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NFT: ALDS Game 2 - Yankees vs. Indians

Danny Kanell : 10/6/2017 4:13 pm
Backs to the wall but I have a good feeling today. CC vs Kluber. Done with work early. Beer already in hand. Let's go Yanks!
Lot of baseball left in this series.  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 4:17 pm : link
Let's show the same resiliency we've shown all season and steal one. If not, we can still take care of business at home.
Game starts at 5:00  
Dave in PA : 10/6/2017 4:19 pm : link
How convenient
Let's go Native Americans!  
GiantFilthy : 10/6/2017 4:19 pm : link
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Lineups  
Professor Falken : 10/6/2017 4:22 pm : link
Yankees
1. Brett Gardner, LF
2. Aaron Judge, RF
3. Gary Sanchez, C
4. Didi Gregorius, SS
5. Starlin Castro, 2B
6. Greg Bird, 1B
7. Aaron Hicks, CF
8. Jacoby Ellsbury, DH
9. Todd Frazier, 3B
CC Sabathia, P

Indians
1. Francisco Lindor, SS
2. Jason Kipnis, CF
3. Jose Ramirez, 2B
4. Edwin Encarnacion, DH
5. Carlos Santana, 1B
6. Jay Bruce, RF
7. Austin Jackson, LF
8. Yan Gomes, C
9. Giovanny Urshela, 3B
Corey Kluber, P
ugh  
Sehorn : 10/6/2017 4:26 pm : link
Why Ells over Headley? Headley has had better AB's. oh well, let's hope Chief Jacoby can cash in tonight!
RE: Let's go Native Americans!  
BigBlueShock : 10/6/2017 4:42 pm : link
In comment 13633253 GiantFilthy said:
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Shouldn't you be on the Braves playoff thread?
house money if anything  
micky : 10/6/2017 4:54 pm : link
let it fly yanks
RE: ugh  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 4:56 pm : link
In comment 13633262 Sehorn said:
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Why Ells over Headley? Headley has had better AB's. oh well, let's hope Chief Jacoby can cash in tonight!


All of the movable parts in the order have HORRENDOUS numbers versus Kluber, so I think he's going with the guy he thinks is more likely to make contact today.
They need Sabathia to pitch a gem in order to win.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 4:57 pm : link
I don't mean he has to pitch deep into the game, but he can't really give up more than 1 or 2 runs.
RE: RE: ugh  
Stu11 : 10/6/2017 5:01 pm : link
In comment 13633287 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 13633262 Sehorn said:


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Why Ells over Headley? Headley has had better AB's. oh well, let's hope Chief Jacoby can cash in tonight!



All of the movable parts in the order have HORRENDOUS numbers versus Kluber, so I think he's going with the guy he thinks is more likely to make contact today.

Yep Ells is actually the best at 5-19 off him. I think he's looking for speed and maybe ignite the running game if they get a chance. Also they can PH Heads vs. Miller if need be as he's 5-7 lifetime vs. him and had a great AB last night.
In other ALDS news  
ThreePoints : 10/6/2017 5:01 pm : link
Astros feasting on the Sox.
Shame I'm missing another Boston shellacking.  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 5:01 pm : link
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RE: RE: Let's go Native Americans!  
superspynyg : 10/6/2017 5:12 pm : link
In comment 13633277 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 13633253 GiantFilthy said:


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Shouldn't you be on the Braves playoff thread?


His phone only goes back to 1997
Gary Fucking Sanchez refuses to lose  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 5:16 pm : link
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El Gary!!  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 5:17 pm : link
Talk about a big HR
We need Sanchez to carry us a bit offensively.  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 5:18 pm : link
He's a guy talented enough to hit GOOD pitching.
Castro with a 2 out double  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 5:22 pm : link
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2-0 lead plus  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 5:22 pm : link
Kluber is pushing 30 pitches in the 1st...this is the start we needed
MVP Ramirez boots one.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 5:25 pm : link
1st & 3rd, 2 outs, & Kluber has to make more pitches.
Inning over... 2-0 Yanks.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 5:29 pm : link
Kluber has to throw 38 pitches to get 3 outs.
Damn, one more hit would have been nice  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 5:29 pm : link
but 38 pitch inning for Kluber is good work
Nice inning from the Yankees  
B in ALB : 10/6/2017 5:29 pm : link
Would have loved to get another.

Now come on CC! Let's do this thing.
Bah....would have been nice to get another one there  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 5:30 pm : link
Still, big start. 38 pitches for Kluber and an early lead. Go get em Big Stoppa.
Are the announcers  
BigBlueShock : 10/6/2017 5:31 pm : link
on the Indians payroll, by any chance? Jeezus man. It's all Indian talk all the time. Both last night and tonight so far. You'd barely know who the other team is
RE: Are the announcers  
B in ALB : 10/6/2017 5:32 pm : link
In comment 13633328 BigBlueShock said:
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on the Indians payroll, by any chance? Jeezus man. It's all Indian talk all the time. Both last night and tonight so far. You'd barely know who the other team is


Yeah they love them some cleveland. Wow.
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Danny Kanell : 10/6/2017 5:32 pm : link
Great music introducing the Indians lineup
CC on your shoulders now  
micky : 10/6/2017 5:32 pm : link
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E-5  
micky : 10/6/2017 5:33 pm : link
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Thank goodness Todd Frazier is in the lineup for his defense...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 5:33 pm : link
fuck-up.
Frazier  
B in ALB : 10/6/2017 5:33 pm : link
You're here for One fucking thing! To play third! Jfc.
Fucking Frazier  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 5:34 pm : link
Can't afford shit like that
1-0 pitch looked good to me  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 5:35 pm : link
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Reassuring to see that the strike zone remains tight for the Yankees  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 5:36 pm : link
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BB  
micky : 10/6/2017 5:36 pm : link
two on 1 out
CC walks Ramirez on 4 pitches.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 5:36 pm : link
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CC struggling here  
micky : 10/6/2017 5:37 pm : link
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My goodness...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 5:37 pm : link
CC hits EE, bases jammed.
Sloppy  
B in ALB : 10/6/2017 5:37 pm : link
Very sloppy.

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Danny Kanell : 10/6/2017 5:38 pm : link
Jesus Christ CC
better get that pen up  
micky : 10/6/2017 5:38 pm : link
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Fuckin A...  
Tesla : 10/6/2017 5:38 pm : link
Can we have a single starter capable of throwing damn strikes????
The pitch that was a ball is now a strike.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 5:39 pm : link
Game tied.
just like that tied at 2  
micky : 10/6/2017 5:39 pm : link
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Should've been 2 outs 5 pitches into the inning  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 5:40 pm : link
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do we have one mentally tough pitcher on this team?  
LG in NYC : 10/6/2017 5:40 pm : link
these guys are quaking in their shoes and it shows.
encarcion injured bad  
micky : 10/6/2017 5:40 pm : link
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Wasn't even a bad pitch, in on the fists  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 5:41 pm : link
Two runs on one hit, got to love that
Unless EE's left foot was on the bag,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 5:41 pm : link
he should be out.
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I am Ninja : 10/6/2017 5:41 pm : link
broken.
Yankees suck Chant by fans there  
micky : 10/6/2017 5:42 pm : link
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Is Joe gonna challenge this?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 5:42 pm : link
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that  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/6/2017 5:42 pm : link
was a bad ankle roll
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I am Ninja : 10/6/2017 5:43 pm : link
get montgomery up. dont let cc fuck this game.
What is the injury  
Dave in PA : 10/6/2017 5:43 pm : link
To EE?
Inning over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 5:43 pm : link
Thank goodness.
RE: What is the injury  
micky : 10/6/2017 5:43 pm : link
In comment 13633364 Dave in PA said:
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To EE?



bad ankle roll
RE: do we have one mentally tough pitcher on this team?  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 5:43 pm : link
In comment 13633353 LG in NYC said:
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these guys are quaking in their shoes and it shows.


Oh bullshit...CC may not be pitching well but it's not becaus2 he's "quaking in his shoes "

17 year vet with a ton of postseason experience...cmon
RE: do we have one mentally tough pitcher on this team?  
Kyle in NY : 10/6/2017 5:43 pm : link
In comment 13633353 LG in NYC said:
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these guys are quaking in their shoes and it shows.


Pretty confident, after all these years, CC isn't lacking mental toughness
Ugh, these fucking starting pitchers.  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 5:44 pm : link
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Danny Kanell : 10/6/2017 5:44 pm : link
Huge loss for the Indians. Wow.
Dave  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/6/2017 5:44 pm : link
line drive up the middle, Didi makes the catch and tries to double up EE at second (as uppose to letting the ball drop and turning 2).

EE goes back to the bag and the side of his foot tags the side of the bag (his foot is flush with the side of the bag) but his whole body goes forward due to his momentum so he rolled his ankle laterally as bad as I've seen in baseball.
Typical trash fans  
B in ALB : 10/6/2017 5:44 pm : link
With the Yankees suck change despite Didi doing absolutely nothing to cause that injury.

Every Cleveland pitch has to be a strike and every Yankees pitch a ball. Hate crowds like that.
opposed  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/6/2017 5:45 pm : link
not uppose
RE: Yankees suck Chant by fans there  
BigBlueShock : 10/6/2017 5:45 pm : link
In comment 13633359 micky said:
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Stay classy, Cleveland. Acting as if Didi did something wrong there
RE: do we have one mentally tough pitcher on this team?  
B in ALB : 10/6/2017 5:45 pm : link
In comment 13633353 LG in NYC said:
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these guys are quaking in their shoes and it shows.


No they're not. Stop it.
Anyway, gotta stop giving runs away  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 5:46 pm : link
They gave away the fourth run last night (walk, two wild pitches, sac fly) and now today with an error, walk, and a hit batter. Make them earn it.
Ellsbury misses strike 3 by a several feet  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 5:47 pm : link
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RE: Dave  
Dave in PA : 10/6/2017 5:47 pm : link
In comment 13633371 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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line drive up the middle, Didi makes the catch and tries to double up EE at second (as uppose to letting the ball drop and turning 2).

EE goes back to the bag and the side of his foot tags the side of the bag (his foot is flush with the side of the bag) but his whole body goes forward due to his momentum so he rolled his ankle laterally as bad as I've seen in baseball.
thanks. Sucks for them
have to keep the pressure on Kluber  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/6/2017 5:47 pm : link
here. Tax him. Make him throw pitches.
Frazier with a single off the glove of Lindor  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 5:48 pm : link
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Fraser had better do something at the plate today  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 5:48 pm : link
That first run was all on him
Gardy hasn't looked particularly good in his first 2 PAs.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 5:49 pm : link
Judge up.
Be nice to see Judge  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 5:50 pm : link
get the good wood on one here
FUCKING FRAZIER!!!!!!!!!!!!@#$#@@@#@@#@@#$$  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 5:51 pm : link
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wow  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/6/2017 5:51 pm : link
perfect throw by Gomes
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Danny Kanell : 10/6/2017 5:51 pm : link
Perfect throw. Good idea there.
Frazier  
B in ALB : 10/6/2017 5:51 pm : link
What the fuck are you doing?

Gimme Headcase. Enough of this mfer.
judge leads off next inning  
micky : 10/6/2017 5:52 pm : link
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Thats not a bad risk by Frazier  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 5:52 pm : link
Judge gets a fresh count leading off next inning
how can you be  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/6/2017 5:52 pm : link
mad at Frazier for that? He was likely sent by the third base coach and Judge had 2 strikes on him against probably the best 2 strike pitcher in baseball.

Low risk, force the action and now Judge gets to come up with a fresh count next inning.

It was also a perfect throw by the catcher.
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 5:53 pm : link
In comment 13633389 Danny Kanell said:
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Perfect throw. Good idea there.


The guy at the plate has 52 home runs. Unless Frazier is 99.9% certain he's going to get that base, it's not a good idea. That's a good idea when Ellsbury is up.
I get that line of reasoning Paul  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 5:55 pm : link
I'd still rather see Judge hitting with men on
better safe than sorry..better get pen up  
micky : 10/6/2017 5:56 pm : link
now
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Danny Kanell : 10/6/2017 5:56 pm : link
In comment 13633394 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 13633389 Danny Kanell said:


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Perfect throw. Good idea there.



The guy at the plate has 52 home runs. Unless Frazier is 99.9% certain he's going to get that base, it's not a good idea. That's a good idea when Ellsbury is up.


He was way behind in the count. If he gets caught, he gets a fresh AB to lead off the next inning. Whatever. Not gonna debate it. This game is too stressful.
E-4  
micky : 10/6/2017 5:57 pm : link
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Judge  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/6/2017 5:57 pm : link
in a 2-2 count (and against Kluber) is different from Judge with a fresh count.

He had a 118 wRC+ at 2-2 which is still good, but he struck out 48% of the time in that situation.
This is fucking ridiculous  
B in ALB : 10/6/2017 5:57 pm : link
Another error for Frazier.

Fuck this.
E-5  
micky : 10/6/2017 5:58 pm : link
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RE: how can you be  
B in ALB : 10/6/2017 5:58 pm : link
In comment 13633393 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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mad at Frazier for that? He was likely sent by the third base coach and Judge had 2 strikes on him against probably the best 2 strike pitcher in baseball.

Low risk, force the action and now Judge gets to come up with a fresh count next inning.

It was also a perfect throw by the catcher.


Yup. You're right.
I hate you Todd Frazier  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 5:59 pm : link
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Remind me again  
bluesince56 : 10/6/2017 5:59 pm : link
why Frazier is playing?
apparently our entire team is infected with it  
LG in NYC : 10/6/2017 6:00 pm : link
jeez guys, throw strikes and and play solid baseball.

this is maddening.
Get well soon, Gleyber Torres.  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 6:00 pm : link
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I don't like it, but it is what it is.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 6:00 pm : link
Yanks in another jam of Todd Frazier's doing.
pen up  
micky : 10/6/2017 6:00 pm : link
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RE: This is fucking ridiculous  
Bchurch : 10/6/2017 6:00 pm : link
In comment 13633404 B in ALB said:
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Another error for Frazier.

Fuck this.


Bullshit... playing best pitcher in baseball and we hand them baseunners..and now runs... this is the playoffs boys.
correction  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/6/2017 6:00 pm : link
it was a 1-2 count.

Judge struck out 54% of the time wit ha wRC+ of 74 this season through 1-2 and he was going against the likely Cy Young winner.
Castro cannot  
Kyle in NY : 10/6/2017 6:00 pm : link
be our 2B next season

And CC shouldn't have started this game
A major league 2B  
Kyle in NY : 10/6/2017 6:01 pm : link
Needs to catch that throw
CC has nothing  
micky : 10/6/2017 6:01 pm : link
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Jason Kipnis is fucking garbage  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 6:01 pm : link
Can't let that clown beat you
that was nice while it lasted  
LG in NYC : 10/6/2017 6:01 pm : link
1/2 inning.

