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Wednesday Media Transcript: WR Odell Beckham Jr.

Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/27/2017 4:11 pm
WR Odell Beckham Jr.

September 27, 2017

Q: What was your reaction to Giantsí President and CEO John Maraís comments?

A: We talked.

Q: Did you apologize to Giantsí President and CEO John Mara?

A: No. I said we talked. Mr. Mara and I talked.

Q: Going forward, what does that mean to us that you and Giantsí President and CEO John Mara talked?

A: He and I talked. We had a discussion Ė private discussion in his office. We talked about it Ė him and I.

Q: Do you feel like you embarrassed the organization?

A: More myself, I guess. Only thing is just causing the penalty for the team. Thatís really it. I donít even know if they knew to call the flag or not because the look of confusion on their face was, ĎDo we throw the flag or not?í And then, it was kind of just like, they threw the flag. So, only regret is causing us 15 yards, having to cover a long kickoff. Thankfully, we didnít have any setback from there. Covered the kickoff well.

Q: Will you choose a different form of celebration going forward?

A: (Nods head yes).

Q: Do you think you were out of line with your celebration?

A: I donít know. I donít think any of us know the rules on what you can do celebrating. They put in a new celebration thing to kind of make it seem as if players can celebrate and then you celebrate and you only have 40 seconds. So, if you celebrate for 20, you have 20 seconds to run on and kick (the extra point), so I donít really know. I donít really know how it works, but I do know going forward I have a lot better celebration.

Q: Was the celebration improvised?

A: Iím talking about Tampa now.

Q: Was your celebration a response to President Donald Trumpís comments?

A: I was just telling him, Iím talking about Tampa.

Q: How do you balance your passion for the game with showing respect?

A: I felt pretty good all year, pretty much all offseason. Until youíre 0-2, weíre down 14-0 in the fourth quarter and itís just, itís time. Itís time to win games. Itís time to make plays and I just like being a spark and some energy for this team and I know that that touchdown and the one after it put us in good position. But itís just the little thing of getting that penalty. Just canít do it. Just doesnít need to be done and thatís really the bottom line.

Q: What challenges do the Buccaneers defense present?

A: They have a good defense in my opinion. (Vernon) Hargreaves is a corner who Iíve been going against since college. Brent Grimes, I like. I think T.J. Ward just got over there and heís a hell raiser in my opinion Ė a guy you have to watch for and, I mean, up front, Iíve been to the Pro Bowl with (Gerald) McCoy. Iíve watched him. Iíve watched his film. Heís trouble. They have some real good linebackers over there. Iím not going to give Kwon (Alexander) because I went to school with him. Heís a phenomenal player. Him, Kendell Beckwith over there. These are guys who Iíve played with and know what theyíre capable of. They have a very talented group. Itís just time for us to get a win and really the biggest focus is on ourselves right now.

Q: How do you get points on the board earlier?

A: We were in the red zone five times, I think, and came away with two touchdowns and it was in the end. Itís just about scoring touchdowns. Thatís the bottom line. The game comes down to scoring touchdowns. Field goals arenít going to get it done. You can get down there five times, kick five field goals. Thatís 15 points. They score twice, theyíre down by one. Itís about touchdowns and thatís what we have to do.

Q: Does scoring a lot of points in the fourth quarter give you confidence going forward?

A: I donít know if it was the fourth quarter. I feel like we moved the ball all game up and down the field, just couldnít put it in the end zone. Like I said, itís just the bottom line is getting touchdowns.

Q: Are you a desperate football team?

A: I donít know what desperate means. Iíve never been desperate in my life. And I know that weíre not desperate, but we do need a win. Period. Now. And thatís the plan.

Q: Do you still believe in this club?

A: I wouldnít be here if I didnít believe in us. Itís just a matter of putting everything together, finishing drives. All the little things. Details, details, details, winning.

Q: Is receiving yards an area you feel that you can capitalize on against the Buccaneers?

A: I mean, our defense gave up a lot of running yards and it usually doesnít happen. So, I donít know if itís a one-time thing, if theyíre susceptible to giving up passing yards or what, but I know theyíre a good defense and I know that they just lost last week. Correct. So, theyíre going to come out with some intensity, fired up. Theyíre at home. Theyíre going to come out to get a win. So, we just have to play our best football.

