Can't link from work laptop but read on cell phone.
sportstalk360.com states that the Giants reached out to inquire about LT Duane Brown who continues to hold out.
He was scheduled to make 9.4 million and wants more.
What is the cost (trade) for someone like this? 2/3 rounder?
Move Flowers to G where he is better suited in the NFL?
He has actually looked better the past two years but obviously isn't the future for LT.
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You guys actually believe this shit? Lmaooo
Great job Reese
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make this trade 3 weeks ago. Trading futures to save this season at 0-4 is a risky move. Even a 10-2 finish wouldn't guarantee playoffs.ere not going 10-2 so no sense in
spending picks on a 30 yo .
Go after a pass rusher of O-lineman next year free agency
makes no sense right now . If he was 3-4 years younger
I would say go for it.
all this stupid move does is lose draft picks while "helping" this team win just enough to lose a top 10 1st rounder
the season is over - this move needed to happen in July
We will have zero answers if we go into the offseason with what we have.
This. If they leverage the future on a season that is undoubtedly lost, then this organization has officially come off the rails.
If he's just a short term bandaid? No thanks, no pick. Duane Brown isn't winning this team the Lombardi this year and it reeks of a desperation play by a FO that fears for its job. Clawing our way to 8-8 for a guy that won't benefit the franchise longterm isn't in our best interest.
If he's just a short term bandaid? No thanks, no pick. Duane Brown isn't winning this team the Lombardi this year and it reeks of a desperation play by a FO that fears for its job. Clawing our way to 8-8 for a guy that won't benefit the franchise longterm isn't in our best interest.
Exactly, The Horse is out of the barn. Now this poor GM wants to fix something that's way too late so he can get up in his presser during the bye week and say, "We always trying to upgrade at all positions during the season". People who think Reese is a effective GM need their thought process reviewed
That's going to be a high 2nd and 3rd rounder for a 32yo 9milluon plus LT
Please don't do it
regardless of what the numbers say you go ONE game at a time. the first four were REALLY good teams....every game on schedule left is winnable....why cant we rip off 6 in a row to get to 6-4??? this is the nfl....one game at a time. i make this move for a 4th rounder AT most. wouldnt trade a high pick, but 4+ id jump on it. 3rd would take me longer to think about. if this gives us a better chance of winning now, you do it....then in april we can go a different route ie barkley and use 2nd and 3rd rouders on OL and really sets us up well for 2018.
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You guys realize that Mara signs off on these moves, right? Do you think that whatever our record is, Chris Mara is leaving the team? And with him there regardless, do you think he'd sign off on some desperation move that could hurt the team if the only aim was a longshot to save people's jobs?
Think before you post people... The chances of this being true are highly unlikely in the first place, but even if, it's not two guys in a vacuum jeopardizing the team's long term future without anyone holding them in check.
Yes, No and Yes. They don't want to look like fools after spending 200 million, handing the reins over to a novice and keeping Jerry Reach.
Man, you love your talking points. I can imagine you're similarly useless in conversations about political and current evennts.
Sorry Reese and MacAdoo are making you and your predictions look clueless. You'll learn how things work as you gain more experience in the world.
If you only understood how ironic it is for you to call anyone else clueless, the world might reverse on its axis.
That said, we can't both scream for O-line help and say we shouldn't go after O-line help. The season's teetering and it's not a month old yet. Yes, a 10-2 finish wouldn't guarantee playoffs, but 6-6 finish guarantees no playoffs. The front office has to show the players and fans that they're really committed to winning, every year.
We're deep into the thread now, but look up a bit, the source on this rumour is somewhat cheeky.
Maybe it's getting close to accepting that the championship window was never really there with this line. It's hard to expect the acquisition of two to four good starters in the next offseason or two when this front office hasn't been able to do that in the last 7 years.
Might be Mara's desperate attempt to still win games(in my Bob Uecker voice: JUST a bit late).
I d say there s a lot of quit on this board.
By the way if Giants win Sunday and the Cowboys get their third loss, or Eagles get their second. Please son t jump back on the wagon.
"institutional arrogance" requires a bit more clarification. Every team in the league has a philosophy they stick to. You could say this for just about any franchise.
I can stomach a 3rd for Brown and am ok paying him. Especially since they wont be paying flowers and possibly Pugh big money. I dont think PUgh is worth big money as a OG or OT.
They have Eli for 2 years. Bring him on. Its like having Duane brown for Odigizuwa.
I can stomach a 3rd for Brown and am ok paying him. Especially since they wont be paying flowers and possibly Pugh big money. I dont think PUgh is worth big money as a OG or OT.
