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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/10/2017 9:59 am
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LETS GO GIANTS  
GiantsFanPatsLand : 9/10/2017 10:02 am : link
Start the season 1-0 and get an early lead on our main rival for the division
So happy Giants football is back  
pganut : 9/10/2017 10:02 am : link
I don't need style points. Just win. Go Big Blue.
let's go defense! it's up to you tonight  
micky : 9/10/2017 10:04 am : link
hopefully can get out of the with a w..going to be tough w/o obj
If ODB is at risk of exacerbating his injury, ...  
Boy Cord : 9/10/2017 10:14 am : link
... hope he stays on the sideline. It's a long season with what
looks like a brutal schedule. ODB can't miss an extended period of time.
I did read this week that 70%....  
UticaMike : 9/10/2017 10:14 am : link
.....of Giants players last year who were listed as "questionable" during the week ended up playing that Sunday.
It's football season!!!!!!!  
HBart : 9/10/2017 10:17 am : link
Go Giants!!!!!!
I think tonight we're going to get a proper introduction to  
jcn56 : 9/10/2017 10:19 am : link
Mr. Engram and his high speed football show.
Yeah Baby!  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/10/2017 10:19 am : link
Go Giants!!!!
Let's go Big Blue!  
trueblueinpw : 9/10/2017 10:31 am : link
Looking forward to the game, but I wish Florida wasn't getting destroyed while I'm watching football. Doesn't seem right to get too excited about any of the games. Hoping for the best for everyone down in Florida.

Doubt OBJ plays. Wouldn't it be great to see Perk rush for 200 yards on this soft Dallas D? I know Engram is a rook in his first game, but it would great to see him with a big game too. I hope the defense plays with heavy hands and a nasty attitude!

Dallas sucks!
Steve Smith Sr. Was on NFL Network comparing Janoris Jenkins  
adamg : 9/10/2017 10:32 am : link
And Jason Sehorn. Said Jackrabbit will shutdown Dez like Sehorn did Irvin.

Pretty hilarious exchange between him and Irvin.
Just win, baby.  
Klaatu : 9/10/2017 10:36 am : link
With or without OBJ.
prescott helps jackrabbit cover dez also  
nygiants16 : 9/10/2017 10:38 am : link
jackrabbit is very good and a shut down corner but dak allows jenkins to under cut routes because there is no threat of a deep ball...

giants have 3 good corners and that helps in stopping the run game because they stack the box and dare dak to beat you...
season is a marathon not a sprint, I wouldn't risk Beckham aggravating  
Eric on Li : 9/10/2017 10:38 am : link
anything since high ankle sprains linger. This year they (may) have the personnel to establish a and running game and an overall offense that's not so dependent on one player, may as well start figuring out to what extent that can be a reality. Still have weapons all over the field with Marshall, Shepard, and Engram.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/10/2017 10:42 am : link
Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet 7h7 hours ago

High-ankle sprains like Odell Beckham suffered can take 4 weeks to heal. Today marks fewer than 3. But there's more optimism today than Fri.

Kimberly Jones‏Verified account @KimJonesSports 2h2 hours ago

Odell Beckham Jr's ankle was sore yesterday after considerable amount of treatment he's getting. A game-time decision? "For sure," I'm told.
RE: ...  
nygiants16 : 9/10/2017 10:45 am : link
In comment 13589984 Eric from BBI said:
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Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet 7h7 hours ago

High-ankle sprains like Odell Beckham suffered can take 4 weeks to heal. Today marks fewer than 3. But there's more optimism today than Fri.

Kimberly Jones‏Verified account @KimJonesSports 2h2 hours ago

Odell Beckham Jr's ankle was sore yesterday after considerable amount of treatment he's getting. A game-time decision? "For sure," I'm told.


i still dont believe it is high ankle...

but if he is still that sore if he can do more damage if he plays just sit him...

if it is just pain tolerance and he cant do more damage i think he plays...
Tonight finally answers a few questions....  
Doomster : 9/10/2017 10:47 am : link
How much does Marshall have left?