Q: What did you intend with the celebration?

A: Iím really focused on Tampa.

Q: Do you want to clarify your celebration any more?

A: No. We can just move to Tampa because thatís the only thing thatís important right now.

Q: Youíre not on the injury report this week. Does that mean youíre fine?

A: Iíve been playing the past two weeks, so Iím alright.

Q: Did you feel your performance last week is an indication that youíre fine?

A: Just getting better. Have rehab today. Doctor comes in tomorrow, Friday. Itís just the same thing over and over again. So, until that tape comes off my ankle, itís the only way Iíll be able to tell you Iím fine, Iím 100%.

Q: Did you talk about your contract with Giantsí President and CEO John Mara during your meeting?

A: I donít know if that has to do with Tampa, really.
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Is there something mentally wrong here?  
Sal in Jersey : 9/27/2017 4:17 pm : link
Is it the way he was raised? Is it the millenial mindset? Is it really the organization that created this monster? I picture his conversation with Mara being extremely one sided, with Beckham scrolling through his IG the whole time, figuring out he can grab himself some more likes on his next post with a sick catch and a cheesy rap lyric. He just doesn't get it.
I know this might seem a bit out there but,  
Brown Recluse : 9/27/2017 4:18 pm : link
if you don't know the celebration rules...err on the side of caution and do nothing.

Celebrations are really awesome though. They're like, my favorite part of football.
This team is 0-3 and our best player  
Chris684 : 9/27/2017 4:19 pm : link
is concerned about celebration rules.

Focus on eliminating some of those nagging drops maybe.

Odell, just give it a break for awhile. Score a bunch of TDs and lay low.
RE: This team is 0-3 and our best player  
Sal in Jersey : 9/27/2017 4:21 pm : link
In comment 13621050 Chris684 said:
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is concerned about celebration rules.

Focus on eliminating some of those nagging drops maybe.

Odell, just give it a break for awhile. Score a bunch of TDs and lay low.


It seems so simple, doesn't it. Dominate the NFL, act like a pro. I just don't get what mental block this guy can't get past....
Unless you are just biased  
hitdog42 : 9/27/2017 4:33 pm : link
There is Zero in the interview that should make someone frustrated.
He said he talked to the owner and it's between them. He said he is focused on Tampa and winning. He said he will adapt his celebration.

Omg what a jerkoff....
he's responding to questions you know  
mattlawson : 9/27/2017 4:34 pm : link
right?
Who was the genius who tried to get him to....  
Crispino : 9/27/2017 4:38 pm : link
say that his jackassery was some kind of anti Trump protest?

God, Odell truly doesn't get it. He's going to do whatever dumb shit he wants and the rest of the world had better like it. It seems he has a truly juvenile worldview.
You know...  
Sal in Jersey : 9/27/2017 4:38 pm : link
We've more or less heard these same responses a thousand times, and nothing ever changes? You're kidding yourself if you think this guy puts the NYFBG above all else, including his celebrity and brand. Some accountability and LEGITIMATE remorse would be nice every now and then.....
RE: Unless you are just biased  
Bill L : 9/27/2017 4:39 pm : link
In comment 13621068 hitdog42 said:
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There is Zero in the interview that should make someone frustrated.
He said he talked to the owner and it's between them. He said he is focused on Tampa and winning. He said he will adapt his celebration.

Omg what a jerkoff....
Thank you. +1
He will work on his celebrations?  
Chris684 : 9/27/2017 4:41 pm : link
Ok great! Perfect!

That should be very high on the list of things concerning this team right now.

Like I said, how about eliminating drops? Perfecting his game?

I forgot Beckham is now Jerry Rice, Jim Brown and LT all rolled into one. Truly the perfect player. Hopefully the Buc have the red carpet laid out for his arrival on Sunday.
RE: He will work on his celebrations?  
hitdog42 : 9/27/2017 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13621084 Chris684 said:
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Ok great! Perfect!

That should be very high on the list of things concerning this team right now.

Like I said, how about eliminating drops? Perfecting his game?

I forgot Beckham is now Jerry Rice, Jim Brown and LT all rolled into one. Truly the perfect player. Hopefully the Buc have the red carpet laid out for his arrival on Sunday.


