Welcomes two-time Super Bowl champion David Diehl. David discusses the Giants offensive struggles. We also take a look at how to fix it and what's in store against the Lions. Plus David shares a Super Bowl 42 story about what was being said on the field between him and several Patriots before that final drive!
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Yup keep ignoring the facts and not commenting on them. Because what Bob and David just told you was that it's not Eli. Are you saying they're wrong??
This is what I'm talking about when I say McAdoo's sucked his entire 4 years here. His scheme is garbage. Sure it will work sometimes, but overall, it's garbage.
We can't get rid of this guy soon enough. He is terrifying.
As for your most recent post, I don't think it's the teams "strategy" to take what the defense gives us. I think Mac stresses the importance of taking care of the ball as a qb, I think it's possible he stresses it more than Coughlin did. So I think we have a couple of things going on, I you have the qb being a little to careful on coaches instructions, lack of anyone being open, and third the OL. What Dave Diehl said on the podcast about Dallas just sitting, or knowing where our we were going to be isn't good news in the least bit. One thing that I feel I have heard a lot, is that Mac's offense is easy to defend, it certainly looked easy to defend Sunday night.
Now does adding a mobile qb who can throw the ball, and most importantly know where and when to throw the ball make this offense better? Of course, but if we're attempting to fit Eli in an offense that isn't designed for him, then we should get used to struggle, although Eli played well early under Mac's offense. Although we were told Coughlin and Mac combined offenses.
How a guy can care enough to go to Bentley's boot camp, start 86 games but still not be able to get this very simple concept is beyond ridiculous. He should be cut with extreme prejudice.
At the end of the day, though, you can't blame these guys. They are likely doing the best they can. If someone offered me the Head Coach job - I'd take it. You blame the decision-makers.
He also said no one on the OL knew Tyree had caught the ball on his helmet. They just heard the crowd roar, knew it was a completion, and got up to run another play. It wasn't until a timeout when they looked up at the jumbotron that they realized what happened.
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map711 already told us that there are facts proving that Eli is entirely blameless. Facts! So if you think otherwise, just pack it up and go home.
Yup keep ignoring the facts and not commenting on them. Because what Bob and David just told you was that it's not Eli. Are you saying they're wrong??
I don't think "facts" means what you think it does.
I don't think Bob or David would tell you that over the last 15-20 games of Giants offense, that Eli is 100% blameless or shouldn't play better. (That's just a prediction -- I certainly won't put words in Bob's mouth. I know he posts and lurks here from time to time, so maybe he can share some thoughts on Eli's play over that stretch).
I happen to agree with them that the OL is the biggest of the problems (both Sunday night and last season). There really isn't anyone disputing that thought. After that, it's very difficult to tell on specific plays/drives how much is Eli versus coaching/play-calling, but they both bear some of it in my view.
The problem is - that has ruined Eli. I think that's what people are saying when they say he's cooked. His internal clock is destroyed because of this ridiculous scheme and OLine. And the OLine's been bad for 7 years.
Giants management caused this decline by what they allowed to happen with the offense around him. But make no mistake about it: he's terrible, just as any other QB would be under these circumstances. The toll its taken is very real.
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map711 already told us that there are facts proving that Eli is entirely blameless. Facts! So if you think otherwise, just pack it up and go home.
Yup keep ignoring the facts and not commenting on them. Because what Bob and David just told you was that it's not Eli. Are you saying they're wrong??
I don't think "facts" means what you think it does.
I don't think Bob or David would tell you that over the last 15-20 games of Giants offense, that Eli is 100% blameless or shouldn't play better. (That's just a prediction -- I certainly won't put words in Bob's mouth. I know he posts and lurks here from time to time, so maybe he can share some thoughts on Eli's play over that stretch).
I happen to agree with them that the OL is the biggest of the problems (both Sunday night and last season). There really isn't anyone disputing that thought. After that, it's very difficult to tell on specific plays/drives how much is Eli versus coaching/play-calling, but they both bear some of it in my view.
Well you have no idea what they would say so that's a moot point. I do think you never have liked Eli and see this as an opportunity to bash him. It just seems that way. Because you do admit this OL is bad and it's the same OL as last year. So with a poor OL, no running game, and WRs not getting open, little time to throw, how in the world do expect Eli to play better?
Spoiler alert: You won't like it.
I use to that only as one counterpoint to show that it's possible a well-informed football mind to think Eli's play could be better.
If anything, I find it to be a tad harsh.
