McAdoo implicates the defense

from my perspective. They gave up 1 TD that was the result of an absurd PI call against Jenkins.

this D bailed out the O all last year, if he doesn't see that, they are in trouble. How many games last year did the giants have a one score fourth qtr lead and the O would continually go 3 and out, putting tremendous pressure on the D and very few comfortable wins. It's time for this pathetic O to start pulling its weight if this team has any chance of improving on last year!

I understand what he is saying. Look, the defense allowed four scoring drives in six first-half Dallas possessions.

You want to be a "great" defense? Get the other team off of the field, even when your offense is doing nothing.

He has to be careful not to lose his defensive players when he should have been calling out his OL.

with no Zeke or Dez TDs was admirable. The D was solid and gassed for all the time they spent out there.

Not 37-3. Is getting your offense to produce a couple of TD's too much to ask these days?

fall down and hit his head after the game?

He said that it falls on all three phases: defense has to get off the field (this is absolutely true; there were a lot of extended drives by Dallas), special teams has to help with field position, offense has to improve in all areas (and he specifically noted doing a better job of possessing the ball).

None of that is inaccurate.

then rush 4 on 3rd down... let the DEs go upfield and abuse the opposition... Spy Dak, and drop the other 6 in coverage.

we didnt do that and it was infuriating.

of a guy whose tenure as a HC is not going to last very long. Refuses to look at the real issues, and throws everyone else under the bus.

That makes me think McAdoo is good coach. Nothing

and also that you have mischaracterized what he said.

He very clearly stated that the offense was a big problem, and he complimented the defense.

Yes, the failure falls on all three phases. While the defense did it's part to keep the score down, they didn't get the ball back to the offense in favorable ways. Dallas enjoyed long drives. Even when forced to punt, the offense had to start around the 10 yard line repeatedly.

A great defense will force some 3 and outs of their own.

That means the Defense must play spectacular

because the offense is terrible right now

The defense has to dominate offenses and play lights out

That's the only way to compete right now until the offense develops.

is getting to his brain.

He needs to put down the chinese menu and starting actually watching the game.

same demeanor and reactions

he played back most of the game, didnt seem defense was agressive at all...

and mcadoo didnt blame the defense, he said the offense was putrid and the defense played hard and battled all night

In comment 13593695 Rflairr said:

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That makes me think McAdoo is good coach. Nothing

so 11-5 is nothing?

The D is getting a major pass due to how inept the offense was, but for a D that many were comparing to the '86 D, they were not very strong:

1 sack (on a blown screen)
No 3 and outs
No TOs
Little pressure

Drives of:
9 plays, 33 yards (punt)
9 plays, 51 yards (FG)
15 plays, 41 yards (FG)
7 plays, 35 yards (punt)
7 plays, 65 yards (TD)
7 plays, 51 yards (FG)
6 plays, 40 yards (punt)
11 plays, 38 yards (punt)
10 plays, 34 yards (FG)

Even when the D 'stopped' them, the Cowboys were pinning the Giants inside the 20 or even the 10 which further limits an offenses playcalling ability. I guess if by 'top 5 D' everyone meant bend-but-don't-break, then sure, the D did their job.

The guy is a clueless disaster so far.
I didn't like his BS comments about the DAL secondary. I don't like his approach to practice. And his offense is as boring and ineffective as any pro offense I can ever remember.

I'm rolling my eyes at the defense too, but it's McAdoo's incompetent offense that is killing this team.

Complimentary football? LMAO. There was a late-game shot of Snacks on the sideline that said it all - right after the 12 men in the huddle penalty. Just shaking his head. The D was getting pissed at the offense last year and has probably had just about enough of this sh#t ALREADY. Week 1.

In comment 13593679 Eric from BBI said:

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I understand what he is saying. Look, the defense allowed four scoring drives in six first-half Dallas possessions. You want to be a "great" defense? Get the other team off of the field, even when your offense is doing nothing.

And the starting yard line for Dallas' first half scoring drives? Last night's misery was 90% on the offense, and that is being generous.

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In comment 13593695 Rflairr said: Quote: That makes me think McAdoo is good coach. Nothing so 11-5 is nothing?

No because we all know that was mostly Spags defense. McAdoo's shitty offense was one of the worse in the league

It was prefaced by saying all three phases of the game were at fault. I don't remember anything terrible from special teams besides penalties.

How quickly MacAdoo's stock has descended.

I took no offense in his comments. The defense did give up too many drives, left a clean pocket too often and had no turnovers

They were ok, certainly not great

on the first drive, when Dak was clearly stopped short of the line to gain, and the refs gave him a hometown spot?

