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Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 8/11/2017 12:52 pm
Buffalo Bills & #8207;Verified account @buffalobills 3m3 minutes ago

We've acquired CB E.J. Gaines and a 2018 2nd round pick from the Rams for WR Sammy Watkins and a 2018 6th round pick.

We've acquired WR Jordan Matthews and a 2018 3rd round pick from the Eagles for CB Ronald Darby.
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The Pegulas refuse to be outdone by Jerrah!  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 8/11/2017 12:53 pm : link
So the Bills swap WRs and CBs and get a second and a third next year.
sorry 6th  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 8/11/2017 12:54 pm : link
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This came out of nowhere.  
GiantFilthy : 8/11/2017 12:54 pm : link
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The AFC East Scram for Sam is ON  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 8/11/2017 12:56 pm : link
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that's a little odd  
santacruzom : 8/11/2017 12:57 pm : link
does that not leave the Bills pretty thin at cornerback?
the Eagles desperately need  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/11/2017 12:58 pm : link
CBs
RE: that's a little odd  
NoPeanutz : 8/11/2017 12:58 pm : link
In comment 13556251 santacruzom said:
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does that not leave the Bills pretty thin at cornerback?

Lezbianest. Where aren't the bills thin.
Why get rid of Darby, kid is a solid cover corner.  
figgy2989 : 8/11/2017 12:59 pm : link
Bills are obviously worse now, but maybe use the draft assets to move up next year to grab one of the stud QB's.
I've always thought Matthews was a nice player for Philly  
BigBlue2112 : 8/11/2017 1:00 pm : link
. Good to see him leave the division
I definitely get it from the Eagles' perspective  
santacruzom : 8/11/2017 1:01 pm : link
But I'm not sure I see it from the Bills' side.

The Eagles' D-line has the potential to be among the league's best. Hopefully Darby doesn't achieve the breakout year some people predicted for him!
RE: The AFC East Scram for Sam is ON  
Matt in SGS : 8/11/2017 1:01 pm : link
In comment 13556245 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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This. Get extra picks. Free up money with Watkins (guess they should have gotten Odell). The rest of the AFC East has figured out that until Brady and Belichick leave, they aren't winning, so built for 2018 and beyond.
This makes Agholor the starter  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 8/11/2017 1:02 pm : link
and his stone hands
RE: I've always thought Matthews was a nice player for Philly  
figgy2989 : 8/11/2017 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13556260 BigBlue2112 said:
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. Good to see him leave the division


I guess he became expendable with the Jeffery signing, but that is only for one year. They got a great young CB.
RE: RE: I've always thought Matthews was a nice player for Philly  
Matt in SGS : 8/11/2017 1:05 pm : link
In comment 13556268 figgy2989 said:
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. Good to see him leave the division



I guess he became expendable with the Jeffery signing, but that is only for one year. They got a great young CB.


I don't know if I'd go that far. Darby has decent size for a corner (5'11", 195). The rest of the division is going to quickly realize that if you don't have players who can cover, the Giants are going to go up and down the field on you. He probably will be a slot corner to help out on Shepard. Still, good luck matching up with Marshall and Engram. Plus a healthy Vereen out of the backfield.
It actually seems like a rare  
pjcas18 : 8/11/2017 1:06 pm : link
smart-ish play by the Bills.

Watkins is often injured and has injuries to areas we've seen rob WR careers (feet) and I won't pretend to know the difference between the two CB's, but say it's close they get a 2nd and 3rd round pick and a WR who has shown more ability than the one they traded to stay on the field. A downgrade in talent, but what good is talent if they don't show up.

Watch Watkins  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/11/2017 1:10 pm : link
Will finally be healthy and live up to his potential.
RE: The Pegulas refuse to be outdone by Jerrah!  
est1986 : 8/11/2017 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13556236 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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So the Bills swap WRs and CBs and get a second and a third next year.


