was hire Mcadoo as the Giants HC. I've never been a fan of him since the Giants hired him as OC, and this performance tonight shows the reason why.. So many got on Britt in VA case and what do those think now?
This Offense was a shit show tonight, period. It has not improved since he got hired and it looks like its getting worse. The Giants offensive coaching staff is a complete joke and it showed. This offense is just so predictable year after year? Mcadoo is over-matched and completely lost, just flat out embarrassing. Against a Dallas defense that is weak too?! I will give some credit to the Cowboys DC, with pretty much a whole new defense he made it happen! See what people are not realizing is how does Rod Marinelli make this defense play so well with a bunch of new players in only 1 offseason????! But Mcadoo has been with the Giants for years and the offense still hasn't improved??? WHy? It's called having real coaches that know what they are doing, there are bad coaches and good coaches that make the difference. This is a good example of that. It's just sad.. smh. The only positive thing is the defense and it's to be expected considering how much Reese spent on them. Reese is to blame as well, he's a big part of this mess. smh..
Hope he proves me wrong.
Where he's been disappointing is on offense - where he's wearing two hats and should certainly give up one. He shouldn't be responsible for offensive playcalling any more.
And yet you'd likely be the first one to agree with Britt that TC should have stayed and McAdoo was a mistake. So which is it, too soon or not?
That is all we ran all game. Eli was 8/12 for 33 yards at half. That is less than 3 yards per attempt. That is horrendous with a 67% completions.
Very good post.
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Last year the team goes 11-5 and everybody thinks McAdoo is the second coming. Parcels goes 3-12-1 in his first year. My point is judging a coach based on one year is deceiving. I think McAdoo still has much to prove.
And yet you'd likely be the first one to agree with Britt that TC should have stayed and McAdoo was a mistake. So which is it, too soon or not?
JCN, no I don't believe Coughlin should have been let go but if you were going to fire him I would have fired Reese as well. Personally I don't enjoy McAdoo's offense. I don't find it enjoyable to watch, but to answer your question yes it is too early to make a definitive assessment of whether he has the goods or not to be head coach
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under him. But as it relates to his continued involvement in the offense, hes fucking failing miserably. The offense has taken a huge step back since he moved to head coach. What gets me is better offensive minds them him have had play calling duties ripped because of not being able to handle both, and it is clear he can't. I think we need a real play caller on the sideline before this team moves forward its next step and I am not sure there is one available at the moment.
Very good post.
Agree with GW as well. What I can't figure out is why McAdoo insists on holding both posts. The results have been poor - why not give it up to see if things improve?
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Last year the team goes 11-5 and everybody thinks McAdoo is the second coming. Parcels goes 3-12-1 in his first year. My point is judging a coach based on one year is deceiving. I think McAdoo still has much to prove.
And yet you'd likely be the first one to agree with Britt that TC should have stayed and McAdoo was a mistake. So which is it, too soon or not?
JCN, no I don't believe Coughlin should have been let go but if you were going to fire him I would have fired Reese as well. Personally I don't enjoy McAdoo's offense. I don't find it enjoyable to watch, but to answer your question yes it is too early to make a definitive assessment of whether he has the goods or not to be head coach
Which in and of itself is a bizarre position considering the past couple of draft and FA cycles. Knowing what we know now about '16 and '17's draft, you'd still fire Reese?
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Last year the team goes 11-5 and everybody thinks McAdoo is the second coming. Parcels goes 3-12-1 in his first year. My point is judging a coach based on one year is deceiving. I think McAdoo still has much to prove.
And yet you'd likely be the first one to agree with Britt that TC should have stayed and McAdoo was a mistake. So which is it, too soon or not?
I thought TC needed to go a few years ago and was a big Mike Zimmerman fan. Wish that had materialized. TC may or May not have needed to go. But the Giants brass fell in love w this guy whose resume for HC was paper thin. Then they win w him by loading up the D. And since he literally does nothing w that side of the ball we are supposed to assume it's his HC demeanor and not the better players or Spags and the players that get the credit.
I'm w PrDave. The guy is not impressive in an X and O way. In fact his offense and play calling are nothing like what they ran in GB. Never was impressed. And I'm pretty sure this D will get this team to 9-10 wins. Dragging this shitty offense and shorty offense scheme w it again.
They ran 90% of the plays last year with the same damn vanilla personnel grouping. It was widely known that's what he was doing and was even pointed out how easy it made the team easy to prepare for. Still no adjustment.
1 WR does not a team make. I don't care if it's Jerry Rice, your offense should not be that incompetent without him. Yes, the offensive line is terrible, but something tells me a good HC would get something out of this team offensively. McAdoo is either not HC material, or he's not ready. He's a terrible choice as Coughlin's successor.
We have to remember he was not GB's OC, he was their TE & QB coach which is a huge red flag on why I didn't like this when the Giants hired him for the OC position.