Based on anecdotes- he works at his craft as hard or harder than anyone- but why care about that when you can embrace needless hysteria
If he worked harder than anyone,  
Go Terps : 9/27/2017 4:45 pm : link
he would actually try to run block.
RE: RE: He will work on his celebrations?  
Sal in Jersey : 9/27/2017 4:47 pm : link
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Ok great! Perfect!

That should be very high on the list of things concerning this team right now.

Like I said, how about eliminating drops? Perfecting his game?

I forgot Beckham is now Jerry Rice, Jim Brown and LT all rolled into one. Truly the perfect player. Hopefully the Buc have the red carpet laid out for his arrival on Sunday.



Based on anecdotes- he works at his craft as hard or harder than anyone- but why care about that when you can embrace needless hysteria


It's not needless hysteria. It's a pattern of repeated behavior that consistently shows he does not care if his self promotion hurts the football team or not. Christ, he more or less said so in the post game interview.
RE: He will work on his celebrations?  
UConn4523 : 9/27/2017 4:56 pm : link
In comment 13621084 Chris684 said:
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Ok great! Perfect!

That should be very high on the list of things concerning this team right now.

Like I said, how about eliminating drops? Perfecting his game?

I forgot Beckham is now Jerry Rice, Jim Brown and LT all rolled into one. Truly the perfect player. Hopefully the Buc have the red carpet laid out for his arrival on Sunday.


Stop listening/reading interviews if you are going to just cherry pick the answers to questions. He's rehabbing his knee, working on catching drills, working on route running, etc what does this interview have to do with any of that? And I guarantee if he said what you wanted him to say you still wouldn't be satisfied.

I have no idea why people put so much stock in player interviews.
RE: You know...  
nygiants16 : 9/27/2017 4:57 pm : link
In comment 13621078 Sal in Jersey said:
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We've more or less heard these same responses a thousand times, and nothing ever changes? You're kidding yourself if you think this guy puts the NYFBG above all else, including his celebrity and brand. Some accountability and LEGITIMATE remorse would be nice every now and then.....


if this were true he would of held out like donald did, after he got hurt he would of not played until he is 100%...

RE: RE: RE: He will work on his celebrations?  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/27/2017 4:57 pm : link
In comment 13621095 Sal in Jersey said:
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It's not needless hysteria. It's a pattern of repeated behavior that consistently shows he does not care if his self promotion hurts the football team or not. Christ, he more or less said so in the post game interview.


Sal I think you must be confused -- it's what you said above that is needless hysteria
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UConn4523 : 9/27/2017 4:58 pm : link
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Ok great! Perfect!

That should be very high on the list of things concerning this team right now.

Like I said, how about eliminating drops? Perfecting his game?

I forgot Beckham is now Jerry Rice, Jim Brown and LT all rolled into one. Truly the perfect player. Hopefully the Buc have the red carpet laid out for his arrival on Sunday.



Based on anecdotes- he works at his craft as hard or harder than anyone- but why care about that when you can embrace needless hysteria



It's not needless hysteria. It's a pattern of repeated behavior that consistently shows he does not care if his self promotion hurts the football team or not. Christ, he more or less said so in the post game interview.


Pugh was on Francesca yesterday and was asked about the post game comments. He basically said if they interviewed him right after that loss he would have said a lot of stuff that he would wish he can take back.

This isnt exclusive to Beckham, players say dumb shit all the time.
by all accounts beckham is one of the hardest workers on the team  
nygiants16 : 9/27/2017 5:00 pm : link
he was going through basically 24 hour rehab to play, does that sound like a player who doesnt care about the giants?
You know what I think it's really going to take?  
Sal in Jersey : 9/27/2017 5:06 pm : link
His 15 yarder for taking his helmet off after his amazing touchdown to take the lead against Baltimore last year did not hurt us in the end, but it ABSOLUTELY could've cost us the game. The penalty against the Jets where he kicked the football did not hurt us....he made up for it on the very next play. The penalty in Philly on Sunday was a footnote, as Collins may it a moot point with the ensuing forced fumble, but again, we can't guarantee that his buffoonery won't hurt us at some point down the road. When that day finally comes, when the day he does something dumb or stupid enough that costs the team a victory, will it still be looked upon as "needless hysteria"???
For the record...  
Sal in Jersey : 9/27/2017 5:09 pm : link
I am not denying how hard he works, or how much time he dedicates to his craft. After all, sheer God given ability isn't enough to make him the "highest paid player in football" as he so bluntly stated. And he knows that. All I ask is what is so difficult about going out there and playing football, conducting yourself as a pro, and not do anything on or off the field that would put the team in a bad way.
RE: For the record...  
nygiants16 : 9/27/2017 5:11 pm : link
In comment 13621139 Sal in Jersey said:
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I am not denying how hard he works, or how much time he dedicates to his craft. After all, sheer God given ability isn't enough to make him the "highest paid player in football" as he so bluntly stated. And he knows that. All I ask is what is so difficult about going out there and playing football, conducting yourself as a pro, and not do anything on or off the field that would put the team in a bad way.