I do admit you haven't bashed him like some other posters. But it does come off as disingenuous when you say it's partially his fault or he needs to play better. Because with all the other bad things happening around him, even partially blaming him seems ridiculous. There's no reason for it really. Other than you don't like him. Because anyone who listened to Bob and David breaking down that game, why would you just throw out the Eli needs to play better statement? The same problems that this team had on Sunday are the same as last year. And on Sunday, it was even worse without our star WR to at least give Eli some help.
It doesn't make what he says a fact or necessarily spot on, but saying that Eli should be better isn't an outrageous position to take.
Both extremes are completely ridiculous.
Both extremes are completely ridiculous.
But uf you give him time to throw and the WRs get open he'll play better. If he has a running game that makes the defense at least respect it, he will play better. Unless you think he won't play better under better conditions? So again, I don't understand the Eli needs to play better thing. Great QBs have looked bad under constant pressure. We've seen this time and time again. Why is Eli being held under a different standard? We all know the game plan for all QBs. Pressure them constantly and they will look bad. It's been a game plan for as long as the league has been around. Eli is no different.
But you should just be aware that you are the one at the extreme, not the people suggesting that Eli gets a non-zero share of the blame for the way this offense has performed recently.
Even Henry Hynoski mentioned the communication issue in another podcast.
As for your most recent post, I don't think it's the teams "strategy" to take what the defense gives us. I think Mac stresses the importance of taking care of the ball as a qb, I think it's possible he stresses it more than Coughlin did. So I think we have a couple of things going on, I you have the qb being a little to careful on coaches instructions, lack of anyone being open, and third the OL. What Dave Diehl said on the podcast about Dallas just sitting, or knowing where our we were going to be isn't good news in the least bit. One thing that I feel I have heard a lot, is that Mac's offense is easy to defend, it certainly looked easy to defend Sunday night.
Now does adding a mobile qb who can throw the ball, and most importantly know where and when to throw the ball make this offense better? Of course, but if we're attempting to fit Eli in an offense that isn't designed for him, then we should get used to struggle, although Eli played well early under Mac's offense. Although we were told Coughlin and Mac combined offenses.
Thanks crick - I appreciate the kind words. I think you and I are actually on the same page because I really agree with everything you just said. Perhaps I'm not communicating well. I think a better word than strategy might be guiding principle or philosophy.
He seems to think most of these things are technique, communication, and confidence.
I have a feeling are OT's are technique poor and not very bright. They aren't adjusting or communicating.
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First let me say, I appreciate your posts on this forum. I look forward to reading your thoughts.
As for your most recent post, I don't think it's the teams "strategy" to take what the defense gives us. I think Mac stresses the importance of taking care of the ball as a qb, I think it's possible he stresses it more than Coughlin did. So I think we have a couple of things going on, I you have the qb being a little to careful on coaches instructions, lack of anyone being open, and third the OL. What Dave Diehl said on the podcast about Dallas just sitting, or knowing where our we were going to be isn't good news in the least bit. One thing that I feel I have heard a lot, is that Mac's offense is easy to defend, it certainly looked easy to defend Sunday night.
Now does adding a mobile qb who can throw the ball, and most importantly know where and when to throw the ball make this offense better? Of course, but if we're attempting to fit Eli in an offense that isn't designed for him, then we should get used to struggle, although Eli played well early under Mac's offense. Although we were told Coughlin and Mac combined offenses.
Thanks crick - I appreciate the kind words. I think you and I are actually on the same page because I really agree with everything you just said. Perhaps I'm not communicating well. I think a better word than strategy might be guiding principle or philosophy.
Dan, perhaps my reading comprehension could use some work!
Both extremes are completely ridiculous.
Completely agree, hoya.
I don't think anything that you've said here is uncommon in the NFL, especially with division opponents. It's not like teams change the playbook every year. When you play a team twice a year in your division, you know what their offense is supposed to be. And the Giants know what the Cowboys run too. They've been playing Jason Garrett teams for almost 10 years. They know the types of run plays they like, the types of concepts they favor, and the plays that they run most often in different situations. All division opponents have that familiarity. That's why these games are typically close contests.
I agree with all of this, but would point out that going back over the past year Eli has had an increasing number of lousy games. There may be many reasons for his poor play, but age cannot be discounted just because Giant fans do not want to acknowledge the inevitable decline in skills and mobility that comes to all QBs. The real indictment is to the front office and coaching staff who have elected to go with an aging QB but have done nothing to mitigate his weaknesses by either improving his protection or designing a scheme to get some of the pressure off the QB. The sad part of Sunday night is not the final score but the fact that the Giants were so thoroughly over-matched from the outset.
