No matter if the problem is Eli or the line or both

defenses. I legitimately worry that Eli won't make it through the season.

with this line. They certainly can't continue like the last two weeks though.

They need to make some serious changes to the offensive playcalling, first and foremost. Then they need to shake up the OL a bit. They can fix this, but they won't if they don't start making some changes, can't keep doing the same things and expecting different results.

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defenses. I legitimately worry that Eli won't make it through the season.

Lets chalk this up to the pressure of 2 prime time games and a coach that has what seems to be a 3 play repertoire. Run left of center, run right of center and everybody go out for a pass. Looks like schoolyard football so far.

not recognize what Eli has been and is today. He is a pocket passer with some ability to move inside the pocket but he needs a decent offensive line to be effective.

Eli is not Rodgers where there is the threat of run or he can make plays by himself on a regular basis. Eli is a traditional NFL pocket passer and thus requires protection. If the Giants did not realize this, then who is the dummy here? It is the Giants, specifically Jerry Reese, who has saddled Eli with a lousy offensive line that actually started in 2011 and has continued unabated.

Give Eli decent protection and he will move the team and put up points. But he cannot perform under the current circumstances...I'm not sure, frankly, anyone could. This is an indictment of the entire front office and offensive coaching staff IMHO. They have failed and they put their faith in the wrong person(s)...namely Flowers and Hart.

eli got pounded in second half ..

Can not be effective with an inferior offensive line, and Reese needs top be fired along with McAdoo. Two fucking idiots.

the waffly pass he somehow got off to sheppard. that was serious

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defenses. I legitimately worry that Eli won't make it through the season.

I don't think he will. There have also of course been a lot of hits in addition to the sacks. Better defenses will destroy him.

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the waffly pass he somehow got off to sheppard. that was serious

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If Eli's skill players made plays we're talking about an entirely different game - maybe a win, or maybe we're just bitching about ST's today. Marshall's drop was brutal. Engram could have made that play near the end zone.

We've had bad OL's before. But the team's had good offenses because the WR's made plays.

There are 4 Lions linemen in the frame and not a single Giants O-lineman to be found.

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Eli is one tough SOB.
I hope people see that.

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Russell Wilson could QB behind this line. Manning simply can't.

Hindsight is 20/20 and 2 years ago I was all for a change. I couldn't say I supported Coughlin over Reese, but as a fan I wanted change. I wonder how or if things would be different if they kept Tom Coughlin and 'moved on' from Jerry Reese? What if they had blown the whole damn thing up? Just pondering. 0 and 2 sux.......

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Oh jeez, looking at it in isolation like that. Brutal!

Will have a hard time being successful. The Giants cannot run the ball.

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Quote: The waffly pass he somehow got off to sheppard. that was serious This one. Link - ( New Window ) Oh jeez, looking at it in isolation like that. Brutal!

Here's an even uglier angle:

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Gotta love those comments. What quarterback wouldn't be under the circumstances? We all know the answer isn't Tom Brady, the hands down best in the league.

In comment 13605909 That’s Gold, Jerry said:

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not recognize what Eli has been and is today. He is a pocket passer with some ability to move inside the pocket but he needs a decent offensive line to be effective. Eli is not Rodgers where there is the threat of run or he can make plays by himself on a regular basis. Eli is a traditional NFL pocket passer and thus requires protection. If the Giants did not realize this, then who is the dummy here? It is the Giants, specifically Jerry Reese, who has saddled Eli with a lousy offensive line that actually started in 2011 and has continued unabated. Give Eli decent protection and he will move the team and put up points. But he cannot perform under the current circumstances...I'm not sure, frankly, anyone could. This is an indictment of the entire front office and offensive coaching staff IMHO. They have failed and they put their faith in the wrong person(s)...namely Flowers and Hart.

You're not wrong about what he is today, but why can't you acknowledge that Eli is simply not the same quarterback he was two years ago? Nobody could perform under the current circumstances? Really, that is a crock! Put Stafford on the Giants last night, and they win that game. Eli is done. Face it, man.

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In comment 13605909 That’s Gold, Jerry said: Quote: not recognize what Eli has been and is today. He is a pocket passer with some ability to move inside the pocket but he needs a decent offensive line to be effective. Eli is not Rodgers where there is the threat of run or he can make plays by himself on a regular basis. Eli is a traditional NFL pocket passer and thus requires protection. If the Giants did not realize this, then who is the dummy here? It is the Giants, specifically Jerry Reese, who has saddled Eli with a lousy offensive line that actually started in 2011 and has continued unabated. Give Eli decent protection and he will move the team and put up points. But he cannot perform under the current circumstances...I'm not sure, frankly, anyone could. This is an indictment of the entire front office and offensive coaching staff IMHO. They have failed and they put their faith in the wrong person(s)...namely Flowers and Hart. You're not wrong about what he is today, but why can't you acknowledge that Eli is simply not the same quarterback he was two years ago? Nobody could perform under the current circumstances? Really, that is a crock! Put Stafford on the Giants last night, and they win that game. Eli is done. Face it, man.

Oh really? Matthew Stafford would have one last night getting sacked 5 times and pressured constantly?

How did Aaron Rodgers, Mr. All World incredible, do the other night when his O-line was performing poorly?

ignore what all the experts say about no quarterback being able to perform behind this O-line.

It's Eli. Yep.

He was under pressure constantly but it worked to his advantage, they ended up losing contain and he ran for large chunks at a time.

Same with Rodgers, and even he goes to hell when he's constantly got no time.

And yeah, can you call that a pocket?

thanks for the memories Eli.

In comment 13606419 Britt in VA said:

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In comment 13606412 Mark C said: Quote: In comment 13605909 That’s Gold, Jerry said: Quote: not recognize what Eli has been and is today. He is a pocket passer with some ability to move inside the pocket but he needs a decent offensive line to be effective. Eli is not Rodgers where there is the threat of run or he can make plays by himself on a regular basis. Eli is a traditional NFL pocket passer and thus requires protection. If the Giants did not realize this, then who is the dummy here? It is the Giants, specifically Jerry Reese, who has saddled Eli with a lousy offensive line that actually started in 2011 and has continued unabated. Give Eli decent protection and he will move the team and put up points. But he cannot perform under the current circumstances...I'm not sure, frankly, anyone could. This is an indictment of the entire front office and offensive coaching staff IMHO. They have failed and they put their faith in the wrong person(s)...namely Flowers and Hart. You're not wrong about what he is today, but why can't you acknowledge that Eli is simply not the same quarterback he was two years ago? Nobody could perform under the current circumstances? Really, that is a crock! Put Stafford on the Giants last night, and they win that game. Eli is done. Face it, man. Oh really? Matthew Stafford would have one last night getting sacked 5 times and pressured constantly? How did Aaron Rodgers, Mr. All World incredible, do the other night when his O-line was performing poorly?

Uh, Aaron Rodgers put up 23 points and gave his team a chance to win in the second half, that's how he did. And was his OL any more than marginally better than this one? Even marginally is debatable.

There's one huge difference between Rodgers and Eli, which simply wasn't the case for most of their careers: Eli is playing scared.

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Kill him for the INT and the delay of game (though it ultimately saved McAdoo from his own stupidity), even for taking a coverage sack when he was trying to make a play happen down field, but claiming that really isn't fair, given how he hung in there and took a couple truly brutal hits for nothing.