10-14 million per position player, plus one 4-6 million starter who could go to pen, and one 4-5 reliever and they call it a day. Which would put us back in bottom third of payroll and make us all explode as Sethfromastoria comes on and lectures us about some bs.
I am all for building from within, but to do that you actually need to spend in the draft, not leaving substantial money on the table because you overdrafted college bats in Rounds 3 and 5 whose profiles scream 4th OF because they would sign below slot and then take senior relievers in Rounds 6-10.
Adonis Uceta 2 IP 1 H 2 k
Drew Smith 1 IP 1 H 1 R (Solo HR to Yu-Cheng Chang)
Gsellman 6 IP 3 H 1 Bb 5 K
David Peterson 1.2 IP 2 H 1 BB 3 K (39 pitches)
As for the offense, however, that hasnt translated as well to the pro game. While some of Thompsons end-of-season lines have been fine, hes failed to exhibit both the contact skills and game power that defined his appeal as a collegiate until this past week, that is. Indeed, in the 21 plate appearances since last Fridays edition of the Five, the 23-year-old has recorded a 4:2 walk-to-strikeout ratio at Double-A Binghamton while also hitting two doubles and three home runs. Building off either that run of contact or of power would in combination with the defense point to future major-league success.
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