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Even after Eli Manning’s 200 consecutive regular-season NFL starts, quantifying his career is difficult. Manning is in his 14th season, and nearly every one has felt like a crossroads. Which quarterback would show up for the Giants: the one capable of winning two Super Bowl MVPs — or the one capable of leading the NFL in interceptions for three seasons? The answer was probably somewhere in between. Manning has been reliably, and historically, mediocre. |
Tony Romo hung around for three injury plagued seasons and he rides off into the sunset. Philip Rivers hasn't won squat and he's still called clutch and at the top of his game. Cam Newton has been as average as anyone and gets a pass.
It just boggles my mind.
Tony Romo hung around for three injury plagued seasons and he rides off into the sunset. Philip Rivers hasn't won squat and he's still called clutch and at the top of his game. Cam Newton has been as average as anyone and gets a pass.
It just boggles my mind.
Tony Romo hung around for three injury plagued seasons and he rides off into the sunset. Philip Rivers hasn't won squat and he's still called clutch and at the top of his game. Cam Newton has been as average as anyone and gets a pass.
It just boggles my mind.
I have been saying for years that people still hate Eli for refusing to play for SD. It seems that many in the media were quick to forgive Michael Vick and sing his praises yet Eli is just some lucky INT machine.
Some big name quarterbacks have hade their mediocre moments in big spots. Eli has shown his greatness in those spots.
Eli has been a winner. The totally of his statics are for those who don t want to except his greatness in those big moments.
But the last few years for running for his life behind horrible olines have made him lose confidence. If he decided to retire next season due to GM and HC incompetence I would not blame him.
The media does not like him because 1- he is not Peyton. 2- he forced a trade
it seems you have to defend him against 1/2 the Giants fans out there
I guess you don't know Filthy well as he is among the most sarcastic posters on this site.
After he is retired people will appreciate what a good QB he was, but it won't happen until he is gone a while.
Carry the team
$20M
Iron horse
He's not the problem
Immobile
The line is gonna kill him
Back 9
Bad play calling
... and he was only ever mediocre anyway
Sweet Jesus
Some big name quarterbacks have hade their mediocre moments in big spots. Eli has shown his greatness in those spots.
Eli has been a winner. The totally of his statics are for those who don t want to except his greatness in those big moments.
This says it all Eli=Winner Everything else is just BS Tonight,10th Anniversary of SBXLII Champs-who was QB?
What can Eli do NOW to improve the performance of the offense? Time for him to earn his cap hit of $20M+.
Eli was spot on. He had that killer look. He was getting the job done in a big spot 9as he always does). The WRs let him down, big time.
This game hasn't passed by Eli, it's just that people fail to understand basic football.
Tony Romo hung around for three injury plagued seasons and he rides off into the sunset. Philip Rivers hasn't won squat and he's still called clutch and at the top of his game. Cam Newton has been as average as anyone and gets a pass.
It just boggles my mind.
I think it's more about how he came into the league (the whole San Diego draft situation) where the people who criticize him hang onto the notion that he was a douche for for him and his dad Archie snubbing san diego and choosing where he wanted to play instead excepting to go to chargers.(which in truth that's not how it went down but people who are crical and anti- eli - media etc -
believe it that way)
OK. Share with us your eternal wisdom as to why he is "completely finished".
This should be entertaining...
'Being there' is not an insult, but a big compliment. When the team around him has been good, he rose to the moment. When the team has been bad, he has taken his licks and kept ticking. Eli has never been a great athlete. He is a resilient and mentally strong craftsman. Some guys have the natural talent and don't use it. Guys like Eli make the most of their abilities and have productive careers.
Isn't this the nature of the argument when it comes to determining Eli's place in NFL history?
I know that, for me, victories in Super Bowls and conference championships (what I would call high leverage games) can indeed outweigh many games of mediocre play.
The author brings up 2011, pointing out that while it's Eli's best year it still isn't close to what Aaron Rodgers did that same season. And he's right...Rodgers's stats blew Eli's out of the water and he was the rightful regular season MVP.
But did Rodgers really have a better 2011 than Eli? Did the Packers have a better 2011 than the Giants? Did the people of Green Bay have a better 2011 than we did?
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A handful of high-leverage highlights can’t outweigh hundreds of games’ worth of mediocre play, not when we’re trying to pick the best of the best.
Isn't this the nature of the argument when it comes to determining Eli's place in NFL history?
I know that, for me, victories in Super Bowls and conference championships (what I would call high leverage games) can indeed outweigh many games of mediocre play.
