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jc in c-ville : 10/6/2017 9:34 am
Can't link from work laptop but read on cell phone.

sportstalk360.com states that the Giants reached out to inquire about LT Duane Brown who continues to hold out.

He was scheduled to make 9.4 million and wants more.

What is the cost (trade) for someone like this? 2/3 rounder?

Move Flowers to G where he is better suited in the NFL?

He has actually looked better the past two years but obviously isn't the future for LT.
Last two games  
jc in c-ville : 10/6/2017 9:35 am : link
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He's 32 and wants more $  
Giantology : 10/6/2017 9:36 am : link
so I'd hope we don't give up anything like a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
Linked  
jcn56 : 10/6/2017 9:37 am : link
I'd be surprised - this season seems to be tanked, no sense in giving up anything more than a 3rd given the fact that he wants a hefty raise to boot.
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Would've been great to  
Metnut : 10/6/2017 9:37 am : link
make this trade 3 weeks ago. Trading futures to save this season at 0-4 is a risky move. Even a 10-2 finish wouldn't guarantee playoffs.
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CoughlinHandsonHips : 10/6/2017 9:37 am : link
At 0-4, I think it may be too late to be making trades. The Gmen would have to go on quite a run to make the playoffs, and there are roster deficiencies at positions outside of LT
Not so sure how reputable this site is  
jcn56 : 10/6/2017 9:38 am : link
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Sports Talk 360 is a privately run website run by a couple of lads who love their NFL. The Sports Talk 360 team are a dedicated couple of lads who seek to bring you all the News and Rumours in the world of the NFL.

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Mdgiantsfan : 10/6/2017 9:39 am : link
How good is he?

But with the season in shambles, I'd be hesitant to give up a high pick and/or use a lot cap space for a 32 year old Tackle. If we were a good Tackle away from making a serious SB push or he were younger and could be our LT for the next 5+ years, then I'd be all in.
RE: Would've been great to  
Beer Man : 10/6/2017 9:39 am : link
In comment 13632713 Metnut said:
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make this trade 3 weeks ago. Trading futures to save this season at 0-4 is a risky move. Even a 10-2 finish wouldn't guarantee playoffs.
Agree, but put yourself in Jerry's and Mac's shoes, who both should know that they could be fired at season's end if things don't turn around. Jerry is trying to save his job, not the season.
RE: Not so sure how reputable this site is  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 9:41 am : link
In comment 13632716 jcn56 said:
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Sports Talk 360 is a privately run website run by a couple of lads who love their NFL. The Sports Talk 360 team are a dedicated couple of lads who seek to bring you all the News and Rumours in the world of the NFL.


Lads? Rumours? So they're in the UK, I take it. I'm sure they have their finger on the pulse of the Giants.
RE: Not so sure how reputable this site is  
BigBlueShock : 10/6/2017 9:41 am : link
In comment 13632716 jcn56 said:
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Sports Talk 360 is a privately run website run by a couple of lads who love their NFL. The Sports Talk 360 team are a dedicated couple of lads who seek to bring you all the News and Rumours in the world of the NFL.




Huh. They seem like a fine couple of lads
RE: Linked  
tbonfig : 10/6/2017 9:42 am : link
In comment 13632712 jcn56 said:
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I'd be surprised - this season seems to be tanked, no sense in giving up anything more than a 3rd given the fact that he wants a hefty raise to boot. http://sportstalk360.com/ - ( New Window )


Yeah, but it's not like anyone in the division is running away with it after the first quarter of the season.
This Smells of the Beason  
Bernie : 10/6/2017 9:43 am : link
move a few years back. No thanks at this point.
In any case, despite what a lot of people here think  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 9:46 am : link
There's much more wrong with this team than just a left tackle. Is Duane Brown going to play defense, too? Because they would have won both of the last two games if the defense could have gotten the job done late in the game.
RE: This Smells of the Beason  
jcn56 : 10/6/2017 9:48 am : link
In comment 13632726 Bernie said:
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move a few years back. No thanks at this point.


Beason was acquired for practically nothing, the problem was he was oft-injured and remained that way.

Brown's a solid tackle - but approaching 33 years old, making almost $10M a year and wants a raise. How you justify handing over a 3rd round pick (which might be closer to the 2nd round than we'd like) for the right to pay him more money is beyond me.
Dumb move at this point in the season if true...  
Britt in VA : 10/6/2017 9:50 am : link
and would reek of desperation.
RE: RE: Not so sure how reputable this site is  
jcn56 : 10/6/2017 9:51 am : link
In comment 13632722 Greg from LI said:
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Sports Talk 360 is a privately run website run by a couple of lads who love their NFL. The Sports Talk 360 team are a dedicated couple of lads who seek to bring you all the News and Rumours in the world of the NFL.




Lads? Rumours? So they're in the UK, I take it. I'm sure they have their finger on the pulse of the Giants.