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Of the posters who are putting all (or even most) of the blame on Eli. There are maybe one or two.
Some of you are basically mocking a strawman when you call out some anti-Eli mob.
Save for one or two completely ludicrous posts, The "Eli blamers" have blamed the OL + Eli + coaching.
Read the posts. The people backlashing against any blame being cast toward Eli are providing less insight and more useless drivel than the unspecified group people they are trying to call out.
Not sure how you could of listened to that audio and still think Eli is a part of the problem. Sorry but that just blew up all the people who either say he's the problem or part of the problem. I'm quite confident you and the other posters have never watched the all 22 tape. These guys have. No one is open and no time to throw and no running game. But yup Eli is all or part of the problem. Your on record.
All-22 is available to anyone with $100 in their pocket. It's not that hard to gain access.
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Of the posters who are putting all (or even most) of the blame on Eli. There are maybe one or two.
Some of you are basically mocking a strawman when you call out some anti-Eli mob.
Save for one or two completely ludicrous posts, The "Eli blamers" have blamed the OL + Eli + coaching.
Read the posts. The people backlashing against any blame being cast toward Eli are providing less insight and more useless drivel than the unspecified group people they are trying to call out.
Not sure how you could of listened to that audio and still think Eli is a part of the problem. Sorry but that just blew up all the people who either say he's the problem or part of the problem. I'm quite confident you and the other posters have never watched the all 22 tape. These guys have. No one is open and no time to throw and no running game. But yup Eli is all or part of the problem. Your on record.
You're.
And yes, I'm on record -- Eli needs better OL play in front of him, but can and should also play a bit better than he has over the last 15-20 games as a body of work.
I hope that doesn't trigger you too much more than it has already, pumpkin.
Hi sweetheart. Doesn't trigger anything other than the fact that now you are trying to backtrack on your Eli stance. You're wrong. Simple.
Oooh, you got "you're" right this time. You might as well get something right at some point since you like questioning people's IQ.
I'll go on record. I think Eli is in decline. I've said all along that I do acknowledge that the OL needs to be better/play better, but I also think they're being scapegoated to some extent for Eli's weaknesses.
And if you think this podcast is the gospel, I'll point you ~10 minutes in when Diehl suggests they send Eli out on rollouts. But I'm supposed to believe he's informed and unbiased?
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Of the posters who are putting all (or even most) of the blame on Eli. There are maybe one or two.
Some of you are basically mocking a strawman when you call out some anti-Eli mob.
Save for one or two completely ludicrous posts, The "Eli blamers" have blamed the OL + Eli + coaching.
Read the posts. The people backlashing against any blame being cast toward Eli are providing less insight and more useless drivel than the unspecified group people they are trying to call out.
Not sure how you could of listened to that audio and still think Eli is a part of the problem. Sorry but that just blew up all the people who either say he's the problem or part of the problem. I'm quite confident you and the other posters have never watched the all 22 tape. These guys have. No one is open and no time to throw and no running game. But yup Eli is all or part of the problem. Your on record.
You're.
And yes, I'm on record -- Eli needs better OL play in front of him, but can and should also play a bit better than he has over the last 15-20 games as a body of work.
I hope that doesn't trigger you too much more than it has already, pumpkin.
Hi sweetheart. Doesn't trigger anything other than the fact that now you are trying to backtrack on your Eli stance. You're wrong. Simple.
Oooh, you got "you're" right this time. You might as well get something right at some point since you like questioning people's IQ.
I'll go on record. I think Eli is in decline. I've said all along that I do acknowledge that the OL needs to be better/play better, but I also think they're being scapegoated to some extent for Eli's weaknesses.
And if you think this podcast is the gospel, I'll point you ~10 minutes in when Diehl suggests they send Eli out on rollouts. But I'm supposed to believe he's informed and unbiased?
So now we're down to talking about that I used your instead of you're once in a freaking post? My god. Nothing better to say I guess. I'll believe David way before I believe you when it comes to football. So you are a better source than Papa and Diehl? Ok then.
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Of the posters who are putting all (or even most) of the blame on Eli. There are maybe one or two.
Some of you are basically mocking a strawman when you call out some anti-Eli mob.
Save for one or two completely ludicrous posts, The "Eli blamers" have blamed the OL + Eli + coaching.