Will Double E be a player to reckoned with right out of the blocks?

Will Perkins be the man in the backfield?

Will TE's help this OL with blocking?

Can the Giants run the ball with the new players?

Which Eli shows up this season?

Can Rosas kick a last second pressure fg?

Will the defense be as strong, stronger, or will there be a slight drop off?

And of course, will this OL show improvement over last season?

Naturally, if OBj can't play or is limited, everyone else has to up their game.....

Dallas is at full strength on offense and Dak has a year under his belt.....he has a full playbook.....the Dallas offense will be better....

Their defense is suspect and has a lot of new parts.....Eli and the offense has to score points and take some of the pressure off the defense....

Nothing better than going into Dallas and winning one on the road, outside of the playoffs...
RE: season is a marathon not a sprint, I wouldn't risk Beckham aggravating  
Jersey55 : 9/10/2017 10:50 am : link
In comment 13589973 Eric on Li said:
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anything since high ankle sprains linger. This year they (may) have the personnel to establish a and running game and an overall offense that's not so dependent on one player, may as well start figuring out to what extent that can be a reality. Still have weapons all over the field with Marshall, Shepard, and Engram.

the addition of Marshall and Engram should be enough to let OBJ sit this game out.
Let's go!!  
nybeast : 9/10/2017 10:55 am : link
Just. One out of this games healthy! Long season that should be great if the pieces fall in place. I want to see how Goodson, Thompson, Apple, Hart, Flowers, Bromley, Tomlinson, and Perkins do tonight. These are the key players this season. Who among these will emerge as a breakout player this season? I will watching this group all year.
King  
Hilary : 9/10/2017 10:57 am : link
If the blocking holds up I look for Tavares King to have a big game. He has shown that he can get open for deep throws or out run the defense to the end zone after an intermediate route. Like him much more than Lewis
Let's go!!  
nybeast : 9/10/2017 10:58 am : link
Just come out of this game healthy! Long season that should be great if the pieces fall in place. I want to see how Goodson, Thompson, Apple, Hart, Flowers, Bromley, Tomlinson, and Perkins do tonight. These are the key players this season. Who among these will emerge as a breakout player this season? I will be watching this group all year.
Engram  
annexOPR : 9/10/2017 10:59 am : link
has an Odell like rookie impact and becomes a star Monday morning

(Please suit up Odell)
This certainly gives a new meaning to  
Rflairr : 9/10/2017 11:00 am : link
Minor ankle injury. Jeesh. It's been like 4 weeks
They need him out there  
Rflairr : 9/10/2017 11:01 am : link
Even if it's just as a decoy
Just a guess...  
M.S. : 9/10/2017 11:04 am : link

...(and assuming OBJ does NOT play), gotta feeling that the pass-oriented Giants will pass even more than usual.

And that has nothing to do with the effectiveness (or inadequacies) of the run game.

Giants will open it up from the get-go and they will live or die on how well their passing game clicks.

But one difference. It won't necessarily be a downfield passing attack, but numerous underneath passes with several throws to RBs.

Release  
area junc : 9/10/2017 11:06 am : link
the Kracken
OLine  
Mdgiantsfan : 9/10/2017 11:14 am : link
Whether Odell plays or not, it still boils down to the guys up front. We need a good effort from the OL. If we get that, then I think we have enough on offense to get it done.

Go Big Blue!!!
What we need is a Eli to play like a superstar  
UberAlias : 9/10/2017 11:19 am : link
Pocket presence don't get rattled, shift and slide, accurate throws and no bonehead mistakes.
This game is on the Offensive Line  
PatersonPlank : 9/10/2017 11:31 am : link
We know the D will play well
We know Eli, if given time by the OL, will play well
We know the WR's, if the OL gives them time, will get open
We know that Perkins will run, if the OL creates holes

Cut the crap OL. Its not about individual talent, which supposedly we have a lot of, its about functioning as a unit. No more missed assignments.
Honestly  
bigblue1124 : 9/10/2017 11:36 am : link
I am looking more forward to see this defense play a full game together rather than the O.

