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jc in c-ville : 10/6/2017 9:34 am
Can't link from work laptop but read on cell phone.

sportstalk360.com states that the Giants reached out to inquire about LT Duane Brown who continues to hold out.

He was scheduled to make 9.4 million and wants more.

What is the cost (trade) for someone like this? 2/3 rounder?

Move Flowers to G where he is better suited in the NFL?

He has actually looked better the past two years but obviously isn't the future for LT.
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Last two games  
jc in c-ville : 10/6/2017 9:35 am : link
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He's 32 and wants more $  
Giantology : 10/6/2017 9:36 am : link
so I'd hope we don't give up anything like a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
Linked  
jcn56 : 10/6/2017 9:37 am : link
I'd be surprised - this season seems to be tanked, no sense in giving up anything more than a 3rd given the fact that he wants a hefty raise to boot.
http://sportstalk360.com/ - ( New Window )
Would've been great to  
Metnut : 10/6/2017 9:37 am : link
make this trade 3 weeks ago. Trading futures to save this season at 0-4 is a risky move. Even a 10-2 finish wouldn't guarantee playoffs.
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CoughlinHandsonHips : 10/6/2017 9:37 am : link
At 0-4, I think it may be too late to be making trades. The Gmen would have to go on quite a run to make the playoffs, and there are roster deficiencies at positions outside of LT
Not so sure how reputable this site is  
jcn56 : 10/6/2017 9:38 am : link
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Sports Talk 360 is a privately run website run by a couple of lads who love their NFL. The Sports Talk 360 team are a dedicated couple of lads who seek to bring you all the News and Rumours in the world of the NFL.

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Mdgiantsfan : 10/6/2017 9:39 am : link
How good is he?

But with the season in shambles, I'd be hesitant to give up a high pick and/or use a lot cap space for a 32 year old Tackle. If we were a good Tackle away from making a serious SB push or he were younger and could be our LT for the next 5+ years, then I'd be all in.
RE: Would've been great to  
Beer Man : 10/6/2017 9:39 am : link
In comment 13632713 Metnut said:
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make this trade 3 weeks ago. Trading futures to save this season at 0-4 is a risky move. Even a 10-2 finish wouldn't guarantee playoffs.
Agree, but put yourself in Jerry's and Mac's shoes, who both should know that they could be fired at season's end if things don't turn around. Jerry is trying to save his job, not the season.
RE: Not so sure how reputable this site is  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 9:41 am : link
In comment 13632716 jcn56 said:
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Sports Talk 360 is a privately run website run by a couple of lads who love their NFL. The Sports Talk 360 team are a dedicated couple of lads who seek to bring you all the News and Rumours in the world of the NFL.


Lads? Rumours? So they're in the UK, I take it. I'm sure they have their finger on the pulse of the Giants.
RE: Not so sure how reputable this site is  
BigBlueShock : 10/6/2017 9:41 am : link
In comment 13632716 jcn56 said:
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Sports Talk 360 is a privately run website run by a couple of lads who love their NFL. The Sports Talk 360 team are a dedicated couple of lads who seek to bring you all the News and Rumours in the world of the NFL.




Huh. They seem like a fine couple of lads
RE: Linked  
tbonfig : 10/6/2017 9:42 am : link
In comment 13632712 jcn56 said:
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I'd be surprised - this season seems to be tanked, no sense in giving up anything more than a 3rd given the fact that he wants a hefty raise to boot. http://sportstalk360.com/ - ( New Window )


Yeah, but it's not like anyone in the division is running away with it after the first quarter of the season.
This Smells of the Beason  
Bernie : 10/6/2017 9:43 am : link
move a few years back. No thanks at this point.
In any case, despite what a lot of people here think  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 9:46 am : link
There's much more wrong with this team than just a left tackle. Is Duane Brown going to play defense, too? Because they would have won both of the last two games if the defense could have gotten the job done late in the game.
RE: This Smells of the Beason  
jcn56 : 10/6/2017 9:48 am : link
In comment 13632726 Bernie said:
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move a few years back. No thanks at this point.


Beason was acquired for practically nothing, the problem was he was oft-injured and remained that way.

Brown's a solid tackle - but approaching 33 years old, making almost $10M a year and wants a raise. How you justify handing over a 3rd round pick (which might be closer to the 2nd round than we'd like) for the right to pay him more money is beyond me.
Dumb move at this point in the season if true...  
Britt in VA : 10/6/2017 9:50 am : link
and would reek of desperation.
RE: RE: Not so sure how reputable this site is  
jcn56 : 10/6/2017 9:51 am : link
In comment 13632722 Greg from LI said:
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Sports Talk 360 is a privately run website run by a couple of lads who love their NFL. The Sports Talk 360 team are a dedicated couple of lads who seek to bring you all the News and Rumours in the world of the NFL.