Kluber won't fold. we are over.
CC not fooling anyone  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/6/2017 6:01 pm : link
They are hitting the ball hard
RE: A major league 2B  
Jints in Carolina : 10/6/2017 6:02 pm : link
In comment 13633418 Kyle in NY said:
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Needs to catch that throw


This
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I am Ninja : 10/6/2017 6:02 pm : link
pen wasnt working, so cc gets the chance to properly blow this one here and now
Big out for CC.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 6:03 pm : link
Who's up now?
You assholes are complaining about Frazier  
B in ALB : 10/6/2017 6:04 pm : link
Don't you know that he's from NJ and he played in the LIttle League World Series?
Oh Brantley.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 6:04 pm : link
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Big balls for CC...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 6:05 pm : link
inning over.
RE: You assholes are complaining about Frazier  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 6:05 pm : link
In comment 13633427 B in ALB said:
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Don't you know that he's from NJ and he played in the LIttle League World Series?


And hes been mostly brilliant in the field since we traded for him. Some posters could use some of the mental toughness they demand from the Yankees pitchers
RE: You assholes are complaining about Frazier  
bluesince56 : 10/6/2017 6:06 pm : link
In comment 13633427 B in ALB said:
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Don't you know that he's from NJ and he played in the LIttle League World Series?


I didnt know that! Really?
Am I the only one who ALWAYS hates the  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 6:09 pm : link
behind the catcher camera angle?
Not sure what Aaron was looking for  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 6:11 pm : link
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he's trying  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/6/2017 6:12 pm : link
to lay off the balls that fall off the table which is how he often strikes out. That was just a great pitch by Kluber.
RE: Am I the only one who ALWAYS hates the  
Dave in PA : 10/6/2017 6:13 pm : link
In comment 13633435 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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behind the catcher camera angle?
bring back catcher cam
Gary with a single  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 6:13 pm : link
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Ya Gary!!  
Bchurch : 10/6/2017 6:14 pm : link
Lets go!!
Gary moves to second on a force.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 6:15 pm : link
Let's go Castro!
RE: RE: You assholes are complaining about Frazier  
B in ALB : 10/6/2017 6:17 pm : link
In comment 13633432 mfsd said:
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In comment 13633427 B in ALB said:


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Don't you know that he's from NJ and he played in the LIttle League World Series?



And hes been mostly brilliant in the field since we traded for him. Some posters could use some of the mental toughness they demand from the Yankees pitchers


Yeah well you can't make errors to give up the lead when your team is facing the best pitcher in the league. He's made two. In two innings.
Kluber at 70 pitches  
B in ALB : 10/6/2017 6:17 pm : link
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Castro!  
B in ALB : 10/6/2017 6:18 pm : link
Huge hit!!!
Starlin comes through!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 6:18 pm : link
Game tied.
All-starlin !!!  
DennyInDenville : 10/6/2017 6:18 pm : link
Sanchez scores

3-3 mo fuckers
CASTROOOO!!!  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/6/2017 6:18 pm : link
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clap. clap, clap  
LG in NYC : 10/6/2017 6:19 pm : link
I am eternally sorry for doubting the Yankees hitters!

Bird with a ROCKET through the shift...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 6:19 pm : link
1st and 2nd, 2 outs.
Birdman rips a single  
DennyInDenville : 10/6/2017 6:19 pm : link
2 on, 2 out

Let's go baby lets go
Yahhh baby!  
Bchurch : 10/6/2017 6:19 pm : link
#CloberKluber
That's a strike huh?  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 6:21 pm : link
You motherfucker
AARON FUCKING HICKS  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 6:23 pm : link
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HICKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
DennyInDenville : 10/6/2017 6:23 pm : link
SUP BITCHES
BOOM  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/6/2017 6:23 pm : link
Hicks.
Whoa!  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/6/2017 6:23 pm : link
!
HICKS!!!!!  
B in ALB : 10/6/2017 6:23 pm : link
!!!!!!!!!!
HICKS YES!  
adamg : 10/6/2017 6:23 pm : link
6-3 baby!
#CloberKluber  
Bchurch : 10/6/2017 6:23 pm : link
#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH baby!!!!
Kluber doesn't even last 3 innings!  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 6:23 pm : link
Ajhahahaahahahahahahaah
Big claps  
LG in NYC : 10/6/2017 6:23 pm : link
CC or whoever needs to hold this lead.

this would me a momentous win that would rock CLE
Hey now Hicks  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 6:24 pm : link
Huh!!!

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I am Ninja : 10/6/2017 6:24 pm : link
Corey Whober?
RE: #CloberKluber  
B in ALB : 10/6/2017 6:24 pm : link
In comment 13633465 Bchurch said:
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#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH baby!!!!


#yourespellingclobberwrong
RE: Big claps  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 6:25 pm : link
In comment 13633467 LG in NYC said:
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CC or whoever needs to hold this lead.

this would me a momentous win that would rock CLE


At this point, I'll just settle for 3 straight outs in the bottom of the 3rd.
WOWOWOWOWOWOW!!!!  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/6/2017 6:25 pm : link
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Love the  
bluesince56 : 10/6/2017 6:25 pm : link
faces in the stands. Total shock!
A 0 inning from CC  
B in ALB : 10/6/2017 6:25 pm : link
in the bottom half is absolutely a must. Please CC.
Wow  
Marty866b : 10/6/2017 6:26 pm : link
Some great at bats in this game. Anyone have any confidence that CC can hold this? Kind of wish we go right to the bullpen.
RE: Big claps  
Bchurch : 10/6/2017 6:26 pm : link
In comment 13633467 LG in NYC said:
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CC or whoever needs to hold this lead.

this would me a momentous win that would rock CLE


Talk about momentum swing... I mean coming into this game you would have thought Corey Kluber was Jesus with a mitt on..
Ellsbury has made almost a third of the outs thus far...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 6:27 pm : link
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE CC... 1,2,3 inning here.

(Maybe I should be begging Todd Frazier?)
RE: Love the  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 6:28 pm : link
In comment 13633473 bluesince56 said:
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faces in the stands. Total shock!


Really nice to shut them up for a while

Big couple innings ahead, CC has to get this to our big guns in the bullpen
Cc needs to get us out of here with a 0  
Joey from GlenCove : 10/6/2017 6:28 pm : link
If not call on green.
Such a big swing  
dune69 : 10/6/2017 6:28 pm : link
from Hicks. We need more.
DH  
Marty866b : 10/6/2017 6:29 pm : link
Watching Elsbury and Headley makes me think that maybe I'd like to see Holiday get some at bats.
RE: RE: Love the  
Bchurch : 10/6/2017 6:30 pm : link
In comment 13633480 mfsd said:
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In comment 13633473 bluesince56 said:


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faces in the stands. Total shock!



Really nice to shut them up for a while

Big couple innings ahead, CC has to get this to our big guns in the bullpen


I was in the car earlier and heard the "yankees suck" chant. Was that because we challenged the Encarnacion play on second or because we won the challenge?
Groundout to Didi...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 6:31 pm : link
1 down.
LONG out by Jay Bruce.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 6:34 pm : link
Girardi NOT fucking around... Chad Green already warming up.
CC gets the high strike.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 6:36 pm : link
1, 2, 3 inning.
Heard the big inning while driving home!  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 6:36 pm : link
Tack on some more!
RE: RE: RE: Love the  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 6:36 pm : link
In comment 13633484 Bchurch said:
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In comment 13633480 mfsd said:


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In comment 13633473 bluesince56 said:


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faces in the stands. Total shock!



Really nice to shut them up for a while

Big couple innings ahead, CC has to get this to our big guns in the bullpen



I was in the car earlier and heard the "yankees suck" chant. Was that because we challenged the Encarnacion play on second or because we won the challenge?


I was on mute while sneaking in a quick call to my mom, missed that bit

How about that MLB network playoff promo during the break...about 30 playoff baseball clips, not one of the Yankees, about 6 of the Red Sox...Yankee haters are such wieners.
so important by CC to put up that 0  
LG in NYC : 10/6/2017 6:38 pm : link
great job. all is forgiven for that pitiful 1st inning! : )
The big fella with a big shut down inning after the explosion!  
Stu11 : 10/6/2017 6:38 pm : link
#thumbsdown
2 quick outs.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 6:42 pm : link
Francona bringing in a new pitcher to face Judge.
RE: RE: RE: Love the  
adamg : 10/6/2017 6:44 pm : link
In comment 13633484 Bchurch said:
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In comment 13633480 mfsd said:


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In comment 13633473 bluesince56 said:


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faces in the stands. Total shock!



Really nice to shut them up for a while

Big couple innings ahead, CC has to get this to our big guns in the bullpen



I was in the car earlier and heard the "yankees suck" chant. Was that because we challenged the Encarnacion play on second or because we won the challenge?


Came during the challenge. We were bad sports for getting our out apparently.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Love the  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 6:45 pm : link
In comment 13633492 mfsd said:
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How about that MLB network playoff promo during the break...about 30 playoff baseball clips, not one of the Yankees, about 6 of the Red Sox...Yankee haters are such wieners.


I'm glad someone else noticed that. I posted about it last night, but wasn't sure if maybe I just missed a Yankees clip.
Judge works a walk after being down 0-2.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 6:46 pm : link
Gary up.
Mitch from Dazed and Confused  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 6:47 pm : link
on to pitch now for the Indians.

Say, you got a joint, man? Itd be a lot cooler if you did
Clevinger blows one past Sanchez...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 6:49 pm : link
inning over.
What's wrong???  
Bchurch : 10/6/2017 6:53 pm : link
Just a few minutes ago you were chanting about how much we suck...


CC strike out Gomes...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 6:54 pm : link
1 down.
Math not FOX's strong suit...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 6:56 pm : link
Girardi has more postseason wins than losses, but his winning percentage is .437
how does 22 wins and 19 losses  
LG in NYC : 10/6/2017 6:56 pm : link
equal a .437 winning percentage?
CC with back to back Ks...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 6:57 pm : link
2 down.
CC has found his good slider  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 6:58 pm : link
Hes settled in well for now
Nice play by Castro.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 6:58 pm : link
6 straight retired by Carsten Charles.
Just need two more good innings from the big fella  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 7:00 pm : link
Then Green + Robbie + Chapman = tied series
Good AB for Didi...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:03 pm : link
leadoff walk.
Castro strikes out on 3 pitches...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:05 pm : link
1 on, 1 down.
BIRD IS THE WORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:08 pm : link
2 RUN JACK FOR THE KID!
BYE BYE BIRDIE!  
adamg : 10/6/2017 7:08 pm : link
What a bomb!
He's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!!!!  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:08 pm : link
...
Babababababababa ooomaumau, babaooomaumau  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 7:08 pm : link
.
RE: RE: #CloberKluber  
Bchurch : 10/6/2017 7:08 pm : link
In comment 13633470 B in ALB said:
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In comment 13633465 Bchurch said:


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#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH baby!!!!



#yourespellingclobberwrong


Guilderland educated.. what do you want from me???
Birdy goes yard!!  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 7:09 pm : link
Hes having good ABs this series.

You can hear a mouse fart in that ballpark right now
.  
Danny Kanell : 10/6/2017 7:09 pm : link
This is fucking awesome!!!
Maybe we were still hungover yesterday???  
Bchurch : 10/6/2017 7:10 pm : link
The boys came to WORK today!
The Birdman of New York  
dpinzow : 10/6/2017 7:10 pm : link
JUST fair down the RF line...8-3. Amazing track on that...how did it stay fair
RE: RE: RE: #CloberKluber  
B in ALB : 10/6/2017 7:10 pm : link
In comment 13633537 Bchurch said:
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In comment 13633470 B in ALB said:


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In comment 13633465 Bchurch said:


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#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber
#CloberKluber

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH baby!!!!



#yourespellingclobberwrong



Guilderland educated.. what do you want from me???


Sorry bro. Smart ass academy grad here.
BIRD!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/6/2017 7:10 pm : link
.
Can it please be leaked that Randy Levine was the person who  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:12 pm : link
made the moronic comment about Greg Bird earlier this season????????????
Is the game we see if  
Jay in Toronto : 10/6/2017 7:13 pm : link
Betances has found the plate?
Even Ellsbury making his 3rd out in 5 innings  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:14 pm : link
can't bring me down. Inning over.

8-3 good guys.
what is the logic of playing Ellsbury?  
LG in NYC : 10/6/2017 7:15 pm : link
he has been ice cold.

surely there are better DH options, no?
If this score holds...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/6/2017 7:16 pm : link
I imagine Yankees Stadium will be rocking Sunday night.
As I know I have already sad,,,  
manh george : 10/6/2017 7:17 pm : link
I think a healthy Bird, with Judge and Sanchez give the Yanks an amazing core. Bird as a bigger, stronger Olerud is a reasonable upside if he stays healthy, I love kids with a special swing because when healthy, they don't have prolonged slumps,
Love the big fella but we are in out to out territory now  
Stu11 : 10/6/2017 7:17 pm : link
First sign of trouble its Green time
I'm at my son's HS game  
B in ALB : 10/6/2017 7:17 pm : link
Keep the updates coming. Appreciate it guys!

And please no spoilers on other sporting events tonight!
CC strikes out Kipnis...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:18 pm : link
1 down.
Frazier MAKES A PLAY AT THIRD!  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:19 pm : link
Time to go home folks.

2 down.
3 straight shut down innings for CC...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:20 pm : link
8-3 after 5 innings.
CC looks  
dune69 : 10/6/2017 7:20 pm : link
strong
CC turning in a brilliant veteran pitching perfomance  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 7:21 pm : link
and these announcers are barely paying it lip service. They came loaded for bear to wax poetic about the Indians
this is funny  
LG in NYC : 10/6/2017 7:22 pm : link
I swear MLBN didn't plan for a bad game by CLE... they only have pro-CLE video and don't seem to know what to say now that CLE is losing.

Ramirez just hit into an out and they show a video package of him raking in previous AB's.

weird.
mfsd  
LG in NYC : 10/6/2017 7:22 pm : link
you noticed it too?
RE: this is funny  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 7:22 pm : link
In comment 13633561 LG in NYC said:
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I swear MLBN didn't plan for a bad game by CLE... they only have pro-CLE video and don't seem to know what to say now that CLE is losing.

Ramirez just hit into an out and they show a video package of him raking in previous AB's.

weird.


Yup exactly
Fooled me  
Marty866b : 10/6/2017 7:22 pm : link
CC has been awesome! The Indians aren't getting good swings at him. Low pitch count, could go 7.
Game 3, gotta go to the stadium for it  
DennyInDenville : 10/6/2017 7:22 pm : link
Tanaka and Sevy can close this bitch out
RE: CC turning in a brilliant veteran pitching perfomance  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:23 pm : link
In comment 13633559 mfsd said:
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and these announcers are barely paying it lip service. They came loaded for bear to wax poetic about the Indians


Be quiet... I need more segments on "How to hit Andrew Miller".
Gutsy effort from CC  
Kyle in NY : 10/6/2017 7:23 pm : link
All the credit to him, that guy battles
Frazier singles up the middle to start the 6th  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:23 pm : link
...
Godamnit I love the big fella!  
Stu11 : 10/6/2017 7:23 pm : link
1 out sacks juiced 3 in in the 2nd he said thats all you get boys! Not a baserunner since right?
Haha they obviously whipped up some quick stats  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 7:25 pm : link
during that break to give CC a little love
Gardy with a rough day... bounces into a DP  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:26 pm : link
...
Judge grounds out to short...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:28 pm : link
inning over.
If CC can give the one more inning  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 7:32 pm : link
That's big.
CC with a 4 pitch walk to start the 6th...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:32 pm : link
Green is warming up in the 'pen.
Let me say this again  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 7:33 pm : link
This ump can kiss my fucking ass with some of these calls
Soft liner to Didi...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:34 pm : link
1 down, runner still at first.