Well, they could also be Canadians, which, um, I guess is better?

Hmm.  
AcidTest : 10/6/2017 9:52 am : link
Let's count the reasons not to do this for anything more than a day three pick. Brown is 32, wants a boatload of money, hasn't played all year, we're 0-4, and as Greg said, there are many other problems with this team aside from the OL.

This is just desperation. At least Beason only cost a seventh round pick. The Texans want their second round pick back that they had to give to the Browns to get rid of Osweiler. And they know our second round pick will be very high.
The mistake with Beason wasn’t for trading for him  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 9:52 am : link
it was giving him a new contract after that

And I agree, what’s the point of giving up draft picks now at 0-4?
If we give up anything more than a 6th  
chuckydee9 : 10/6/2017 9:53 am : link
this is a horrible move.. we are 0-4.. our OL is playing as well as should have been expected at the start of the season.. if anything should have been done it should've happened before 0-4 hole.. Now trading away future just so we can win 6 -8 games this season is not good for the long term.. Also how are we going to afford him we have to sign some really good players soon like Collins, OBJ and Pugh..

A trade at this point would be a huge negative..
pushes pugh back to guard for a few games  
idiotsavant : 10/6/2017 9:53 am : link
before the old veteran gets injured.

which..., pugh was a little light for guard so....

I would hardly ever give up draft picks, nah, not for old players especially
Giants need to hang on to their premium picks  
JonC : 10/6/2017 9:54 am : link
like they're gold bricks.
RE: RE: Would've been great to  
an_idol_mind : 10/6/2017 9:54 am : link
In comment 13632720 Beer Man said:
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make this trade 3 weeks ago. Trading futures to save this season at 0-4 is a risky move. Even a 10-2 finish wouldn't guarantee playoffs.

Agree, but put yourself in Jerry's and Mac's shoes, who both should know that they could be fired at season's end if things don't turn around. Jerry is trying to save his job, not the season.


Fair point. Playoffs is very unlikely right now, but Reese and McAdoo probably know that a 7-9 or 8-8 record can save their jobs.
meaning the player traded for, injury risk  
idiotsavant : 10/6/2017 9:54 am : link
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RE: Not so sure how reputable this site is  
GiantGolfer : 10/6/2017 9:55 am : link
In comment 13632716 jcn56 said:
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Sports Talk 360 is a privately run website run by a couple of lads who love their NFL. The Sports Talk 360 team are a dedicated couple of lads who seek to bring you all the News and Rumours in the world of the NFL.





Thread over.
Mfsd  
joeinpa : 10/6/2017 9:55 am : link
Because coaches, GM s, players and owners, don t think like fans who give up with 75% of the regular season left.
The 'desperation' and 'save their ass' posts are funny  
jcn56 : 10/6/2017 9:58 am : link
You guys realize that Mara signs off on these moves, right? Do you think that whatever our record is, Chris Mara is leaving the team? And with him there regardless, do you think he'd sign off on some desperation move that could hurt the team if the only aim was a longshot to save people's jobs?

Think before you post people... The chances of this being true are highly unlikely in the first place, but even if, it's not two guys in a vacuum jeopardizing the team's long term future without anyone holding them in check.
RE: Mfsd  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 9:59 am : link
In comment 13632746 joeinpa said:
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Because coaches, GM s, players and owners, don t think like fans who give up with 75% of the regular season left.


So you advocate giving up a premium draft pick for a 32 year old left tackle who’s been holding out through 4 games already?
No  
joeinpa : 10/6/2017 10:00 am : link
I m a fan. I don t think it s worth it.
Something to consider  
WillVAB : 10/6/2017 10:04 am : link
It's not just about this year. The OL sucks and there are no attractive FA's at OL next year. There's a legitimate possibility we could be heading into the draft with Flowers, Jerry, Fluker, and Hart as the only experienced guys on the roster. Think about that.

Adding Brown would definitely help this year -- Brown-Flowers-Richberg-Fluker-Pugh is something we can work with. But it also hedges against a guy or two leaving next year, and gives Eli a quality LT to protect his blindside for the rest of his career.
Stay the course  
The_Boss : 10/6/2017 10:07 am : link
No need for a 32/33 year old LT on an 0-4 team with the meat of the schedule ahead. Take our medicine this year (in the form of 4/5 win season) and move on. If this year results in the NYG finding a true franchise qb to succeed Eli, we’ll be better off in the long run. Remember, this is still the 6th youngest roster in the league (youngest in the division).
And re: giving up a 3rd rounder  
WillVAB : 10/6/2017 10:08 am : link
Why not? Brown is better than any 3rd rounder Reese has selected.
RE: No  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 10:08 am : link
In comment 13632749 joeinpa said:
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I m a fan. I don t think it s worth it.


