is 100% the problem. I've been harping on here for some time that the primary problem isn't a lack of creativity on offense, but a lack of discipline and execution. I get frustrated to no end seeing early mistakes in the blocking game. From the FO article discussed earlier:
Tell my why Jerry's first movement at the snap is AWAY from the blocker he's assigned to combo block with Flowers?
Why is Flowers first step towards the blocker that Richburg is supposed to pick up? On what planet is he supposed to recover from that move to pick up a speedy edge defender on the outside? He struggles with those when he goes straight at them?
Why does Perkins take a step away in the opposite direction of the play before turning for the handoff? Is he supposed to be "fooling" either the end or a LB who is keying on him? There are literally no other elements of confusion in this play, and the result is that Perkins has given the unblocked edge defender an extra two steps toward catching him from behind.
When I watch these things it makes me think that there are too many fixes needed, and given the time these players have had in the system, there isn't reason to believe fixes are on their way.
Having said all of that, this one exchange from yesterday's McAdoo press conference gives me hope.
Quote:
Q: Why did you eliminate the music from practice?
A: I didn’t eliminate the music from practice.
Q: I guess there were periods that previously had music that did not today.
A: We structured practice a little bit differently with when we do and when we don’t play music. During periods where there are fundamental emphasis and team emphasis as far as the scheme and getting the details right, we cut the music so our focus and concentration can go up, and we will re-introduce it later in the week.
One thing I know as a math educator - people simply cannot concentrate and learn when instructed with music playing. Although playing music may be popular with the players, and may even result in better practices, it is NOT helping players learn and understand what is being taught. This may turn out to be one of the best lessons McAdoo learns in his young coaching career. Turn the music off when you want to teach. And coaching is mostly teaching. Turn the music back on when you want players to perform.
Maybe, just maybe, we will have fewer mistakes this week. Maybe players will begin to understand what they're being told. I'm going to hold out hope for this.
And the roster analysis is an indictment of Reese. I hate the idea of cleaning house but it’s time. That means Manning too he should bring back decent picks in a trade. Sadly I don’t think Mara has the guts to go this route.
Not simply 0-4, but 0-2 in the division, 0-4 in the conference.
Then there's the schedule which is brutal. Still have 3 west coast trips plus another to Denver. Game against the Chiefs Seahawks Rams, etc. I think even a few against teams coming off of bye weeks.
Too much to overcome too much stacked against a team that doesn't project as one that can overcome a lot of adversity.
Yes - it's clearly too much to hope for a wild card.
I don't know about the rest of it though. We need to get on a roll. We don't have to go 12-0, we've got to be three games better than PHI, and two games better than WASH and DAL to have a chance. This weekend those numbers very easily could shrink. We need them to. This can happen.
I'm not afraid of any team on the schedule. We might lose to all of them. I've been watching a TON of football right now, and SEA or OAK don't look as scary as I thought they would going into the season. AZ is a beatable team. Even KC had their struggles going up against WASH for a while, and we get to play them at home. The Rams? Yes, they've improved, but they can be beat. DEN in Denver is a very tough draw, I admit. But it's all about getting on a roll, and in the end, a lot of these matchups will be altered by health.
It's too early to rule out the postseason altogether is my point. I'd be very afraid if Dallas was 4-0. But with them possibly at 2-3 and us at 1-4, why worry about them? We almost beat Philly a couple of weeks ago in Philly. If we're 1-4 and they're 3-2, I'm not handing them the division. They're going to have to earn it.
The FIRST game of the year was our worst so far. By a lot. That gives me hope that we're getting better.
I admit I may be alone in hoping for this. Sunday night we're either all going to be hanging our heads, or maybe, just maybe there may be more feeling like I do. This division is still up for grabs, and the Giants still have a chance, even at 0-4.
is spot on. Sad state of affairs. I would like to remain optimistic but right now the Giants are one of the worst teams in the NFL.
