But is very careful about not criticizing Flowers and others. Anyone catch the "sloppy QB play" comment? And a couple other comments on the turnover and bad throw comments. But made sure when the reporters were pushing on Flowers, he said it's not just one player.
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A reporter asked about the delay of game penalty, and McAdoo blamed 'sloppy QB play' and said the QB and center had to be on the same page.
Considering Eli has been having those delay of game issues for a long time, maybe he's got a point on that.
He also harped on the pick several times and made it clear Eli had several options on the 4th down play to Vereen. Just subtle things where he didn't point other specific negatives out when there were millions to chose from.
He certainly didn't lay off Eli - but several times the responses he gave were to specific questions about why Eli did something (why did Eli throw to short to Vereen, how did the INT happen, etc.). He also mentioned that there were protection issues - didn't sugar coat anything, although he gave props to Pugh moving into the RT spot.
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No way! He plays music at practice! He "gets" millennials!
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You must have watched a different game...or sport altogether
Considering Eli has been having those delay of game issues for a long time, maybe he's got a point on that.
Eli having major delay of game issues is a myth.
He's literally average/maybe slightly worse in terms of taking them in his career.
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Is the fact they blame the Offensive Line talent (Which is absolutely 100% justified to a degree) while also wanting to point the finger on Eli as playing bad when he has zero running game or time to throw due to the same horrid offensive line that they use as an excuse for McAdoo.
Montana, I do find it interesting that fans understand the OL stinks, but blame the qb in the same breath
It's not just the pressure on him, its that he has nothing, nada, zip of a running game to help set anything up. He is on an island out there with nothing to help him
Yep. No running game even though McAdoo force fed it at a time when the defense was playing pass. Receiver drops at critical moments. Inconsistent separation at best. No YAC from the receivers.
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Is the fact they blame the Offensive Line talent (Which is absolutely 100% justified to a degree) while also wanting to point the finger on Eli as playing bad when he has zero running game or time to throw due to the same horrid offensive line that they use as an excuse for McAdoo.
Montana, I do find it interesting that fans understand the OL stinks, but blame the qb in the same breath
Because Eli is hanging the OL and offense out to dry at other times. It's a symbiotic relationship; holding the ball too long, making an audible into a run play when the D has stacked the box - isn't doing the OL any favors either.
Further, have you spent some time watching OL play around the league lately? Nobody gets 4-5 seconds a play to pass on every passing down - not even Prescott, who has to rely on his mobility plenty to make plays when protection breaks down. That's what lead to his poor passing performance against Denver this past weekend.
Eli was a BIG reason we went into the tunnel losing at the half.
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A reporter asked about the delay of game penalty, and McAdoo blamed 'sloppy QB play' and said the QB and center had to be on the same page.
Considering Eli has been having those delay of game issues for a long time, maybe he's got a point on that.
Just watched it, I didn't think he through Eli under the bus. Mentioned a lot of times about the duress he was under. Yes he hated the Int, but so did I. He also seemed to signal OL changes, basically saying everything is on the table.
Good ham and eggin'
Wasn't he like 11-13 in 1st half? How was he bad. The line sucked and they couldn't run. I don't understand these comments.
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Is the fact they blame the Offensive Line talent (Which is absolutely 100% justified to a degree) while also wanting to point the finger on Eli as playing bad when he has zero running game or time to throw due to the same horrid offensive line that they use as an excuse for McAdoo.
Montana, I do find it interesting that fans understand the OL stinks, but blame the qb in the same breath
Because Eli is hanging the OL and offense out to dry at other times. It's a symbiotic relationship; holding the ball too long, making an audible into a run play when the D has stacked the box - isn't doing the OL any favors either.
Further, have you spent some time watching OL play around the league lately? Nobody gets 4-5 seconds a play to pass on every passing down - not even Prescott, who has to rely on his mobility plenty to make plays when protection breaks down. That's what lead to his poor passing performance against Denver this past weekend.
Eli was a BIG reason we went into the tunnel losing at the half.
JCN, you and I should probably agree to disagree with our philosophies on how an offense runs. I respect your opinion
Eli was a BIG reason we went into the tunnel losing at the half.