You make a fair point - we as fans want to see the Giants rebuilt into a team that can contend for several years. Players, coaches, GMs want to win games now bc they’re playing/working to keep their jobs for next season.

Our general reaction is don’t mortgage a premium pick at this point - but whether or not this is true, im sure Mac and Reese care a lot more about figuring out how to go 9-7 with a strong finish so they keep their jobs
I guess they could be Canadian  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 10:10 am : link
To me, though, "lads" is a British expression. You don't often hear that word from the colonials, whether they're American or Canadian.
I advocated this move at the end of pre-season  
PatersonPlank : 10/6/2017 10:10 am : link
It would be a smart trade for us. We can't just stay the course with the OL. If we think he has a few years left, like 3, then do it. Give them a 3rd if thats what they want. Then in the draft we can take another top OL player and the line will be revamped.
If You Need a Good Offensive Lineman (or Two, or Three)  
Bob in Vt : 10/6/2017 10:12 am : link
Trading makes sense ... IF your scouting department absolutely sucks at evaluating offensive linemen talent.

And the Giants suck at evaluating OL talent in the draft.
Would be a waste at this stage  
hitdog42 : 10/6/2017 10:15 am : link
Pointless
I'd be fine handing them a #3 pick  
JonC : 10/6/2017 10:16 am : link
but not thrilled with paying for the privilege of handing a 32 yr old a sizable extension on top of it.
He is a warrior , Has a mean streak  
Elite Mobster #32 : 10/6/2017 10:16 am : link
Giants need to get some swag

Give Him is Cage Too !!
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3 weeks too late  
spike : 10/6/2017 10:22 am : link
No thx
His age does not bother me...  
Capt. Don : 10/6/2017 10:22 am : link
Tackles can play well into their mid 30s and he has never been injury prone (missed 12 games in 9 years).

Although it wouldve been great to have done this earlier, the Texans may not have been open to it until now.

This year is probably lost but if he could play at good level for 3 more years I think you do it to get the most out of Eli.
If true, Jerry would be doing it just to save his job  
widmerseyebrow : 10/6/2017 10:25 am : link
If this move was ever a serious consideration, the conclusion of training camp or preseason was the time to do it. They knew what they had then.
This is why players have Visors  
Elite Mobster #32 : 10/6/2017 10:25 am : link
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RE: The 'desperation' and 'save their ass' posts are funny  
HomerJones45 : 10/6/2017 10:25 am : link
In comment 13632747 jcn56 said:
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You guys realize that Mara signs off on these moves, right? Do you think that whatever our record is, Chris Mara is leaving the team? And with him there regardless, do you think he'd sign off on some desperation move that could hurt the team if the only aim was a longshot to save people's jobs?

Think before you post people... The chances of this being true are highly unlikely in the first place, but even if, it's not two guys in a vacuum jeopardizing the team's long term future without anyone holding them in check.
Yes, No and Yes. They don't want to look like fools after spending 200 million, handing the reins over to a novice and keeping Jerry Reach.
I would give no  
TommyWiseau : 10/6/2017 10:26 am : link
More then a 5th round pick, either move Flowers to Guard or RT and see what we can do. Remember we are going to have to pay him big $$ as well as trade a pick
wait!  
I Love Clams Casino : 10/6/2017 10:30 am : link
Chris Mara signs off on these?

I thought he just drank a lot?
Isn't this guy  
ryanmkeane : 10/6/2017 10:38 am : link
always hurt? I'd part with a 5th.
What is wrong with you people?  
Jon in NYC : 10/6/2017 10:38 am : link
Of course it's desperation. The team is 0-4. I can't believe most of you want to sit there and do nothing.
RE: Would be a waste at this stage  
Capt. Don : 10/6/2017 10:39 am : link
In comment 13632774 hitdog42 said:
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Pointless


It would be pointless if he were playing out the last year in his contract. But it wouldnt be pointless if we could secure him for the next three years.
RE: Isn't this guy  
Kevin in Annapolis : 10/6/2017 10:39 am : link
In comment 13632808 ryanmkeane said:
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always hurt? I'd part with a 5th.


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he has never been injury prone (missed 12 games in 9 years).
With  
ryanmkeane : 10/6/2017 10:39 am : link
a solid OL class in this year's draft, I wouldn't part with any high picks for this guy.
hopefully Reese  
Enzo : 10/6/2017 10:40 am : link
isn't allowed to do anything stupid in a desperate attempt to save his job.
Not Happening  
ZogZerg : 10/6/2017 10:42 am : link
it's too late at this point. Would make no sense.
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Kevin in Annapolis : 10/6/2017 10:42 am : link
In comment 13632812 Capt. Don said:
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Pointless



It would be pointless if he were playing out the last year in his contract. But it wouldnt be pointless if we could secure him for the next three years.