That will be all for Carsten Charles.


STANDING OVATION FROM THE FRONT OF MY LAPTOP!!!!
Hell of a job CC  
Bchurch : 10/6/2017 7:34 pm : link
!!!!
Gutsy performance  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 7:38 pm : link
Didn't have hit best stuff, defense failed him twice, but he battles and gave them all they could have asked for. The big fella came through for them.

Now on to the Bullpen of Death! MAH GAWD, THAT'S CHAD GREENS MUSIC!
A-Jax flies out to right...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:40 pm : link
2 down.
Shitty Yan Gomes hits a rocket double off of Green.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:43 pm : link
2 in scoring position, 2 outs.
Yan Gomes....seriously?  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 7:44 pm : link
C'mon Chad, knock it off
Greens not quite as sharp as usual  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 7:44 pm : link
Could be residual from the effort Tuesday. big spot here to try and keep them down
Robertson warming up quickly.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:45 pm : link
...
HP ump says Green hit Chisenhall...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:48 pm : link
....
Bases loaded for Lindor...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:49 pm : link
this has turned clusterfuckian rather quickly.
FUCKING  
Bchurch : 10/6/2017 7:50 pm : link
BULLSHIT!!!!!!
Lindor hits a granny...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:50 pm : link
my goodness, WTF?!?!?!!?!?!?

8-7 Yanks.
Gotta get Green out of the game.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:51 pm : link
Robby coming in.

That was quite the bed shitting.
Great job, Chad.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/6/2017 7:51 pm : link
.
Well...i didnt expect that  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 7:51 pm : link
Two out double to Yan fucking Gomes...yup
why  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 7:51 pm : link
did Girardi not review that? It wasn't even close to hitting him, it hit the knob of the bat.

Fucking jerkoff umpire but how could Girardi not challenge that? He wins that one easily.

Also left CG in too long
What.  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 7:51 pm : link
The.
Fuck.
getting used to this with ny teams  
micky : 10/6/2017 7:51 pm : link
.
Why didnt  
bluesince56 : 10/6/2017 7:51 pm : link
Joe review the HBP?
There's got to be something I'm missing, right?  
jcn56 : 10/6/2017 7:52 pm : link
That had to not be reviewable, why would you pass up that in such a big spot? They'd be out of the inning...
Turns Out  
Percy : 10/6/2017 7:52 pm : link
Girardi should have questioned the call.
Just hit bathroom with Yanks up 8 3.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/6/2017 7:52 pm : link
Came back and its 8 7.

WTF happened?
Indians have 7 runs...on five fucking hits  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 7:52 pm : link
Infuriating
The ball clearly hit the bottom of his bat  
Bchurch : 10/6/2017 7:53 pm : link
it was clear as day on the replay.. to me at least.. why didn't we challenge? what was the downside?
i am baffled as to why JG didn't challenge?  
LG in NYC : 10/6/2017 7:53 pm : link
this is akin to leaving Joba in vs the midges.

we lose, that is the turning point.
RE: There's got to be something I'm missing, right?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:53 pm : link
In comment 13633616 jcn56 said:
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That had to not be reviewable, why would you pass up that in such a big spot? They'd be out of the inning...


Maybe they thought it wasn't clear cut?
RE: Just hit bathroom with Yanks up 8 3.  
Route 9 : 10/6/2017 7:53 pm : link
In comment 13633619 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Came back and its 8 7.

WTF happened?


Take one huge guess...
Good job Joe  
Jints in Carolina : 10/6/2017 7:53 pm : link
Asshole.
it doesn't matter  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 7:53 pm : link
if they didn't think it was clear cut. He had nothing to lose by challenging it
time to start drinking  
Bchurch : 10/6/2017 7:54 pm : link
fucking pissed... fuck Cleveland...
What a shock though that the umps fuck us again  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 7:54 pm : link
.
.  
Danny Kanell : 10/6/2017 7:54 pm : link
How do they not challenge there? What do they have to lose? That was strike 3.
Green clearly didn't have it from the get-go.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:55 pm : link
Other than the Chisenhall AB, he didn't get a single swing and miss.


Robby strikes out Kipnis on 3 pitches... inning finally over.
RE: it doesn't matter  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:55 pm : link
In comment 13633626 MookGiants said:
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if they didn't think it was clear cut. He had nothing to lose by challenging it


I don't disagree with you... I'm just reaching for an answer to why he didn't challenge it.
Double  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 7:55 pm : link
fuck. Good work by DRob though ending the inning
the ump  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 7:55 pm : link
did blow the call but this is why replay is in place, to fix calls like that.

Girardi not challenging that could ruin their season if they blow this game. Close to a fireable offense
fuck this team..  
Bchurch : 10/6/2017 7:55 pm : link
and their fancy haircuts... well manicured beards.. Lets go Yanks!! We need runs!
RE: RE: There's got to be something I'm missing, right?  
jcn56 : 10/6/2017 7:55 pm : link
In comment 13633623 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 13633616 jcn56 said:


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That had to not be reviewable, why would you pass up that in such a big spot? They'd be out of the inning...



Maybe they thought it wasn't clear cut?


So what?! Up five runs what do you have to lose?!
Umpires in all 3 postseason  
aimrocky : 10/6/2017 7:56 pm : link
Games have been terrible.
So yeah, that ball hit the butt of Chisenhall's bat  
nyjuggernaut2 : 10/6/2017 7:56 pm : link
Just watched that slo mo replay again and again...why Girardi didn't challenge is beyond me??!?!
RE: RE: There's got to be something I'm missing, right?  
BigBlueShock : 10/6/2017 7:57 pm : link
In comment 13633623 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 13633616 jcn56 said:


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That had to not be reviewable, why would you pass up that in such a big spot? They'd be out of the inning...



Maybe they thought it wasn't clear cut?

Video showed it was as clear as day
RE: So yeah, that ball hit the butt of Chisenhall's bat  
Bchurch : 10/6/2017 7:57 pm : link
In comment 13633639 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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Just watched that slo mo replay again and again...why Girardi didn't challenge is beyond me??!?!


remind me of the rules.. what happens if he's wrong?
We better score some fucking runs.  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 7:57 pm : link
.
Sanchez bounces out to third...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:58 pm : link
1 pitch, 1 out.
Girardi..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/6/2017 7:58 pm : link
shouldn't have to challenge - the ump should get that right.
How many challenges do managers get in baseball?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/6/2017 7:58 pm : link
Looking at replay, Yanks would've won it.
Didi grounds out to short.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 7:59 pm : link
2 very quick outs.
There's no question the ump fucked up  
jcn56 : 10/6/2017 8:00 pm : link
But so did Girardi when he let it go.
...  
BleedBlue : 10/6/2017 8:00 pm : link
that was TRASH
The Yankees have to win this damn game  
Dave in PA : 10/6/2017 8:00 pm : link
No way can they squander a 5 run lead in ge 6th inning. Pitch the big 3 tip their arms fall off if needed
Girardi  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 8:00 pm : link
not challenging is one of the worst decisions ive ever seen from a manager in 25 years of watching baseball.

That bad.

There is no "rolling of the dice". They had nothing to lose.

Chisenhall wasn't trying to sell it. Sanchez knew it hit the knob.

Yet Giardi doesn't challenge. If he blames someone else after the game im going to lose my fucking mind. It's not on anyone else except for him.
Robertson  
Percy : 10/6/2017 8:01 pm : link
Terrific reliever, but there's a lot of ball still to be played here. Betances threw 11 pitches yesterday. Is he available tonight if needed?
The physics of that ball  
Route 9 : 10/6/2017 8:01 pm : link
Going directly into Snchezs glove were due to the ball chipping the knob of his bat
Broken bat shallow pop for Castro.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:01 pm : link
Inning over.

8-7 Yanks... time for the 7th inning stretch.
RE: Girardi..  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 8:01 pm : link
In comment 13633645 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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shouldn't have to challenge - the ump should get that right.


He should, but it's easily fixed if he challenges. Exactly why they put replay in.

He fucked up as bad as any manager ever has on that one
The whole idea  
bluesince56 : 10/6/2017 8:01 pm : link
Of replays is to correct bad calls. Joe blew it. It clearly hit his bat.
We're a dead team walking.  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 8:01 pm : link
Pray for a miracle tonight.
RE: Girardi  
Danny Kanell : 10/6/2017 8:02 pm : link
In comment 13633655 MookGiants said:
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not challenging is one of the worst decisions ive ever seen from a manager in 25 years of watching baseball.

That bad.

There is no "rolling of the dice". They had nothing to lose.

Chisenhall wasn't trying to sell it. Sanchez knew it hit the knob.

Yet Giardi doesn't challenge. If he blames someone else after the game im going to lose my fucking mind. It's not on anyone else except for him.


Mook, you're 100% right.
RE: i am baffled as to why JG didn't challenge?  
Beer Man : 10/6/2017 8:02 pm : link
In comment 13633622 LG in NYC said:
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this is akin to leaving Joba in vs the midges.

we lose, that is the turning point.
+1
Not his fucking hand  
Route 9 : 10/6/2017 8:02 pm : link
...
RE: Robertson  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 8:03 pm : link
In comment 13633656 Percy said:
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Terrific reliever, but there's a lot of ball still to be played here. Betances threw 11 pitches yesterday. Is he available tonight if needed?


Absolutely
You know it's bad when you're up 1 in the 7th  
Bchurch : 10/6/2017 8:04 pm : link
and it feels like you're losing...
That was the dumbest shit I've seen  
Route 9 : 10/6/2017 8:04 pm : link
in all of sports. Wow, I can't believe he didn't challenge that!! Right away!
Robertson strikes out Ramirez...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:05 pm : link
1 down.
Should Sabathia have been pulled?  
Route 9 : 10/6/2017 8:07 pm : link
I missed when he got taken out. At 74 pitches?
Robertson strikes out Brantley...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:07 pm : link
2 down.
RE: We're a dead team walking.  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/6/2017 8:07 pm : link
In comment 13633662 bceagle05 said:
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Pray for a miracle tonight.


A miracle? They're winning the game with 7 outs to go and a solid pen
Still pissed  
Beer Man : 10/6/2017 8:07 pm : link
what a brain fart by Joe G. What the hell is he thinking?
That pitch was..  
Bchurch : 10/6/2017 8:08 pm : link
dirtyyyyyyyyyyy
RE: Should Sabathia have been pulled?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:08 pm : link
In comment 13633672 Route 9 said:
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I missed when he got taken out. At 74 pitches?


Zero problem with it whatsoever. Green simply didn't have it tonight.
Wicked curve for strike 2 on Santana...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:09 pm : link
...
We blew our cushion  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 8:09 pm : link
but our bullpen is still nails. Lets nut up and finish this one boys
Routine fly out to Gardy...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:10 pm : link
4 up, 4 down for Robertson.


(Forgive me for ever complaining about trading Blake Rutherford.)
Robertson puts the Superman cape on.  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 8:10 pm : link
Hold onto your nuts.
_________  
I am Ninja : 10/6/2017 8:11 pm : link
6 more. easy peazy.
the ump makes a call in real time - he gets some slack  
LG in NYC : 10/6/2017 8:12 pm : link
JG had the benefit of slo mo replay and still doesn't challenge.

I am much more upset with Girardi than the ump.
Girardi hesitates as if there are repercussions if he  
Jim in Hoboken : 10/6/2017 8:13 pm : link
was wrong, just fucking challenge!!! He was probably preoccupied with whether or not to take Green out.

And why did Sanchez call back to back sliders at the same location?
Jesus Christmas ump  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 8:14 pm : link
Miller is good enough without giving him 6 inches off the corner
RE: Girardi hesitates as if there are repercussions if he  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:15 pm : link
In comment 13633689 Jim in Hoboken said:
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And why did Sanchez call back to back sliders at the same location?


He didn't. Green missed the location badly.

Bird barely misses a hit... grounds out to 3rd.
Hicks flies out.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:16 pm : link
Yanks have made 5 exceedingly quick outs in a row.
Headley grounds out to third sharply.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:17 pm : link
Inning over.
Sticking with DRob  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 8:18 pm : link
for the 8th? Im sure Chapman will get ready for a possible 4 or 5 out save
_________  
I am Ninja : 10/6/2017 8:19 pm : link
roll him out again and get chapman up. if he needs to sit down sobeit.
Girardi  
Marty866b : 10/6/2017 8:21 pm : link
With a horrendous managing job. CC retire 12 of 13 and its at 74 pitches and he is taken out why? Girardi doesn't protest the obvious ball hitting the knob for strike 3? Why leave Green in there?
Jay Bruce crushes 3-1 fastball.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:21 pm : link
Game tied.


What a fucking disaster.
New york sports in 2017  
Route 9 : 10/6/2017 8:22 pm : link
....
There it is.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/6/2017 8:22 pm : link
Fuck Joe and Chad.
Son of a bitch  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 8:22 pm : link
Have to give Bruce credit, he didnt chase and waited for DRob to groove one

what is the point  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 8:22 pm : link
of having Chapman up if you aren't going to use him to start the inning?

I like Girardi, but this game is the type of game that eventually gets a manager fired.
you've got to f ing kidding me?  
LG in NYC : 10/6/2017 8:22 pm : link
the collapse is complete.

no challenge...leave DRob in for the 8th... what a choke job by Girardi tonight... created a loss where we had a big win
RE: Girardi  
bluesince56 : 10/6/2017 8:23 pm : link
In comment 13633700 Marty866b said:
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With a horrendous managing job. CC retire 12 of 13 and its at 74 pitches and he is taken out why? Girardi doesn't protest the obvious ball hitting the knob for strike 3? Why leave Green in there?


It was in the binder!
The ump still called strike 3 wrong  
bubba0825 : 10/6/2017 8:23 pm : link
Should have never came to this
Not surprised ...  
Route 9 : 10/6/2017 8:23 pm : link
Even in the least amount
RE: Still pissed  
Beer Man : 10/6/2017 8:23 pm : link
In comment 13633676 Beer Man said:
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what a brain fart by Joe G. What the hell is he thinking?
Even more pissed now. If the Yank's lose, its on Joe G.
Now, After That?  
Percy : 10/6/2017 8:23 pm : link
Leave him in? This thing tied could go on for a while.
RE: what is the point  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:23 pm : link
In comment 13633706 MookGiants said:
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of having Chapman up if you aren't going to use him to start the inning?