ITA. Eli killed 2 different first half drives by holding the ball too long and getting sacked, then made the single biggest negative play of the game with the pick.
As for McAdoo's criticism of Eli (but not of Flowers), I don't get it. McAdoo and Reese seem to bend over backwards not to criticize Flowers despite the fact he's KILLING the team and damn near the QB with his poor play. Meanwhile neither will hold their tongues when it comes to Eli or Odell. While Flowers was better in the 2nd half, he clearly does not deserve to play. Are we not holding people accountable anymore?
Would be very nice if we could put all the blame on them as they're all relatively inexpensive and easily replaced (players of this quality at least) - but it's not all on them.
Throw it away - nothing good is going to happen 6 seconds after the snap.
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A reporter asked about the delay of game penalty, and McAdoo blamed 'sloppy QB play' and said the QB and center had to be on the same page.
Considering Eli has been having those delay of game issues for a long time, maybe he's got a point on that.
Just watched it, I didn't think he through Eli under the bus. Mentioned a lot of times about the duress he was under. Yes he hated the Int, but so did I. He also seemed to signal OL changes, basically saying everything is on the table.
He's rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic but I suppose he needs to try something. If you love Flowers' act, you'll adore Fluker as it is much the same. Jones, the rose of the CFL? There is not a lot to work with.
I think they have to try Pugh-Flowers-Richberg-Fluker-Wheeler
See if Flowers and Fluker can play in a phone booth and hopefully provide some push up the middle.
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Is the fact they blame the Offensive Line talent (Which is absolutely 100% justified to a degree) while also wanting to point the finger on Eli as playing bad when he has zero running game or time to throw due to the same horrid offensive line that they use as an excuse for McAdoo.
Montana, I do find it interesting that fans understand the OL stinks, but blame the qb in the same breath
Because Eli is hanging the OL and offense out to dry at other times. It's a symbiotic relationship; holding the ball too long, making an audible into a run play when the D has stacked the box - isn't doing the OL any favors either.
Further, have you spent some time watching OL play around the league lately? Nobody gets 4-5 seconds a play to pass on every passing down - not even Prescott, who has to rely on his mobility plenty to make plays when protection breaks down. That's what lead to his poor passing performance against Denver this past weekend.
Eli was a BIG reason we went into the tunnel losing at the half.
And I do think he's not been great in these 2 games. His pass to Engram was behind and it did absolutely lead to a momentum change.
And I do think he's not been great in these 2 games. His pass to Engram was behind and it did absolutely lead to a momentum change.
He's getting killed for checkdowns on 3rd and whatever.
He's been around far too long to take a couple of the drive killing sacks he took in the first half. The ball must be thrown away.
And I do think he's not been great in these 2 games. His pass to Engram was behind and it did absolutely lead to a momentum change.
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But he's also getting killed for checking down also. He's damned with whatever he does it seems.
And I do think he's not been great in these 2 games. His pass to Engram was behind and it did absolutely lead to a momentum change.
He's getting killed for checkdowns on 3rd and whatever.
He's been around far too long to take a couple of the drive killing sacks he took in the first half. The ball must be thrown away.
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But he's also getting killed for checking down also. He's damned with whatever he does it seems.
And I do think he's not been great in these 2 games. His pass to Engram was behind and it did absolutely lead to a momentum change.
That was on Engram. Lions were in a zone and the kid should have stopped between the two defenders in front him which is where the ball went. If Eli had led him, he would have thrown it right to the defender. Replay starts at the 1:10 mark - ( New Window )
So, your position is he shouldn't have thrown it in front of Engram, but he threw it behind him where Engram couldn't catch it.
Sounds about right.
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But he's also getting killed for checking down also. He's damned with whatever he does it seems.
And I do think he's not been great in these 2 games. His pass to Engram was behind and it did absolutely lead to a momentum change.
That was on Engram. Lions were in a zone and the kid should have stopped between the two defenders in front him which is where the ball went. If Eli had led him, he would have thrown it right to the defender. Replay starts at the 1:10 mark - ( New Window )
LOL...You're absolutely correct that would have most likely been a pick 6 also
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But he's also getting killed for checking down also. He's damned with whatever he does it seems.