I agree with this if the priority is to make another run with Eli. You wont find a better LT in FA this year. Maybe you draft one early, but they would still take time an may never reach Browns level. The big question is cost (in draft picks and in contract cost).
RE: With  
Giantology : 10/6/2017 10:47 am : link
In comment 13632816 ryanmkeane said:
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a solid OL class in this year's draft, I wouldn't part with any high picks for this guy.


I totally understand not parting with a high pick, but counting on the OL in the draft is part of what got us in this mess in the first place. Premium OL picks aren't a guarantee to work out and I prefer we draft players, not positions.
Why make this trade  
Tuckrule : 10/6/2017 10:48 am : link
All it will do is help us win 1 or 2 games. We should just play out the year get our draft picks and rebuild. Don't trade for an aging high priced left tackle.
Sure  
Gman11 : 10/6/2017 10:51 am : link
trade him for a draft pick. Pay him $9 million. Then put him on IR when the pulls a hammy.

They should have made a desperation move in the preseason when it was obvious they need help on the line.
Giantology  
ryanmkeane : 10/6/2017 10:53 am : link
I see what you're saying. But we are 0-4. Parting with a high pick for an aging lineman (no matter how good) probably isn't the best way to go. We passed on OL the past 2 drafts.
RE: RE: The 'desperation' and 'save their ass' posts are funny  
jcn56 : 10/6/2017 10:58 am : link
In comment 13632794 HomerJones45 said:
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You guys realize that Mara signs off on these moves, right? Do you think that whatever our record is, Chris Mara is leaving the team? And with him there regardless, do you think he'd sign off on some desperation move that could hurt the team if the only aim was a longshot to save people's jobs?

Think before you post people... The chances of this being true are highly unlikely in the first place, but even if, it's not two guys in a vacuum jeopardizing the team's long term future without anyone holding them in check.

Yes, No and Yes. They don't want to look like fools after spending 200 million, handing the reins over to a novice and keeping Jerry Reach.


Man, you love your talking points. I can imagine you're similarly useless in conversations about political and current evennts.
I hinted at this two weeks ago...  
Slade : 10/6/2017 11:04 am : link
Don't be surprised to see the Giants make a deal with another team instead...
It depends on how much the guy has in the tank  
David B. : 10/6/2017 11:04 am : link
Getting a starting quality OLT via trade is FINE with me if they get a few seasons out of the guy.

Given the Giants propensity for miss evaluating OL prospects, not spending high picks on OLs with high floors and modest ceilings, and for standing-pat and letting people trade in front of them and pick their pockets, getting an immediate starter at OLT would be a nice pickup, so long as it isn't a costly, one-year rental. Think BEYOND this year. There's no guarantee they're going to be able to upgrade the position via FA (the Giants already know who will be available), OR get an immediate upgrade via the draft.

Yeah, it would have been nice for this to have happened long ago, but maybe this guy/situation wasn't available long ago.
RE: Dumb move at this point in the season if true...  
BillKo : 10/6/2017 11:06 am : link
In comment 13632735 Britt in VA said:
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and would reek of desperation.


Or, a thank you to Eli Manning as in "we want to keep you alive for 2018."

I wouldn't make the move, haven't we even given up a low round pick for next year already?

Anything higher than a five would be a horrible decision.
Brown's agent...  
Racer : 10/6/2017 11:07 am : link
...would never float a BS rumour to try to gain a millimeter of additional leverage, would he?
The door has closed on the season  
jeff57 : 10/6/2017 11:07 am : link
No point in giving up anything of value.
RE: It depends on how much the guy has in the tank  
BillKo : 10/6/2017 11:08 am : link
In comment 13632874 David B. said:
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Getting a starting quality OLT via trade is FINE with me if they get a few seasons out of the guy.

Given the Giants propensity for miss evaluating OL prospects, not spending high picks on OLs with high floors and modest ceilings, and for standing-pat and letting people trade in front of them and pick their pockets, getting an immediate starter at OLT would be a nice pickup, so long as it isn't a costly, one-year rental. Think BEYOND this year. There's no guarantee they're going to be able to upgrade the position via FA (the Giants already know who will be available), OR get an immediate upgrade via the draft.

Yeah, it would have been nice for this to have happened long ago, but maybe this guy/situation wasn't available long ago.


Actually, a pretty good point. Esp if you feel in next year's draft, no one will be ready to step in at LT....which is one of the toughest positions to nail down.

This guy could conceivably play 3-4 more years.
RE: The door has closed on the season  
SGMen : 10/6/2017 11:11 am : link
In comment 13632881 jeff57 said:
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No point in giving up anything of value.
I'd give up a 5th rounder, no more, but f we sign him say today (hypothetically), he likely would not be ready to play until AFTER the bye week. He may even struggle in a new offense, veteran or not. Had he been through camp and then held out it would be a more viable trade.