You want the defense to get off the field? Start by having their back

In comment 13593736 mfsd said:

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on the first drive, when Dak was clearly stopped short of the line to gain, and the refs gave him a hometown spot? You want the defense to get off the field? Start by having their back

Bingo!

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In comment 13593679 Eric from BBI said: Quote: I understand what he is saying. Look, the defense allowed four scoring drives in six first-half Dallas possessions. You want to be a "great" defense? Get the other team off of the field, even when your offense is doing nothing. And the starting yard line for Dallas' first half scoring drives? Last night's misery was 90% on the offense, and that is being generous.

The starting yard line for all of the Giants drives'? The D definitely shares in the blame. We got destroyed in the field position battle.

In comment 13593736 mfsd said:

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on the first drive, when Dak was clearly stopped short of the line to gain, and the refs gave him a hometown spot? You want the defense to get off the field? Start by having their back

You're never going to get that call reversed. It was literally inches.

In comment 13593725 Rflairr said:

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In comment 13593706 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 13593695 Rflairr said: Quote: That makes me think McAdoo is good coach. Nothing so 11-5 is nothing? No because we all know that was mostly Spags defense. McAdoo's shitty offense was one of the worse in the league

isnt he the head coach?

so spags won the super bowl in 07? not coughlin?

Yes, the game was mostly on the offense.

But Dallas' four scoring drives were 9 plays, 14 plays, 6 plays, and 7 plays for a total of 208 yards.

That is not insignificant.

Get off the field. Force a turnover. Get sacks.

The defense essentially played an entire game in the first half.

If his standard is '00 Ravens, then yea I suppose the defense came up short.

The offense has to at least move the ball and kick some FGs. Even the '00 Ravens had a strong running game w Lewis.

That said, Apple didn't have his best game. Neither did the safeties. On the Witten TD, the safety was frozen in the middle of the field.

Four first-half scoring drives

if this offense was able to move then ball at all the defense would not have been on the field as much as they were in the first half alone. To me the mark of a good defense is when things aren't going your way like a pitcher they keep their team in the game. And with all that went wrong they played their asses off and in the second half kept giving the ball back to the offense until Eli's interception sealed the deal. I don't know how you can put any of this on the defense. Like someone posted tone deaf.

I agree, the defense wasn't spectacular. I think that play where little Cole Besley caught the ball on his should pads, Apple needs to just wrap him up force the punt, the slip screen to Zeke which netted about 30 yards, the pass down the field to Dez, this defense was unspectacular and even got gashed in the big spots. But, anyone who thinks the defense is the problem with the Giants just isn't paying attention. People are laughing at the Giants offense. And McAdoo doesn't have any idea how to fix the offense.

I thought towards the end of last season that McAdoo seemed like a good organization guy but what he knows about Xs and Os is not a lot. Unfortunately that leaves us hoping that Sullivan will have some answers for the offense and I just don't think there's any reason to even hope that Sullivan is going to figure this thing out.

In comment 13593679 Eric from BBI said:

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I understand what he is saying. Look, the defense allowed four scoring drives in six first-half Dallas possessions. You want to be a "great" defense? Get the other team off of the field, even when your offense is doing nothing.

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They kept them in the game, but were far from great last night. Whoever started comparing them to the '86 team,
it's a bit premature for that. This offense needs to get more creative, that part has to change.
Even an average defense like the Cowboys,
had no trouble with this offense.
Marshall didn't even looked engaged last night,
maybe not throwing him the ball early didn't help that?
One catch at the end of the game, two targets I believe.

In comment 13593679 Eric from BBI said:

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I understand what he is saying. Look, the defense allowed four scoring drives in six first-half Dallas possessions. You want to be a "great" defense? Get the other team off of the field, even when your offense is doing nothing.

I have to agree here but will say, we got robbed on a very early stop where the ball was poorly marked. Yes, we stopped the drive anyway but field position changed a lot.

We did allow way to many short passes that hurt us. However, if the offense did anything I think we would have seen things differently. The Cowboys benefited with great field position and some penalties but still only managed FG's for the most part. Again, stop them from scoring as you are supposed to but the defense can't be expected to dominate when they are playing on half the field.

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In comment 13593695 Rflairr said: Quote: That makes me think McAdoo is good coach. Nothing so 11-5 is nothing?

on the backs of a 200 million defensive spend a scheduled that was half filled with rookie qb's and a blow out loss
In the playoffs. He's a genius.

It's one game. See how the team responds next week.

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same demeanor and reactions

Ray Handley?