And I do think he's not been great in these 2 games. His pass to Engram was behind and it did absolutely lead to a momentum change.
That was on Engram. Lions were in a zone and the kid should have stopped between the two defenders in front him which is where the ball went. If Eli had led him, he would have thrown it right to the defender. Replay starts at the 1:10 mark - ( New Window )
So, your position is he shouldn't have thrown it in front of Engram, but he threw it behind him where Engram couldn't catch it.
Sounds about right.
You need to honestly watch the replay he linked. He leads him that is right in the hands of the LB dropping back into coverage. Now you can critique him for not throwing it away but the pass was in the only spot possible to EE on that play
That was it.
I'm someone who has been open about thinking his clock is permanently busted, but people killing him for his pocket presence or trying to scapegoat him to cushion blame for the OL, especially Flowers, after this game is nuts.
Of course, I saw the play - and there was absolutely a play to be made, but it would have required an excellent throw. The good news is Eli can still make them, and did tonight. The bad news is they're still interspersed with poor throws and bad decisions, as has been the case for some time with Eli.
Watch the replays. He had less than 2.5 seconds on each of Ansah's sacks. Ansah really had his way with Flowers in the first half.
The Haloti Ngata sack 2 plays into the game... the ball has to come out of his hand or he has to take off running.
The Jarrad Davis sack on 1st & 10 fake reverse... the ball has to come out of his hand or he must throw it away.
Those were both preventable sacks and both killed 1st half drives.
So in this parallel universe, QBs don't hit receivers in stride, they expect players to slow down and arrive at a point simultaneous to the ball?
Sounds interesting - nothing like football the way it's played everywhere else.
Of course, I saw the play - and there was absolutely a play to be made, but it would have required an excellent throw. The good news is Eli can still make them, and did tonight. The bad news is they're still interspersed with poor throws and bad decisions, as has been the case for some time with Eli.
Throwing it behind him - where there's literally no chance of him catching it - because there was a defender up top implies Eli shouldn't have been throwing to him in the first place.
It was a bad throw - both BM and Eli admitted as much in their post game pressers.
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All Engram has to do is slow down a step to make that catch in stride.
So in this parallel universe, QBs don't hit receivers in stride, they expect players to slow down and arrive at a point simultaneous to the ball?
Sounds interesting - nothing like football the way it's played everywhere else.
Throwing it behind him - where there's literally no chance of him catching it - because there was a defender up top implies Eli shouldn't have been throwing to him in the first place.
It was a bad throw - both BM and Eli admitted as much in their post game pressers.
I completely agree. I don't see how that isn't on Eli. It was the play of the game IMO.
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All Engram has to do is slow down a step to make that catch in stride.
So in this parallel universe, QBs don't hit receivers in stride, they expect players to slow down and arrive at a point simultaneous to the ball?
Sounds interesting - nothing like football the way it's played everywhere else.
Yea because players just run full speed like a video game and never adjust to the ball.
The ball was thrown in the only spot it could be thrown. Really the only criticism I see on that play is maybe trying to hit him early before Davis recognizes the play and drops into the passing lane.
You're just being ridiculous. Eli has to throw between two LBs in a zone to a guy who runs a 4.4 across the defenders. The throw ending up being about a foot behind his hands in stride but still catchable.
Throwing it behind him - where there's literally no chance of him catching it - because there was a defender up top implies Eli shouldn't have been throwing to him in the first place.
It was a bad throw - both BM and Eli admitted as much in their post game pressers.
But I don't know how any QB in this league is going to succeed when they have no running game whatsoever, when they get poor pass protection.. when their receivers drop key balls.. it's an impossible situation.
Eli hung in there in the 2nd half and took some pretty serious hits. But he knows he can't do that all season - he'll never make it to the end.
There are just so many things wrong with this offense right now.. no one is blameless, but it's not fair to pin it all on Eli.
As for a soft zone - he would have had much more room to maneuver if that were the case.
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All Engram has to do is slow down a step to make that catch in stride.
So in this parallel universe, QBs don't hit receivers in stride, they expect players to slow down and arrive at a point simultaneous to the ball?