I just don't see how this is good for a guy who will be 33. Maybe he has 2 years left in him? And what do you do with Flowers? Sit him? He isn't moving to RT or RG.

Smoke here...that is all.
RE: RE: RE: The 'desperation' and 'save their ass' posts are funny  
HomerJones45 : 10/6/2017 11:13 am : link
In comment 13632862 jcn56 said:
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You guys realize that Mara signs off on these moves, right? Do you think that whatever our record is, Chris Mara is leaving the team? And with him there regardless, do you think he'd sign off on some desperation move that could hurt the team if the only aim was a longshot to save people's jobs?

Think before you post people... The chances of this being true are highly unlikely in the first place, but even if, it's not two guys in a vacuum jeopardizing the team's long term future without anyone holding them in check.

Yes, No and Yes. They don't want to look like fools after spending 200 million, handing the reins over to a novice and keeping Jerry Reach.



Man, you love your talking points. I can imagine you're similarly useless in conversations about political and current evennts.
Sorry Reese and MacAdoo are making you and your predictions look clueless. You'll learn how things work as you gain more experience in the world.
Actually, save for last year  
jcn56 : 10/6/2017 11:22 am : link
they're both kinda picking up from where they left off with TC, frontloading the losses instead.
It would also take a few weeks  
Carl in CT : 10/6/2017 11:57 am : link
Before Brown is ready to play. You are not doing this for this year. Sonthink teice.
RE: Not so sure how reputable this site is  
OdellBeckhamJr : 10/6/2017 12:11 pm : link
In comment 13632716 jcn56 said:
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Sports Talk 360 is a privately run website run by a couple of lads who love their NFL. The Sports Talk 360 team are a dedicated couple of lads who seek to bring you all the News and Rumours in the world of the NFL.






You guys actually believe this shit? Lmaooo
LOL  
annexOPR : 10/6/2017 12:25 pm : link
yeah now trade for an aging vet at 0-4 ... the season is lost, keep the picks

Great job Reese
Not now this should have been done in free agency  
Bluesbreaker : 10/6/2017 12:30 pm : link
Would've been great to
Metnut : 9:37 am : link : reply
make this trade 3 weeks ago. Trading futures to save this season at 0-4 is a risky move. Even a 10-2 finish wouldn't guarantee playoffs.ere not going 10-2 so no sense in
spending picks on a 30 yo .
Go after a pass rusher of O-lineman next year free agency
makes no sense right now . If he was 3-4 years younger
I would say go for it.
I dont see the point now  
UConn4523 : 10/6/2017 12:38 pm : link
unless it's for minimal assets.
This reeks of desperation.  
Bubba : 10/6/2017 12:38 pm : link
Win now attitude? Doubt getting him at any cost is going to salvage the season at this point.
RE: This reeks of desperation.  
annexOPR : 10/6/2017 12:45 pm : link
In comment 13632996 Bubba said:
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Win now attitude? Doubt getting him at any cost is going to salvage the season at this point.


all this stupid move does is lose draft picks while "helping" this team win just enough to lose a top 10 1st rounder

the season is over - this move needed to happen in July
people falling hook line and sinker with this  
micky : 10/6/2017 12:50 pm : link
lmao
If True, Seems Like a Look Toward Next Year,  
clatterbuck : 10/6/2017 12:52 pm : link
considering Brown wouldn't be available to play until the second half of the season. Maybe team thinks it could get a couple of years out of him coinciding with Eli's window?
Too late  
Sy'56 : 10/6/2017 1:03 pm : link
No more picks should be given up, they are already down 1
I say do it  
ZGiants98 : 10/6/2017 1:05 pm : link
For no other reason than to assess what other players on the line might look like in their correct positions, evaluate the run game better, and see what Eli could truly do in this offense with a bit more time.

We will have zero answers if we go into the offseason with what we have.
RE: Dumb move at this point in the season if true...  
bradshaw44 : 10/6/2017 1:07 pm : link
In comment 13632735 Britt in VA said:
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and would reek of desperation.


This. If they leverage the future on a season that is undoubtedly lost, then this organization has officially come off the rails.
ZGiants  
Bubba : 10/6/2017 1:08 pm : link
Hard to believe we are discussing the off season in early Oct. Sad but true.
I’d be ok giving up a 6th  
Simms11 : 10/6/2017 1:29 pm : link
or even a 5th for a starting LT. If Reese could get him for that, I would be ok with that. Having a guy on the left side capable of stabilizing the Oline going into later part of this year and next might be well worth while. Remember,they have to rebuild the Oline anyway and why not get a jump on FA now, rather then compete for services later. How’s that worked out with OLineman? Problem is twofold however. One we have to be able to sign him to a 3-4 year contract and two, we will have to move Flowers to another position he has never played in the pros!
My heart says yes and my head says no.  
Heisenberg : 10/6/2017 1:44 pm : link
I'd love to see a different LT out there soon but it's too late to make sense at this point.
How much does he have in the tank?  
AcesUp : 10/6/2017 1:53 pm : link
If he can be counted on for a few years, I'd be ok giving him a Whitworth-esque contract and the Texans a high Day 3 pick. We haven't been able to get a +starter at that position since Diehl started to decline. Beggers can't be choosers.