The author brings up 2011, pointing out that while it's Eli's best year it still isn't close to what Aaron Rodgers did that same season. And he's right...Rodgers's stats blew Eli's out of the water and he was the rightful regular season MVP.
But did Rodgers really have a better 2011 than Eli? Did the Packers have a better 2011 than the Giants? Did the people of Green Bay have a better 2011 than we did?
I think Eli's 2011 season continues to be criminally underrated - both the regular season and playoffs.
If Eli only had one ring, I can see the argument that maybe he shouldn't get in the HOF. I don't consider Flacco a HOF'er. But Eli had two, won MVP twice, and has consistently been a top ten QB (with a couple of outliers).
He is inconsistent, infuriating and brilliant.
Giants fans know what he is capable of; other fans see last Monday night, i.e., (oline included) with missed wide open receivers, passes short of the line of gain and inability to avoid the rush.
Is Eli profoundly Mediocre? Not with two Super Bowls wins and MVPs - but other than that probably so...
Here Eli won two SBs and some fans shit on him. Just unreal.
Yep. Funny how history repeats itself. Wouldn't be surprised if the Giants are cursed with 20 years of shitty QB play after Eli.
Silly dichotomy. Favre led the lead in picks 3 times. Moon, Marino, Brees, Kelly, Peyton Manning all did it at least once. Eli's INT% career is equal or better than Elway, Favre, Moon, Kelly, Staubach, Tark, and Unitas.
So at best that's an argument that he's worse than 8 of the all time great productive QBs. Hardly a measure of mediocrity.
I have no idea how QBR works, so I cant respond to that.
Eli is not a great stats compiler. So he's going to be controversial. He also had fewer weapons than his contemporaries until very recently. But he's not mediocre. It's silly to assert that.
He's been of tremendous value on the intagibles that translate to success. The staff has not needed to revamp systems, dumb down game plans, allocate inordinate time to the QB - all things a team with a revolving door at QB must do.
And that investment has led to more winning years than losing years. The Giants have had 3 losing years since Manning's first full year starting.
He's been mediocre on the per year stat sheet, and anyone who denies that is a dodo.
But he's been consistent and reliable over a decade plus of football. And that's remarkable.
We're still in the Eli Manning era. Think about that. That's an amazing accomplishment and has allowed for many winning seasons and 2 rings.
That's criminal.
That's criminal.
In the article posted this morning about "Eli running on fumes", three unnamed NFL executives said they would take Prescott over Eli hands down.
It's been bullshit for decades now.
His durability is something we all take for granted but is pretty damn amazing. Honestly more impressive to me than anything on his resume'
Chad Pennington
Vince Young
Matt Schaub
David Garrard
Matt Hasselbeck
Michael Vick
Donovan McNabb
Colin Kaepernick
Jay Cutler
Josh Freeman
That's just a few. There have been a ton others which I forget.
I'll never understand it honestly. Maybe it's his look. Maybe it's the faces he makes. All I know is this, all we ever hear about is how tough Big Ben is, yet Eli never gets those same accolades. What is tough? How about that NFC title game in SF?
Eli throws a lot of picks & he's inconsistent. I'll say this though- if Eli wasn't Eli, and someone who cared about throwing less picks, Tyree & Manningham throws never happen.
He's led all or nothing Giant teams, no doubt. 2008 & 2010 were missed opportunities, but good years. I'm very thankful for the Eli era and how relevant the Giants have been. Just look at all the prime time games.
Chad Pennington
Vince Young
Matt Schaub
David Garrard
Matt Hasselbeck
Michael Vick
Donovan McNabb
Colin Kaepernick
Jay Cutler
Josh Freeman
That's just a few. There have been a ton others which I forget.
I'll never understand it honestly. Maybe it's his look. Maybe it's the faces he makes. All I know is this, all we ever hear about is how tough Big Ben is, yet Eli never gets those same accolades. What is tough? How about that NFC title game in SF?
Eli throws a lot of picks & he's inconsistent. I'll say this though- if Eli wasn't Eli, and someone who cared about throwing less picks, Tyree & Manningham throws never happen.
He's led all or nothing Giant teams, no doubt. 2008 & 2010 were missed opportunities, but good years. I'm very thankful for the Eli era and how relevant the Giants have been. Just look at all the prime time games.
It's been absolutely fucking nuts. It's even laughable.
That's criminal.
Lol say what
That said, the idea that he's had a mediocre career is just plain ridiculous. (Can't help but think this narrative is more than tinged with a serious anti-NY bias.)