I like Girardi, but this game is the type of game that eventually gets a manager fired.


C'mon man... Robertson looked great and had only thrown 17 pitches.
tough to be a Yanks/Giants fan right now  
LG in NYC : 10/6/2017 8:23 pm : link
one nut punch after another
...  
GP : 10/6/2017 8:24 pm : link
No reason Robertson should still be in this game. Fireable performance by Girardi tonight.
Line drive caught by Didi.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:24 pm : link
Might be time to get Robertson out.
Saw that coming  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/6/2017 8:25 pm : link
Why not chapman there?
RE: Girardi  
bluesince56 : 10/6/2017 8:25 pm : link
In comment 13633700 Marty866b said:
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With a horrendous managing job. CC retire 12 of 13 and its at 74 pitches and he is taken out why? Girardi doesn't protest the obvious ball hitting the knob for strike 3? Why leave Green in there?


It was in the binder!
I love Joe  
Stu11 : 10/6/2017 8:25 pm : link
But not challenging that play is up there with Grady Little leaving Pedro in there in '03.
Blame whoever you want  
bxgiants4 : 10/6/2017 8:25 pm : link
But we're up 5 w the best bullpen is baseball

It's on the arms
Kahnle  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 8:25 pm : link
has been unhittable and he's not even warmed up. It was on tuesday but Robertson does not pitch sit down pitch sit down and then pitch again basically at all, and then you want him to do it twice in a week, with Kahnle and Chapman sitting there.

Makes absolutely no sense.

Now Chapman has been up twice, that's always good, without bringing him in.

I have always been a girardi supporter but honestly this one is so bad that if they lose this game and series I would consider firing him
I had no problem bringing in Green or leaving in Robertson.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:25 pm : link
THIS... I have a problem with. We cannot lose this game with Kahnle pitching instead of Chapman.
RE: Blame whoever you want  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 8:26 pm : link
In comment 13633723 bxgiants4 said:
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But we're up 5 w the best bullpen is baseball

It's on the arms


That's absurd. The inning is over at 8-3 if Girardi challenges a call that he had no reason not to.

Green was out of that inning. He shouldn't have to get 4 outs, Girardi made him get 4 outs.
Fuck you Joe...  
Bchurch : 10/6/2017 8:26 pm : link
I want to have faith but these are the games that teams lose right here...
Everyone ready to pull up their panties  
bigbluehoya : 10/6/2017 8:26 pm : link
And win this fucking game??
RE: Kahnle  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:27 pm : link
In comment 13633724 MookGiants said:
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has been unhittable and he's not even warmed up. It was on tuesday but Robertson does not pitch sit down pitch sit down and then pitch again basically at all, and then you want him to do it twice in a week, with Kahnle and Chapman sitting there.

Makes absolutely no sense.

Now Chapman has been up twice, that's always good, without bringing him in.

I have always been a girardi supporter but honestly this one is so bad that if they lose this game and series I would consider firing him


Unhittable? Kahnle almost gave up a 3 run HR on Monday.

Wanna complain about the challenge? Fine. But let's not act like everything else was the dumbest thing in the history of mankind.
I think we all knew Cleveland was a better team  
Dave in PA : 10/6/2017 8:27 pm : link
But this game, there's just no excuse for it. Feels like the Trey Junkin nightmare all over again
If the Yankees lose  
blueblood'11 : 10/6/2017 8:27 pm : link
Its on Joe. C.C. was not in any trouble and probably gets out of that inning with minimal damage if any at all. And then not to challenge is nuts. What did he have to lose.
I just read the rules  
NoGainDayne : 10/6/2017 8:28 pm : link
On August 15, 2013, Major League Baseball announced that it would expand its video review process for the 2014 season, granting managers one challenge over the first six innings of games and two from the seventh inning until the end of the game.

So he already challenged the Encarnacion play. He didn't have another one. Blame the refs not Joe on this one.

I didn't love taking CC out either. CC had retired 10 of the last 11 he was in a real groove.
Robertson  
Percy : 10/6/2017 8:28 pm : link
I'd have left him in. He'd retired five guys, four on strikes, before the giving up the HR, after all.
Im 100% with leaving Robbie in for the 8th  
Stu11 : 10/6/2017 8:29 pm : link
He was at 17 pitches and dealing. You really trust Chappy to get 6 outs in this park seriously? That Bruce AB was an all time AB. La8d of brilliant breaking stuff then tattoed the 3-1 meatball
RE: If the Yankees lose  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:29 pm : link
In comment 13633732 blueblood'11 said:
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Its on Joe. C.C. was not in any trouble and probably gets out of that inning with minimal damage if any at all. And then not to challenge is nuts. What did he have to lose.


This was Chad Green's 2nd bad game in 6 weeks!!!!!

C'mon people, enough with this junk.
it doesn't matter  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 8:29 pm : link
what he did prior to it.

He had to get up, pitch, and sit down twice. He rarely ever does that. He did it once this week already, no reason to push it again with Kahnle, Chapman, and Betances left down there
RE: Kahnle  
micky : 10/6/2017 8:29 pm : link
In comment 13633724 MookGiants said:
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has been unhittable and he's not even warmed up. It was on tuesday but Robertson does not pitch sit down pitch sit down and then pitch again basically at all, and then you want him to do it twice in a week, with Kahnle and Chapman sitting there.

Makes absolutely no sense.

Now Chapman has been up twice, that's always good, without bringing him in.

I have always been a girardi supporter but honestly this one is so bad that if they lose this game and series I would consider firing him


his contract is up after season...
Sharp grounder to short.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:30 pm : link
2 down.
I'd fire Girardi for leaving Robertson in against Bruce alone  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 8:30 pm : link
A couple of days after he throws 51 pitches and you expect him to go more than 1.1? Shades of fucking Torre in 2004 with Gordon.
RE: I just read the rules  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 8:31 pm : link
In comment 13633734 NoGainDayne said:
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On August 15, 2013, Major League Baseball announced that it would expand its video review process for the 2014 season, granting managers one challenge over the first six innings of games and two from the seventh inning until the end of the game.

So he already challenged the Encarnacion play. He didn't have another one. Blame the refs not Joe on this one.

I didn't love taking CC out either. CC had retired 10 of the last 11 he was in a real groove.


I dont think you understand how challenges actually work in baseball. Plenty of times teams have been without challenges and their challenge is still granted, they just go out there and suggest the umpires look at it and they can.

Not one time has a play come up that ive seen where it wasnt looked at because a manager was out of challenges.

They were able to have that looked at and Joe didn't ask them to. It's on him
Grounder to second.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:31 pm : link
Inning over.

8-8.
Kahnle  
bigbluehoya : 10/6/2017 8:32 pm : link
Needs to be done for the night now.

Good job, but that didn't look like his "A" stuff there.
Girardi has shit all over this game. Astounding.  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 8:33 pm : link
Hope someone runs into one this inning.
I could care less  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 8:33 pm : link
how many pitches Robertson threw. He was taxed on tuesday and you don't have him pitch in 3 separate innings again with what they have available in the pen
why is Betances not in consideration?  
LG in NYC : 10/6/2017 8:33 pm : link
you start the 8th with DB and Chapman in the 9th.

is that even a question?
RE: I'd fire Girardi for leaving Robertson in against Bruce alone  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:33 pm : link
In comment 13633742 Greg from LI said:
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A couple of days after he throws 51 pitches and you expect him to go more than 1.1? Shades of fucking Torre in 2004 with Gordon.


He looked fucking great.

LITERALLY NOT ONE FUCKING PERSON HERE said it was a bad idea to leave Robertson in to face Bruce PRIOR to the HR. Then all of a sudden, it was the worst idea in the world.
Just call him  
Carl in CT : 10/6/2017 8:35 pm : link
Joe Buckner if we lose this one. He will never live it down.
shockey  
LG in NYC : 10/6/2017 8:35 pm : link
i wasn't at the computer but I didn't like the move even before the HR... i was trying to figure out the logic and before I could get there it was 8-8
RE: RE: I'd fire Girardi for leaving Robertson in against Bruce alone  
GP : 10/6/2017 8:35 pm : link
In comment 13633750 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 13633742 Greg from LI said:


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A couple of days after he throws 51 pitches and you expect him to go more than 1.1? Shades of fucking Torre in 2004 with Gordon.



He looked fucking great.

LITERALLY NOT ONE FUCKING PERSON HERE said it was a bad idea to leave Robertson in to face Bruce PRIOR to the HR. Then all of a sudden, it was the worst idea in the world.


I said it out loud to my dog. Same with the early yank on CC, let him finish that damn inning.
I agree DR  
Carl in CT : 10/6/2017 8:35 pm : link
Was pitching well. Ump was squeezing him.
Is Betances available?  
Dave in PA : 10/6/2017 8:36 pm : link
I'd be shocked if he isn't. Who's the best option for multiple inning relief if this goes long?
had to listen on radio for awhile  
micky : 10/6/2017 8:36 pm : link
after bird made it 8-3 Susan Wildman was all smug saying "no way Yankees lose this ballgame with this pen...if they did it would all be on then

she done put the whammy on this game at that point
The non-challenge was analyzed 5 thousand ways 'til Sunday,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:36 pm : link
but I'll just have to take everyone's word that they wanted Chappy in to face Bruce.


Frazier singles to start the inning.
Don't even tell me  
bigbluehoya : 10/6/2017 8:36 pm : link
He isn't going to pinch run Torreyes here
As a fan..................  
DCOrange : 10/6/2017 8:37 pm : link
It is a pleasure to be able to come out here and soak in the knowledge of some many ex-MLB players and managers. It is so much better than reading the negative diatribes of the former JV Bergen county football players post a Giants game.
Because I was saying it on the phone with my dad  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 8:37 pm : link
And not posting here. They have plenty of quality arms - why tempt fate by having Robertson come back a second time two days after he threw the longest outing of his career? Against a guy with major power?
Good bunt for Gardy.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:37 pm : link
He's looked so bad at the plate today that I have no problem with the bunt.
also  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 8:38 pm : link
fuck the Mets for giving away Bruce for nothing. Useless sacks of shit that they always are
pinch run Torreyes  
GentleGiant : 10/6/2017 8:39 pm : link
for Frazier?
Seriously not pinch-running?  
bigbluehoya : 10/6/2017 8:39 pm : link
Am I being stupid here?
RE: As a fan..................  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 8:40 pm : link
In comment 13633760 DCOrange said:
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It is a pleasure to be able to come out here and soak in the knowledge of some many ex-MLB players and managers. It is so much better than reading the negative diatribes of the former JV Bergen county football players post a Giants game.


If strategy wasn't discussed and criticized, message boards wouldn't exist. I guess we should just all sit here with pom poms and never criticize anything, BBI would be so fun.

Who knew you needed to play in the majors or be a manager to know not challenging the play in the 6th was mind numbing.
i am not sure there is anything more annoying than blaming the umps  
LG in NYC : 10/6/2017 8:40 pm : link
or refs.

players/managers/coaches lose 99% of games, not umps.

and yet every game there are a handful of people who want to blame it on the guys in stripes/black
RE: also  
DCOrange : 10/6/2017 8:41 pm : link
In comment 13633765 MookGiants said:
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fuck the Mets for giving away Bruce for nothing. Useless sacks of shit that they always are


I bet they turned down better deals just to piss you off so we can all read your typical ridiculous curse filled rant
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RE: i am not sure there is anything more annoying than blaming the umps  
micky : 10/6/2017 8:41 pm : link
In comment 13633769 LG in NYC said:
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or refs.

players/managers/coaches lose 99% of games, not umps.

and yet every game there are a handful of people who want to blame it on the guys in stripes/black


always
Judge robbed of a hit.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:41 pm : link
Frazier advances to third.

I wonder if they IBB Sanchez.
I thought there was a rule  
B in ALB : 10/6/2017 8:42 pm : link
That you have a limited number of challenges after the 6th inning. Did that come into play with the hit batter bullshit?
Wooooow  
Dave in PA : 10/6/2017 8:42 pm : link
He almost submarines hat to ge backstop
Joe Smith almost throws wild pitch on first pitch to Gary  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:42 pm : link
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RE: RE: also  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 8:43 pm : link
In comment 13633770 DCOrange said:
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In comment 13633765 MookGiants said:


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fuck the Mets for giving away Bruce for nothing. Useless sacks of shit that they always are



I bet they turned down better deals just to piss you off so we can all read your typical ridiculous curse filled rant
.


They did turn down better deals prospect wise just to save money. What are you doing on a message board if you dont think anyone can discuss or criticize anything that happens? Are you wearing your skirt waving your pom poms every night?
Gary takes one right down the middle for strike 3.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:44 pm : link
Inning over. Ugh.
Come on Gary  
bigbluehoya : 10/6/2017 8:44 pm : link
The fuck are you looking at?
Sanchez  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 8:44 pm : link
takes a pitch right down the middle, what the fuck is he doing?
Really Sanchez?!  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/6/2017 8:44 pm : link
Right down the middle
Jeezuz Gary  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 8:44 pm : link
What are you waiting for? That was right down the pipe
Oh come on Gary  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 8:44 pm : link
.
Ugh.  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 8:45 pm : link
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RE: Oh come on Gary  
bluesince56 : 10/6/2017 8:46 pm : link
In comment 13633782 Greg from LI said:
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What happened to protecting the plate with two strikes?
It was also reported  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 8:46 pm : link
that the Mets turned down a better offer for Bruce from the Yankees prospect wise just because the Indians were willing to pick up all of Bruce's salary.

So go fuck yourself, DCOrange
Now Who?  
Percy : 10/6/2017 8:47 pm : link
If Chapman, who pitches the 10th? Can't do it right now IMHO. Kahnie again?
RE: Now Who?  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 8:48 pm : link
In comment 13633786 Percy said:
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If Chapman, who pitches the 10th? Can't do it right now IMHO. Kahnie again?
betances then Montgomery
Fuck that stupid bug game  
Route 9 : 10/6/2017 8:48 pm : link
Wow. Forgot about the tracker of how many feet they showed the runner off the base. 2007, lol.
Ah yes the every 10 years Jacobs/Progressive Field  
Dave in PA : 10/6/2017 8:48 pm : link
House of horrors playoffs shit show
RE: RE: RE: also  
DCOrange : 10/6/2017 8:50 pm : link
In comment 13633776 MookGiants said:
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In comment 13633770 DCOrange said:


Quote:


In comment 13633765 MookGiants said:


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fuck the Mets for giving away Bruce for nothing. Useless sacks of shit that they always are



I bet they turned down better deals just to piss you off so we can all read your typical ridiculous curse filled rant
.



They did turn down better deals prospect wise just to save money. What are you doing on a message board if you dont think anyone can discuss or criticize anything that happens? Are you wearing your skirt waving your pom poms every night?


