Tom Rock& #8207;Verified account @TomRock_Newsday 13m13 minutes ago
Shaun O'Hara on NYG line on @SiriusXMNFL this a.m.: "You’re going to struggle each & every week if your fundamentals are that poor. Every time I turn on film it’s just little technique stuff. If I was the oline coach those guys wouldn’t leave the field until we got it right.”
Tom Rock& #8207;Verified account @TomRock_Newsday 12m12 minutes ago
Shaun O'Hara on Ereck Flowers on @SiriusXMNFL this morning: "Our standard is so low it’s like, ‘Oh, you know, it wasn’t that bad. He didn’t ruin the game.’ I mean, he’s gotten better in pass protection but his run game footwork and effort is awful.”
Tom Rock& #8207;Verified account @TomRock_Newsday 11m11 minutes ago
More Shaun O'Hara on @SiriusXMNFL: "The one thing that just leaves you scratching your head is the simple aspects of the game. Combination blocks are things that Dave [Diehl] and I were working on in high school ...
Tom Rock& #8207;Verified account @TomRock_Newsday 11m11 minutes ago
Replying to @TomRock_Newsday @SiriusXMNFL
... If you’re doing a combination block with your guard or with your tackle you shouldn’t be tripping on each other, you shouldn’t be getting split by a d tackle. And we all watched the game and the first two snaps of the game they lose eight yards on two running plays.”
They were wrong, but the thinking was he was a young player who would benefit from NFL coaching and use his physical talents to become a good tackle. Initially, the plan was supposed to be for him to play RT, but with Beatty getting hurt that pushed him right in line for LT, which probably just exacerbated the issue.
Some of you just exposed yourself as completely clueless.
O'Hara was a good C, not a great one.
this place always amazes me
Funny thing about O'Hara, which seems to be getting overlooked here, is that he wasn't very good before getting to the Giants. He was several years into his career and the team that found him as a UDFA did not care to have him back. The Browns. He wasn't good enough to stick with the Browns.
There is no comparison right now.
Saying he's not much better than Richburg is a slap in the face to a great Giant.
The more I think about it, the more absurd the comparison gets.
Awesome logic
Or is your impression of Richburg that he's some kind of turnstile?
Here's the thing - even if O'Hara wasn't a great center, that doesn't change his ability as an analyst.
But that doesn't mean he wasn't good.
Or is your impression of Richburg that he's some kind of turnstile?
Here's the thing - even if O'Hara wasn't a great center, that doesn't change his ability as an analyst.
Multiple posters above are beating the drum that O'Hara can't talk because he was worse than Richburg...
You guys like to look back on the past fondly - we had a very good offense, but the offensive line was good at best. And in 2011 that championship run almost always comes with the caveat of '...with a lousy offensive line'.
When we put up 200 rushing yards on a Ravens defense that didn't let anybody break 100 yards all season?
Where we had 2 1000 yard rushers in a single season, which has only been done 6 times?
Our leading rusher this year is on pace for 224 yards.... FOR THE SEASON.
If they were, why didn't we survive the loss of Plaxico?
Why were we talking about a 'skittish' Eli in 2007?
Our leading rusher this year is on pace for 224 yards.... FOR THE SEASON.
Here's something nobody's going to understand, but we'll try - maybe it's because Tiki was a much, much better back than anyone we have on the squad today?
2005: 6th
2006: 7th
2007: 4th
2008: 1st
2009: 17th
2010: 6th
Then why are you here defending it?
Quote:
on this thread who dismissed O'Hara for his play. And the quality of that post should have made anyone who read it just skip to the next one anyway.
Then why are you here defending it?
Because you people lost your fucking minds and went on the attack for something that never happened?
So by your posts, the best line in the league is defined by rushing yards? We'll neglect talent at the RB spot, since apparently these guys are all a function of their offensive lines.
Seems like with a franchise QB, a good D, and a dominant offensive line we should have been winning with regularity over that period, doesn't it?
Secondly, I didn't call the O-line during those years "good at best". You agreed with the poster that said O'hara got pushed around the same as Richberg and then told everybody that the line was a lot worse than anybody remembered. So while you're trying to heap this on one poster, you're defending that post as if it's right, and adding to that narrative.
So what am I missing?
Secondly, I didn't call the O-line during those years "good at best". You agreed with the poster that said O'hara got pushed around the same as Richberg and then told everybody that the line was a lot worse than anybody remembered. So while you're trying to heap this on one poster, you're defending that post as if it's right, and adding to that narrative.
So what am I missing?
You're missing the part where you guys got up in arms that anyone was trying to discredit O'Hara's opinion, which was the crux of the entire argument.