Lads? Rumours? So they're in the UK, I take it. I'm sure they have their finger on the pulse of the Giants.


Well, they could also be Canadians, which, um, I guess is better?

Hmm.  
AcidTest : 10/6/2017 9:52 am : link
Let's count the reasons not to do this for anything more than a day three pick. Brown is 32, wants a boatload of money, hasn't played all year, we're 0-4, and as Greg said, there are many other problems with this team aside from the OL.

This is just desperation. At least Beason only cost a seventh round pick. The Texans want their second round pick back that they had to give to the Browns to get rid of Osweiler. And they know our second round pick will be very high.
The mistake with Beason wasn’t for trading for him  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 9:52 am : link
it was giving him a new contract after that

And I agree, what’s the point of giving up draft picks now at 0-4?
If we give up anything more than a 6th  
chuckydee9 : 10/6/2017 9:53 am : link
this is a horrible move.. we are 0-4.. our OL is playing as well as should have been expected at the start of the season.. if anything should have been done it should've happened before 0-4 hole.. Now trading away future just so we can win 6 -8 games this season is not good for the long term.. Also how are we going to afford him we have to sign some really good players soon like Collins, OBJ and Pugh..

A trade at this point would be a huge negative..
pushes pugh back to guard for a few games  
idiotsavant : 10/6/2017 9:53 am : link
before the old veteran gets injured.

which..., pugh was a little light for guard so....

I would hardly ever give up draft picks, nah, not for old players especially
Giants need to hang on to their premium picks  
JonC : 10/6/2017 9:54 am : link
like they're gold bricks.
RE: RE: Would've been great to  
an_idol_mind : 10/6/2017 9:54 am : link
In comment 13632720 Beer Man said:
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make this trade 3 weeks ago. Trading futures to save this season at 0-4 is a risky move. Even a 10-2 finish wouldn't guarantee playoffs.

Agree, but put yourself in Jerry's and Mac's shoes, who both should know that they could be fired at season's end if things don't turn around. Jerry is trying to save his job, not the season.


Fair point. Playoffs is very unlikely right now, but Reese and McAdoo probably know that a 7-9 or 8-8 record can save their jobs.
meaning the player traded for, injury risk  
idiotsavant : 10/6/2017 9:54 am : link
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RE: Not so sure how reputable this site is  
GiantGolfer : 10/6/2017 9:55 am : link
In comment 13632716 jcn56 said:
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Sports Talk 360 is a privately run website run by a couple of lads who love their NFL. The Sports Talk 360 team are a dedicated couple of lads who seek to bring you all the News and Rumours in the world of the NFL.





Thread over.
Mfsd  
joeinpa : 10/6/2017 9:55 am : link
Because coaches, GM s, players and owners, don t think like fans who give up with 75% of the regular season left.
The 'desperation' and 'save their ass' posts are funny  
jcn56 : 10/6/2017 9:58 am : link
You guys realize that Mara signs off on these moves, right? Do you think that whatever our record is, Chris Mara is leaving the team? And with him there regardless, do you think he'd sign off on some desperation move that could hurt the team if the only aim was a longshot to save people's jobs?

Think before you post people... The chances of this being true are highly unlikely in the first place, but even if, it's not two guys in a vacuum jeopardizing the team's long term future without anyone holding them in check.
RE: Mfsd  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 9:59 am : link
In comment 13632746 joeinpa said:
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Because coaches, GM s, players and owners, don t think like fans who give up with 75% of the regular season left.


So you advocate giving up a premium draft pick for a 32 year old left tackle who’s been holding out through 4 games already?
No  
joeinpa : 10/6/2017 10:00 am : link
I m a fan. I don t think it s worth it.
Something to consider  
WillVAB : 10/6/2017 10:04 am : link
It's not just about this year. The OL sucks and there are no attractive FA's at OL next year. There's a legitimate possibility we could be heading into the draft with Flowers, Jerry, Fluker, and Hart as the only experienced guys on the roster. Think about that.

Adding Brown would definitely help this year -- Brown-Flowers-Richberg-Fluker-Pugh is something we can work with. But it also hedges against a guy or two leaving next year, and gives Eli a quality LT to protect his blindside for the rest of his career.
Stay the course  
The_Boss : 10/6/2017 10:07 am : link
No need for a 32/33 year old LT on an 0-4 team with the meat of the schedule ahead. Take our medicine this year (in the form of 4/5 win season) and move on. If this year results in the NYG finding a true franchise qb to succeed Eli, we’ll be better off in the long run. Remember, this is still the 6th youngest roster in the league (youngest in the division).
And re: giving up a 3rd rounder  
WillVAB : 10/6/2017 10:08 am : link
Why not? Brown is better than any 3rd rounder Reese has selected.
RE: No  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 10:08 am : link
In comment 13632749 joeinpa said:
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I m a fan. I don t think it s worth it.