It goes without saying I hope the offense blows the doors off with or without OBJ but I still think this team goes as far as our D takes us.

This D can be real special this year providing the few new spot's can prove their worth? The MLB & DT position are still a question, as much as I like the players currently it's still a question mark. I am not as concerned with the back-end as many are and think we are solid more depth sure but every team wishes that.

Tonight I think Snacks is the key not with stopping the run but disrupting the pocket. I think Dak will be scrabbling left and right straight into JPP & OV's hands. The running game will be a non factor for them in this game IMO they will be forced to be one dimensional.


OBJ may be a Willis Reed situation. TD pass on the second play of the  
Ivan15 : 9/10/2017 12:06 pm : link
game and a decoy for the rest of the game.
Eli has some weapons and a great defense  
UberAlias : 9/10/2017 12:18 pm : link
Now go out and get a division win.
also remember  
nygiants16 : 9/10/2017 12:29 pm : link
cowboys are starting a new roght guard and new right tackle, i expect snacks and jpp to have big games
The only thing that will suck more than this being...  
M.S. : 9/10/2017 12:35 pm : link

...a night game, is all the f-ing bullshit we're gonna be subjected to regarding Zeke's non-suspension and OBJ's ankle.

Gonna suck.

But a Giants win would make it allllllll worthwhile!!!

I kinda feel the same way about King  
Bluesbreaker : 9/10/2017 12:39 pm : link
If he is healthy and in shape I think he can do enough to offset what we lose with OBJ . He is capable of getting
deep . Much will depend on the run game if we run the ball
effectively and can sustain some long drives convert some
early TD's our defense will give us the edge .
I'm watching our DTs  
George : 9/10/2017 12:40 pm : link
Against the left side of the Dallas line. They don't have a guard to put between Frederick and Smith, and Snacks/Bromley might have a big game tonight.
I really think  
Gregorio : 9/10/2017 12:41 pm : link
the key to this game will be long, sustained, clock eating drives on offense that keep the ball away from Dak and the Dallas O. Go dominate the time of possession.

Go Giants!
Marshall Faulk just now on the NFL Network:  
Mr. Bungle : 9/10/2017 12:43 pm : link
"The Cowboys' offensive line will dominate this game. I'm taking the Cowboys."

Hahahaha.
jay glazer seems to think  
nygiants16 : 9/10/2017 12:53 pm : link
beckham will try and play through it
I  
AcidTest : 9/10/2017 12:59 pm : link
expect the Cowboys to blitz Eli a lot if Beckham doesn't play. He's immobile, and they need to protect their secondary. I think Engram is the key. He immediately shows why the Giants picked him as he opens up the Cowboys defense down the middle of the field. The OL should be able to fend of a depleted Dallas front four.

Our defense should be able to control the Dallas O. We can pressure Prescott, and cover their WRs well enough. We do need to be careful about not over pursuing when Dak bootlegs, and on misdirection and screen plays.

Giants 30-16.
Up since 2:30 AM  
Sec 103 : 9/10/2017 1:03 pm : link
and hope I get a couple hour nap before this thing goes off tonite.
GO GIANTS !!!!!!!
Chris Carter spoke with Odell  
UberAlias : 9/10/2017 1:20 pm : link
Should have update shortly
I have a work meeting tonight  
Jay in Toronto : 9/10/2017 2:04 pm : link
:( :(
OBJ as Willis Reed!  
CT Charlie : 9/10/2017 2:26 pm : link
Sweet image. Play him in the green zone, and then throw to... Rhett Ellison.
This game is going to be an old fashioned NFC East fist fight  
GiantJake : 9/10/2017 2:36 pm : link
The Giants can expect the referees to provide the Cowboys with a hometown call or two. It will come down to the 4th quarter and probably be decided by a FG. Most would say that favors the Cowboys and Dan Bailey, but I'll say Giants rookie Aldrick Rosas is the hero and kicks the game winner late.
Chris Carter spoke w OBJ  
UberAlias : 9/10/2017 3:19 pm : link
Calling it 60/40
Apple needs to stay away  
Simms11 : 9/10/2017 3:35 pm : link
from blatant holds, Oline needs to stay poised, O needs to protect the Duke and whole team needs to be physical/heavy-handed, especially with Zeke.