Whether O'Hara was a good, great or lousy C, he's a good analyst, and he's entitled to his opinion. He's certainly not unbiased, though. He's heaped a ton of shit on this current OL, questioning their toughness and work ethic. Hard to say whether this is a fair analysis based on something he knows from the inside, or whether he's defending his QB.
2005: 11-5 Playoffs
2006: 8-8 Playoffs
2007: 10-6 Superbowl Champions
2008: 12-4 Playoffs
2009: 8-8
2010: 10-6
59-37 over that stretch, 4 Playoff Appearances in a row out of 6 years, and a Superbowl title.
What do you consider winning with regularity?
Not only is O'hara perfectly qualified to give that analysis, but he's also a great Giant and was part of one of the best lines in the history of the team.
He made the pro bowl and while maybe not Brian Williams was better than Richberg who had one good year. The Ol
Sucks.
He's saying what everyone else is saying. Solari was a mistake as was the HC. O'Hara won two Super Boels as the Giants C I thing he's a lot Moreton qualified than those here who want to alibi for the coach GM abd OL for some weird reason
2005: 11-5 Playoffs
2006: 8-8 Playoffs
2007: 10-6 Superbowl Champions
2008: 12-4 Playoffs
2009: 8-8
2010: 10-6
59-37 over that stretch, 4 Playoff Appearances in a row out of 6 years, and a Superbowl title.
What do you consider winning with regularity?
The only year that yielded a playoff win (albeit a SB victory, no small feat) was 2007. If you've got a franchise QB, a dominant OL, a HoFer on D - you'd kind of hope for more.
That's a fair point. Another thing to consider is that maybe none of those units or players was necessarily great (although exceptions for Eli and Strahan are in order, Tuck close behind), but they were all good, and very good, and a good coach brought them together and they won a SB.
Something that seems to get lost here. Eli, Coughlin, Reese - all contributors to a great run over a 5 year span. None of them perfect, and we weren't some unstoppable juggernaut. But two out of those years they came together to outplay any individual shortcomings and won it all.
To suggest that thinking O'Hara had some flaws somehow makes people forget that isn't fair.
Or worse, saying any of the guys on this line compare in any way to those guys?
I just can't wrap my head around that at all.
Flowers is ripped mercilessly on this site for appearing lazy and showing poor technique, and then O'hara says it and he gets ripped? I just don't get it.
Flowers is ripped mercilessly on this site for appearing lazy and showing poor technique, and then O'hara says it and he gets ripped? I just don't get it.
O'Hara ripped them for not working hard enough. This happens to be problematic because these guys aren't *allowed* to work with the coaches as much as O'Hara's line did. There have been hard and fast rule changes that prevent that.
There's obviously a problem with Flowers' technique. But unless O'Hara knows something from the inside that we don't, insinuating that he's lazy, when the coaches have said anything but (they praised him for working extremely hard in the offseason, going beyond what they had expected for him).
It could just be Flowers doesn't get it, and never will. That might seem like a semantic argument, but there's a huge gap between that and lazy.
Richburg has been part of this historically miserable operation for years on end.
So fuck O’Hara?
Unreal.
Yea it basically is. He correctly calls out the OL with specifics. And instead of us agreeing with him, theres this.
Remember last year when this fake tough guy OL was yapping anout having to stay on the field together, prioritizing toughness, and within a couple practices 3 guys were sitting out with bumps and bruises? That’s when Shaun really lit these guys up and it’s 100% justified. These guys suck BAD and deserve the criticism.
The second I read bumps and bruises I knew, this wasn't the kind of player who could survive in a competitive softball league.
Except, O'hara and Snee both weigh about 250 pounds now. I doubt they could start for Don Bosco.
He was a 3 year starter for the Miami Hurricanes. He started 26 games with 22 of the starts at LT.
There's obviously a problem with Flowers' technique. But unless O'Hara knows something from the inside that we don't, insinuating that he's lazy, when the coaches have said anything but (they praised him for working extremely hard in the offseason, going beyond what they had expected for him).
I'm cynical at this point and that's clouding my perspective, but at this point I'm taking any claims or inferences that Flowers isn't lazy with a massive stone of salt.
Him being praised by the coaches means little to me now -- they somehow seem to be addicted to praising him at this point. Him working hard in the offseason means little to me also, because it's quite possible he's just one of those guys who only does the work he enjoys. Maybe he just likes lifting weights, but neglects to work hard on the things he should be working hard on.
All speculation, probably unfair, but fuck it. The league and world are full of lazier-than-average people and it wouldn't surprise me in the least that word of Flowers being among them is accurate. Boylhart's pre-draft assessment of him seems downright prescient at this point.