Pom poms? No but I can put together sentences without cursing every time I post. FYI - the majority of people out here can complete sentences without curses. And most, despite never standing up to your ridiculous rants, laugh at your sounding like a moron.
Can't put these assholes away.  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 8:50 pm : link
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Chappy strikes out Lindor after a 9 pitch battle  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:51 pm : link
...
There we go!  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 8:51 pm : link
One down.
RE: RE: RE: RE: also  
jcn56 : 10/6/2017 8:53 pm : link
In comment 13633792 DCOrange said:
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In comment 13633776 MookGiants said:


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In comment 13633770 DCOrange said:


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In comment 13633765 MookGiants said:


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fuck the Mets for giving away Bruce for nothing. Useless sacks of shit that they always are



I bet they turned down better deals just to piss you off so we can all read your typical ridiculous curse filled rant
.



They did turn down better deals prospect wise just to save money. What are you doing on a message board if you dont think anyone can discuss or criticize anything that happens? Are you wearing your skirt waving your pom poms every night?



Pom poms? No but I can put together sentences without cursing every time I post. FYI - the majority of people out here can complete sentences without curses. And most, despite never standing up to your ridiculous rants, laugh at your sounding like a moron.


Not that it has much place in a game thread, but the Mets were roundly criticized for taking less for Bruce in exchange for dumping all his salary.
Kipnis singles to center.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:53 pm : link
1 on, 1 out.
Keep throwing the heater  
Dave in PA : 10/6/2017 8:53 pm : link
Jason skip is ain't hitting 102
Another hit allowed to a garbage hitter  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 8:54 pm : link
Absolutely infuriating
RE: RE: RE: RE: also  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 8:55 pm : link
In comment 13633792 DCOrange said:
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In comment 13633776 MookGiants said:


Quote:


In comment 13633770 DCOrange said:


Quote:


In comment 13633765 MookGiants said:


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fuck the Mets for giving away Bruce for nothing. Useless sacks of shit that they always are



I bet they turned down better deals just to piss you off so we can all read your typical ridiculous curse filled rant
.



They did turn down better deals prospect wise just to save money. What are you doing on a message board if you dont think anyone can discuss or criticize anything that happens? Are you wearing your skirt waving your pom poms every night?



Pom poms? No but I can put together sentences without cursing every time I post. FYI - the majority of people out here can complete sentences without curses. And most, despite never standing up to your ridiculous rants, laugh at your sounding like a moron.


Please bring something, anything, to this board. The next thing you bring to this board besides basically being a cheerleader will be the first. Message boards are designed for doing exactly what people on here are doing, discussing the game and second guessing decisions. If no one had an opinion besides ex players and managers, TV wouldn't exist, and sports wouldn't exist because no one would give a shit to watch.

You came here, brought nothing besides basically saying no one can ever criticize anything when it comes to sports unless they played professionally or coached. Then you made a fool of yourself responding to the Mets post, when they did in fact trade him for nothing and got ripped apart for it by everyone at the time because all they wanted to do was save money.
Chappy strikes out Ramirez.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:56 pm : link
2 down.
Castro with a nice play to get the force at second.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 8:57 pm : link
Inning over.
nice play Starlin  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 8:57 pm : link
.
Jesus  
Dave in PA : 10/6/2017 8:57 pm : link
That was close
Castro gonna Castro.  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 8:57 pm : link
Get a run!
_________  
I am Ninja : 10/6/2017 8:58 pm : link
Castro needs to get the little man out of his glove.
jcn  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 8:59 pm : link
it doesn't matter that the Mets were hammered by basically every beat writer for taking lesser prospects for Bruce just to save a few bucks. No one is allowed to have an opinion or criticize anything unless they played professionally or coached. Get with the program here. Ask Eric if BBI would exist if people weren't allowed to have an opinion or criticize a coaches decision. He'd be out of business in no time.
Both teams used their top of the order  
Carl in CT : 10/6/2017 9:00 pm : link
Probably a no namer will be the hero
Allen is nails  
Dave in PA : 10/6/2017 9:00 pm : link
Hopefully he doesn't have 2 in ingsbworth in his arm tonight
Didi flies outs to shallow left.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:01 pm : link
1 down.
Castro lines out to center.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:02 pm : link
2 down quickly.
RE: jcn  
jcn56 : 10/6/2017 9:02 pm : link
In comment 13633810 MookGiants said:
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it doesn't matter that the Mets were hammered by basically every beat writer for taking lesser prospects for Bruce just to save a few bucks. No one is allowed to have an opinion or criticize anything unless they played professionally or coached. Get with the program here. Ask Eric if BBI would exist if people weren't allowed to have an opinion or criticize a coaches decision. He'd be out of business in no time.


Deep breaths, Mook, channel that energy over to Cleveland...
Bird walks on 4 pitches.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:03 pm : link
Hicks up.
Mook  
figgy2989 : 10/6/2017 9:03 pm : link
As a Mets fan, you are really going to bash them for not taking the Yanks shitty offer? Listen, they are a terrible run franchise and everyone knows it, but why would they they want to help the Yanks if every offer they were getting was pretty much the same? The Tribe was willing to pay the full salary (which the Yanks were not) and we know how the dollar pinching Wilpons operate.

Can you imagine the backlash if they traded him to the Yanks and he was the mission piece? They would be burning down the rotunda at Citi.
*missing piece  
figgy2989 : 10/6/2017 9:05 pm : link
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Hicks rips a single to right center.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:05 pm : link
1st and 3rd, 2 outs.
Yeah, no one cares about the Mets..  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/6/2017 9:05 pm : link
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C'mon Chase.  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 9:05 pm : link
Single to center.
Chase Headley pinch hitting  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:06 pm : link
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RE: Yeah, no one cares about the Mets..  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 9:06 pm : link
In comment 13633824 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Thank you.
ugh, anyone but Chase  
LG in NYC : 10/6/2017 9:06 pm : link
(hoping that seals the deal and he gets a hit)
My bad...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:07 pm : link
I didn't realize Chase batted already.
+1  
Route 9 : 10/6/2017 9:07 pm : link
Fuck the Mets
Headley grounds out weakly/meekly to second.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:07 pm : link
Inning over.
Nice of Headley to bring his  
Dave in PA : 10/6/2017 9:08 pm : link
Wet noodle all the way to Cleveland. Be gone with that fucking bum already
Headley is useless garbage  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/6/2017 9:08 pm : link
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nope - didn't work  
LG in NYC : 10/6/2017 9:08 pm : link
Chase did his usual suck job
Headley'd  
micky : 10/6/2017 9:08 pm : link
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the inspired move  
GentleGiant : 10/6/2017 9:08 pm : link
there would be to pinch hit Torreyes, he's been clutch all year.
Fuck Headley  
B in ALB : 10/6/2017 9:09 pm : link
And fuck the Mets.

Both are trash.
figgy  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 9:09 pm : link
the Mets would have done the same if it was the houston astros offering a better deal. They are insanely cheap and it screws fans like you over. I get what you're saying about not wanting to trade him to the Yankees, but the Mets at this point should be worried about improving their own team, not the Yankees. They are awful owners.
Santana pops out to second.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:11 pm : link
1 down in the bottom of the 10th.
Mook  
figgy2989 : 10/6/2017 9:14 pm : link
I agree. Just don't let the Mets terrible ownership and GM get you down. The blame is on Girardi!

Bruce grounds out to third,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:14 pm : link
ushering 9 million complaints about why Chappy didn't face him before.


2 down.
A-Jax with a soft bouncer that Chappy throws away.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:15 pm : link
A-Jax stays at first with 2 outs.
Another fucking error  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 9:16 pm : link
This game is going to take years off my life
Chapman  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 9:17 pm : link
has to eat that ball
Oh LORD....  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:17 pm : link
anyone want to explain this horseshit?????
Thank god this was a 5 pm start at least  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 9:18 pm : link
Small blessings
What a house of horrors  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 9:18 pm : link
this place is.
Kick the camera man out  
adamg : 10/6/2017 9:18 pm : link
Wtf is that shit?
Umps  
AnthonyM : 10/6/2017 9:18 pm : link
really trying to give this game to the Indians
This is ridiculous  
bxgiants4 : 10/6/2017 9:18 pm : link
That asshole reached onto the field of play
the camera man didnt reach out of the camera well  
jlukes : 10/6/2017 9:19 pm : link
it hit his hand and wrist when it was still within the well
Cameraman screws Yankees into a RISP situation  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:19 pm : link
...
if a fan does that  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 9:19 pm : link
he's probably booted from the game.
Yeah, he reached.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/6/2017 9:19 pm : link
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I swear, I've never seen anything like this game  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 9:20 pm : link
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Gonzalez flies out to right.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:20 pm : link
Inning over. Onto the top of the 11th.
Bird's HR was a lifetime ago.  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 9:21 pm : link
How bout a goddamned run?
RE: I swear, I've never seen anything like this game  
Danny Kanell : 10/6/2017 9:21 pm : link
In comment 13633860 Greg from LI said:
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Same here.
Yanks bats gone dead  
micky : 10/6/2017 9:21 pm : link
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Bottom of the 11th  
Percy : 10/6/2017 9:23 pm : link
Can't ask Chapman to do more tonight, can they? If not him, who now?
RE: What a house of horrors  
Bchurch : 10/6/2017 9:23 pm : link
In comment 13633852 bceagle05 said:
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this place is.


Seriously.. remember that Joba bug game?.. you can't make this shit up...
We need a hero  
Marty866b : 10/6/2017 9:23 pm : link
Who is it going to be?
Posada striking out  
Route 9 : 10/6/2017 9:23 pm : link
in 2007 was the last postseason moment in the old Yankee Stadium
Frazier cost them two runs  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 9:24 pm : link
How about making up for it by popping one here?
MUST score here  
Bchurch : 10/6/2017 9:24 pm : link
We dont habe many lives left..
Now THAT's a fucking error.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:24 pm : link
E-5... Frazier to 2nd.
Take that camera  
Route 9 : 10/6/2017 9:24 pm : link
jerk off
Wow, thats an unexpected break our way  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 9:25 pm : link
Here comes another bunt...we have to get the run in now
RE: Bottom of the 11th  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 9:25 pm : link
In comment 13633866 Percy said:
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Can't ask Chapman to do more tonight, can they? If not him, who now?


Betances. Has to be.
RE: MUST score here  
bigbluehoya : 10/6/2017 9:25 pm : link
In comment 13633871 Bchurch said:
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We dont habe many lives left..


Does this mean they aren't gonna suck this rookie's dick anymore?
Frazier almost got picked  
micky : 10/6/2017 9:25 pm : link
.
he's out  
jlukes : 10/6/2017 9:25 pm : link
wow
Oh fuck  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 9:26 pm : link
He may be out
he got picked!!  
micky : 10/6/2017 9:26 pm : link
.
Jesus christ  
bigbluehoya : 10/6/2017 9:26 pm : link
He just got fucking thrown out
Goodbye Toe  
DennyInDenville : 10/6/2017 9:26 pm : link
Don't come back next year
Unreal.  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 9:26 pm : link
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Fucking Toe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:26 pm : link
I can't believe that shit.
Fucking Christ  
Route 9 : 10/6/2017 9:26 pm : link
...
any time  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 9:27 pm : link
the bunt is in play, bad things happen.

Horrific.
shit torreyes  
micky : 10/6/2017 9:27 pm : link
.
_________  
I am Ninja : 10/6/2017 9:27 pm : link
fuck this bunch of clowns.
Judge HR needed  
Route 9 : 10/6/2017 9:27 pm : link
...
What  
cokeduplt : 10/6/2017 9:27 pm : link
An asshole Jesus christ
You can't get picked off in that situation  
montanagiant : 10/6/2017 9:27 pm : link
Stupid
I don't get pinch running for Frazier anyways  
nyjuggernaut2 : 10/6/2017 9:27 pm : link
He's got pretty good speed to begin with.
Unreal  
AnthonyM : 10/6/2017 9:27 pm : link
I cannot believe that he got thrown out.
...  
ilikethenygiants : 10/6/2017 9:28 pm : link
It's like they're trying to get the crowd back in it in amazing ways, inning after inning. So frustrating.
that was dumb  
micky : 10/6/2017 9:28 pm : link
.
Fuck that fucking  
Route 9 : 10/6/2017 9:28 pm : link
pissed me off
seriously though  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 9:28 pm : link
why is the 2nd basemen allowed to block the bag like that? I know they can, but there's no reason they should be allowed to basically put their leg down and block the base runners path to the bag
i want to f ing cry  
LG in NYC : 10/6/2017 9:28 pm : link
just f ing bunt him over... this is basic shit
Now  
cokeduplt : 10/6/2017 9:28 pm : link
Gardner swinging at everything couldve walked already
Unbelievable and unforgivable  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 9:28 pm : link
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torreyes cost them this game  
micky : 10/6/2017 9:29 pm : link
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RE: torreyes cost them this game  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 9:30 pm : link
In comment 13633902 micky said:
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Game ain't over
Gardner has been absolutely Ellsburian at the plate tonight.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:30 pm : link
Strikeout, 2 down.
What  
cokeduplt : 10/6/2017 9:31 pm : link
Are the odds if Judge not striking out
The Yanks have  
bluesince56 : 10/6/2017 9:31 pm : link
made a few other running mistakes this year.
That was a nice throw by their  
Route 9 : 10/6/2017 9:31 pm : link
catcher. Fuck this game, btw.
that 0-1 pitch  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 9:31 pm : link
was not a strike, jesus
The team ...  
Beer Man : 10/6/2017 9:33 pm : link
has mailed it in after taking the 8-3 lead
RE: that 0-1 pitch  
Route 9 : 10/6/2017 9:33 pm : link
In comment 13633910 MookGiants said:
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was not a strike, jesus


Was just about to post this
RE: RE: that 0-1 pitch  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 9:34 pm : link
In comment 13633913 Route 9 said:
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In comment 13633910 MookGiants said:


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was not a strike, jesus



Was just about to post this


Cleveland pitches have gotten virtually every borderline call in this series
RE: RE: torreyes cost them this game  
Beer Man : 10/6/2017 9:34 pm : link
In comment 13633904 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 13633902 micky said:


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Game ain't over
Joe G. cost them the game
Worked to a 3-2  
Route 9 : 10/6/2017 9:34 pm : link
Come on man put it over the phone
Judge takes ball 4... it was sorta close.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:34 pm : link
Sanchez up with 2 outs.
Until that one! Haha  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 9:35 pm : link
Finally catch a break on a call. Knock this sumbitch out, Gary
he got screwed  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 9:35 pm : link
on the 2nd pitch but got a call there.
He didn't get that call  
bigbluehoya : 10/6/2017 9:37 pm : link
Legit ball.

I think the balls and strikes have been pretty fair tonight.
Gary hammers one to center, but it's caught...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:37 pm : link
inning over.
Right to him  
Route 9 : 10/6/2017 9:37 pm : link
...
Its bad enough  
Beer Man : 10/6/2017 9:38 pm : link
to suffer through the Giants bone headedness, but tonight having to endure it with the yanks. Not a great time to be a NY sports fan.
Bah...hit it right at him  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 9:38 pm : link
Sucks
RE: He didn't get that call  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 9:38 pm : link
In comment 13633921 bigbluehoya said:
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Legit ball.