simple question, are you an LT fan?
This whole thing is somehow dumber than boat gate.  
Devon : 9/27/2017 5:12 pm : link
Impressive, I suppose.
RE: RE: For the record...  
Sal in Jersey : 9/27/2017 5:14 pm : link
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I am not denying how hard he works, or how much time he dedicates to his craft. After all, sheer God given ability isn't enough to make him the "highest paid player in football" as he so bluntly stated. And he knows that. All I ask is what is so difficult about going out there and playing football, conducting yourself as a pro, and not do anything on or off the field that would put the team in a bad way.



simple question, are you an LT fan?


Of course I am. I am a life long Giants fan. And if you were too, you would know that Taylor never, ever did ANYTHING on the field that would put his team in a bad position. Short of freelancing and going against Parcells scheme and destroying the opposing QB anyway, that was it. I would never compare Beckham to Taylor as people off the field.
RE: For the record...  
UConn4523 : 9/27/2017 5:14 pm : link
In comment 13621139 Sal in Jersey said:
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I am not denying how hard he works, or how much time he dedicates to his craft. After all, sheer God given ability isn't enough to make him the "highest paid player in football" as he so bluntly stated. And he knows that. All I ask is what is so difficult about going out there and playing football, conducting yourself as a pro, and not do anything on or off the field that would put the team in a bad way.


I never put myself in an athletes shoes, it's pointless. Beckham isn't the first and certainly won't be the last player to be immature. Most learn as they go, see Moss if you don't believe (and his problems were way worse).

Today's game isn't just about football. The sooner fans realize that and learn to accept it, the more you will enjoy what you are watching. And that doesn't mean he doesn't care, it means he cares about other things too.

He needs to clean it up, what more is there to say?
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nygiants16 : 9/27/2017 5:15 pm : link
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I am not denying how hard he works, or how much time he dedicates to his craft. After all, sheer God given ability isn't enough to make him the "highest paid player in football" as he so bluntly stated. And he knows that. All I ask is what is so difficult about going out there and playing football, conducting yourself as a pro, and not do anything on or off the field that would put the team in a bad way.



simple question, are you an LT fan?



Of course I am. I am a life long Giants fan. And if you were too, you would know that Taylor never, ever did ANYTHING on the field that would put his team in a bad position. Short of freelancing and going against Parcells scheme and destroying the opposing QB anyway, that was it. I would never compare Beckham to Taylor as people off the field.


so doing coke during the week never hurt lt?

how about his drug suspension? didnt hurt the giants?
the sad part is  
nygiants16 : 9/27/2017 5:18 pm : link
LT admitted he didnt work hard on his game and he was still one of the greatest players ever...

beckham by all accounts works his ass off but because he dances giants fans cant stand him...

maybe he should start doing drugs and raping women and as long as he stops dancing everyone will love him
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Sal in Jersey : 9/27/2017 5:18 pm : link
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I am not denying how hard he works, or how much time he dedicates to his craft. After all, sheer God given ability isn't enough to make him the "highest paid player in football" as he so bluntly stated. And he knows that. All I ask is what is so difficult about going out there and playing football, conducting yourself as a pro, and not do anything on or off the field that would put the team in a bad way.



simple question, are you an LT fan?



Of course I am. I am a life long Giants fan. And if you were too, you would know that Taylor never, ever did ANYTHING on the field that would put his team in a bad position. Short of freelancing and going against Parcells scheme and destroying the opposing QB anyway, that was it. I would never compare Beckham to Taylor as people off the field.



so doing coke during the week never hurt lt?

how about his drug suspension? didnt hurt the giants?