If he's just a short term bandaid? No thanks, no pick. Duane Brown isn't winning this team the Lombardi this year and it reeks of a desperation play by a FO that fears for its job. Clawing our way to 8-8 for a guy that won't benefit the franchise longterm isn't in our best interest.
What is the point at this stage of the season?  
Matt M. : 10/6/2017 1:53 pm : link
Unless it is really intended for next year, how do you expect an OL who hasn't practiced since last year to come in week 6 or later of a dismal season and make any impact?
RE: How much does he have in the tank?  
siena16 : 10/6/2017 2:05 pm : link
In comment 13633103 AcesUp said:
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If he can be counted on for a few years, I'd be ok giving him a Whitworth-esque contract and the Texans a high Day 3 pick. We haven't been able to get a +starter at that position since Diehl started to decline. Beggers can't be choosers.

If he's just a short term bandaid? No thanks, no pick. Duane Brown isn't winning this team the Lombardi this year and it reeks of a desperation play by a FO that fears for its job. Clawing our way to 8-8 for a guy that won't benefit the franchise longterm isn't in our best interest.


Exactly, The Horse is out of the barn. Now this poor GM wants to fix something that's way too late so he can get up in his presser during the bye week and say, "We always trying to upgrade at all positions during the season". People who think Reese is a effective GM need their thought process reviewed
Any chance we can include McAdoo in the trade ?  
averagejoe : 10/6/2017 2:06 pm : link
as a throw in with a 4th round pick ? His keen mind can help Texans offense not score .
Whitworth got $15M guaranteed over three years...  
Torrag : 10/6/2017 2:27 pm : link
...and is the better player. But yeah we shouldn't have made him the #1 offseason priority. Reese is stupid.
Chances are  
Earl the goat : 10/6/2017 2:43 pm : link
Giants will finish 4-12
That's going to be a high 2nd and 3rd rounder for a 32yo 9milluon plus LT

Please don't do it
If we lose  
TommyWiseau : 10/6/2017 2:58 pm : link
to the chargers we are looking at 4 and 12 for sure. Let's see what happens this week before we make a trade for a LT.
I would have made this move  
Chris684 : 10/6/2017 2:58 pm : link
Monday morning after the Dallas game before we pissed everything away. Now? It's too risky giving up assets at 0-4 with a bunch of guys injured and the hard part of the schedule still coming up.
Hell of a time  
UberAlias : 10/6/2017 3:09 pm : link
To make a win now move.
...we are 0-4  
BleedBlue : 10/6/2017 3:22 pm : link
not 0-10

regardless of what the numbers say you go ONE game at a time. the first four were REALLY good teams....every game on schedule left is winnable....why cant we rip off 6 in a row to get to 6-4??? this is the nfl....one game at a time. i make this move for a 4th rounder AT most. wouldnt trade a high pick, but 4+ id jump on it. 3rd would take me longer to think about. if this gives us a better chance of winning now, you do it....then in april we can go a different route ie barkley and use 2nd and 3rd rouders on OL and really sets us up well for 2018.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The 'desperation' and 'save their ass' posts are funny  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/6/2017 3:22 pm : link
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You guys realize that Mara signs off on these moves, right? Do you think that whatever our record is, Chris Mara is leaving the team? And with him there regardless, do you think he'd sign off on some desperation move that could hurt the team if the only aim was a longshot to save people's jobs?

Think before you post people... The chances of this being true are highly unlikely in the first place, but even if, it's not two guys in a vacuum jeopardizing the team's long term future without anyone holding them in check.

Yes, No and Yes. They don't want to look like fools after spending 200 million, handing the reins over to a novice and keeping Jerry Reach.



Man, you love your talking points. I can imagine you're similarly useless in conversations about political and current evennts.

Sorry Reese and MacAdoo are making you and your predictions look clueless. You'll learn how things work as you gain more experience in the world.

If you only understood how ironic it is for you to call anyone else clueless, the world might reverse on its axis.
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81_Great_Dane : 10/6/2017 3:32 pm : link
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make this trade 3 weeks ago. Trading futures to save this season at 0-4 is a risky move. Even a 10-2 finish wouldn't guarantee playoffs.
Agree that it's risky, and they should have made the move before. Also, it'll take him a while to learn the offense and contribute -- he's probably not going to do much to help before the bye week.