Expect early jitters on both sides until teams get settled. Giants need to withstand early punch but Dallas with home fans getting loud on Sunday night national TV, as well.

Lastly, I want to see Engram become that TE that haunts Dallas for years to come, much like Witten has done to us!
Hopefully he sees the game Antonio Brown  
Rflairr : 9/10/2017 3:45 pm : link
Is having and it will inspire him to play :)
Theres an electricity in the air, folks.  
I'mRonBurgandy? : 9/10/2017 4:13 pm : link
A palpable hue of anticipation.

RE: Chris Carter spoke w OBJ  
dpinzow : 9/10/2017 4:17 pm : link
In comment 13590399 UberAlias said:
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Calling it 60/40


60/40 that Odell plays
damn if you do a good tape job on a sprained ankle you can hardly  
gtt350 : 9/10/2017 4:19 pm : link
feel it, at least that's how i remember it
Listen I want to see good defense from us  
Giants86 : 9/10/2017 4:29 pm : link
I expect the offense to struggle. After watching many of these games today, no reason to think we can't be very good this year.
I don't risk it. It's a long season  
bigbluescot : 9/10/2017 4:51 pm : link
and I actually think we move the ball well tonight.
Sit OBJ  
Jeffrey : 9/10/2017 4:54 pm : link
The key is not which receivers play tonight but rather which Eli plays. Of course that in part depends on time and protection.
If it's this "iffy"  
annexOPR : 9/10/2017 5:12 pm : link
He needs to sit and get close to 100%

Unleash the Engram
IMO Dress him, put him out there the first series as a decoy  
GiantsUA : 9/10/2017 5:20 pm : link
. Then limit him big time.

Go Giants!  
nicky43 : 9/10/2017 5:32 pm : link
I'd bet the house OBJ plays tonight and has a great game!
OBJ will really help stress the Cowboys defense  
blueblood : 9/10/2017 6:04 pm : link
which is definitely suspect. We have to remember this is Marshall and Engram first game with Eli on a primetime stage. Live Bullets firing..

Its going to take some time for this offense to click and if OBJ can play it will make a huge difference
Twice a year an acidic, corrosive hate fills my heart.  
j_rud : 9/10/2017 6:21 pm : link
Two days in the calendar year I long to see grown mens spirits broken, their shoulders slumped in abject humiliation. On those days my prevailing hope is to see a smug old mans face filled with hatred, anger, and embarrassment, to see 80 thousand fans with stunned looks like every one of their mothers just died in a tragic but *also* slightly humorous mass suicide.

There is not a word in the English language to describe my unequivocal, indisputable, irrefutable hatred of the Dallas Cowboys. Fuck the Star, fuck the players, fuck the fans, and fuck Jerry Jones. Fuck them all in their stupid asses.
I wouldn't play Odell.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/10/2017 6:26 pm : link
If this defense is as good as we think, we should have enough to beat them anyway (in a close relatively low-scoring game).

Really excited to see Engram and BJ Goodson.
LETS GO BIG BLUE  
montanagiant : 9/10/2017 6:37 pm : link
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On the pregame just now  
The_Boss : 9/10/2017 6:40 pm : link
Dottino:
13 running route tree for 20 min. Doesn't look like himself.
Beat writers negative on OBJ playing  
AnnapolisMike : 9/10/2017 6:43 pm : link
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j rud  
Samiam : 9/10/2017 6:47 pm : link
Agree 100%.
RE: On the pregame just now  
bigbluescot : 9/10/2017 6:47 pm : link
In comment 13590670 The_Boss said:
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Dottino:
13 running route tree for 20 min. Doesn't look like himself.