Watkins >>> Matthews
Darby >>> Gaines

Not sure I like Philly getting Darby.. Goff has a much needed weapon now in Watkins..
Only team it doesn't really make sense for  
Kyle in NY : 8/11/2017 1:13 pm : link
is the Rams. Unless they're confident they can retain Watkins after this season.

Buffalo likely knew he wasn't coming back and did well to get assets for him.

Philly gets the corner they desperately needed.
According to Rappaport,  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/11/2017 1:14 pm : link
the Bills have two 1st rounders, two 2nd rounders, and two 3rd rounders in next years' draft.

Hell of a way to build a new team.
RE: According to Rappaport,  
Klaatu : 8/11/2017 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13556289 Dave in Hoboken said:
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the Bills have two 1st rounders, two 2nd rounders, and two 3rd rounders in next years' draft.

Hell of a way to build a new team.


Yup. Sounds like the 49ers from not too long ago, when it seemed like they had two 1st rounders every year.
I woulda preferred Phi  
Cenotaph : 8/11/2017 1:20 pm : link
keeping Matthews and not getting Darby - he's a solid, proven CB, a position the Eagles are really lacking at right now. THey have decent S, but the CB depth in Phi is not good, so this is a big boost to their D. At the cost of a player likely in a reduced role after they added Jefferey and Smith. Matthews is solid but not a #1, and I think Phi got better moving him for a good CB.
Bills  
AcidTest : 8/11/2017 1:22 pm : link
mimicking Cleveland by acquiring as many picks as possible, probably to move up for one of the QBs.

Watkins and Darby are better than Matthews and Gaines, but the latter are decent players. Watkins is also hurt a lot, and the Bills got a second and a third.

Good trade for the Bills.

As others have said, I'd rather not have Darby in our division, but we have a lot of weapons, and at least Matthews is gone.
RE: Only team it doesn't really make sense for  
pjcas18 : 8/11/2017 1:26 pm : link
In comment 13556287 Kyle in NY said:
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is the Rams. Unless they're confident they can retain Watkins after this season.

Buffalo likely knew he wasn't coming back and did well to get assets for him.

Philly gets the corner they desperately needed.


Only thing it could do for the Rams this year is open up some room for Gurley possibly, if Watkins can stay on the field.
Nice job by the Bills  
jeff57 : 8/11/2017 1:26 pm : link
Now have two 1s, two 2s and two 3s next year.
Shrewd from Buffalo  
Go Terps : 8/11/2017 1:26 pm : link
Get something for him before overpaying him.
Dave in H  
old man : 8/11/2017 1:26 pm : link
Yes, especially when that Rams 2nd will likely be a top 15-20, or more likely better.
Eagles desperately needed a corner  
jeff57 : 8/11/2017 1:28 pm : link
Now they can start Darby and Patrick Robinson, with Rasul Douglas as the nickel. If he's recovered, next year they get Nate Jones.
RE: RE: RE: I've always thought Matthews was a nice player for Philly  
figgy2989 : 8/11/2017 1:28 pm : link
In comment 13556272 Matt in SGS said:
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. Good to see him leave the division



I guess he became expendable with the Jeffery signing, but that is only for one year. They got a great young CB.



I don't know if I'd go that far. Darby has decent size for a corner (5'11", 195). The rest of the division is going to quickly realize that if you don't have players who can cover, the Giants are going to go up and down the field on you. He probably will be a slot corner to help out on Shepard. Still, good luck matching up with Marshall and Engram. Plus a healthy Vereen out of the backfield.


Matt, absolutely this deal was made knowing they had to deal with the Giants receiving corps, but to say that Darby is going to be the slot corner is just silly. He would start over both Robinson and Mills.
RE: I definitely get it from the Eagles' perspective  
allstarjim : 8/11/2017 1:29 pm : link
In comment 13556262 santacruzom said:
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But I'm not sure I see it from the Bills' side.

The Eagles' D-line has the potential to be among the league's best. Hopefully Darby doesn't achieve the breakout year some people predicted for him!