I think the balls and strikes have been pretty fair tonight.


Exactly...Judge is 67. Ball four was close, but thats a ball to him
I think it was definitely low, but it was rather close to take in that  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:38 pm : link
spot. The asshole from yesterday definitely would've rang Judge up.
Hope Betances pitches like he did last night  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 9:40 pm : link
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RE: Its bad enough  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 9:40 pm : link
In comment 13633924 Beer Man said:
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to suffer through the Giants bone headedness, but tonight having to endure it with the yanks. Not a great time to be a NY sports fan.


Come on man, this is a little extreme. The Giants suckiness aside, its a great time to be a Yankee fan. Theyre proving theyre not quite ready to take out one of the best teams in baseball, but theyre not far from reaching that level.
1 pitch from Betances and Lindor grounds out to second.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:41 pm : link
1 down.
We are gonna grind out a win  
DennyInDenville : 10/6/2017 9:41 pm : link
Man up
RE: RE: Its bad enough  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 9:41 pm : link
In comment 13633929 mfsd said:
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In comment 13633924 Beer Man said:


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to suffer through the Giants bone headedness, but tonight having to endure it with the yanks. Not a great time to be a NY sports fan.



Come on man, this is a little extreme. The Giants suckiness aside, its a great time to be a Yankee fan. Theyre proving theyre not quite ready to take out one of the best teams in baseball, but theyre not far from reaching that level.


They're a year ahead of schedule. No one expected them to make the playoffs this season.
Kipnis grounds out to second.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:42 pm : link
2 quick outs for Delly.
RE: RE: Its bad enough  
Beer Man : 10/6/2017 9:43 pm : link
In comment 13633929 mfsd said:
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In comment 13633924 Beer Man said:


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to suffer through the Giants bone headedness, but tonight having to endure it with the yanks. Not a great time to be a NY sports fan.



Come on man, this is a little extreme. The Giants suckiness aside, its a great time to be a Yankee fan. Theyre proving theyre not quite ready to take out one of the best teams in baseball, but theyre not far from reaching that level.
Not at all. If the Yanks lose tonight, they have only their selves to blame. First Joe's bone head decision to not challenge the hit batsmen, then Torreyes bone headed play to get picked off at 2nd
Delly strikes out Ramirez,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:43 pm : link
retires the side on 8 pitches.
That pitch has consistently been a strike for Cleveland  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 9:44 pm : link
Asshole
Nice and easy.  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 9:44 pm : link
Now let's score a motherfucking run. It's been like three hours since we have.
My bad...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:44 pm : link
it was just 7 pitches to retire the side.
Man, wherever Dellin's command had gone  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 9:45 pm : link
He sure found it again.
RE: RE: RE: Its bad enough  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 9:46 pm : link
In comment 13633937 Beer Man said:
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In comment 13633929 mfsd said:


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In comment 13633924 Beer Man said:


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to suffer through the Giants bone headedness, but tonight having to endure it with the yanks. Not a great time to be a NY sports fan.



Come on man, this is a little extreme. The Giants suckiness aside, its a great time to be a Yankee fan. Theyre proving theyre not quite ready to take out one of the best teams in baseball, but theyre not far from reaching that level.

Not at all. If the Yanks lose tonight, they have only their selves to blame. First Joe's bone head decision to not challenge the hit batsmen, then Torreyes bone headed play to get picked off at 2nd


Im with you, this game has been a skull fuck - just saying the big picture is still very bright.
Didi flies out to shallow center.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:47 pm : link
1 down.
Brutal ABs for Didi.  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 9:48 pm : link
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Josh Tomlin sucks ass  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 9:48 pm : link
Pound this fool
Starlin  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 9:48 pm : link
is due for a homer
Hey look, another strike that wasn't a strike  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 9:49 pm : link
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Castro grounds out to short.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:49 pm : link
2 down.
2-0  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 9:49 pm : link
pitch was not even remotely close to being a strike. Holy fuck
now everything  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 9:50 pm : link
is suddenly a strike
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING NME?  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 9:50 pm : link
That was neck high
Fucking horseshit.  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 9:51 pm : link
Horseshit!
Bird strikes out on 3 strike calls of varying shittiness  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:51 pm : link
...
gives him neck high  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 9:51 pm : link
and gives him below the knees twice in the same at bat.

4 called strikes in one inning that weren't
Wow this ump is awful  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/6/2017 9:51 pm : link
Two strikes that were clearly balls
What the fuck just happened  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 9:51 pm : link
Is this ump fucking kidding?
Holy shit....the guy has become Frank Drebin  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 9:51 pm : link
At most one of those were strikes, and ever that one was iffy
Unbelievable  
dune69 : 10/6/2017 9:51 pm : link
suck by that umpire. Bird had no chance to swing at a strike.
_________  
I am Ninja : 10/6/2017 9:51 pm : link
fuck this whole postseason.
Ump must want to go home  
jgambrosio : 10/6/2017 9:51 pm : link
Three absolutely horrific strikes
What a terrible time in the game  
Beer Man : 10/6/2017 9:52 pm : link
for the Ump to lose sight of the strike zone. WTF
Is this the naked gun  
Ronzo17 : 10/6/2017 9:52 pm : link
Strikezone
Who else here?  
Marty866b : 10/6/2017 9:52 pm : link
Wants to punch this umpire in the face?
Castro goes..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/6/2017 9:53 pm : link
from a 3-0 to a bullshit 2-1 and then Bird gets rung up on two horrific pitches.

Such crap.
At least it is going both ways.  
robbieballs2003 : 10/6/2017 9:54 pm : link
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Brantley grounds out to third.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:54 pm : link
1 down.
I was at my son's FB game tonight  
B in ALB : 10/6/2017 9:55 pm : link
Why was CC taken out after only like 70 something pitches? Didn't he have sn 8-3 lead?
Ump's are ready to go home  
WE GUNNA, STOMP YOU OUT! : 10/6/2017 9:56 pm : link
Horrible...
Maybe that pitch by Betances  
Beer Man : 10/6/2017 9:56 pm : link
knocked some sense into the ump
RE: I was at my son's FB game tonight  
robbieballs2003 : 10/6/2017 9:56 pm : link
In comment 13633970 B in ALB said:
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Why was CC taken out after only like 70 something pitches? Didn't he have sn 8-3 lead?


They said he only averaged like 83 per start this year and he was losing it a little.
Didi catches a line drive while shifted over.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:57 pm : link
2 down.
RE: I was at my son's FB game tonight  
Beer Man : 10/6/2017 9:57 pm : link
In comment 13633970 B in ALB said:
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Why was CC taken out after only like 70 something pitches? Didn't he have sn 8-3 lead?
Joe doing his best Sparky Andersen impersonation
RE: Who else here?  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 9:58 pm : link
In comment 13633965 Marty866b said:
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Wants to punch this umpire in the face?


After that last inning I almost want the Yanks to pull a Tigers and have the catcher intentionally miss a fastball so the ump takes it in the face
Someone finally shuts Bruce the fuck down.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 9:59 pm : link
Inning over. Great job by Delly.
RE: RE: Who else here?  
DennyInDenville : 10/6/2017 10:03 pm : link
In comment 13633976 mfsd said:
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In comment 13633965 Marty866b said:


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Wants to punch this umpire in the face?



After that last inning I almost want the Yanks to pull a Tigers and have the catcher intentionally miss a fastball so the ump takes it in the face

+1

Can't believe the tigers got away with that btw
this guy throws  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 10:03 pm : link
fucking junk. Swing the bat hicks
Hicks strikes out.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 10:03 pm : link
1 down.
WTF ...  
Beer Man : 10/6/2017 10:04 pm : link
How the hell was that a strike?
These at-bats are fucking pathetic.  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 10:04 pm : link
Ump isn't helping.
Headley is just fucking Headley.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 10:04 pm : link
2 outs.
Eh that was a strike  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/6/2017 10:04 pm : link
Nice AB Headley, garbage
Can't even hit sorryass Tomlin now  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 10:05 pm : link
Ugly
What a fucking joke.  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 10:05 pm : link
.
_________  
I am Ninja : 10/6/2017 10:05 pm : link
fuckin torreyas. go the fuck away.
Can't complain about that strike either  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/6/2017 10:05 pm : link
Swing the bat asshole
It was like watching Ellsbury bat 3 times in a row.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 10:05 pm : link
Inning over.
he's getting  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 10:05 pm : link
literally anything even remotely close to being a strike called a strike.

This is fucking sickening
Come on Ronald  
Beer Man : 10/6/2017 10:05 pm : link
You can't watch that pitch with two strikes
Can someone tell me what isn't a strike?  
jgambrosio : 10/6/2017 10:05 pm : link
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I give up  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 10:06 pm : link
This guy bet Cleveland.
The announcers actually made the point well about the ump  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 10:06 pm : link
The problem is his strike zone is changing as the game goes on. Thats whats fucked up
RE: Can't complain about that strike either  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 10:06 pm : link
In comment 13633988 BigBlue4You09 said:
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Swing the bat asshole


Actually, I can, because it's not a strike
Low pitches are..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/6/2017 10:07 pm : link
strikes, inside pitches are strikes, and outside pitches are strikes. The ump has literally expanded the zone in all directions for the Yanks the past two innings.

Can't tell if he's having problem judging the curve or not. Seems like the Bauer Syndrome.
Wonder if Dellin goes one more  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 10:08 pm : link
Only threw 16 I think
First pitch from Delly is somehow not a strike  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 10:08 pm : link
...
That first..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/6/2017 10:08 pm : link
pitch to Jackson is a strike for the Indians right now
Oh but that's not a strike huh?  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 10:09 pm : link
Eat my ass you incompetent sack of shit
Lol  
jgambrosio : 10/6/2017 10:09 pm : link
Let shrink the zone
HOW WAS THAT NOT A FUCKING STRIKE ASSHOLE!!!!!??????????  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 10:09 pm : link
A-Jax walks to lead off inning.
RE: That first..  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 10:10 pm : link
In comment 13634000 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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pitch to Jackson is a strike for the Indians right now


It was a better pitch than two of the calls against Bird
That's a walk..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/6/2017 10:10 pm : link
where two of those pitches are strikes for Yanks
Fucking garbage.  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 10:10 pm : link
This guy's gonna run all over Dellin too.
they  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 10:10 pm : link
should have robertson or someone yelling at the umpire. Who cares if he gets thrown out. Ridiculous that the Indians get a different strike zone
FUCK. THESE. UMPS..  
Bchurch : 10/6/2017 10:10 pm : link
.
Call me a homer all you want  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 10:11 pm : link
This guy is raping the

Oh and it was a foul tip too? Outstanding
Joe  
AnthonyM : 10/6/2017 10:11 pm : link
Get him out of the game!!!!!
DO these commentators know  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/6/2017 10:11 pm : link
you can't take a pitcher out mid AB?
this could be it  
LG in NYC : 10/6/2017 10:11 pm : link
the situation not in the Yanks favor right now.

Dellin getting tired; fast guy on 1st... this won't end well
I dont care off he  
cokeduplt : 10/6/2017 10:11 pm : link
Swung or not that was a strike. Thes umps are a joke
How the fuck..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/6/2017 10:11 pm : link
does a guy like Tomlin somehow get the benefit of the doubt?
Good throw by Gary, but the breaking ball gave him no chance.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 10:12 pm : link
A-Jax steals second.
RE: DO these commentators know  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 10:13 pm : link
In comment 13634011 BigBlue4You09 said:
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you can't take a pitcher out mid AB?


Fairly sure you can as long as the pitcher has faced at least one batter previous
Is this umpire the same bastard that was on third base last night?  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 10:13 pm : link
The one who screwed then two times there?
Fuck you ump.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 10:15 pm : link
Oh well.
Take that ump  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/6/2017 10:15 pm : link
Karma lol
Bahahaha hope that hurt you shitbird  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 10:15 pm : link
.
Maybe his sight will clear up now  
montanagiant : 10/6/2017 10:15 pm : link
and he will call an actual strike zone
haha  
LG in NYC : 10/6/2017 10:15 pm : link
someone got their wish
Loved that.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/6/2017 10:16 pm : link
Eat shit, ......
Oh fuck me  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/6/2017 10:17 pm : link
I BATE SPORTS
yup  
LG in NYC : 10/6/2017 10:17 pm : link
just about right
Yan fucking Gomes ends the game with an RBI single.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 10:18 pm : link
One of the worst losses in Yankees postseason history.
Fuck  
dune69 : 10/6/2017 10:18 pm : link
.
*HATE  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/6/2017 10:18 pm : link
HATE HATE HATE SPORTS
You've got to be fucking kidding me  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 10:18 pm : link
A weakass dribbler by yan fucking Gomes. Fuck this fucking game
Im just going to punch myself in the nuts  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 10:18 pm : link
after that one
_________  
I am Ninja : 10/6/2017 10:18 pm : link
get your camera and go interview them torreyas you piece of shit.
some really bad indiv performances tonight  
LG in NYC : 10/6/2017 10:18 pm : link
but this one goes on the manager
Nooooo  
DennyInDenville : 10/6/2017 10:18 pm : link
Well, good effort Yankees

Let's come back next year even better , much better

We skipped 1996, this was 97, next year is 1998
Girardi  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 10:18 pm : link
may never recover from this one.

Some series/games managers/coaches never recover from. This looks like one of those to me.

Season basically thrown down the drain because he doesn't challenge something that was clear to everyone watching. Tough to swallow
Thank you Joe Girardi and Chad Greene.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/6/2017 10:19 pm : link
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Ahh the life of a sports fan.  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 10:19 pm : link
Knew we were toast after the Lindor grand slam and I sat here for three hours and tortured myself.

Thanks Joe. Thanks Toe.
RE: Yan fucking Gomes ends the game with an RBI single.  
Stu11 : 10/6/2017 10:19 pm : link
In comment 13634026 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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One of the worst losses in Yankees postseason history.

We've been lucky enough to witness far far far more great moments than just about any fan base. I've been watching since '76. That is by far the shittiest loss I've ever seen.
Worse  
cokeduplt : 10/6/2017 10:19 pm : link
Game I ever watched. Horrible umpires and Girardi should be fired based on this game alone
Joe shit the bed with the non-challenge.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 10:19 pm : link
Chad Green shit the bed with everything he did.

Toe shit the bed by getting picked off while in scoring position.

Fuck this  
jgambrosio : 10/6/2017 10:20 pm : link
Fuck the Indians. Fuck Cleveland. Fuck the ump. The Yanks didn't lose this game, the Indians didn't win this game. Fuck the umps again. Way to celebrate like you just won the world series. I hope you just blew your load and you lose four straight.
I hope Houston flat out humiliated Cleveland  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 10:20 pm : link
The Yankees cost themselves this game but Cleveland sure as hell isn t a worthy Victor in this one
At least we have the giants....  
Joey from GlenCove : 10/6/2017 10:20 pm : link
O wait! That's already over
RE: Ahh the life of a sports fan.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 10:20 pm : link
In comment 13634036 bceagle05 said:
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Knew we were toast after the Lindor grand slam and I sat here for three hours and tortured myself.