Just showed him in the UK feed. If he plays he's not going to be a factor. He's visibly grimacing after every cut. Just sit him, have him go next week.
Why is this magically going to get better next week  
Essex : 9/10/2017 6:56 pm : link
We know nothing about the injury. If he is grimacing this week and can't cut, why will he be ready next week? No clue what's going on and the Giants have not really been forthcoming about it. I know this is a message board and speculation is what it is all about, but we really have no clue what's going on.
RE: Beckham  
j_rud : 9/10/2017 6:58 pm : link
In a move culled from the pages of the playbook of the legendary Hayden Fox and the Minnesota State Screaming Eagles, Beckham will rise from a wheelchair in the second half to shred the Dallas D and bring home the most improbable victory since ABCs Tuesday a night lineup, circa 1996.
On a serious note  
j_rud : 9/10/2017 7:00 pm : link
I'm in the "don't risk him if he's not 100%" camp. As much as it sucks it's a marathon, not a sprint, and no one is running away with this division. They're going to need him late. Until he's ready to go full bore, just find a way and hope Snacks and Co are every bit as good as they were last season.
I am predicting a breakout game for Engram  
Jay on the Island : 9/10/2017 7:07 pm : link
Shades of Shockey as he makes his mark early and finishes with 80+ yards with 1 td.
Mild high ankle injury........  
Simms11 : 9/10/2017 7:10 pm : link
He may not be ready for next week either?! F the Browns and that low unnecessary hit!
King also inactive!  
Simms11 : 9/10/2017 7:16 pm : link
Wtf! I guess they're only dressing 4 WRs! And Lewis will get OBJs reps, I suppose. Looking like more TEs this week.

Also Fluker inactive, which would mean Jones being the first back up in to RG.
Quite remarkable how many BBIers...  
M.S. : 9/10/2017 7:22 pm : link

...fell for the bullshit streaming out of the coach's mouth this week about OBJ.
This won't be easy without him  
Giants86 : 9/10/2017 7:23 pm : link
We need the rest of these offensive guys to step up
Well lets see if the Offense has progressed .  
Bluesbreaker : 9/10/2017 7:23 pm : link
Have to be able to score without your best WR it seemed like
last year we couldn't we have 3 new pass catchers it's on
the O-line if we can run consistently .
Play by Play  
The Natural : 9/10/2017 7:29 pm : link
Irma is paying us a visit and I have no way of watching my beloved Giants.

I am counting on you guys to post highlights and info on the game. I sure
Would appreciate it!!

Go Giants!!!!
i doubt brandon Marshall is an every down player now  
32_Razor : 9/10/2017 7:38 pm : link
which really makes Odell not being there hurt.
Obj  
markky : 9/10/2017 7:42 pm : link
Just came out in a hoodie and shorts. Disappointed
RE: Obj  
Canton : 9/10/2017 7:48 pm : link
In comment 13590797 markky said:
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Just came out in a hoodie and shorts. Disappointed