Read the posts. The people backlashing against any blame being cast toward Eli are providing less insight and more useless drivel than the unspecified group people they are trying to call out.
Not sure how you could of listened to that audio and still think Eli is a part of the problem. Sorry but that just blew up all the people who either say he's the problem or part of the problem. I'm quite confident you and the other posters have never watched the all 22 tape. These guys have. No one is open and no time to throw and no running game. But yup Eli is all or part of the problem. Your on record.
All-22 is available to anyone with $100 in their pocket. It's not that hard to gain access.
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The question is did you watch it? I'm guessing no way. Even if you did, what expertise do you have over the two guys on the podcast? We know their qualifications- what are your qualifications???
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Of the posters who are putting all (or even most) of the blame on Eli. There are maybe one or two.
Some of you are basically mocking a strawman when you call out some anti-Eli mob.
Save for one or two completely ludicrous posts, The "Eli blamers" have blamed the OL + Eli + coaching.
Read the posts. The people backlashing against any blame being cast toward Eli are providing less insight and more useless drivel than the unspecified group people they are trying to call out.
Not sure how you could of listened to that audio and still think Eli is a part of the problem. Sorry but that just blew up all the people who either say he's the problem or part of the problem. I'm quite confident you and the other posters have never watched the all 22 tape. These guys have. No one is open and no time to throw and no running game. But yup Eli is all or part of the problem. Your on record.
All-22 is available to anyone with $100 in their pocket. It's not that hard to gain access.
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The question is did you watch it? I'm guessing no way. Even if you did, what expertise do you have over the two guys on the podcast? We know their qualifications- what are your qualifications???
You want to keep moving the goalposts, have at it. Sorry that you didn't realize that the All-22 was available to the general public. But yes, I've played QB in the NFL and been a head coach in the NFL exactly the same number of games as Papa and Diehl combined. Crazy coincidence, I know.
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Of the posters who are putting all (or even most) of the blame on Eli. There are maybe one or two.
Some of you are basically mocking a strawman when you call out some anti-Eli mob.
Save for one or two completely ludicrous posts, The "Eli blamers" have blamed the OL + Eli + coaching.
Read the posts. The people backlashing against any blame being cast toward Eli are providing less insight and more useless drivel than the unspecified group people they are trying to call out.
Not sure how you could of listened to that audio and still think Eli is a part of the problem. Sorry but that just blew up all the people who either say he's the problem or part of the problem. I'm quite confident you and the other posters have never watched the all 22 tape. These guys have. No one is open and no time to throw and no running game. But yup Eli is all or part of the problem. Your on record.
All-22 is available to anyone with $100 in their pocket. It's not that hard to gain access.
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The question is did you watch it? I'm guessing no way. Even if you did, what expertise do you have over the two guys on the podcast? We know their qualifications- what are your qualifications???
You want to keep moving the goalposts, have at it. Sorry that you didn't realize that the All-22 was available to the general public. But yes, I've played QB in the NFL and been a head coach in the NFL exactly the same number of games as Papa and Diehl combined. Crazy coincidence, I know.
Now you are making yourself look silly. So again you think you know as much or more about football than Diehl and Papa. Ok then.
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Of the posters who are putting all (or even most) of the blame on Eli. There are maybe one or two.
Some of you are basically mocking a strawman when you call out some anti-Eli mob.
Save for one or two completely ludicrous posts, The "Eli blamers" have blamed the OL + Eli + coaching.
Read the posts. The people backlashing against any blame being cast toward Eli are providing less insight and more useless drivel than the unspecified group people they are trying to call out.
Not sure how you could of listened to that audio and still think Eli is a part of the problem. Sorry but that just blew up all the people who either say he's the problem or part of the problem. I'm quite confident you and the other posters have never watched the all 22 tape. These guys have. No one is open and no time to throw and no running game. But yup Eli is all or part of the problem. Your on record.
All-22 is available to anyone with $100 in their pocket. It's not that hard to gain access.
Link - ( New Window )
The question is did you watch it? I'm guessing no way. Even if you did, what expertise do you have over the two guys on the podcast? We know their qualifications- what are your qualifications???
You want to keep moving the goalposts, have at it. Sorry that you didn't realize that the All-22 was available to the general public. But yes, I've played QB in the NFL and been a head coach in the NFL exactly the same number of games as Papa and Diehl combined. Crazy coincidence, I know.
And by the way, I knew the 22 was available. That was not what I was getting at. Read it again champ. My take was that he and you never watched it. So when Papa and Diehl watched it - it made them have a much clearer take on the situation than you. Period.