That said, we can't both scream for O-line help and say we shouldn't go after O-line help. The season's teetering and it's not a month old yet. Yes, a 10-2 finish wouldn't guarantee playoffs, but 6-6 finish guarantees no playoffs. The front office has to show the players and fans that they're really committed to winning, every year.
Go get him  
Since1965 : 10/6/2017 4:26 pm : link
Something needs go be done to upgrade. Get him on the field ASAP. There's still a lot of football left.
Seems weird to go looking for a trade at 0-4  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/6/2017 4:36 pm : link
You were sold on this OL 4 games ago. This was supposed to be a year in which you built on 11-5 and you thought this OL was good enough. 4 games and now looking for trades?

RE: Seems weird to go looking for a trade at 0-4  
jcn56 : 10/6/2017 4:41 pm : link
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You were sold on this OL 4 games ago. This was supposed to be a year in which you built on 11-5 and you thought this OL was good enough. 4 games and now looking for trades?


We're deep into the thread now, but look up a bit, the source on this rumour is somewhat cheeky.
Great strategy  
Jimmy Googs : 10/6/2017 4:43 pm : link
Close the barn door after the cow has left...
I'm torn. I don't want Eli getting killed  
widmerseyebrow : 10/6/2017 4:54 pm : link
But it's obviously a bad idea to add (especially) an offensive lineman 4 games into a season expecting to keep your championship hopes alive.

Maybe it's getting close to accepting that the championship window was never really there with this line. It's hard to expect the acquisition of two to four good starters in the next offseason or two when this front office hasn't been able to do that in the last 7 years.
RE: hopefully Reese  
old man : 10/6/2017 9:03 pm : link
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isn't allowed to do anything stupid in a desperate attempt to save his job.

Might be Mara's desperate attempt to still win games(in my Bob Uecker voice: JUST a bit late).
We don't draft that well anyway  
Rjanyg : 10/6/2017 9:33 pm : link
This is about getting an good LT. Send them a 3rd rounder, get their 5th rounder. You guys act like we hit on all our picks.
I understand 0-4  
joeinpa : 10/6/2017 9:40 pm : link
Is very discouraging. But the tone of certainty with which many of you use in declaring the season over, is ironic when you consider the condemnation directed towards Certain players like JPP for quitting.

I d say there s a lot of quit on this board.

By the way if Giants win Sunday and the Cowboys get their third loss, or Eagles get their second. Please son t jump back on the wagon.
Giants have developed institutional arrogance  
mdc1 : 10/7/2017 9:28 am : link
and the past several seasons have magnified this greatly. Not sure if it is the owners influencing decisions around personnel eval and selection or simply not getting it right in this age of the NFL in which athletes are faster and the game has changed quite a bit.
RE: Giants have developed institutional arrogance  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/7/2017 12:36 pm : link
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"institutional arrogance" requires a bit more clarification. Every team in the league has a philosophy they stick to. You could say this for just about any franchise.
I agree with Will,  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/7/2017 12:44 pm : link
you have to factor that they cant get it right at OT with a 1st rounder, Flowers, Pugh.

I can stomach a 3rd for Brown and am ok paying him. Especially since they wont be paying flowers and possibly Pugh big money. I dont think PUgh is worth big money as a OG or OT.

They have Eli for 2 years. Bring him on. Its like having Duane brown for Odigizuwa.
RE: I agree with Will,  
jcn56 : 10/7/2017 12:52 pm : link
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you have to factor that they cant get it right at OT with a 1st rounder, Flowers, Pugh.

I can stomach a 3rd for Brown and am ok paying him. Especially since they wont be paying flowers and possibly Pugh big money. I dont think PUgh is worth big money as a OG or OT.

They have Eli for 2 years. Bring him on. Its like having Duane brown for Odigizuwa.


Not quite, because you also have to give Brown a hefty raise in addition to giving up the third to acquire him. That's what makes the premise difficult, if it were only for a third rounder he'd be gone by now.
The OL is where they should be spending big FA money  
Go Terps : 10/7/2017 2:16 pm : link
It stands to reason, since they struggle to draft well there.

The problem is we've spent big money where we draft well: defensive line.
so where are all the headlines about this today  
micky : 10/7/2017 2:21 pm : link
you know if it were "true" there'd be headlines or other outlets talking about this?
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pjcas18 : 10/7/2017 2:27 pm : link
RE: The OL is where they should be spending big FA money  
widmerseyebrow : 10/7/2017 2:29 pm : link
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It stands to reason, since they struggle to draft well there.

The problem is we've spent big money where we draft well: defensive line.


They struggle to select quality free agents as well. They need to identify the weaknesses of their talent evaluation before they commit any kind of premium picks or cap space to the position.