Better than coming out in your Calvin Klein's.......Markky Mark.
The Cowboys'...  
Vinny from Danbury : 9/10/2017 7:52 pm : link
confidence level must have increased quite a bit when they heard for sure OBj wasn't playing. Definitely simplifies the game for them considerably.
For Florida TV  
OldPolack : 9/10/2017 7:53 pm : link
try station 216 for the Giant game.
no OBJ  
BleedBlue : 9/10/2017 8:01 pm : link
sucks....def makes the win more attainable for dallas....they are prob hyped in lockerroom their jackass group of DBs dont have to try and cover him lmao. they will play a Two high all night until we can run out of it or engram can stetch the seam
Need a BIG game from our OL tonight  
nyjuggernaut2 : 9/10/2017 8:07 pm : link
With OBJ out it would be nice to get a run game going.
Odds McAdoo unveils a new wrinkle on offense tonight?  
rmkabadi : 9/10/2017 8:08 pm : link
Maybe dump and/or minimize the 3 WR sets and do something with the TEs? Catch Dallas off guard?
RE: Odds McAdoo unveils a new wrinkle on offense tonight?  
montanagiant : 9/10/2017 8:10 pm : link
In comment 13590837 rmkabadi said:
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Maybe dump and/or minimize the 3 WR sets and do something with the TEs? Catch Dallas off guard?

I think we will see a bunch of Two TE sets
RE: Why is this magically going to get better next week  
rmkabadi : 9/10/2017 8:10 pm : link
In comment 13590696 Essex said:
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We know nothing about the injury. If he is grimacing this week and can't cut, why will he be ready next week? No clue what's going on and the Giants have not really been forthcoming about it. I know this is a message board and speculation is what it is all about, but we really have no clue what's going on.


He gave it a decent go in practice based on the tweets and next week they have an extra day given that it's an MNF game. There's hope that another week can help
RE: RE: Odds McAdoo unveils a new wrinkle on offense tonight?  
rmkabadi : 9/10/2017 8:12 pm : link
In comment 13590839 montanagiant said:
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In comment 13590837 rmkabadi said:


Quote:


Maybe dump and/or minimize the 3 WR sets and do something with the TEs? Catch Dallas off guard?


I think we will see a bunch of Two TE sets


I hope so! This is the kind of spot where I fear that Lewis getting a bigger chance means Eli is going to keep trying to go to him (ala Preston Parker and others in the past in such spots) and it's going to lead to turnovers
I  
AcidTest : 9/10/2017 8:12 pm : link
think Lewis may play an important role. Without OBJ, he's our only deep threat. If Engram and Marshall can occupy most of the Dallas secondary, Lewis could get some one on one match ups.
What is with the delayed start?  
nicky43 : 9/10/2017 8:12 pm : link
Did they say the reason for such a long delay to start the game?
Boys + Zeke  
well...bye TC : 9/10/2017 8:13 pm : link
Us - OBJ = a rough night...
RE: What is with the delayed start?  
rmkabadi : 9/10/2017 8:15 pm : link
In comment 13590845 nicky43 said:
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Did they say the reason for such a long delay to start the game?


The game is gonna start at 8:30.
RE: Boys + Zeke  
Sean : 9/10/2017 8:15 pm : link
In comment 13590848 well...bye TC said:
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Us - OBJ = a rough night...


Great insight! Real nice handle too.
RE: Need a BIG game from our OL tonight  
family progtitioner : 9/10/2017 8:16 pm : link
In comment 13590834 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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With OBJ out it would be nice to get a run game going.


Yeah, good luck with that. Until they prove it, they couldn't run on Oklahoma
RE: I  
The_Boss : 9/10/2017 8:16 pm : link
In comment 13590844 AcidTest said:
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think Lewis may play an important role. Without OBJ, he's our only deep threat. If Engram and Marshall can occupy most of the Dallas secondary, Lewis could get some one on one match ups.


Hopefully he doesn't drop the ball
they just said Ezekiel is playing with a chip on his shoulder  
micky : 9/10/2017 8:16 pm : link
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RE: RE: Boys + Zeke  
well...bye TC : 9/10/2017 8:18 pm : link
In comment 13590851 Sean said:
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In comment 13590848 well...bye TC said:


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Us - OBJ = a rough night...



Great insight! Real nice handle too.

Thanks bruh!
Pitiful  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 9/10/2017 9:02 pm : link
All these years that tackle has been the big off season priority, and the starting right tackle is just a turnstile.

Let's them go by without an ounce of resistance.
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