Thanks Joe. Thanks Toe.


The lineup was catatonic for 3-4 innings afterwards.
Rest of the Story  
Percy : 10/6/2017 10:21 pm : link
Sebathia wins game 5 in Cleveland.
Greene  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 10:21 pm : link
didn't do a good job, but he had to get 4 outs because his manager made one of the worst mistakes in the history of sports.

That's not hyperbole. If an NFL coach didn't challenge something that was clearly a fumble that essentially would ice a playoff game and then lost, he would lose his job.
Chad was gassed - no shame in that. Smoltz saw it right away.  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 10:21 pm : link
Joe should've seen it too. Hung him out to dry, and fucked us all by not challenging. Enjoy that post game grilling, Joey G.
RE: At least we have the giants....  
jgambrosio : 10/6/2017 10:22 pm : link
In comment 13634042 Joey from GlenCove said:
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O wait! That's already over


Right in time for the rangers and Knicks... Sigh...
Fuck this shit...  
Bchurch : 10/6/2017 10:22 pm : link
Fuck Girardi right in the ass...
if Girardi  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 10:23 pm : link
blames anyone but himself for that review situation they should fire him on the spot
I'm not going back to read this thread  
KerrysFlask : 10/6/2017 10:23 pm : link
But what the fuck was Girardi and the staff or whoever the dumb ass motherfucker was that didn't challenge that shit thinking.

What the fuck was the downside?
I'd also add that Ellsbury and Headley were a combined 0-6  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 10:23 pm : link
with not one well struck ball between them.

Let fucking Holliday start Sunday.
Joe hung Green  
GentleGiant : 10/6/2017 10:23 pm : link
Robertson and Betances out to dry tonight.
Ive long been a Girardi supporter  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 10:23 pm : link
But his handling of this series has been terrible. I won't cry if he gets canned
Girardi  
beatrixkiddo : 10/6/2017 10:24 pm : link
Decided to go to the Ben MacAdoo school of managing tonight. I was screaming at him after that decision to not challenge and knew it would bite the team in the ass. Yanks and Giants both need new coaches in the worst ways possible. This is the kind of loss you don't recover from, so disappointing as I was looking forward to watching at least a few more baseball games with the Giants season already over.
Joe has 6 closer-caliber pitchers in the bullpen, but he still  
Jim in Hoboken : 10/6/2017 10:24 pm : link
finds ways to abuse all of them. I don't want him back.

I know we are a year early, but this is a tough way to lose.
RE: I'd also add that Ellsbury and Headley were a combined 0-6  
jgambrosio : 10/6/2017 10:24 pm : link
In comment 13634051 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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with not one well struck ball between them.

Let fucking Holliday start Sunday.


I was wondering earlier where the fuck Holliday is. One playoff tested guy with good pitch selection and power. Yea let's sit him and not have him hit all series.
Yep, Joe may have Showaltered himself tonight.  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 10:25 pm : link
Someone else will oversee the next great run while Joe bounces around for 20 years.
The guy I feel worst for is Robertson  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 10:25 pm : link
He never should have been in that position, not after 51 pitches on Tuesday and 1.1 today
Joe's explanation  
bluesince56 : 10/6/2017 10:25 pm : link
Of don't asking for a review is pathetic
Girardi's  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 10:25 pm : link
explanation is a fireable offense.

Talking about not wanting to break a pitchers rhythm and 30 second bullshit.

Sanchez was adamant that he was hit, and there is nothing to lose by challenging.

THE FUCKING INNING WAS OVER IF YOU CHALLENGE YOU FUCKING IDIOT. It wasn't the difference between a foul ball and a HBP, it was the difference between a strikeout, end of inning and a HBP.

Seriously, fire him now. That explanation was worse than blaming someone else.

All he needed to know was Sanchez knew it hit the knob. You have no risk in challenging at that point.
_________  
I am Ninja : 10/6/2017 10:26 pm : link
girardi getting grilled on the challenge. getting agitated. knows he dropped the ball.
He didn't want to  
bluesince56 : 10/6/2017 10:27 pm : link
take the pitcher out of the flow. What the hell!
I can't get over his explanation  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 10:27 pm : link
and the media should be ashamed of themselves for not going after him big time about it.

They basically took his bullshit explanation and didn't hammer him on it
He has to be a goner  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 10:27 pm : link
Torre survived multiple fireable offenses - using Weaver in 03, burning the Bullpen out in 04 - because he had the four rings. Joe only has one. Time for a change, see ya at Old Timers Day
RE: Ive long been a Girardi supporter  
Stu11 : 10/6/2017 10:28 pm : link
In comment 13634053 Greg from LI said:
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But his handling of this series has been terrible. I won't cry if he gets canned

Same page here. As I said earlier. Joe's non-challenge was Grady Little '03 level incompetence and that cost Little his job. I like Joe a lot and the main reason I wouldn't fire him is because I don't see a clear cut replacement.
RE: RE: Yan fucking Gomes ends the game with an RBI single.  
Craigg619 : 10/6/2017 10:28 pm : link
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One of the worst losses in Yankees postseason history.


We've been lucky enough to witness far far far more great moments than just about any fan base. I've been watching since '76. That is by far the shittiest loss I've ever seen.


Game 4 of 2004 ALCS has to take the cake, but this is right up there.
_________  
I am Ninja : 10/6/2017 10:28 pm : link
This ones on Sevy and Grey too. Just too much pen. Jesus this postseason has fuckin sucked dick.
RE: The guy I feel worst for is Robertson  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 10:28 pm : link
In comment 13634058 Greg from LI said:
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He never should have been in that position, not after 51 pitches on Tuesday and 1.1 today


He was pitching great in this game. Oddly enough, had he not pitched so well Joe probably would've pulled him and used Chappy for Bruce.
I cant stomach watching any postgame  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 10:28 pm : link
But if Joe is actually trying to justify not challenging, he really should be fired. Or, I guess, simply not brought back as his contract is up
joe screwed it up bad  
Dankbeerman : 10/6/2017 10:29 pm : link
Toereyes is gonna take the heat, but joe cant let delin pitch after the walk. he already pitched 2 and is a danger with runners on. also after the steal you walk gomes. plus the non review.

I mean a bit of offense would help too.
_________  
I am Ninja : 10/6/2017 10:29 pm : link
Flaherty and Curry on attack.
WHY DO YOU NEED  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 10:30 pm : link
A FUCKING SUPER SLOW MO TO CHALLENGE IT?

Now he's basically enforcing a rule that umpires don't enforce on himself. They didn't tell him he had to give a decision he gave it to them himself because he was thinking of a dumb rule that they never even enforce and weren't trying to enforce.

Just trust what sanchez and chisenhall did.

They have to fire him. Any manager that could do what he did in that situation can never be trusted in a big spot ever again.

I can't believe what he just said. He actually would have been better off if he threw someone under the bus
Post game is  
bluesince56 : 10/6/2017 10:30 pm : link
Ripping him
RE: He didn't want to  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 10:30 pm : link
In comment 13634062 bluesince56 said:
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take the pitcher out of the flow. What the hell!


Chad Green was already out of the flow. He wasn't right from the moment he got out there. It took him forever to get A-Jax out, then he gave up a hard hit double to a shitty hitter.
As a long time yankees and cubs fan  
KerrysFlask : 10/6/2017 10:30 pm : link
I've always loved Girardi.

But this is TERRIBLE fucking managing. No excuse for that shit. Contract is up. Previous poster is right. Let someone else ride this run and steer the ship for the next dynasty of Yankees baseball.

Later Joe.
RE: _________  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 10:31 pm : link
In comment 13634071 I am Ninja said:
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Flaherty and Curry on attack.


Yep, and none of the fucking morons in the interview room in Cleveland went after him even 10% as much as they should have.

_________  
I am Ninja : 10/6/2017 10:31 pm : link
Kay and Singleton now.... this could be bad for Joe.
RE: RE: The guy I feel worst for is Robertson  
Dankbeerman : 10/6/2017 10:31 pm : link
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He never should have been in that position, not after 51 pitches on Tuesday and 1.1 today



He was pitching great in this game. Oddly enough, had he not pitched so well Joe probably would've pulled him and used Chappy for Bruce.


Robertson also needs to throw the breaking ball there. let him walk if it misses
Joe didn't want to challenge  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/6/2017 10:32 pm : link
To break Greenes rhythm? IS he fucking serious?!
RE: RE: RE: Yan fucking Gomes ends the game with an RBI single.  
Stu11 : 10/6/2017 10:32 pm : link
In comment 13634066 Craigg619 said:
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One of the worst losses in Yankees postseason history.


We've been lucky enough to witness far far far more great moments than just about any fan base. I've been watching since '76. That is by far the shittiest loss I've ever seen.



Game 4 of 2004 ALCS has to take the cake, but this is right up there.

naaa '04 was bad but that was over in the first inning. This one we had to be tantalized and tortured for almost 3 hours AFTER the grandslam
Goodness,  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/6/2017 10:32 pm : link
the grandslam Greene gave up almost went into the 4th deck. Jesus Christ. Horrible.
RE: RE: _________  
Stu11 : 10/6/2017 10:33 pm : link
In comment 13634076 MookGiants said:
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Flaherty and Curry on attack.



Yep, and none of the fucking morons in the interview room in Cleveland went after him even 10% as much as they should have.

Who cares we all know he fucked up. What should they do start a fight?
Ive defended Girardi more than most  
mfsd : 10/6/2017 10:34 pm : link
and argued with some of you guys about it here in the past. But that time is done. Cashman set him up with 5 bazookas in the bullpen and hes gone full fucking debacle with it.

And thats not even covering choosing not to review. What does that say to a team full of players going all out to win a huge road playoff game?

We ripped Kluber tonight on the road, had an 8-3 lead and choked it away. Just ducking terrible.
Kay questioning  
bluesince56 : 10/6/2017 10:34 pm : link
why Joe took CC out
Goodness Michael Kay sure isn't shy about ripping Girardi  
DennyInDenville : 10/6/2017 10:35 pm : link
For a Yes employee.. Levine must be involved
Ahh the life of New York teams  
prdave73 : 10/6/2017 10:35 pm : link
And their coaching. Smh..
I guess Joe attending  
B in ALB : 10/6/2017 10:36 pm : link
McAdoos coaching seminar at the Trenton La Quinta Inn last week paid off. Well done assholes.

I fucking hate our coaches. Hate them.
RE: RE: RE: _________  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 10:37 pm : link
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Flaherty and Curry on attack.



Yep, and none of the fucking morons in the interview room in Cleveland went after him even 10% as much as they should have.



Who cares we all know he fucked up. What should they do start a fight?


Yes, they all should have had the exact response that Curry and Flaherty did in the studio.

They let him off the hook in the interview. No one challenged him when he basically said he enforced a rule on himself that the umpires werent even enforcing.

Every question in that PC should have been about that 6th inning, from taking CC out to the rest. Each explanation should have been followed up by a question pressing him more. The media in new york knows how to go on the attack against coaches even when they have no business doing so, yet they all sat there on their asses tonight when they needed to attack him
.  
Danny Kanell : 10/6/2017 10:38 pm : link
This loss is squarely on Girardi. No one else. They had a chance to get a leg up in a playoff series against the best team in baseball and the manager cost them for no good reason and likely cost them their season. As season where they could have had a shot at a title.

I like Girardi but he lost his job tonight.
The "non challenge game"  
Kyle in NY : 10/6/2017 10:38 pm : link
Like the midges ten years ago. Just an inexcusable mistake by the manager. That one is going to hurt for a while

Damnit
Well, Joe can't undo what he did, there is no point pressing him on  
Jim in Hoboken : 10/6/2017 10:39 pm : link
it. It was definitely a brain fart on his part.

It's time for him to go anyway.
RE: Kay questioning  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 10:39 pm : link
In comment 13634084 bluesince56 said:
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why Joe took CC out


If I had to guess, I'd say because Chad Green has been the best relief pitcher in all of baseball the second half of the season and really wasn't being used inconsistently with how he's been used all year. Now Green fucking sucked, but let's stop acting like Joe pulled CC out to bring in Sergio Mitre.
Chad Green had 1 bad game since the middle of August prior  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 10:40 pm : link
to tonight.
if you lose this series  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 10:40 pm : link
how do you even think about signing Girardi to a new contract come next week?

I have defended Girardi for years here. I think he's done a good job.

I just see this loss/series as one of those that a manager never recovers from. And I don't want to piss away another year before they realize that.

It was truly a Buck Showalter moment for Girardi
Kay  
jestersdead : 10/6/2017 10:41 pm : link
brings up a good point about CC. He retired the 3rd, 4th and 5th innings 1,2,3. Then lets up a hit in the 6th, gets the next batter and is pulled. He was at 70 pitches.
100% with everything Mook is saying  
Kyle in NY : 10/6/2017 10:41 pm : link
Fire. This. Man.
Fucking disaster  
Matt in SGS : 10/6/2017 10:41 pm : link
And you could see this coming a mile away once the non challenge happened. Girardi has his Grady Little moment, forget Showalter
RE: RE: Kay questioning  
robbieballs2003 : 10/6/2017 10:42 pm : link
In comment 13634092 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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why Joe took CC out



If I had to guess, I'd say because Chad Green has been the best relief pitcher in all of baseball the second half of the season and really wasn't being used inconsistently with how he's been used all year. Now Green fucking sucked, but let's stop acting like Joe pulled CC out to bring in Sergio Mitre.


I am fine with the CC move. The non-challenge is inexcusable and leaving Betances in was also a horrendous move. We all know Betances cannot pitch with runners on and the leadoff guy got on. Everybody and their mother knew the Indian was stealing. You just allowed a guy to get into scoring position with no outs. Unreal.
so who do you guys wanna bring in as manager?  
DennyInDenville : 10/6/2017 10:42 pm : link
We can have anyone we want..

AROD?
I like Joe on a personal level  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 10:42 pm : link
Liked him as a player, seems like a good guy and a straight shooter. Think he's had a nice run here. This was pretty clearly his most questionable season though, in terms of strategy and decision-making. Mow, on top of that, he pretty much singlehandedly cost them a playoff game that they just HAD to win. It's inexcusable.

Every manager has a sell-by date. JOE HAS HIT HIS.
If people want to kill Joe for the non-challenge, have at it.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 10:43 pm : link
His reason is completely moronic. But acting like bringing in Chad Green was dumb considering how great he's been is a bit much. You would think he brought in Chasen Shreve. The guy just shit the bed... granted he should've been out of the inning with no damage.