Also,do we draft well on the defensive line, namely end? Save for one or two seasons of your favorite player JPP, I would argue that we've been pretty weak there as well since Tuck and Umenyiora got old and retired, left.
RE: RE: Giants have developed institutional arrogance  
Carson53 : 10/7/2017 5:30 pm : link
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"institutional arrogance" requires a bit more clarification. Every team in the league has a philosophy they stick to. You could say this for just about any franchise.
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How 'bout not firing a GM since 1979, does that qualify?
You can't say that about other franchise in the 4 major sports, let alone franchises in the NFL!
It is absolutely ludicrous to me.
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section125 : 10/7/2017 5:40 pm : link
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"institutional arrogance" requires a bit more clarification. Every team in the league has a philosophy they stick to. You could say this for just about any franchise.

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How 'bout not firing a GM since 1979, does that qualify?
You can't say that about other franchise in the 4 major sports, let alone franchises in the NFL!
It is absolutely ludicrous to me.


Stability is ludicrous? The Steelers have had 3 head coaches since 1969, iirc....
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Carson53 : 10/7/2017 5:54 pm : link
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"institutional arrogance" requires a bit more clarification. Every team in the league has a philosophy they stick to. You could say this for just about any franchise.

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How 'bout not firing a GM since 1979, does that qualify?
You can't say that about other franchise in the 4 major sports, let alone franchises in the NFL!
It is absolutely ludicrous to me.



Stability is ludicrous? The Steelers have had 3 head coaches since 1969, iirc....
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When it's not working it is, not saying go all Cleveland Browns around here, but it hasn't been working.
Stability around these parts is also a synonym for stubbornness, and you picked the one franchise who are
like two peas in a pod with this franchise in a lot of ways.
What about the other 4 major sports, they all have it wrong,
and the Giants have it right, got it now.
Patience and/or stability are not synonyms for stubbornness.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/7/2017 7:53 pm : link
It kind of makes it seem like you don't actually have a sense of perspective for how very unsuccessful almost every other franchise in the NFL has been in the same timeframe.

Who are the franchises who have impressed you with their management style, and how successful are they? Who do you feel does it right or better? Because every team blows draft picks, or has a deficiency in some area. We can argue left and right about what you think the giants got wrong or right here and there and there are things they absolutely do poorly, but if you legitimately feel like things are just so dreadful, you should spend some time around other franchises and see the things they screw up and the consistent futility.

Nobody should be happy with the results for the Giants in 2017 so far, but one should take a hard look at how other places do it and how well that's worked out over the past 13 years before going 'woe is me' over how the Giants operate.
What is so disconcerting about this team is how completely  
Jimmy Googs : 10/7/2017 8:15 pm : link
"unready" they were to start this season and the 1st QTR of every game thus far.

And we are not talking about that many new players getting snaps.

Coaches have to look hard at themselves on this one because those players aren't ready for work when the Star Spangled Banner finishes...

RE: Patience and/or stability are not synonyms for stubbornness.  
Carson53 : 10/7/2017 9:47 pm : link
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It kind of makes it seem like you don't actually have a sense of perspective for how very unsuccessful almost every other franchise in the NFL has been in the same timeframe.

Who are the franchises who have impressed you with their management style, and how successful are they? Who do you feel does it right or better? Because every team blows draft picks, or has a deficiency in some area. We can argue left and right about what you think the giants got wrong or right here and there and there are things they absolutely do poorly, but if you legitimately feel like things are just so dreadful, you should spend some time around other franchises and see the things they screw up and the consistent futility.

Nobody should be happy with the results for the Giants in 2017 so far, but one should take a hard look at how other places do it and how well that's worked out over the past 13 years before going 'woe is me' over how the Giants operate.
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You will change your tune when you have watched this organization a lot longer than you have presently.
I am not saying 'woe is me', saying it is a philosophical difference in my view. It started a few years ago for me.
You are wrong in presuming it's about 2017, very wrong in fact.
When you are not going to make the playoffs, 6 out 8 years, doesn't appear to be working. It appears that is stubbornness, do you have a better word for it, use it.
If you like the 'stability' that goes with that, good for you! A lot of people have wanted the GM gone, so I am far from alone on here in that regard.
He has fucked up twice in the last 5 years, but let's
have stability. Some of you have the fear of the unknown,
I don't subscribe to that mindset.
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Jim in Forest Hills : 10/8/2017 9:57 am : link
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you have to factor that they cant get it right at OT with a 1st rounder, Flowers, Pugh.

IMO Is rather those cap dollars go to Brown than Flowers or Pugh, that’s how I justify it.
I can stomach a 3rd for Brown and am ok paying him. Especially since they wont be paying flowers and possibly Pugh big money. I dont think PUgh is worth big money as a OG or OT.

They have Eli for 2 years. Bring him on. Its like having Duane brown for Odigizuwa.



Not quite, because you also have to give Brown a hefty raise in addition to giving up the third to acquire him. That's what makes the premise difficult, if it were only for a third rounder he'd be gone by now.
Hate to give  
XBRONX : 10/8/2017 10:10 am : link
up a third round pick, Jerry has done so well in that round.
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