So obviously the "on the field" and "off the field" part has blurred lines apparently. Taylor bought game changing play week in and week out, in spite of his off field problems. No one in their right mind would ever deny that.
RE: You know what I think it's really going to take?  
eclipz928 : 9/27/2017 5:21 pm : link
In comment 13621134 Sal in Jersey said:
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His 15 yarder for taking his helmet off after his amazing touchdown to take the lead against Baltimore last year did not hurt us in the end, but it ABSOLUTELY could've cost us the game. The penalty against the Jets where he kicked the football did not hurt us....he made up for it on the very next play. The penalty in Philly on Sunday was a footnote, as Collins may it a moot point with the ensuing forced fumble, but again, we can't guarantee that his buffoonery won't hurt us at some point down the road. When that day finally comes, when the day he does something dumb or stupid enough that costs the team a victory, will it still be looked upon as "needless hysteria"???



Yes.
and beckham doesnt bring game changing pkays?  
nygiants16 : 9/27/2017 5:21 pm : link
so you are willing to overlook drugs and raping women but dancing after scoring a td is over the line?
RE: and beckham doesnt bring game changing pkays?  
Sal in Jersey : 9/27/2017 5:24 pm : link
In comment 13621156 nygiants16 said:
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so you are willing to overlook drugs and raping women but dancing after scoring a td is over the line?


Who said I overlooked it? It's a stupid comparison. Of course, LT was a bad guy off the field, you are comparing apples to watermelons. That makes absolutely no sense to even drag Taylor into this argument.
RE: RE: You know what I think it's really going to take?  
Sal in Jersey : 9/27/2017 5:25 pm : link
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His 15 yarder for taking his helmet off after his amazing touchdown to take the lead against Baltimore last year did not hurt us in the end, but it ABSOLUTELY could've cost us the game. The penalty against the Jets where he kicked the football did not hurt us....he made up for it on the very next play. The penalty in Philly on Sunday was a footnote, as Collins may it a moot point with the ensuing forced fumble, but again, we can't guarantee that his buffoonery won't hurt us at some point down the road. When that day finally comes, when the day he does something dumb or stupid enough that costs the team a victory, will it still be looked upon as "needless hysteria"???




Yes.


To each his own then. I'll be interested to see the reaction when that day truly comes.
RE: RE: and beckham doesnt bring game changing pkays?  
nygiants16 : 9/27/2017 5:28 pm : link
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so you are willing to overlook drugs and raping women but dancing after scoring a td is over the line?



Who said I overlooked it? It's a stupid comparison. Of course, LT was a bad guy off the field, you are comparing apples to watermelons. That makes absolutely no sense to even drag Taylor into this argument.


no it shows you are hypocrite, you absolutely hate beckham and want to get rid of him because you do t like his dancing...

but LT you love even though he is one of the biggest pieces of shit on the planet....

would you ever get rid of LT? of course not, so why would you want to get rid of Beckham?
LT  
UConn4523 : 9/27/2017 5:29 pm : link
would be a shitshow in today's NFL. I have no idea why he's brought up in Beckham threads.
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Sal in Jersey : 9/27/2017 5:31 pm : link
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so you are willing to overlook drugs and raping women but dancing after scoring a td is over the line?



Who said I overlooked it? It's a stupid comparison. Of course, LT was a bad guy off the field, you are comparing apples to watermelons. That makes absolutely no sense to even drag Taylor into this argument.



no it shows you are hypocrite, you absolutely hate beckham and want to get rid of him because you do t like his dancing...

but LT you love even though he is one of the biggest pieces of shit on the planet....

would you ever get rid of LT? of course not, so why would you want to get rid of Beckham?


When did I say ďget rid of himĒ.....please....if you can find that anywhere, please, do share. All I ask is A. Donít act like a clown B. Donít do anything that would jeopardize the team winning a game C. Have someone in the organization actually hold him accountable....
RE: LT  
nygiants16 : 9/27/2017 5:31 pm : link
In comment 13621161 UConn4523 said:
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would be a shitshow in today's NFL. I have no idea why he's brought up in Beckham threads.


i brough him up to show how much of hypocrite sal is
RE: Who was the genius who tried to get him to....  
Deej : 9/27/2017 5:33 pm : link
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say that his jackassery was some kind of anti Trump protest?