They have Eli for 2 years. Bring him on. Its like having Duane brown for Odigizuwa.
Not quite, because you also have to give Brown a hefty raise in addition to giving up the third to acquire him. That's what makes the premise difficult, if it were only for a third rounder he'd be gone by now.
The problem is we've spent big money where we draft well: defensive line.
The problem is we've spent big money where we draft well: defensive line.
They struggle to select quality free agents as well. They need to identify the weaknesses of their talent evaluation before they commit any kind of premium picks or cap space to the position.
Also,do we draft well on the defensive line, namely end? Save for one or two seasons of your favorite player JPP, I would argue that we've been pretty weak there as well since Tuck and Umenyiora got old and retired, left.
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"institutional arrogance" requires a bit more clarification. Every team in the league has a philosophy they stick to. You could say this for just about any franchise.
How 'bout not firing a GM since 1979, does that qualify?
You can't say that about other franchise in the 4 major sports, let alone franchises in the NFL!
It is absolutely ludicrous to me.
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"institutional arrogance" requires a bit more clarification. Every team in the league has a philosophy they stick to. You could say this for just about any franchise.
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How 'bout not firing a GM since 1979, does that qualify?
You can't say that about other franchise in the 4 major sports, let alone franchises in the NFL!
It is absolutely ludicrous to me.
Stability is ludicrous? The Steelers have had 3 head coaches since 1969, iirc....
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"institutional arrogance" requires a bit more clarification. Every team in the league has a philosophy they stick to. You could say this for just about any franchise.
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How 'bout not firing a GM since 1979, does that qualify?
You can't say that about other franchise in the 4 major sports, let alone franchises in the NFL!
It is absolutely ludicrous to me.
Stability is ludicrous? The Steelers have had 3 head coaches since 1969, iirc....
When it's not working it is, not saying go all Cleveland Browns around here, but it hasn't been working.
Stability around these parts is also a synonym for stubbornness, and you picked the one franchise who are
like two peas in a pod with this franchise in a lot of ways.
What about the other 4 major sports, they all have it wrong,
and the Giants have it right, got it now.
Who are the franchises who have impressed you with their management style, and how successful are they? Who do you feel does it right or better? Because every team blows draft picks, or has a deficiency in some area. We can argue left and right about what you think the giants got wrong or right here and there and there are things they absolutely do poorly, but if you legitimately feel like things are just so dreadful, you should spend some time around other franchises and see the things they screw up and the consistent futility.
Nobody should be happy with the results for the Giants in 2017 so far, but one should take a hard look at how other places do it and how well that's worked out over the past 13 years before going 'woe is me' over how the Giants operate.
And we are not talking about that many new players getting snaps.
Coaches have to look hard at themselves on this one because those players aren't ready for work when the Star Spangled Banner finishes...
Who are the franchises who have impressed you with their management style, and how successful are they? Who do you feel does it right or better? Because every team blows draft picks, or has a deficiency in some area. We can argue left and right about what you think the giants got wrong or right here and there and there are things they absolutely do poorly, but if you legitimately feel like things are just so dreadful, you should spend some time around other franchises and see the things they screw up and the consistent futility.
Nobody should be happy with the results for the Giants in 2017 so far, but one should take a hard look at how other places do it and how well that's worked out over the past 13 years before going 'woe is me' over how the Giants operate.
You will change your tune when you have watched this organization a lot longer than you have presently.
I am not saying 'woe is me', saying it is a philosophical difference in my view. It started a few years ago for me.
You are wrong in presuming it's about 2017, very wrong in fact.
When you are not going to make the playoffs, 6 out 8 years, doesn't appear to be working. It appears that is stubbornness, do you have a better word for it, use it.
If you like the 'stability' that goes with that, good for you! A lot of people have wanted the GM gone, so I am far from alone on here in that regard.
He has fucked up twice in the last 5 years, but let's
have stability. Some of you have the fear of the unknown,
I don't subscribe to that mindset.
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you have to factor that they cant get it right at OT with a 1st rounder, Flowers, Pugh.
IMO Is rather those cap dollars go to Brown than Flowers or Pugh, that’s how I justify it.
I can stomach a 3rd for Brown and am ok paying him. Especially since they wont be paying flowers and possibly Pugh big money. I dont think PUgh is worth big money as a OG or OT.
They have Eli for 2 years. Bring him on. Its like having Duane brown for Odigizuwa.
Not quite, because you also have to give Brown a hefty raise in addition to giving up the third to acquire him. That's what makes the premise difficult, if it were only for a third rounder he'd be gone by now.