So this will be a good test for our front seven. I don't think we will have issues but it will be good to see how Goodson does and it would be nice if we can generate a pass rush with just our front 4. Also, it would be nice to see Bromley build on his success.
On offense we all know it starts with the OL so this will be a good stepping stone if they play well. If not then the questions will hold more weight.
follow their usual preseason tradition or Mac brings over the Packers preseason philosophy, you won't get much of a sense what the offense plans to do or how they will perform.
To call both teams vanilla in their approach to offense would actually be less boring than it really is.
So this will be a good test for our front seven. I don't think we will have issues but it will be good to see how Goodson does and it would be nice if we can generate a pass rush with just our front 4. Also, it would be nice to see Bromley build on his success.
On offense we all know it starts with the OL so this will be a good stepping stone if they play well. If not then the questions will hold more weight.
I believe 2 to 3 starters on this rebuilt line are injured and will not play tonight.
So this will be a good test for our front seven. I don't think we will have issues but it will be good to see how Goodson does and it would be nice if we can generate a pass rush with just our front 4. Also, it would be nice to see Bromley build on his success.
On offense we all know it starts with the OL so this will be a good stepping stone if they play well. If not then the questions will hold more weight.
I believe 2 to 3 starters on this rebuilt line are injured and will not play tonight.
but I hope Perkins shows a little burst tonight. Also looking forward to seeing Munson out there, considering what we've read so far. I'm going to watch Tomlinson when he's in there as well...he was really active last game.
follow their usual preseason tradition or Mac brings over the Packers preseason philosophy, you won't get much of a sense what the offense plans to do or how they will perform.
To call both teams vanilla in their approach to offense would actually be less boring than it really is.
Okay, but even a vanilla offense should be able to generate an adequate running game if the blocking is there and the backs are able to capitalize on it. That's really the only thing I'll be looking for...any kind of a push by the O-Line to get the run game going. I'm more worried about that than I am about their pass-blocking (but not by much).
A couple of thoughts here, the offense is trying to walk before they run therefore the dink and dunk, quick offense is used frequently. Take what the defense gives you..... With the Oline being suspect we still don't have the luxury to go down field. Add in a running game that scares no one and its all quick passes and draw plays. Until the line improves and a running game is established look for more of the same with a few shots down field hoping the WR crew burns them.
I'd to see him look sharp in limited time. I don't want to see 3rd and longs or three and outs against the Browns. I want to see him on the same page with his WRs.
Yes its probably too early to expect all that, but its either this game or the next. Game 4 doesn't count. I dont want to go into opening night with questions about the improvements on offense.
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Are we going to be one dimensional again this year or not? That's what I'm looking out for.
I hope they keep the FB I have very little confidence in our run game . Without it the points per game will not
improve and with this schedule it will be a tall order to
even win the division .
I'd to see him look sharp in limited time. I don't want to see 3rd and longs or three and outs against the Browns. I want to see him on the same page with his WRs.
Yes its probably too early to expect all that, but its either this game or the next. Game 4 doesn't count. I dont want to go into opening night with questions about the improvements on offense.
If they rang up 40 points a game for the next three games, it would still just be preseason. Not many questions get answered right now.
If they rang up 40 points/game for the next 3 games Â
was about as bad a game a group of O-lineman and Tight Ends could have in recent memory.
The Offense though came out pretty strong for the first 3 regular season games in 2016. They didnt have the ball for that much time vs Dallas but moved it fine when they did. They also had the offense going vs New Orleans and Washington but just kept turning it over.
From there, things started to deteriorate. Both Jennings and Vereen were out with injuries, and defenses were picking on OBJ to take him out of his game. And I think Eli felt he had nobody to rely on b/c Cruz was useless, and he started looking at the rush coming more and more.
Then it really became hit or miss, as McAdoo got conservative to stay in games as he knew the defense started peaking. The O-line was madly inconsistent but simply never developed individually or as a unit.
He isn't in the running for anything other than a practice arm My God how many years has this guy been in the NFL and
come out and play that poorly it's not like anyone is chomping at the bit to pick this guy up .
It's a total waste to even put him in the game IMO .
This 1st half should show a great deal in terms of if this
O-line has improved . Browns got some guys that should test
them . I wish Danny Shelton was playing and it will be interesting to see Myles Garrett play and how Flowers does
against him even though he is just a rookie .
anything either way, but after 3 years I'd like to see ANY f#cking sign (sorry for the language) that this offense is effective. Play well in a meaningless game. I don't care. I just want a sign we can be productive.
show some offense with the first team out there, see if folks are on the same page. Would be nice to run the ball a bit.
I would like this team to find a KR and punt returner,
don't want to see another year of the beat up Harris.
He is already it seems spending more time not practicing,
than practicing in training camp and preseason.
One can say, they are 'saving' him for the season...
I maintain, he is a guy who has a beat up body
from many years of playing special teams, even well before
he arrived here. You saw his lack of speed last season,
and quickness. Maybe he can prove me wrong.
RE: I just hope Webb gets more time than Josh Johnson Â
was about as bad a game a group of O-lineman and Tight Ends could have in recent memory.