You make a fair point - we as fans want to see the Giants rebuilt into a team that can contend for several years. Players, coaches, GMs want to win games now bc they’re playing/working to keep their jobs for next season.

Our general reaction is don’t mortgage a premium pick at this point - but whether or not this is true, im sure Mac and Reese care a lot more about figuring out how to go 9-7 with a strong finish so they keep their jobs
I guess they could be Canadian  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 10:10 am : link
To me, though, "lads" is a British expression. You don't often hear that word from the colonials, whether they're American or Canadian.
I advocated this move at the end of pre-season  
PatersonPlank : 10/6/2017 10:10 am : link
It would be a smart trade for us. We can't just stay the course with the OL. If we think he has a few years left, like 3, then do it. Give them a 3rd if thats what they want. Then in the draft we can take another top OL player and the line will be revamped.
If You Need a Good Offensive Lineman (or Two, or Three)  
Bob in Vt : 10/6/2017 10:12 am : link
Trading makes sense ... IF your scouting department absolutely sucks at evaluating offensive linemen talent.

And the Giants suck at evaluating OL talent in the draft.
Would be a waste at this stage  
hitdog42 : 10/6/2017 10:15 am : link
Pointless
I'd be fine handing them a #3 pick  
JonC : 10/6/2017 10:16 am : link
but not thrilled with paying for the privilege of handing a 32 yr old a sizable extension on top of it.
He is a warrior , Has a mean streak  
Elite Mobster #32 : 10/6/2017 10:16 am : link
Giants need to get some swag

Give Him is Cage Too !!
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3 weeks too late  
spike : 10/6/2017 10:22 am : link
No thx
His age does not bother me...  
Capt. Don : 10/6/2017 10:22 am : link
Tackles can play well into their mid 30s and he has never been injury prone (missed 12 games in 9 years).

Although it wouldve been great to have done this earlier, the Texans may not have been open to it until now.

This year is probably lost but if he could play at good level for 3 more years I think you do it to get the most out of Eli.
If true, Jerry would be doing it just to save his job  
widmerseyebrow : 10/6/2017 10:25 am : link
If this move was ever a serious consideration, the conclusion of training camp or preseason was the time to do it. They knew what they had then.
This is why players have Visors  
Elite Mobster #32 : 10/6/2017 10:25 am : link
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RE: The 'desperation' and 'save their ass' posts are funny  
HomerJones45 : 10/6/2017 10:25 am : link
In comment 13632747 jcn56 said:
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You guys realize that Mara signs off on these moves, right? Do you think that whatever our record is, Chris Mara is leaving the team? And with him there regardless, do you think he'd sign off on some desperation move that could hurt the team if the only aim was a longshot to save people's jobs?

Think before you post people... The chances of this being true are highly unlikely in the first place, but even if, it's not two guys in a vacuum jeopardizing the team's long term future without anyone holding them in check.
Yes, No and Yes. They don't want to look like fools after spending 200 million, handing the reins over to a novice and keeping Jerry Reach.
I would give no  
TommyWiseau : 10/6/2017 10:26 am : link
More then a 5th round pick, either move Flowers to Guard or RT and see what we can do. Remember we are going to have to pay him big $$ as well as trade a pick
wait!  
I Love Clams Casino : 10/6/2017 10:30 am : link
Chris Mara signs off on these?

I thought he just drank a lot?
Isn't this guy  
ryanmkeane : 10/6/2017 10:38 am : link
always hurt? I'd part with a 5th.
What is wrong with you people?  
Jon in NYC : 10/6/2017 10:38 am : link
Of course it's desperation. The team is 0-4. I can't believe most of you want to sit there and do nothing.
RE: Would be a waste at this stage  
Capt. Don : 10/6/2017 10:39 am : link
In comment 13632774 hitdog42 said:
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Pointless


It would be pointless if he were playing out the last year in his contract. But it wouldnt be pointless if we could secure him for the next three years.
RE: Isn't this guy  
Kevin in Annapolis : 10/6/2017 10:39 am : link
In comment 13632808 ryanmkeane said:
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always hurt? I'd part with a 5th.


From just a few posts above

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he has never been injury prone (missed 12 games in 9 years).
With  
ryanmkeane : 10/6/2017 10:39 am : link
a solid OL class in this year's draft, I wouldn't part with any high picks for this guy.
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