In comment 13593758 trueblueinpw said:

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I agree, the defense wasn't spectacular. I think that play where little Cole Besley caught the ball on his should pads, Apple needs to just wrap him up force the punt, the slip screen to Zeke which netted about 30 yards, the pass down the field to Dez, this defense was unspectacular and even got gashed in the big spots. But, anyone who thinks the defense is the problem with the Giants just isn't paying attention. People are laughing at the Giants offense. And McAdoo doesn't have any idea how to fix the offense. I thought towards the end of last season that McAdoo seemed like a good organization guy but what he knows about Xs and Os is not a lot. Unfortunately that leaves us hoping that Sullivan will have some answers for the offense and I just don't think there's any reason to even hope that Sullivan is going to figure this thing out.

Saying that the defense needs to get off the field is not the same as blaming the defense.

Very rarely is football - success or failure - just about one solitary thing.

all is better. 0-2 would not be fun.

has been playing against this offense all offseason and they know the Offense stinks.

The D didn't have a great game but it's got to be demoralizing knowing that you must score at least 2 TD's by yourself to even have a chance.

Everyone on the Coaching Staff, Front Office and Offense (aside from OBJ/Engram/Shepard) has to feel their seats getting warm today.

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on the first drive, when Dak was clearly stopped short of the line to gain, and the refs gave him a hometown spot?

+1.

I understand not wanting to spend a challenge on the third play, but that was a pretty big moment (and a fairly generous spot), and McAdoo had a good chance of success. Didn't the crowd groan when they saw the replay overhead?

That said, McAdoo's remarks don't bother me. The whole team needs to play better.

when your own offense doesn't give you much of a breather?

In comment 13593687 Gatorade Dunk said:

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He said that it falls on all three phases: defense has to get off the field (this is absolutely true; there were a lot of extended drives by Dallas), special teams has to help with field position, offense has to improve in all areas (and he specifically noted doing a better job of possessing the ball). None of that is inaccurate.

it may be accurate but it is a BS way to earn trust. The defense did its job and honestly special teams held dallas's teams in check. We had one good Kickoff return called back on a hold and Harris missed downing the ball inside the one but our special teams did its job. Defense did its job. The offense sucked. There is no hiding or avoiding that. That was a pitiful performance.

They loaded him up on D and he has a DC in Spags who will
Help this team win more Games Than they lose. We are stuck w him.and his defenders will pretend he has something to done the D and the wins.

It could just as easily be said that the O needs to get more than 50 yards in a half. Wonder why he didn't say that. My dislike for this guy as a coach was already there. This type of statement shows he's not going if tobbeone to take the lane for anything on husband plate.

In comment 13593745 Eric from BBI said:

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Yes, the game was mostly on the offense. But Dallas' four scoring drives were 9 plays, 14 plays, 6 plays, and 7 plays for a total of 208 yards. That is not insignificant. Get off the field. Force a turnover. Get sacks.

Very true, but in fairness to the Giants defense, Zak Prescott is a low risk QB and his rookie year indicates he's going to be a low interception QB. And as for sacks, he's exactly the type of QB that can kill a fierce pass rush with his athleticism. Defenses just can't rear back and charge Zak... he's way too damn dangerous.

has to look at things from a team perspective.....

However, the defense didn't play great. But, they did play well enough to win.

Special teams did their job.

The offense was no where near good enough.

Offense is the problem right now, plain and simple.

last night was more than just a loss.

It was the worst case scenario - after all the hype and (read: bullshit), we're the same unwatchable offense. Nothing's changed. McAdoo continues to oversee an offense that doesn't execute and is easy to stop. Eli continues to be a QB that cannot make plays. Every other game I watch the QB is escaping pressure and making plays to keep the chains moving. Ours just falls down. His accuracy on the move is a joke.

It was just 1 loss, but the implications go far deeper. This was supposed to be the best team since '08. We took it on good faith that BM didn't have the pieces last year and we would never EVER see anything so inept again. But we were inept again, which probably means McAdoo, or at least McAdoo/Sullivan, isn't the guy. Which already means wait till next year.

Plus, our pride and joy D did not show the killer instinct great defenses have. They lacked intensity and looked passive. 2 hopefuls we had for DPOY (JPP and Landon Collins) did nothing. (Was Collins on the field?)

Combine all of that with OBJ's injury and it's as disappointing a start as could be imagined.

In comment 13593748 Eric from BBI said:

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Four first-half scoring drives

You can try to put that on the defense but the Offense killed the Giants. if the Gmen had a few first downs and missed a play here and there, then I would agree the defense has to do better. BUT, when you give the ball back immediately and by leaving the defense a very short field, then the issue is the offense not the defense. We played from mid field back most of the game!

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In comment 13593687 Gatorade Dunk said:

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He said that it falls on all three phases: defense has to get off the field (this is absolutely true; there were a lot of extended drives by Dallas), special teams has to help with field position, offense has to improve in all areas (and he specifically noted doing a better job of possessing the ball). None of that is inaccurate.

That's fair. If you're struggling on offense starting at the -8 all the time doesn't help.