"... this team is as one dimensional as it gets outside of the arena league..." Perfectly stated and pathetic as all hell. The Giants are the worst running team in the NFL. Playing the Giants is like half a bye week for the opposition. They likely do not even have to wash their jerseys the Giants are so tissue paper soft on offense. The Giants have one rushing TD this year and it is Eli's. I think they have seven total rushing TD's the past two seasons and first quarter of this one. Pathetic.
I loved this defense last year, but it seems it was a flash in the pan. It is past time to blow this all up and bring in a whole new front office and coaching staff.
is spot on. Sad state of affairs. I would like to remain optimistic but right now the Giants are one of the worst teams in the NFL.
"... this team is as one dimensional as it gets outside of the arena league..." Perfectly stated and pathetic as all hell. The Giants are the worst running team in the NFL. Playing the Giants is like half a bye week for the opposition. They likely do not even have to wash their jerseys the Giants are so tissue paper soft on offense. The Giants have one rushing TD this year and it is Eli's. I think they have seven total rushing TD's the past two seasons and first quarter of this one. Pathetic.
I loved this defense last year, but it seems it was a flash in the pan.
I hope the Giants can string some wins together and keep it interesting, but I think it is more likely this whole thing bottoms out.
This team lacks talent, and a poor scouting dept/GM/ooaching triumvirate is helping it maximize it's talent.
QB-Eli is Eli. Still capable of running an offense well. I'd consider trading him to a better team to do him a solid at the end of a very good run and 2 SBs. I will always love Eli.
OL-Giants and Ravens probably have the 2 worst OLs in the league.
RB-below average. Gallman is going to be productive.
WR-really the only above-average unit on the team.
STs-well below average.
DL-below average. no depth which again is an indictment of Reese and scouting.
DBs-average. I'm not concerned about # 21. He's playing next to the worst FSs in the league. Apple does not have football intelligence. He's average at best and makes critical mistakes.
The Eagles and Bucs games could have also been worse losses. The Bucs were missing three key defenders and the Eagles lost Cox who always kills us.
LB-well below average.
together are the only area of the team that is above-average.
DBs are really being hamstrung by the problem at FS.
Thompson was over-drafted. Posters who know much more about football than I ever will were saying this from the beginning. Adams is out of position regularly. This is going to make Collins' play look worse than it is.
Take away Beckham and Eli and the 2015 Giants were worse than the 2008 Detroit Lions. They did well last year because a lot of things went right, including 3 guys on defense all having Defensive Player of the Year type seasons all at once. Now we're seeing regression to the mean there. Combined we've got one big mess and both coaching and scouting are to blame.
I don't think the DL and DBs are below average but well above average. We have three legit Pro Bowlers in the secondary. Damon Harrison is a legit Pro Bowler. JPP and Vernon are good players who are not playing well. Tomlinson has a future in this league.
I'm assuming that Vernon and JPP are either very limited or just OUT. If they are both OUT, we have zero pass rush and Rivers eats this defense up.
On offense, our OL is mediocre when healthy so now that it is dinged (W. Richburg out) who is to say we can protect Eli?
Chargers 24-23 over the Giants as we fall to 0 - 5. With Denver in Denver next, I can smell 0 - 6. Seattle won't be easy either. If we did fall to 0 - 7 at the bye, well, I wonder if there would be any firings?
There is talent on this team at qb wr te d line and db. Lbs oline and rb need improving.
But I believe this team can be fixed fairly quickly and if Eli has three good years left and the Giants commit to him theycan be the competitive team they projected at beginning of year.
Mcadoo at least needs a real oc to start. If they hire a coach that is good they will want to reboot with a new system so Giants are a bit stuck here
quite frankly the blow it up sentiment happens when Giants admit they won't chase another with Eli and Odell.
Don't think they are ready to end the chase until end of next season.