God, Odell truly doesn't get it. He's going to do whatever dumb shit he wants and the rest of the world had better like it. It seems he has a truly juvenile worldview.


Yeah, that's what stuck out to me. "Did you pretend to pee in the Eagles endzone because of Trump? Or because Tibet isnt free? Both?"
RE: RE: RE: RE: and beckham doesnt bring game changing pkays?  
nygiants16 : 9/27/2017 5:36 pm : link
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so you are willing to overlook drugs and raping women but dancing after scoring a td is over the line?



Who said I overlooked it? It's a stupid comparison. Of course, LT was a bad guy off the field, you are comparing apples to watermelons. That makes absolutely no sense to even drag Taylor into this argument.



no it shows you are hypocrite, you absolutely hate beckham and want to get rid of him because you do t like his dancing...

but LT you love even though he is one of the biggest pieces of shit on the planet....

would you ever get rid of LT? of course not, so why would you want to get rid of Beckham?



When did I say ďget rid of himĒ.....please....if you can find that anywhere, please, do share. All I ask is A. Donít act like a clown B. Donít do anything that would jeopardize the team winning a game C. Have someone in the organization actually hold him accountable....


maybe i am confusing you with someone else, i thought you said in the other thread you wanted him gone
RE: RE: RE: You know what I think it's really going to take?  
eclipz928 : 9/27/2017 5:46 pm : link
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His 15 yarder for taking his helmet off after his amazing touchdown to take the lead against Baltimore last year did not hurt us in the end, but it ABSOLUTELY could've cost us the game. The penalty against the Jets where he kicked the football did not hurt us....he made up for it on the very next play. The penalty in Philly on Sunday was a footnote, as Collins may it a moot point with the ensuing forced fumble, but again, we can't guarantee that his buffoonery won't hurt us at some point down the road. When that day finally comes, when the day he does something dumb or stupid enough that costs the team a victory, will it still be looked upon as "needless hysteria"???




Yes.



To each his own then. I'll be interested to see the reaction when that day truly comes.

The "reaction", at least from the standpoint of the Giants organization, is pretty much determined already. The fact that Mara felt the need to get involved personally is an indication that there is now zero tolerance of any nonsense from him.

If Beckham gets flagged for doing something inappropriate after a TD he will be benched, if not worse. I guarantee that.

And perhaps you may not agree with this, but I think Beckham is smart enough, and responsible enough, to know not to make the same mistake again. There's nothing that I've seen from him so far that leads me to doubt that he is someone that is committed to the team and will do what is expected of him.
Wow...  
Dan in the Springs : 9/27/2017 6:02 pm : link
Can't believe the OBJ hate among Giants fans. This guy literally is the savior of this team's hopes and chances. Single-handedly he alters every team's game plans against us and gives us a chance to win.

He works as hard as anyone. He cares as much as anyone. He tries his best and comes up short less than most WR in the entire league.

He literally should be every Giants fan's favorite current player for how he impacts the game. Top 3 favorite player at worst.

The NFL has a stupid rule about celebrations. It's stupid because it's unclear. OBJ points out that the refs looked at each other with uncertainty about throwing the flag for a moment when he was celebrating. I know watching live at home I instantly was worried he would be penalized, but it took some time for the officials to determine it was a penalty. We had a full conversation about why I was worried before the flag was announced.

It's not clear cut. He didn't do something that was obviously against the rules. He did something that arguably was against the rules, and yes, it cost us 15 yards.

For that, we want to crucify him? Suddenly, out of all the freaking disasters who are currently putting on the Giants uniform, OBJ is the bad guy? I've seen people who want Jones to stay in the lineup at OG. What about his ten yard penalty at the goal line? Did that cost the team? What about Eli's delay of game? It cost the team - should he be replaced?

What's wrong with this scenario?
RE: RE: RE: RE: You know what I think it's really going to take?  
Sal in Jersey : 9/27/2017 6:07 pm : link
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His 15 yarder for taking his helmet off after his amazing touchdown to take the lead against Baltimore last year did not hurt us in the end, but it ABSOLUTELY could've cost us the game. The penalty against the Jets where he kicked the football did not hurt us....he made up for it on the very next play. The penalty in Philly on Sunday was a footnote, as Collins may it a moot point with the ensuing forced fumble, but again, we can't guarantee that his buffoonery won't hurt us at some point down the road. When that day finally comes, when the day he does something dumb or stupid enough that costs the team a victory, will it still be looked upon as "needless hysteria"???