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Of the posters who are putting all (or even most) of the blame on Eli. There are maybe one or two.
Some of you are basically mocking a strawman when you call out some anti-Eli mob.
Save for one or two completely ludicrous posts, The "Eli blamers" have blamed the OL + Eli + coaching.
Read the posts. The people backlashing against any blame being cast toward Eli are providing less insight and more useless drivel than the unspecified group people they are trying to call out.
Not sure how you could of listened to that audio and still think Eli is a part of the problem. Sorry but that just blew up all the people who either say he's the problem or part of the problem. I'm quite confident you and the other posters have never watched the all 22 tape. These guys have. No one is open and no time to throw and no running game. But yup Eli is all or part of the problem. Your on record.
All-22 is available to anyone with $100 in their pocket. It's not that hard to gain access.
Link - ( New Window )
The question is did you watch it? I'm guessing no way. Even if you did, what expertise do you have over the two guys on the podcast? We know their qualifications- what are your qualifications???
You want to keep moving the goalposts, have at it. Sorry that you didn't realize that the All-22 was available to the general public. But yes, I've played QB in the NFL and been a head coach in the NFL exactly the same number of games as Papa and Diehl combined. Crazy coincidence, I know.
And it's convenient that you're flat out ignoring Sy's game review that Hoya directed you toward. As Hoya mentioned, Sy is a professional scout - so he's definitely qualified to offer his take on Eli's performance, wouldn't you agree?
Here was his take from Sunday night (on Eli; you can read the rest yourself if you want):
LB B.J. Goodson, DT Damon Harrison, OG Justin Pugh
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RT Bobby Hart, LT Ereck Flowers, QB Eli Manning
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Of the posters who are putting all (or even most) of the blame on Eli. There are maybe one or two.
Some of you are basically mocking a strawman when you call out some anti-Eli mob.
Save for one or two completely ludicrous posts, The "Eli blamers" have blamed the OL + Eli + coaching.
Read the posts. The people backlashing against any blame being cast toward Eli are providing less insight and more useless drivel than the unspecified group people they are trying to call out.
Not sure how you could of listened to that audio and still think Eli is a part of the problem. Sorry but that just blew up all the people who either say he's the problem or part of the problem. I'm quite confident you and the other posters have never watched the all 22 tape. These guys have. No one is open and no time to throw and no running game. But yup Eli is all or part of the problem. Your on record.
All-22 is available to anyone with $100 in their pocket. It's not that hard to gain access.
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The question is did you watch it? I'm guessing no way. Even if you did, what expertise do you have over the two guys on the podcast? We know their qualifications- what are your qualifications???
You want to keep moving the goalposts, have at it. Sorry that you didn't realize that the All-22 was available to the general public. But yes, I've played QB in the NFL and been a head coach in the NFL exactly the same number of games as Papa and Diehl combined. Crazy coincidence, I know.
And by the way, I knew the 22 was available. That was not what I was getting at. Read it again champ. My take was that he and you never watched it. So when Papa and Diehl watched it - it made them have a much clearer take on the situation than you. Period.
I absolutely watched it. Why would I pay for it and then not watch it?
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Of the posters who are putting all (or even most) of the blame on Eli. There are maybe one or two.
Some of you are basically mocking a strawman when you call out some anti-Eli mob.
Save for one or two completely ludicrous posts, The "Eli blamers" have blamed the OL + Eli + coaching.
Read the posts. The people backlashing against any blame being cast toward Eli are providing less insight and more useless drivel than the unspecified group people they are trying to call out.
Not sure how you could of listened to that audio and still think Eli is a part of the problem. Sorry but that just blew up all the people who either say he's the problem or part of the problem. I'm quite confident you and the other posters have never watched the all 22 tape. These guys have. No one is open and no time to throw and no running game. But yup Eli is all or part of the problem. Your on record.
All-22 is available to anyone with $100 in their pocket. It's not that hard to gain access.
Link - ( New Window )
The question is did you watch it? I'm guessing no way. Even if you did, what expertise do you have over the two guys on the podcast? We know their qualifications- what are your qualifications???
You want to keep moving the goalposts, have at it. Sorry that you didn't realize that the All-22 was available to the general public. But yes, I've played QB in the NFL and been a head coach in the NFL exactly the same number of games as Papa and Diehl combined. Crazy coincidence, I know.
And it's convenient that you're flat out ignoring Sy's game review that Hoya directed you toward. As Hoya mentioned, Sy is a professional scout - so he's definitely qualified to offer his take on Eli's performance, wouldn't you agree?