"... this team is as one dimensional as it gets outside of the arena" Â
is very true and I don't want to hear it. Many posters denounced the pursuit of "balance", wanted the 3 yards and a cloud of dust passing game, and were perfectly content to throw the ball 80% of the time. Well you got what you wanted and now that you see it sucks, you all are not happy.
Gallman is another ham and egger. Not big or powerful enough to be a Fournette or a Blount and not fast or quick enough to be a McCoy or Hunt. A rotational or role player, not a full time back. Don't put all your eggs in the Gallman basket.
But assuming they win this weekend and take either of the Denver and Seattle games... the coffin is not yet nailed shut. They will need help...but no team in the division is all that great and it is quite possible the division can be had at 9 or 10 wins.
If Eli looked like shit, I'd say it was OVER. But realistically, unless Philly goes on a run, the Giants are in it until they register the 8th loss.
Chargers activating RB Andre Williams up from practice squad Â
is 100% the problem. I've been harping on here for some time that the primary problem isn't a lack of creativity on offense, but a lack of discipline and execution. I get frustrated to no end seeing early mistakes in the blocking game. From the FO article discussed earlier:
Tell my why Jerry's first movement at the snap is AWAY from the blocker he's assigned to combo block with Flowers?
Why is Flowers first step towards the blocker that Richburg is supposed to pick up? On what planet is he supposed to recover from that move to pick up a speedy edge defender on the outside? He struggles with those when he goes straight at them?
Why does Perkins take a step away in the opposite direction of the play before turning for the handoff? Is he supposed to be "fooling" either the end or a LB who is keying on him? There are literally no other elements of confusion in this play, and the result is that Perkins has given the unblocked edge defender an extra two steps toward catching him from behind.
When I watch these things it makes me think that there are too many fixes needed, and given the time these players have had in the system, there isn't reason to believe fixes are on their way.
Having said all of that, this one exchange from yesterday's McAdoo press conference gives me hope.
A: I didn’t eliminate the music from practice.
Q: I guess there were periods that previously had music that did not today.
A: We structured practice a little bit differently with when we do and when we don’t play music. During periods where there are fundamental emphasis and team emphasis as far as the scheme and getting the details right, we cut the music so our focus and concentration can go up, and we will re-introduce it later in the week.
One thing I know as a math educator - people simply cannot concentrate and learn when instructed with music playing. Although playing music may be popular with the players, and may even result in better practices, it is NOT helping players learn and understand what is being taught. This may turn out to be one of the best lessons McAdoo learns in his young coaching career. Turn the music off when you want to teach. And coaching is mostly teaching. Turn the music back on when you want players to perform.
Maybe, just maybe, we will have fewer mistakes this week. Maybe players will begin to understand what they're being told. I'm going to hold out hope for this.
Then there's the schedule which is brutal. Still have 3 west coast trips plus another to Denver. Game against the Chiefs Seahawks Rams, etc. I think even a few against teams coming off of bye weeks.
Too much to overcome too much stacked against a team that doesn't project as one that can overcome a lot of adversity.
Yes - it's clearly too much to hope for a wild card.
I don't know about the rest of it though. We need to get on a roll. We don't have to go 12-0, we've got to be three games better than PHI, and two games better than WASH and DAL to have a chance. This weekend those numbers very easily could shrink. We need them to. This can happen.
I'm not afraid of any team on the schedule. We might lose to all of them. I've been watching a TON of football right now, and SEA or OAK don't look as scary as I thought they would going into the season. AZ is a beatable team. Even KC had their struggles going up against WASH for a while, and we get to play them at home. The Rams? Yes, they've improved, but they can be beat. DEN in Denver is a very tough draw, I admit. But it's all about getting on a roll, and in the end, a lot of these matchups will be altered by health.
It's too early to rule out the postseason altogether is my point. I'd be very afraid if Dallas was 4-0. But with them possibly at 2-3 and us at 1-4, why worry about them? We almost beat Philly a couple of weeks ago in Philly. If we're 1-4 and they're 3-2, I'm not handing them the division. They're going to have to earn it.