Yes.



To each his own then. I'll be interested to see the reaction when that day truly comes.


The "reaction", at least from the standpoint of the Giants organization, is pretty much determined already. The fact that Mara felt the need to get involved personally is an indication that there is now zero tolerance of any nonsense from him.

If Beckham gets flagged for doing something inappropriate after a TD he will be benched, if not worse. I guarantee that.

And perhaps you may not agree with this, but I think Beckham is smart enough, and responsible enough, to know not to make the same mistake again. There's nothing that I've seen from him so far that leads me to doubt that he is someone that is committed to the team and will do what is expected of him.


I was referring more towards the reaction of the fans, and specifically the ones that think his antics are no big deal. I will remain skeptical of the Giants organization disciplining him until I legitmately see consistent, repeated professionalism on his behalf. I will ALWAYS remain skeptical about a guy who is ďsmart enoughĒ to apparently come up with preconceived, choreographed touchdown celebrations, then decide the act of pissing like a dog should be the first one in line over a sociopolitical message....
RE: Unless you are just biased  
Larry in Pencilvania : 9/27/2017 6:13 pm : link
In comment 13621068 hitdog42 said:
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There is Zero in the interview that should make someone frustrated.
He said he talked to the owner and it's between them. He said he is focused on Tampa and winning. He said he will adapt his celebration.

Omg what a jerkoff....


This. ..he wants to move on and discuss the next opponent what's the problem
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: You know what I think it's really going to take?  
Dan in the Springs : 9/27/2017 6:16 pm : link
In comment 13621206 Sal in Jersey said:
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I will remain skeptical of the Giants organization disciplining him until I legitmately see consistent, repeated professionalism on his behalf.


Sal, you do realize that professionalism is subjective, right? You may define it one way, but what matters most is how the NFL defines it. If the NFL wanted to ban celebrations so that the players acted "professional" and required the players to hand the ball to the official, they could easily make that rule and I'm pretty sure OBJ could follow that rule.

The NFL is okay with certain celebrations. They hype and market star players by showing those celebrations over and over. It's not unprofessional for players to celebrate in the end zone because their employer, the NFL, is encouraging and profiting off it.

The problem is they've not defined clearly enough what is and isn't okay.

Either way, to complain about this interview is over the top. The guy is literally trying to move on to the next game and we've got upset fans that he doesn't "get it"? The most professional thing he could do in this moment is try to focus on the next opponent, which he is clearly trying to do. He answered a few questions regarding the celebration, then clearly stated that he was going to talk about the future.

The guy is acting like a professional football player throughout the entire press conference, demonstrating the right focus and mentality.
Now we are drawing parallels  
Chris684 : 9/27/2017 6:20 pm : link
between Beckham acting like a jerkoff and Eli throwing a pick or taking a delay of game penalty?

There is a difference between a mistake and willingly and knowingly putting your actions above the team.

McAdoo's presser today talks about the difference between "combative penalties" that take place between the whistle while you are trying to make a play and pre and post snap foolishness that gets the whole team penalized.

So far in this argument the hyper sensitive Beckham crowd has demanded that the rest of us not read interview transcripts and told us how Beckham should be our favorite player. Anything else?

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: You know what I think it's really going to take?  
Sal in Jersey : 9/27/2017 6:25 pm : link
In comment 13621216 Dan in the Springs said:
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In comment 13621206 Sal in Jersey said:


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I will remain skeptical of the Giants organization disciplining him until I legitmately see consistent, repeated professionalism on his behalf.



Sal, you do realize that professionalism is subjective, right? You may define it one way, but what matters most is how the NFL defines it. If the NFL wanted to ban celebrations so that the players acted "professional" and required the players to hand the ball to the official, they could easily make that rule and I'm pretty sure OBJ could follow that rule.

The NFL is okay with certain celebrations. They hype and market star players by showing those celebrations over and over. It's not unprofessional for players to celebrate in the end zone because their employer, the NFL, is encouraging and profiting off it.

The problem is they've not defined clearly enough what is and isn't okay.

