NFT: 2018 Rock & Roll HOF Nominees

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In comment 13631948 NDMedics said:

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They aren't all a joke. Who are you pissed about?

a joke, but the absence of Carol King and Warren Zevon makes the whole thing a lot less credible for me.

Depeche Mode was already in. I wonder if RATM's relative lack of output might hold them back. Didn't seem to affect Guns though. If Bon Jovi gets in, does Desmond Child go in with them?

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Plus they were pretty ahead of their time

Ridiculous!

I would think the Cars and Bon Jovi would get in as well.

R&R HOF ignores
British groups and Indie Rock

Where is

Pixies
Joy Division/New Order
The Smiths
The Jam
The Replacements
Husker Du
X
Sonic Youth
The Cure
Black Flag
Fugazi
The B-52's
Devo

-Bon Jovi
-Kate Bush
-The Cars
-Judas Priest
-LL Cool J
-Moody Blues
-Nina Simone

Not seeing it.

will get a couple of the old fogies, a couple of solo acts, an ethnic act of some stripe, and a not so old group. I'm going to Vegas with my picks...

First time. They were pioneers/activists. No band has ever been like them before/since. And they are possibly more popular now then in their hay day.

A holy trinity of albums. Ratm, evil empire and battle of Los Angeles are terrific. That might just be enough for the hall. PS The rock n roll hall is a joke.

you remember when these bands all started:

-Bon Jovi yes
-Kate Bush no
-The Cars yes
-Depeche Mode no, no one over 14 ever listened to them
-Dire Straits yes
-Eurythmics no, they were an oddity not HOF worthy
-J. Geils Band yes
-Judas Priest no, never than popular
-LL Cool J yes, helped start a musical genre
-MC5 yes, ditto
-The Meters could go either way. they helped start a genre but it disappeared pretty quickly
-Moody Blues yes
-Radiohead no
-Rage Against the Machine no, no one over 16 ever listened to them but they will probably get in because of their activism
-Rufus featuring Chaka Khan no, basically known for one hit
-Nina Simone never particularly popular but will get in for her activism
-Sister Rosetta Tharpe Gospel singer but she is a lock
-Link Wray no
-The Zombies yes

Pixies no
Joy Division/New Order no
The Smiths No, a Jam derivative
The Jam Yes, they get the blame for alt rock
The Replacements yes
Husker Du yes
X no
Sonic Youth no
The Cure yes
Black Flag no
Fugazi no
The B-52's yes
Devo GTFO. A circus act

Eurythmics made it. Dave Stewart is popular in high places. Likewise, Cars and J. Geils. Probably the Meters, and The Zombies lobby has been persistent.

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Where's POCO! They taught the Eagles how to be the Eagles and they're still touring. What a sham!

but Radiohead is by far the most instrumental band on this list...the talking heads of their era

In comment 13631954 NDMedics said:

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a joke, but the absence of Carol King and Warren Zevon makes the whole thing a lot less credible for me.

Warren Zevon not in already? That's not right...

Harry Nillson would be worth discussing. Like Zevon, most of his contemporaries would put the genius label on him.

In comment 13632084 TommytheElephant said:

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That seems like a lock.

My prediction:

Moody Blues
Bon Jovi
Cars
J Giels
Dire Straits
The Zombies

Ian Anderson/Jethro Tull. The Hall is a joke. It's the new "mistake by the lake".

In comment 13632131 JohnF said:

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Ian Anderson/Jethro Tull. The Hall is a joke. It's the new "mistake by the lake".

true

In comment 13632067 HomerJones45 said:

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you remember when these bands all started: -Bon Jovi yes -Kate Bush no -The Cars yes -Depeche Mode no, no one over 14 ever listened to them -Dire Straits yes -Eurythmics no, they were an oddity not HOF worthy -J. Geils Band yes -Judas Priest no, never than popular -LL Cool J yes, helped start a musical genre -MC5 yes, ditto -The Meters could go either way. they helped start a genre but it disappeared pretty quickly -Moody Blues yes -Radiohead no -Rage Against the Machine no, no one over 16 ever listened to them but they will probably get in because of their activism -Rufus featuring Chaka Khan no, basically known for one hit -Nina Simone never particularly popular but will get in for her activism -Sister Rosetta Tharpe Gospel singer but she is a lock -Link Wray no -The Zombies yes

Christ...

It’s a shame they aren’t already in. Pioneers of an entire genre of music. They’re a band that actually belongs on their merit, not popularity.

is far too subjective to award gold stars. The best i've ever heard remain virtually unknown.

I'm glad there are at least a few interesting artists up this year.

"My favorites aren't on the list, and I know more than everyone else!"

It's the same bitch fest every year.

Bon Jovi I got the power still makes me throw the remote. No Carole King really! also mentioned above Warren Zevon surely worthy

..Put them all in, who gives a fuck?

because it stopped being all about rock and roll a long time ago. I am surprised they did not put Weird Al in there already

In comment 13632141 Steve L said:

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It’s a shame they aren’t already in. Pioneers of an entire genre of music. They’re a band that actually belongs on their merit, not popularity.

the most influential band of the group.

but how many are Hall worthy???