The Offense though came out pretty strong for the first 3 regular season games in 2016. They didnt have the ball for that much time vs Dallas but moved it fine when they did. They also had the offense going vs New Orleans and Washington but just kept turning it over.
From there, things started to deteriorate. Both Jennings and Vereen were out with injuries, and defenses were picking on OBJ to take him out of his game. And I think Eli felt he had nobody to rely on b/c Cruz was useless, and he started looking at the rush coming more and more.
Then it really became hit or miss, as McAdoo got conservative to stay in games as he knew the defense started peaking. The O-line was madly inconsistent but simply never developed individually or as a unit.
My view at least...
Googs hits target - I would add that last year the problem on offense was turnovers. Bad play by OL contributed to turnovers. Turnovers cause defeat. Scaling back offense limits turnovers and limits offense.
RE: Blocking was atrocious last preseason. Recall that Buffalo game Â
was about as bad a game a group of O-lineman and Tight Ends could have in recent memory.
The Offense though came out pretty strong for the first 3 regular season games in 2016. They didnt have the ball for that much time vs Dallas but moved it fine when they did. They also had the offense going vs New Orleans and Washington but just kept turning it over.
From there, things started to deteriorate. Both Jennings and Vereen were out with injuries, and defenses were picking on OBJ to take him out of his game. And I think Eli felt he had nobody to rely on b/c Cruz was useless, and he started looking at the rush coming more and more.
Then it really became hit or miss, as McAdoo got conservative to stay in games as he knew the defense started peaking. The O-line was madly inconsistent but simply never developed individually or as a unit.
My view at least...
good take on last season
It really started from unable to consistantly/at all run the ball
test for OL, unfortunately, i think they will fail miserably. i would love to have a Stud LT like joe thomas....actually an average one would be nice! get it together flowers!!!
the game plan to be vanilla. That doesn't mean, though, that guys still can't make plays. I want to see the OL beat their man and play as a unit. Seeing runs get stuffed in the backfield or Eli getting swarmed is not excuseable because of a vanilla game plan.
Executing 1-on-1 matchups is a good indication of the individual readiness. Getting your ass kicked by the guy in front of you doesn't bode well for future success.
If the Giants come out vanilla and the Browns are throwing the whole playbook, I get that. I'm not worried about Spags and Mac's ability to gameplan.
But plenty of guys who have been individually in pre-season have brought the suck come September.
the game plan to be vanilla. That doesn't mean, though, that guys still can't make plays. I want to see the OL beat their man and play as a unit. Seeing runs get stuffed in the backfield or Eli getting swarmed is not excuseable because of a vanilla game plan.
I don't think the game plan will be completely vanilla -- it won't be very sophisticated, but the Giants will be experimenting with formations and situations where they are looking to make improvements -- they were doing it all camp and they did it in the first game too
-- we were told by our interviewee's (if you watched our interviews) that they were doing film study of the opposition and their tendencies
look for two TE formations, draw play formations, 11 personnel, and empty backfield
look for timing plays, running plays to all sides (straight and pulling) and the center with the FB, screens, seam passes, short yardage plays and green zone strategy -- 2 minute and 4 minute drives, long FG opps
On offense we all know it starts with the OL so this will be a good stepping stone if they play well. If not then the questions will hold more weight.
Most throws?
I'm curious how much we see of Lacosse too
I don't believe you will get this answer until the real bullets fly.
And a bunch of defensive ends. Should be interesting to see how it plays out.
To call both teams vanilla in their approach to offense would actually be less boring than it really is.
On offense we all know it starts with the OL so this will be a good stepping stone if they play well. If not then the questions will hold more weight.
I believe 2 to 3 starters on this rebuilt line are injured and will not play tonight.
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So this will be a good test for our front seven. I don't think we will have issues but it will be good to see how Goodson does and it would be nice if we can generate a pass rush with just our front 4. Also, it would be nice to see Bromley build on his success.
On offense we all know it starts with the OL so this will be a good stepping stone if they play well. If not then the questions will hold more weight.
I believe 2 to 3 starters on this rebuilt line are injured and will not play tonight.
Really? That stinks.
Reverse psychology..I like it.
To call both teams vanilla in their approach to offense would actually be less boring than it really is.
Okay, but even a vanilla offense should be able to generate an adequate running game if the blocking is there and the backs are able to capitalize on it. That's really the only thing I'll be looking for...any kind of a push by the O-Line to get the run game going. I'm more worried about that than I am about their pass-blocking (but not by much).
chris r, is that you??
It's a joke he's still on the roster ... give Eli a quarter - geno a quarter , Webb the 2nd half
Definitely. As well as the head coach and head coordinators.
NO INJURIES....
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RT @art_stapleton: @Giants announce Josh Johnson is starting at QB. No Eli Manning, DRC or JPP. Waiting on full list.
I'd to see him look sharp in limited time. I don't want to see 3rd and longs or three and outs against the Browns. I want to see him on the same page with his WRs.