Either way, to complain about this interview is over the top. The guy is literally trying to move on to the next game and we've got upset fans that he doesn't "get it"? The most professional thing he could do in this moment is try to focus on the next opponent, which he is clearly trying to do. He answered a few questions regarding the celebration, then clearly stated that he was going to talk about the future.

The guy is acting like a professional football player throughout the entire press conference, demonstrating the right focus and mentality.


You know what a great, tried and true way to talk about the upcoming opponent is on a Wednesday? Donít do anything dumb to draw attention to yourself the Sunday before. The fact that people are actually defending the blurred lines in the celebration rules is pretty mind boggling....
Some of you need to realize it's not 1966 or 1986  
Larry in Pencilvania : 9/27/2017 6:26 pm : link
Players are under scrutiny for every action 24/7 365. They make millions and have endorsements. These aren't guys who have to paint houses to make ends meet or can can raise hell with no one knowing. LT was a piece of crap and there were many just like him in his era, but there was no social media to give you instant information.

Beckham is the least of the Giants worries
LT has nothing to do with this argument  
Chris684 : 9/27/2017 6:34 pm : link
NOTHING.

Of course it's not 1986, who thinks it is?

There are 53 men on this roster and dozens more over the last 3 seasons, yet only one name constantly makes headlines for acting like an idiot. Hard to believe but apparently the modern day athlete CAN control his actions, some choose not to.

The funny thing about this argument is just 2 days ago Beckham told anyone who will listen that he does what he wants consequences be damned. If you can get behind that as a fan of the team, go ahead I guess.
RE: LT has nothing to do with this argument  
Dan in the Springs : 9/27/2017 6:42 pm : link
In comment 13621234 Chris684 said:
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NOTHING.

Of course it's not 1986, who thinks it is?

There are 53 men on this roster and dozens more over the last 3 seasons, yet only one name constantly makes headlines for acting like an idiot. Hard to believe but apparently the modern day athlete CAN control his actions, some choose not to.

The funny thing about this argument is just 2 days ago Beckham told anyone who will listen that he does what he wants consequences be damned. If you can get behind that as a fan of the team, go ahead I guess.


I didn't say anything about Beckham following those comments.

I've come to his defense on this thread because this thread was about his press conference today. He handled it like a professional should.

You want to kill him for what he did on Sunday, go to the post-game thread and do it, or go to any of the TONS of threads about it since. Why criticize him on this thread for the approach he took in this interview? He's on the right page now - can we get behind him and support him or not?

Is his "sin" committed on Sunday so unforgivable that we can't root for him now? Does defending his approach TODAY make one hyper-sensitive?
RE: Now we are drawing parallels  
eclipz928 : 9/27/2017 6:52 pm : link
In comment 13621220 Chris684 said:
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between Beckham acting like a jerkoff and Eli throwing a pick or taking a delay of game penalty?

There is a difference between a mistake and willingly and knowingly putting your actions above the team.

McAdoo's presser today talks about the difference between "combative penalties" that take place between the whistle while you are trying to make a play and pre and post snap foolishness that gets the whole team penalized.

So far in this argument the hyper sensitive Beckham crowd has demanded that the rest of us not read interview transcripts and told us how Beckham should be our favorite player. Anything else?

"Hyper sensitive Beckham crowd" - are you referring to the people who are rationalizing that what he contributes to the Giants outweighs the annoyances caused by his TD celebrations,

. . . or are you referring to the people who thinks the best wide receiver in the NFL should be traded because he caused his team to kickoff from the 20?
Amazing  
CT Charlie : 9/27/2017 6:56 pm : link
that he's actually made me feel better about the whole proposing-to-the-kicking-net thing. At least that didn't cost us 15 yards.
RE: Now we are drawing parallels  
UConn4523 : 9/27/2017 6:59 pm : link
In comment 13621220 Chris684 said:
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between Beckham acting like a jerkoff and Eli throwing a pick or taking a delay of game penalty?

There is a difference between a mistake and willingly and knowingly putting your actions above the team.

McAdoo's presser today talks about the difference between "combative penalties" that take place between the whistle while you are trying to make a play and pre and post snap foolishness that gets the whole team penalized.

So far in this argument the hyper sensitive Beckham crowd has demanded that the rest of us not read interview transcripts and told us how Beckham should be our favorite player. Anything else?


You should probably stop reading interviews, I'd hate to see your reaction to something that's actually inflammatory.
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