Here was his take from Sunday night (on Eli; you can read the rest yourself if you want):
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29/38 – 220 yards – 0 TD – 1 INT – 78.8 rating. Manning lacked command and toughness. His shaky feet in the pocket could partially be blamed on the poor play upfront, but he rushed several throws when he didn’t need to. There was enough zip on his passes and his lone deep pass of the night actually had too much on it. When the team needed him to step up, he didn’t answer the bell. A couple of the biggest opportunities resulted in Manning not getting the job done.
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LB B.J. Goodson, DT Damon Harrison, OG Justin Pugh
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RT Bobby Hart, LT Ereck Flowers, QB Eli Manning
And you ignore Diehl and Papa. So now what? Listen we will agree to disagree. Because we can go round and round. I don't think Eli is to blame for the offense. You believe he is- or at the very least- partially to blame. We'll just go with that. I think that is not correct. You do. Great. Carry on.
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Of the posters who are putting all (or even most) of the blame on Eli. There are maybe one or two.
Some of you are basically mocking a strawman when you call out some anti-Eli mob.
Save for one or two completely ludicrous posts, The "Eli blamers" have blamed the OL + Eli + coaching.
Read the posts. The people backlashing against any blame being cast toward Eli are providing less insight and more useless drivel than the unspecified group people they are trying to call out.
Not sure how you could of listened to that audio and still think Eli is a part of the problem. Sorry but that just blew up all the people who either say he's the problem or part of the problem. I'm quite confident you and the other posters have never watched the all 22 tape. These guys have. No one is open and no time to throw and no running game. But yup Eli is all or part of the problem. Your on record.
All-22 is available to anyone with $100 in their pocket. It's not that hard to gain access.
Link - ( New Window )
The question is did you watch it? I'm guessing no way. Even if you did, what expertise do you have over the two guys on the podcast? We know their qualifications- what are your qualifications???
You want to keep moving the goalposts, have at it. Sorry that you didn't realize that the All-22 was available to the general public. But yes, I've played QB in the NFL and been a head coach in the NFL exactly the same number of games as Papa and Diehl combined. Crazy coincidence, I know.
And it's convenient that you're flat out ignoring Sy's game review that Hoya directed you toward. As Hoya mentioned, Sy is a professional scout - so he's definitely qualified to offer his take on Eli's performance, wouldn't you agree?
Here was his take from Sunday night (on Eli; you can read the rest yourself if you want):
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29/38 – 220 yards – 0 TD – 1 INT – 78.8 rating. Manning lacked command and toughness. His shaky feet in the pocket could partially be blamed on the poor play upfront, but he rushed several throws when he didn’t need to. There was enough zip on his passes and his lone deep pass of the night actually had too much on it. When the team needed him to step up, he didn’t answer the bell. A couple of the biggest opportunities resulted in Manning not getting the job done.
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LB B.J. Goodson, DT Damon Harrison, OG Justin Pugh
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RT Bobby Hart, LT Ereck Flowers, QB Eli Manning
And you ignore Diehl and Papa. So now what? Listen we will agree to disagree. Because we can go round and round. I don't think Eli is to blame for the offense. You believe he is- or at the very least- partially to blame. We'll just go with that. I think that is not correct. You do. Great. Carry on.
Fair enough. And I appreciate your position even though I disagree with it. Believe me, I hope you're right - your take is a much safer path to another Lombardi and I think we can both agree on that!
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He's being sacked less frequently than he was under TC/KG by a fair amount. Carr actually was sacked frequently; Eli might be rushing to avoid getting sacked, but he's been sacked less often than almost any other time in his career since BMc took over.
His game mngt skills are taking a hit as well as he clearly realizes the gameplan and his skills are not beating Defenses anymore...
His game mngt skills are taking a hit as well as he clearly realizes the gameplan and his skills are not beating Defenses anymore...
I wish any of us could sit down with Eli off the record and just ask him about the final drive against Dallas this past Sunday. Down 2+ scores with 2 minutes to go and almost every single pass was a 5 yard checkdown. Where is Eli the gunslinger? At that point in the game, even an interception doesn't really matter, and there wasn't really much pass rush since Dallas was in some form of prevent. Why was there no attempt to even try for a last ditch effort to win the game? Where was the QB that Accorsi fell in love with in Oxford?
I have been very critical of Eli this week and honestly, it was that drive that caused me to go back and look at the rest of his performance through a different lens.