Sounds interesting - nothing like football the way it's played everywhere else.
Yes that is called sitting in the soft spot of the Zone. This what Witten excels at. Now an argument that the ball should have been thrown elsewhere might be able to be made but would have to wait until the Coach's Tape replay is on Direct T.V's NFL pkg
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in stride and he makes the catch. If he doesn't - it's on him.
Throwing it behind him - where there's literally no chance of him catching it - because there was a defender up top implies Eli shouldn't have been throwing to him in the first place.
It was a bad throw - both BM and Eli admitted as much in their post game pressers.
You can't on that play if you watch the replay. You have a LB dropping back completely in the spot that pass would be. There is no window there to lead him unless you have another 2 secs to let him clear pass that dropping LB which he didn't have
And then the complaint would be he holds the ball too long.
Fucking impossible situation for Eli
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I don't know what the fuck he was thinking there. The penalty was a blessing, as you said.
But I don't know how any QB in this league is going to succeed when they have no running game whatsoever, when they get poor pass protection.. when their receivers drop key balls.. it's an impossible situation.
Eli hung in there in the 2nd half and took some pretty serious hits. But he knows he can't do that all season - he'll never make it to the end.
There are just so many things wrong with this offense right now.. no one is blameless, but it's not fair to pin it all on Eli.
Save for a few wingnuts, nobody is running around suggesting this is all Eli's fault.
There are a lot of people running around and claiming that we can't expect Eli to perform at all because of the OL.
That's unfair and unrealistic. He left quite a few plays on the field today - coverage sacks where he held the ball too long, the INT, missed throws. He doesn't get a blank check to make these mistakes because of the OL - not at $20/M a year.
He's got to do better. That doesn't mean the OL doesn't have to improve, or the RBs don't have to play better, or that McAdoo's playcalling doesn't have to improve. All of these things have to happen for the O to shape up.
If we're going to sit here and pretend that Eli comes last on that list, and he's exonerated until we have everything else fixed, that's not reality. It doesn't work that way for anyone, let alone Eli.
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The entire offense is a fucking mess. Eli did a few things that hurt us... there was one sack in particular where he was barely touched and just fell to the ground. The throw behind Engram that led to a turnover literally one play after the defense forced one.. held the ball too long on a couple other plays.
But I don't know how any QB in this league is going to succeed when they have no running game whatsoever, when they get poor pass protection.. when their receivers drop key balls.. it's an impossible situation.
Eli hung in there in the 2nd half and took some pretty serious hits. But he knows he can't do that all season - he'll never make it to the end.
There are just so many things wrong with this offense right now.. no one is blameless, but it's not fair to pin it all on Eli.
Save for a few wingnuts, nobody is running around suggesting this is all Eli's fault.
There are a lot of people running around and claiming that we can't expect Eli to perform at all because of the OL.
That's unfair and unrealistic. He left quite a few plays on the field today - coverage sacks where he held the ball too long, the INT, missed throws. He doesn't get a blank check to make these mistakes because of the OL - not at $20/M a year.
He's got to do better. That doesn't mean the OL doesn't have to improve, or the RBs don't have to play better, or that McAdoo's playcalling doesn't have to improve. All of these things have to happen for the O to shape up.
If we're going to sit here and pretend that Eli comes last on that list, and he's exonerated until we have everything else fixed, that's not reality. It doesn't work that way for anyone, let alone Eli.
He's not blameless, I just don't know how any QB who isn't mobile is going to do much of anything in this situation.
He dropped that pass down the sideline right in Marshall's gut... Marshall has to catch that. That's a pivotal play. This offense isn't good enough to overcome mistakes like that.
I'd say a lot of QB's in this league make a few mistakes or bad plays in most given games - but good teams can make up for it. We don't look like a team that can overcome mistakes.
Marshall's drop was huge. His INT was worse - the worst possible time, just after a huge momentum boost for the team, after handing Stafford his ass and giving the D the opportunity for a breather. He turned around and made an ill advised throw - if there's no room to throw it there, *don't*.
He's making mistakes an average QB would make. Given what we pay him, and what the rest of our O looks like - we can't win with an average QB. He has to do better, even if that sounds unfair.