That's possible - if that's the case, then put Sullivan in charge of the O, make him call the plays, and if we don't get any better, let them can him. What good is it hiding him if that's the case?
the poor attempt to rebuild it during Eli's prime .
The Philosophy does not fit Eli I am not sure if the play calling will help if its the same plays in the playbook .
While Mac is starring at his Perkins Menu Garrett is stuffing C-notes into the reffs pocket Garret was loose and laughing before the game they saw what we did in pre-season
this offense is a train wreck .
Might be the case. Sullivan was in TB while Mac was the OC under Coughlin. So how would they have even known each other? Plus, Sullivan ran a ball control offense based on running the ball in Tampa. Does not seem like a fit with Macadoo
11-5 and making the playoffs was a breath of fresh air, but few thought Mac walked on water.
It's too soon to write him off, but he has to show that he can get some milk out of the offensive cow.
Where I think Reese should get some blame is that I think the Giants went with a non hot HC prospect so that they could insist on more say with assistant coaching assembly, and I don't think the coaching staff has shown much to write home about, especially on the offensive side of the ball.
Everybody was sugar coating the offensive ineptitude last year by saying "McAdoo is just coaching to the team's strength, the offense doesn't need to score they just need to stay out of the way...." That's not a sustainable model for success in this league and it showed last night.
The Giants offense was better in 2015 with the same group on the O-line. They scored a lot of points all the time. Why McAdoo threw all that out is completely baffling. Tom Coughlin clearly still had a hand in the offense in 2014-2015 even though McAdoo was calling the plays. We never throw the ball downfield anymore.
Our whole offense is predicated on getting the ball to Beckham Jr. on short slants and bubble screens and hope that he breaks one. That's it.
Where he's been disappointing is on offense - where he's wearing two hats and should certainly give up one. He shouldn't be responsible for offensive playcalling any more.
Lets be real here. If TC had been given Snacks,OV & Jenkins,he could have turned the team around too. I agree that I like his demeanor as HC but this dual job of HC/OC isn't working. Last night's performance is not causing an over reaction as the O hasn't played well since he took on the dual roles. Strangely, the O was much better when he was only OC (maybe because they were constantly playing catch up because the D sucked & TC had input). Yes, the OLine is not good but a good OC comes up w/schemes to counteract that. (Brady played many years w/a terrible OLine, yet their Offense never suffered).I don't think he turns the reins over to Sullivan because he still thinks he's the best solution for the O.As he calls out the O for their poor play,I hope he looks at the man in the mirror!
The 2015 Offense was sixth in the league in scoring. Nothing should have changed there.
The 2015 Offense with the 2016 Defense would have been a Superbowl contender.
It's looking historically bad.
The 2015 Offense was sixth in the league in scoring. Nothing should have changed there.
The 2015 Offense with the 2016 Defense would have been a Superbowl contender.
Tom Coughlin could have won those games in 2016 - but for silly mistakes with clock management and late game playcalling. He stubbornly refused to play to the team's strength - which was it's offense, routinely hanging the defense out there to dry.
I liked TC a lot - but his time had come. He was here for 13 seasons, that's a good run for a coach, but ultimately it was time for change.
Do I think he'd be a SB contender with the '16 defense? Probably not, because half the team would be on IR.
Detroit scored 35 yesterday, and we get them next.
We are moving towards 8 games in a row going back to last season where we've failed to hit 20 points.
The NFL is a scoring league. This isn't the 80's anymore. This model is not sustainable.
Was it-
- Different personnel
- McAdoo having a different role in it's execution (HC vs. playcaller with Sullivan as OC)
- Coughlin had input/direction on the offense, and it performed better as a result
It's not the personnel, so that's out. That leaves the last two bullets. It could easily be either one, so you play process of elimination here. It could be that McAdoo is doing too much, and has to give up playcalling. Try changing things at playcaller/OC, and see what happens. If there's still no improvement, then it's possible McAdoo just isn't good enough on his own offensively, and it's time to bring someone in as OC.
I looked up an old thread I started towards the end of October last year with concern for this fact. This is a trend.
Britt in VA : 10/28/2016 10:18 am : link
26
20
32
24
30
7
27
166 Points for through 7 games.
Ended up the season with 420, good for 6th in the NFL. Defense was the problem last year.
Points for through 7 games this year:
20
16
27
10
16
27
17
133 Point for through 7 games
Good for 25th in the NFL currently.
Britt in VA : 10/28/2016 11:34 am : link
and the defense was either going to hold or lose it for us in the 4th.
This year's MO is that the defense will keep us in it, and we don't know what the offense will do, if anything.
Through seven games last year, the offense broke 20 points 6 times.
Through seven games this year, the offense broke 20 points only 3 times. That's not good enough, or a sustainable model, to win games in today's NFL.
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We have to remember he was not GB's OC, he was their TE & QB coach which is a huge red flag on why I didn't like this when the Giants hired him for the OC position.
Do you realize how ridiculous that is? Spagnuolo was Philly's LB coach when we first hired him as DC - was that a huge red flag for you too?