Darby is already a great corner, though. Good get for the Eagles, but the Bills give up a good receiver in Matthews and a third round pick. I think this trade is good for both sides, because the Bills are reloading. Matthews isn't as good as Watkins, but he's still a good player, and the picks they got back from the Eagles and Rams are going to help them do a quick rebuild. It will also likely benefit them to tank this year and get their franchise QB in next year's draft. So even if this trade makes them worse for this year (it does), that's not a bad thing for them long-term. And Tom Brady is 40 years old.

what a bust so far  
jnoble : 8/11/2017 1:30 pm : link
all Sammy Watkins does is get hurt and miss games
A friend who is a huge Eagles' fan  
allstarjim : 8/11/2017 1:31 pm : link
Keeps saying that it looks like Agholor has turned the corner, and is poised to be the slot receiver. If that's the case, Matthews was very expendable.
RE: A friend who is a huge Eagles' fan  
jeff57 : 8/11/2017 1:31 pm : link
In comment 13556318 allstarjim said:
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Keeps saying that it looks like Agholor has turned the corner, and is poised to be the slot receiver. If that's the case, Matthews was very expendable.

Dropped a two point conversion last night.
Oh yeah and Darby is only 23 with two  
figgy2989 : 8/11/2017 1:33 pm : link
Years already under his belt.

I really do hate that the Bills sent him the Philly.
I really..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/11/2017 1:35 pm : link
hope this was a joke.

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what a bust so far
jnoble : 1:30 pm : link : reply
all Sammy Watkins does is get hurt and miss games


Watkins first two years he missed 3 games and scored 15 TD's.

That's being a bust? In what fucking universe?
Interesting stuff  
kash94 : 8/11/2017 1:37 pm : link
Good trade for the Bills IMO. Watkins is super injury prone and is a FA after the year I think. Darby is pretty good but they also get a replacement CB, Mathews (underrated guy IMO), and two picks. They won't compete in the AFC East with the Pats until Brady retires so why not build for beyond that.

Not a bad trade for the Eagles. Mathews and a 3rd rounder is definitely a decent bit to give up, but they are trading from a position of strength and Mathews is a FA after the year. If Darby is decent and they resign Jeffrey, could be a good move in the long run.

Weird trade for the Rams. They have a lack of draft picks as-is with the Goff deal and trade a high pick for an injury prone guy who's a FA after the year.
Watkins busted  
averagejoe : 8/11/2017 1:38 pm : link
Another can't miss that missed. Not a huge return for former number one overall pick.

Not afraid of Philly.

Not afraid of Dallas.

Not afraid of Washington.

My only fear is still that the OL will get Eli killed before he has a chance to play with his new toys.
RE: Interesting stuff  
kash94 : 8/11/2017 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13556327 kash94 said:
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Good trade for the Bills IMO. Watkins is super injury prone and is a FA after the year I think. Darby is pretty good but they also get a replacement CB, Mathews (underrated guy IMO), and two picks. They won't compete in the AFC East with the Pats until Brady retires so why not build for beyond that.

Not a bad trade for the Eagles. Mathews and a 3rd rounder is definitely a decent bit to give up, but they are trading from a position of strength and Mathews is a FA after the year. If Darby is decent and they resign Jeffrey, could be a good move in the long run.

Weird trade for the Rams. They have a lack of draft picks as-is with the Goff deal and trade a high pick for an injury prone guy who's a FA after the year.


Ah - didn't realize Watkins played 29 games his first two years. Just used to seeing his name on the injury list a lot!
If you think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/11/2017 1:39 pm : link
Watkins is a bust, you really have a poor grasp of that word
RE: Watkins busted  
YAJ2112 : 8/11/2017 1:40 pm : link
In comment 13556330 averagejoe said:
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Another can't miss that missed. Not a huge return for former number one overall pick.

Not afraid of Philly.

Not afraid of Dallas.

Not afraid of Washington.

My only fear is still that the OL will get Eli killed before he has a chance to play with his new toys.


