I'm still numb to think the season could be over by Oct 1. With Denver on the road next week and Oakland / KC / LAR still ahead, are there any optimists that think we can realistically get to the playoffs ?
then it would be time to bench eli and see what they have is davis webb play for a good draft pick and OL must be 2 of the first 3 picks along with a WR that can actually catch the ball as marshall has done nothing but drop passes so far he was a stopgap anyway they need a big physical outside WR to complement beckham
and they need to extend pugh now they cannot risk losing the only ray of hope on the OL to FA,they need to build the rest of OL around him
on which management can decide whether McAdoo is a young coach going through a tough season of growing pains or is just not up to the challenge of being an NFL head coach. My fear is wasting this season and another -- two precious years for top production from Eli --before an answer is apparent to management or management is too conservative to make a move.
or we are done. Now, I have heard some say that 8-8 might win the NFC East this year but you look at Philly and the Foreskins right now and they are much better than we are.
If we don't win Sunday, this is going to get real ugly. Nasty ugly...
Hope? Let me tell you something, my friend. Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane. It's got no use in football. You'd better get used to that idea.
With this schedule, they can turn it around completely and still lose a number games they play well in. Throw in a game or 2 like the first four, because you just dont go from shit to immune to being shit. Its unrealistic.
Its the same coaches and same base. The new players didn't bring in some culture.
Any team that is 0-4 is a sinking ship.
But it can be turned around and I don't think it has anything to do with culture when the same core when 11-5 the year before.
The problem is catching, tackling, and especially blocking. Not culture.
The blocking gave us NO CHANCE in games 1 and 2. And it didn't help in game 3 or 4. That's the issue here. It was better in game 3 and 4 but not good enough.
The rookie RB looked good. They better start him from here.
Defense has to play better.
For me, none of that is about culture, not talking to press, or any of this other chatter.
We'd heve to sweep the Conference and Division (8 wins).... Â
and then beat two of the Chargers, Chiefs, Raiders and Broncos to make it to 10 wins and the playoffs.
I really can't envision that happening.
Very tough schedule, a bunch of long distance road trips, Thanksgiving night on the road, Christmas Eve on the road.
Chances are good it's all intertwined. B in ALB laid out the basics, and we've seen it before with football teams in the past, it's palpable and you can sense it, especially if you've lived through in the past.
There's an undercurrent with this group and it's negative.
You usually don't see the true character of a person Â
or player until adversity hits and we really didn't have much adversity last year other than the GB game(and we imploded then). I'm with JonC on this one, the character on this team is a problem and we are seeing what happens when adversity hits(they fold).
the hype of 11-5 from last year while somewhat very hopeful that the additions could repeat that this year.
The improved opposition, the now very exposed OL, the poor passes/tackling/playcalling and insane/egomaniacal decisions to leave FG attempts on the table for 4th and 1/TD attempts from an unproductive O by our HC brings us to today.
We are having a failing season, the opponents will be getting tougher, and who knows what is happening in the locker room that will be fodder for the writers in the biggest media market in America to feast on.
I don't see this group playing any better against better teams the rest of the way sufficiently enough to beat those teams.
I do wonder how much our quiet Eli vents to Abby every game night. Years of poor FO decisions have to be grating on him. Poor guy.
Both of our DE's are hurt, and if Spags can't dial up some exotic blitz schemes and apply pressure to Rivers, he is going to pick this defense apart...
This is a must game.....just like the Buc game was....just like the Eagle game was....
They have to win this game....but even if they do, I think they lose the next two, and might be 1-6 at the bye....
This is a crazy season....teams are faltering all over the place.......so it's not out of the question that this team can right the ship....but it has to start with it's first win, and then who knows?
And because it's really the only rational way to look at any sport in general. There can only be one ultimate winner per season (Super Bowl, World Series, etc.). I don't subscribe to the notion that everyone else are losers. I enjoy watching my favorite play a good game, or run a good race. I try to take it one at a time (just like they tell the players). If they come out and put forth a valiant effort to compete, I'll enjoy watching. Granted, I will enjoy it more if they win, but I'm a Giants fan regardless if they are struggling at the moment.
the argument would be there's mediocrity across the board in the league this season. nobody's really that good. and the giants aren't as bad as they've seemed. they've opened with 3 of 4 games on the road, and for their first two they were missing their best player, and they've gotten a bunch of bad breaks. you have to believe they can still get on a roll somehow.
what's a scenario? they need to beat SD this week. then assume they've got to figure a way to win 5 of 6 of the remaining home games, and that includes beating all their division rivals in that end of the season stretch. it means they'd need to beat 2 out of 3 of the seahawks, rams and chiefs at home. and then they've got to 3 and 2 on the road against the broncos, niners, raiders, skins and cardinals. and one of the wins has to be either the hawks at home or broncos on the road, since you're also cooked at 1-6. if you somehow do all that, that would get you to 9-7 and you'd need to hope for tiebreaker magic.
Hope? Let me tell you something, my friend. Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane. It's got no use in football. You'd better get used to that idea.
and they need to extend pugh now they cannot risk losing the only ray of hope on the OL to FA,they need to build the rest of OL around him
If we don't win Sunday, this is going to get real ugly. Nasty ugly...
You mean like Red did?
Its the same coaches and same base. The new players didn't bring in some culture.
Any team that is 0-4 is a sinking ship.
But it can be turned around and I don't think it has anything to do with culture when the same core when 11-5 the year before.
The problem is catching, tackling, and especially blocking. Not culture.
The blocking gave us NO CHANCE in games 1 and 2. And it didn't help in game 3 or 4. That's the issue here. It was better in game 3 and 4 but not good enough.
The rookie RB looked good. They better start him from here.
Defense has to play better.
For me, none of that is about culture, not talking to press, or any of this other chatter.
I really can't envision that happening.
Very tough schedule, a bunch of long distance road trips, Thanksgiving night on the road, Christmas Eve on the road.
There's an undercurrent with this group and it's negative.
The improved opposition, the now very exposed OL, the poor passes/tackling/playcalling and insane/egomaniacal decisions to leave FG attempts on the table for 4th and 1/TD attempts from an unproductive O by our HC brings us to today.
We are having a failing season, the opponents will be getting tougher, and who knows what is happening in the locker room that will be fodder for the writers in the biggest media market in America to feast on.
I don't see this group playing any better against better teams the rest of the way sufficiently enough to beat those teams.
I do wonder how much our quiet Eli vents to Abby every game night. Years of poor FO decisions have to be grating on him. Poor guy.
This is a must game.....just like the Buc game was....just like the Eagle game was....
They have to win this game....but even if they do, I think they lose the next two, and might be 1-6 at the bye....
This is a crazy season....teams are faltering all over the place.......so it's not out of the question that this team can right the ship....but it has to start with it's first win, and then who knows?
One game at a time guys.
Even if they manage to secure a good draft spot, I don't want Reese to make the choice. He should be fired!
what's a scenario? they need to beat SD this week. then assume they've got to figure a way to win 5 of 6 of the remaining home games, and that includes beating all their division rivals in that end of the season stretch. it means they'd need to beat 2 out of 3 of the seahawks, rams and chiefs at home. and then they've got to 3 and 2 on the road against the broncos, niners, raiders, skins and cardinals. and one of the wins has to be either the hawks at home or broncos on the road, since you're also cooked at 1-6. if you somehow do all that, that would get you to 9-7 and you'd need to hope for tiebreaker magic.
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Hope? Let me tell you something, my friend. Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane. It's got no use in football. You'd better get used to that idea.
You mean like Red did?
Exactly.