Yes its probably too early to expect all that, but its either this game or the next. Game 4 doesn't count. I dont want to go into opening night with questions about the improvements on offense.
On defense it's mostly about depth players.
Always want to see something out of the bubble players.
RT @art_stapleton: @Giants announce Josh Johnson is starting at QB. No Eli Manning, DRC or JPP. Waiting on full list.
That was last weeks tweet before the game against the steelers
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11:42 am : link : reply
Are we going to be one dimensional again this year or not? That's what I'm looking out for.
I hope they keep the FB I have very little confidence in our run game . Without it the points per game will not
improve and with this schedule it will be a tall order to
even win the division .
I'd to see him look sharp in limited time. I don't want to see 3rd and longs or three and outs against the Browns. I want to see him on the same page with his WRs.
Yes its probably too early to expect all that, but its either this game or the next. Game 4 doesn't count. I dont want to go into opening night with questions about the improvements on offense.
If they rang up 40 points a game for the next three games, it would still just be preseason. Not many questions get answered right now.
I would like to see the offense move this year and get some swag even if it is pre-season.
With Collins playing, he could only pick up 3 since you can only get one tackle per play.
The Offense though came out pretty strong for the first 3 regular season games in 2016. They didnt have the ball for that much time vs Dallas but moved it fine when they did. They also had the offense going vs New Orleans and Washington but just kept turning it over.
From there, things started to deteriorate. Both Jennings and Vereen were out with injuries, and defenses were picking on OBJ to take him out of his game. And I think Eli felt he had nobody to rely on b/c Cruz was useless, and he started looking at the rush coming more and more.
Then it really became hit or miss, as McAdoo got conservative to stay in games as he knew the defense started peaking. The O-line was madly inconsistent but simply never developed individually or as a unit.
My view at least...
come out and play that poorly it's not like anyone is chomping at the bit to pick this guy up .
It's a total waste to even put him in the game IMO .
This 1st half should show a great deal in terms of if this
O-line has improved . Browns got some guys that should test
them . I wish Danny Shelton was playing and it will be interesting to see Myles Garrett play and how Flowers does
against him even though he is just a rookie .
I would like this team to find a KR and punt returner,
don't want to see another year of the beat up Harris.
He is already it seems spending more time not practicing,
than practicing in training camp and preseason.
One can say, they are 'saving' him for the season...
I maintain, he is a guy who has a beat up body
from many years of playing special teams, even well before
he arrived here. You saw his lack of speed last season,
and quickness. Maybe he can prove me wrong.
Or at least some plays from under center ...
all types of runs, outside zones, traps, what have you.
run, run, run, run, run
let the OL boys start to feel it
The Offense though came out pretty strong for the first 3 regular season games in 2016. They didnt have the ball for that much time vs Dallas but moved it fine when they did. They also had the offense going vs New Orleans and Washington but just kept turning it over.
From there, things started to deteriorate. Both Jennings and Vereen were out with injuries, and defenses were picking on OBJ to take him out of his game. And I think Eli felt he had nobody to rely on b/c Cruz was useless, and he started looking at the rush coming more and more.
Then it really became hit or miss, as McAdoo got conservative to stay in games as he knew the defense started peaking. The O-line was madly inconsistent but simply never developed individually or as a unit.
My view at least...
Googs hits target - I would add that last year the problem on offense was turnovers. Bad play by OL contributed to turnovers. Turnovers cause defeat. Scaling back offense limits turnovers and limits offense.
The Offense though came out pretty strong for the first 3 regular season games in 2016. They didnt have the ball for that much time vs Dallas but moved it fine when they did. They also had the offense going vs New Orleans and Washington but just kept turning it over.
From there, things started to deteriorate. Both Jennings and Vereen were out with injuries, and defenses were picking on OBJ to take him out of his game. And I think Eli felt he had nobody to rely on b/c Cruz was useless, and he started looking at the rush coming more and more.
Then it really became hit or miss, as McAdoo got conservative to stay in games as he knew the defense started peaking. The O-line was madly inconsistent but simply never developed individually or as a unit.
My view at least...
good take on last season
It really started from unable to consistantly/at all run the ball
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Do you think they will show their hand during week 2 of preseason?
If the Giants come out vanilla and the Browns are throwing the whole playbook, I get that. I'm not worried about Spags and Mac's ability to gameplan.
But plenty of guys who have been individually in pre-season have brought the suck come September.
I don't think the game plan will be completely vanilla -- it won't be very sophisticated, but the Giants will be experimenting with formations and situations where they are looking to make improvements -- they were doing it all camp and they did it in the first game too
-- we were told by our interviewee's (if you watched our interviews) that they were doing film study of the opposition and their tendencies
look for two TE formations, draw play formations, 11 personnel, and empty backfield
look for timing plays, running plays to all sides (straight and pulling) and the center with the FB, screens, seam passes, short yardage plays and green zone strategy -- 2 minute and 4 minute drives, long FG opps
I would think so. But I assume that means that they want a long look at both, so Webb might not play much.
I say Eli fumbles the handoff and pitchforks and touches come out....MOB RULES on BBI