Watkins was not the number one overall pick
RE: I really..  
crick n NC : 8/11/2017 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13556324 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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hope this was a joke.



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what a bust so far
jnoble : 1:30 pm : link : reply
all Sammy Watkins does is get hurt and miss games



Watkins first two years he missed 3 games and scored 15 TD's.

That's being a bust? In what fucking universe?


I think the perception of Watkins is he is banged up a lot. Maybe he's not, but without looking it up, I think of him as banged up. I think that is what jnoble meant
I understand..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/11/2017 1:44 pm : link
what he meant - and it is damn wrong.

If the perception is Watkins is a bust, then shouldn't the onus be on the people who think that to get a fucking clue?

I won't even get into the discussion that it is really hard to label injured players busts, but one thing Watkins has shown is that when he plays, he's damn good, even while he's had below average QB's throwing the ball.
Too short of a track record  
Giantfan in skinland : 8/11/2017 1:45 pm : link
to call him always banged up.

He's played 16, 13, and 8 games.

He's had trouble since the end of 2015. I guess the question is whether the Bills know something about his foot that the public doesn't. Keep in mind, they didn't just realize they wouldn't be able to re-sign him. They declined a team option for a 5th year this offseason as well. So they REALLY didn't want him back.
Watkins is not what I'd call a bust  
pjcas18 : 8/11/2017 1:46 pm : link
but reality is he has been injured and it's impacted his on-field results.

Jordan Matthews has outperformed Sammy Watkins in their 3 years in the league in receptions, yards and TD's. Matthews has played 9 more games though and that's the point.

Watkins is far more talented than Matthews, and I think the Bills were probably going to struggle on offense anyway, I don't think they'll be noticeably worse with Matthews than Watkins and then re-signing either is debateable.

Good move for Buffalo.
whats the Matthews contract?  
rasbutant : 8/11/2017 1:47 pm : link
How much dead money for Eagles?
How many years left, at what cost to Bills?
RE: Watkins busted  
santacruzom : 8/11/2017 1:52 pm : link
In comment 13556330 averagejoe said:
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Another can't miss that missed. Not a huge return for former number one overall pick.


He wasn't a number 1 overall pick. You can argue that the return hasn't been as good as it should have been for a number 4 pick though, sure, but that's been due to injuries and not a poor evaluation of his talent.
Darby can play.  
area junc : 8/11/2017 1:54 pm : link
The Eagles always seem to make out in these deals.
RE: RE: I really..  
jnoble : 8/11/2017 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13556338 crick n NC said:
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hope this was a joke.



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what a bust so far
jnoble : 1:30 pm : link : reply
all Sammy Watkins does is get hurt and miss games



Watkins first two years he missed 3 games and scored 15 TD's.

That's being a bust? In what fucking universe?



I think the perception of Watkins is he is banged up a lot. Maybe he's not, but without looking it up, I think of him as banged up. I think that is what jnoble meant


This. I don't pay much attention to the Bills but most of what I've heard concerning Watkins is whatever his latest injury or ailment is. If I didn't know any better (which I apparently don't) it seems like he's hardly gotten on the field at all in 3 seasons lol
with the Rams getting Watkins...  
Mike in St. Louis : 8/11/2017 1:55 pm : link
I can guarantee you he will miss at least half the season with injuries...
RE: whats the Matthews contract?  
BillT : 8/11/2017 1:56 pm : link
In comment 13556355 rasbutant said:
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How much dead money for Eagles?
How many years left, at what cost to Bills?

Mathews is on his rookie 2nd round contract. Couldn't be much.
RE: RE: Watkins busted  
Mr. Bungle : 8/11/2017 1:56 pm : link
In comment 13556368 santacruzom said:
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Another can't miss that missed. Not a huge return for former number one overall pick.



He wasn't a number 1 overall pick. You can argue that the return hasn't been as good as it should have been for a number 4 pick though, sure, but that's been due to injuries and not a poor evaluation of his talent.

The Bills traded a boatload to move up to #4 overall.
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