The FIRST game of the year was our worst so far. By a lot. That gives me hope that we're getting better.
I admit I may be alone in hoping for this. Sunday night we're either all going to be hanging our heads, or maybe, just maybe there may be more feeling like I do. This division is still up for grabs, and the Giants still have a chance, even at 0-4.
"... this team is as one dimensional as it gets outside of the arena league..." Perfectly stated and pathetic as all hell. The Giants are the worst running team in the NFL. Playing the Giants is like half a bye week for the opposition. They likely do not even have to wash their jerseys the Giants are so tissue paper soft on offense. The Giants have one rushing TD this year and it is Eli's. I think they have seven total rushing TD's the past two seasons and first quarter of this one. Pathetic.
I loved this defense last year, but it seems it was a flash in the pan. It is past time to blow this all up and bring in a whole new front office and coaching staff.
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"... this team is as one dimensional as it gets outside of the arena league..." Perfectly stated and pathetic as all hell. The Giants are the worst running team in the NFL. Playing the Giants is like half a bye week for the opposition. They likely do not even have to wash their jerseys the Giants are so tissue paper soft on offense. The Giants have one rushing TD this year and it is Eli's. I think they have seven total rushing TD's the past two seasons and first quarter of this one. Pathetic.
I loved this defense last year, but it seems it was a flash in the pan.
I hope the Giants can string some wins together and keep it interesting, but I think it is more likely this whole thing bottoms out.
QB-Eli is Eli. Still capable of running an offense well. I'd consider trading him to a better team to do him a solid at the end of a very good run and 2 SBs. I will always love Eli.
OL-Giants and Ravens probably have the 2 worst OLs in the league.
RB-below average. Gallman is going to be productive.
WR-really the only above-average unit on the team.
STs-well below average.
DL-below average. no depth which again is an indictment of Reese and scouting.
DBs-average. I'm not concerned about # 21. He's playing next to the worst FSs in the league. Apple does not have football intelligence. He's average at best and makes critical mistakes.
The Eagles and Bucs games could have also been worse losses. The Bucs were missing three key defenders and the Eagles lost Cox who always kills us.
LB-well below average.
DBs are really being hamstrung by the problem at FS.
Thompson was over-drafted. Posters who know much more about football than I ever will were saying this from the beginning. Adams is out of position regularly. This is going to make Collins' play look worse than it is.
Thanks Eric, for the dose of reality (-:
On offense, our OL is mediocre when healthy so now that it is dinged (W. Richburg out) who is to say we can protect Eli?
Chargers 24-23 over the Giants as we fall to 0 - 5. With Denver in Denver next, I can smell 0 - 6. Seattle won't be easy either. If we did fall to 0 - 7 at the bye, well, I wonder if there would be any firings?
There is talent on this team at qb wr te d line and db. Lbs oline and rb need improving.
But I believe this team can be fixed fairly quickly and if Eli has three good years left and the Giants commit to him theycan be the competitive team they projected at beginning of year.
Mcadoo at least needs a real oc to start. If they hire a coach that is good they will want to reboot with a new system so Giants are a bit stuck here
quite frankly the blow it up sentiment happens when Giants admit they won't chase another with Eli and Odell.
Don't think they are ready to end the chase until end of next season.
Gallman is another ham and egger. Not big or powerful enough to be a Fournette or a Blount and not fast or quick enough to be a McCoy or Hunt. A rotational or role player, not a full time back. Don't put all your eggs in the Gallman basket.
Forgot what a great back is. Been so long for Nyg.
Eric, been watching football for more than half a century, and no truer statement can be made for a team slip sliding away.
If Eli looked like shit, I'd say it was OVER. But realistically, unless Philly goes on a run, the Giants are in it until they register the 8th loss.
Tight Ends vs. NY Giant LBs & Safeties are a fantasy football guru's wet dream...