-The Cars - debatable that they really popularized New Wave..but I don't think Hall worthy.
-Depeche Mode - VERY influential. I say yes.
-J. Geils Band - Outstanding Blues Rock band, but not Hall
-Judas Priest - VERY influential. Fantastic albums. YES
-MC5 -- Possibly the Godfather's of Punk. I say YES.
-The Meters - Tremendously underrated FUNK band. No.
-Radiohead - Tremendous first 3 albums. I like most after, but maybe TOO ahead of their time??
-Rage Against the Machine - Punk/Rap.. great band, but not enough.
-Nina Simone - Tremendous voice (both literally and figuratively) but not Hall

If I had a vote, I'd go Priest/Depeche Mode/MC5

I'm sure none will make it.

but no way should they be in the HoF.

when you consider the Moody Blues from "Go Now" through Nights in White Satin you could argue they should have been in one of the first few classes, not 2017. what a joke.

IMHO

p.s. would love for Thorogood to get in some day.

I think Radiohead is a lock just based on the "OK Computer" era alone. They were hugely influential and one of the biggest bands on the planet at that point. I have felt like their newer stuff is hit or miss, but they keep pushing the envelope.

In comment 13631954 NDMedics said:

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a joke, but the absence of Carol King and Warren Zevon makes the whole thing a lot less credible for me.

This! SMH

Critics have always adored them.

you remember when The Cars and B-52s started but not Depeche Mode or New Order? Makes no sense.

In comment 13632679 RinR said:

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you remember when The Cars and B-52s started but not Depeche Mode or New Order? Makes no sense.

He was saying no to them getting in to the RRHOF, not no to remembering when they started.

to kids 14 and under.

but this still makes no sense:

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-Depeche Mode no, no one over 14 ever listened to them

In comment 13632699 RinR said:

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but this still makes no sense: Quote: -Depeche Mode no, no one over 14 ever listened to them

I didn't say any of it made sense or not, was just clarifying that one point.

One of my favorite artists from the 80's-90's, really helped open my horizons musically - one of the most creative artists of the era, a phenomenal arranger, producer and singer.

I got to weigh in on this:
Pixies: Pioneering band, especially with women in alternative rock.
Joy Division/New Order: Depeche mode is being considered, these guys came first.
The Smiths: A Jam derivative? Uh, OK. Maybe not? Joy Division derivative maybe.
The Jam Yes, they get the blame for alt rock - what? That would lie with the next two bands.
The Replacements yes
Husker Du yes
X Pioneers of west coast punk. A great American band, absolutely should be in there.
Sonic Youth no. OK I am not a fan but they have a signifcatn body of work, a pioneering sound and Gordon should be in for her performance at the Nirvana indication.
The Cure Ok you say no to the Smiths but yes to the Cure?
Black Flag Their influence cannot be argued. Pioneers in punk, pioneers in metal crossover. the touring alone inspired hundreds of bands. They created touring routes for the explosion of alt music. Basically every independent label that started every band from 1982 onwards owes something to Black Flag too, and thus every indie band.
Fugazi Not enough of a body of work
The B-52's yes
Devo Absolutely! Pioneers in their own right.

As for RATM, I really like them but they too have a small body of work, inconsistent in output as well. I get the rap, metal, punk crossover but lots of bands you never heard of toiled at that for years. Hell I saw them open for Body Count before they had the first ecord out. Should Body Count be in RRHOF?

Depeche Mode currently has the 5th highest grossing tour in the world this year, playing a ton of material off their latest record. Of which debuted in the top 10 in the US and UK.

Aside from being the most influential electronic band of all time, they are wildly popular and have been for 30 years.

But no over 14 ever listened to them. I guess consider the source?

...added colors to the R&R pallet that simply were not there before - their influence is profound.

Only band I ever saw that was so loud I got dizzy. Had to walk out of Maxwell's midset!

But by the late 60's and early 70's, two bands had more hits and sold more records than the Beatles:

Three Dog Night:

Joy to the World (aka: Jeremiah was a Bullfrog)
One
Eli's Coming
Never Been to Spain
Celebrate
Easy to be Hard
Shambala
Mama Told Me (Not to Come)
etc.

Tommy James and the Shondells:

I Think We're Alone Now
Crimson And Clover
Mony Mony (pilfered a decade later by Billy Idol)
Sweet Cherry Wine
Draggin the Line
Crystal Blue Persuation
I Like The Way
She
Etc.

Neither band in the HOF and neither band nominated for HOF

WTF????????

In comment 13631954 NDMedics said:

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a joke, but the absence of Carol King and Warren Zevon makes the whole thing a lot less credible for me.

never met another zevon fan until BBI.

But the one I am most interested in seeing voted in is 'LL Cool J. He was a pioneer in his genre, a legitimate star, and is still a big hit over 3 decades later. It's an absolute joke someone like Tupac was in before him.

In comment 13634246 Matt M. said:

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But the one I am most interested in seeing voted in is 'LL Cool J. He was a pioneer in his genre, a legitimate star, and is still a big hit over 3 decades later. It's an absolute joke someone like Tupac was in before him.

Just saw LL in ‘15. He was great.