What a clusterfuck.
I don't have any problem with lifting CC  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2017 10:45 pm : link
He's not been able to give them many innings all year long and you have Green, who had a '96 Mariano kind of year. He just didn't get it done. Going to Green was still the right call though.
.  
Danny Kanell : 10/6/2017 10:45 pm : link
8-3 lead, Encarnacion hurt, beat up their ace, all the momentum in the world against the best team in the AL and Girardi fucks the entire thing up. I still can't believe it.
If George were running things, you'd know he was a goner.  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 10:45 pm : link
We'll see if Hal has the chops. I'm sure Levine is already working him.
At the end of the 5th  
dune69 : 10/6/2017 10:46 pm : link
I had just commented that CC looked strong. He was mowing them down with an 8-3 lead. He puts one guy on in the 6th and Joe takes the ball away. CC is a seasoned playoff pitcher and he had more in the tank. I was frustrated then and now. If Green had been his normal self, it would have been forgotten. I think CC had 3 to 5 more outs in him. Sucks.
RE: .  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2017 10:46 pm : link
In comment 13634104 Danny Kanell said:
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8-3 lead, Encarnacion hurt, beat up their ace, all the momentum in the world against the best team in the AL and Girardi fucks the entire thing up. I still can't believe it.


That about sums it up.
RE: RE: RE: Yan fucking Gomes ends the game with an RBI single.  
Bchurch : 10/6/2017 10:46 pm : link
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One of the worst losses in Yankees postseason history.


We've been lucky enough to witness far far far more great moments than just about any fan base. I've been watching since '76. That is by far the shittiest loss I've ever seen.



Game 4 of 2004 ALCS has to take the cake, but this is right up there.


Honestly I haven't been this emotional about a baseball game since then.. I'm downright angry right now.. and to see the Indians celebrating like they won the world series makes me want to puke.. I turned the tv back in after 15 minutes and there is Jay Bruce with Gatorade dropping down his hat still on the field being interviewed... FUCK!!!!
yeah the CC thing  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 10:47 pm : link
doesn't bother me much at all.

CC hasn't thrown a bunch of pitches for most of the year, they had their bullpen ready to go in a must win situation.

Zero issue bringing Greene in.

I would not have brought Robertson out for what I consider is his 3rd inning of work. I know outs wise it wasn't, but the bigger thing to me is how many times he had to pitch, sit down, pitch, sit down, pitch. He did it the other night for the first time all year and threw 50+ pitches, I don't push that envelope again tonight.

But that's not that huge of a deal, I can see both sides of it at least.

The non-challenge is a fireable offense.
I think you need a new manager in 2018  
B in ALB : 10/6/2017 10:48 pm : link
To successfully guide this group of possibly the most talented unbelievably young team into championships. Girardi isn't the guy.

Look, he's a good man, solid, etc. But he ain't the guy to lead the future.
no idea  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 10:48 pm : link
why im saying Greene. Losing my mind like Girardi did apparently
I know all the arms in the pen were great all year, but you can't ask  
Jim in Hoboken : 10/6/2017 10:50 pm : link
them to give you 40+ pitches every other game.
RE: RE: RE: RE: _________  
Stu11 : 10/6/2017 10:51 pm : link
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Flaherty and Curry on attack.



Yep, and none of the fucking morons in the interview room in Cleveland went after him even 10% as much as they should have.



Who cares we all know he fucked up. What should they do start a fight?



Yes, they all should have had the exact response that Curry and Flaherty did in the studio.

They let him off the hook in the interview. No one challenged him when he basically said he enforced a rule on himself that the umpires werent even enforcing.

Every question in that PC should have been about that 6th inning, from taking CC out to the rest. Each explanation should have been followed up by a question pressing him more. The media in new york knows how to go on the attack against coaches even when they have no business doing so, yet they all sat there on their asses tonight when they needed to attack him

Mook Joe is a stand up guy who would never throw a coach or player under the bus to the media. I could be 100% wrong here, but I bet his replay guy told him it wasn't clear enough to challenge and he came up with that lame BS excuse to keep from giving the real reason. Maybe I'm wrong but who knows, either way fighting him in the interview room accomplishes nothing.
Leaving in Robby was a tough decision.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 10:53 pm : link
I understand why he did it, but I recognize it was debatable. My only argument with people here was don't act like it was a no-brainer.

- Robby mowed through 4 guys on only 17 pitches
- If we could trust Betances, this game would've ended a long time ago in victory
- I don't think he really wanted to have to get 6 outs with Chappy
I dont think  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 10:54 pm : link
he made up somethign to protect his replay guy.

They had an issue earlier in the year with not getting the slow mo replay in time to challenge something. They apparently had it again tonight. He didn't challenge that time either as a result.

The media ALWAYS hammers these coaches over stuff like this. Hell they go after coaches when they have no reason to and they just want to start shit. Why all of them in that room chose to give him a pass tonight when hammering him was warranted is beyond me.

.  
Danny Kanell : 10/6/2017 10:55 pm : link
I know it's fresh but this is probably the 4th worst loss in my lifetime. 2004, Edgar Martinez, 2001 game 7 against the Dbacks and this.
I know I hate the bunt more than anyone  
MookGiants : 10/6/2017 10:58 pm : link
but hopefully shit like what happened tonight will convince them to stop bunting. If they never bunted ever again they would be much better off. For every 1 time it's the right play, there's 5 where it's the wrong play, so just stop doing it all together. Bad things regularly happen when they try to bunt or bunt
Did Joe say why he didn't bring in Chapman to pitch to Bruce  
nyjuggernaut2 : 10/6/2017 10:59 pm : link
in the 8th inning?
RE: I know I hate the bunt more than anyone  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2017 11:01 pm : link
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but hopefully shit like what happened tonight will convince them to stop bunting. If they never bunted ever again they would be much better off. For every 1 time it's the right play, there's 5 where it's the wrong play, so just stop doing it all together. Bad things regularly happen when they try to bunt or bunt


Gardner looked horrific at the plate tonight. If there was any guy who needed to bunt it was him. Problem is, when you're supposed to bunt, you can't be pulling the bat back unless the pitch is completely unhittable. No matter WTF happens, Toe can't get picked off by a catcher in that spot at second base. Can't fucking happen.

Just a lot of dumb shit that leads to losing a playoff game in that situation.
I'm not quitting  
dune69 : 10/6/2017 11:04 pm : link
on this group. 3 wins against this team will be difficult. This young Yankee group comes alive at home and I could see some of the dead bats come alive. Win on Sunday and the Indians will start feeling the rectums tighten a little.
You hang a 6 on Kluber and can't win  
B in ALB : 10/6/2017 11:10 pm : link
Because your manager is an idiot. Unreal.
FYI I was on my way home from my son's little league game  
Stu11 : 10/6/2017 11:58 pm : link
when the infamous non-replay thing happened. Not that I need to tell you all this but Sterling and Susan need to be fired yesterday. They had no clue what the fuck happened. They both looked at multiple replays and both agreed that the ball hit nothing. Not even a remote clue about the foul tip. Then on the Grand Slam for a few seconds Sterling had no clue what the fuck happened. As usual I knew it was gone by the crowd reaction. Never mentioned once that it hit the foul pole.
RE: FYI I was on my way home from my son's little league game  
Dave in PA : 10/7/2017 12:08 am : link
In comment 13634150 Stu11 said:
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when the infamous non-replay thing happened. Not that I need to tell you all this but Sterling and Susan need to be fired yesterday. They had no clue what the fuck happened. They both looked at multiple replays and both agreed that the ball hit nothing. Not even a remote clue about the foul tip. Then on the Grand Slam for a few seconds Sterling had no clue what the fuck happened. As usual I knew it was gone by the crowd reaction. Never mentioned once that it hit the foul pole.
its really a shame that the Yankees are unlistenable radio. We deserve better, much better.
We came to play today...  
Bchurch : 10/7/2017 12:08 am : link
Scored early and often.. CC pitched well.. but errors early on and bad coaching cost us this game.. plus once we got kicked in the mouth we didn't know how to regroup and bounce back. Encouraging but signs of a young team. Playing a team like this you can't afford mistakes they will make you pay. I hope we learn from this and add some solid veteran leadership this off-season.

RE: FYI I was on my way home from my son's little league game  
B in ALB : 10/7/2017 12:10 am : link
In comment 13634150 Stu11 said:
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when the infamous non-replay thing happened. Not that I need to tell you all this but Sterling and Susan need to be fired yesterday. They had no clue what the fuck happened. They both looked at multiple replays and both agreed that the ball hit nothing. Not even a remote clue about the foul tip. Then on the Grand Slam for a few seconds Sterling had no clue what the fuck happened. As usual I knew it was gone by the crowd reaction. Never mentioned once that it hit the foul pole.


Centerstage starring John Sterling is on YES right now. Tune in! It's exhilarating!
RE: We came to play today...  
Dave in PA : 10/7/2017 12:18 am : link
In comment 13634153 Bchurch said:
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Scored early and often.. CC pitched well.. but errors early on and bad coaching cost us this game.. plus once we got kicked in the mouth we didn't know how to regroup and bounce back. Encouraging but signs of a young team. Playing a team like this you can't afford mistakes they will make you pay. I hope we learn from this and add some solid veteran leadership this off-season.
lets get rid of Chase Headley while we're at it. Just suck it up and eat the last year of that blundered contract. How many weak ground balls can one man hit in a single season? Fuckin A with Headley, I'm sick of him. Todd Frazier can hit the road too, I am not impressed with any aspect of his game. In a league where everyone and their mother are hitting homeruns I'm sure we could find someone else on the cheap to run into a few homers and hit below the Mendoza line. Ellsbury, ah forget it.
RE: RE: We came to play today...  
DennyInDenville : 10/7/2017 12:20 am : link
In comment 13634155 Dave in PA said:
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Scored early and often.. CC pitched well.. but errors early on and bad coaching cost us this game.. plus once we got kicked in the mouth we didn't know how to regroup and bounce back. Encouraging but signs of a young team. Playing a team like this you can't afford mistakes they will make you pay. I hope we learn from this and add some solid veteran leadership this off-season.


lets get rid of Chase Headley while we're at it. Just suck it up and eat the last year of that blundered contract. How many weak ground balls can one man hit in a single season? Fuckin A with Headley, I'm sick of him. Todd Frazier can hit the road too, I am not impressed with any aspect of his game. In a league where everyone and their mother are hitting homeruns I'm sure we could find someone else on the cheap to run into a few homers and hit below the Mendoza line. Ellsbury, ah forget it.

Agreed. I want Headley off the team.

Torres at 3B next year. Let Torreyes or a vet play april and may if Torres needs a little extra seasoning from the injury
Torres should be at second  
Greg from LI : 10/7/2017 12:24 am : link
Ship Castro's ass the hell out of town. Tired of seeing him sleepwalking in the field. Get another year out of Headley or some other stopgap 3B and then sign Machado.

Let's not let Girardi's monumental blunder obscure the fact that the game was one of the sorriest attempts at umping a game I've ever seen. That clown should be hitting the bricks just like Girardi.
I think Gleyber's elbow injury  
bceagle05 : 10/7/2017 12:39 am : link
was one of the biggest injuries we suffered this year - he was coming for somebody's job and would've helped us.

Machado/Didi/Gleyber/Bird/Sanchez around the horn is what I've been dreaming of. Judge/Hicks/Gardy next year in the OF, with Clint and then Florial (later on) working their way in, too. We'll bludgeon teams. But those are off-season convos - hopefully we avoid them for a few more days.
RE: Torres should be at second  
adamg : 10/7/2017 12:40 am : link
In comment 13634157 Greg from LI said:
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Ship Castro's ass the hell out of town. Tired of seeing him sleepwalking in the field. Get another year out of Headley or some other stopgap 3B and then sign Machado.

Let's not let Girardi's monumental blunder obscure the fact that the game was one of the sorriest attempts at umping a game I've ever seen. That clown should be hitting the bricks just like Girardi.


I'm with this. Castro shipped for a decent starter would be great. Machado's glove and bat combo will be well appreciated having watched Frazier fuck up twice in the field today, and that's with him supposing to be our sure hander at 3rd.

We haven't had the production at third that we deserve since A-Rod.
fuck the no instant replay call  
RasputinPrime : 10/7/2017 1:22 am : link
fuck not being able to hit Timlin

and fuck the GD Indians.
Just read some of Girardis post game comments  
mfsd : 10/7/2017 6:16 am : link
Criminal. The I didnt want to disrupt the pitchers rhythm line is utter shit.

Then he said he left Green in (who clearly didnt have his good stuff) bc Lindor was 0-2 lifetime against Green. A sample size of 2 fucking ABs, so he leaves in a pitcher who just got ripped by Yan Gomes?!?!

Ive groused about the binders derisive nickname many times, but its so fucking accurate and spot on after last nights debacle I hereby concede the debate now and forever.
RE: Just read some of Girardis post game comments  
section125 : 10/7/2017 6:19 am : link
In comment 13634176 mfsd said:
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Criminal. The I didnt want to disrupt the pitchers rhythm line is utter shit.

Then he said he left Green in (who clearly didnt have his good stuff) bc Lindor was 0-2 lifetime against Green. A sample size of 2 fucking ABs, so he leaves in a pitcher who just got ripped by Yan Gomes?!?!

Ive groused about the binders derisive nickname many times, but its so fucking accurate and spot on after last nights debacle I hereby concede the debate now and forever.


If they lose this series, do you think Joe just lost his job?

Beating Kluber to go even up in the series coming the the Stadium would have been huge.
RE: RE: Just read some of Girardis post game comments  
mfsd : 10/7/2017 6:23 am : link
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Criminal. The I didnt want to disrupt the pitchers rhythm line is utter shit.

Then he said he left Green in (who clearly didnt have his good stuff) bc Lindor was 0-2 lifetime against Green. A sample size of 2 fucking ABs, so he leaves in a pitcher who just got ripped by Yan Gomes?!?!

Ive groused about the binders derisive nickname many times, but its so fucking accurate and spot on after last nights debacle I hereby concede the debate now and forever.



If they lose this series, do you think Joe just lost his job?

Beating Kluber to go even up in the series coming the the Stadium would have been huge.


I concede Im clearly still very wound up, like most of us...so my first reaction is how can he not lose his job?

I wonder how Cashman feels about it, or the rest of the Yanks brass. I suspect Cash is very frustrated, but I have no doubt Levine, Trost and the rest of that merry band of bean counters love Girardi, bc he never embarrasses them off the field and likely doesnt complain much.

So the question may be...whos calls is it really?

Joe and his stupid formula  
blueblood'11 : 10/7/2017 7:43 am : link
That was his reason for taking C.C. out. Not because he threw too many pitches. He was only at 76. Because thats the way theyve been doing it most of the year. He said that in his post game presser.

And I disagree with those who say C.C. didnt give you much past that all year anyway. Joe used the 100 pitch barometer on C.C. when it came to taking him out this year. C.C. was in cruise control and the way he was pitching could have easily gone seven.

Joe got in the way this time. Its his managerial style. He makes moves because thats what managers do. Not because its necessary. I was shocked when took C.C. out. Even as he brought Chad Green in I thought well its Chad Green but at that point why? C.C. was in complete control and he had a five run lead with one out in the sixth against and an Indian team that couldnt figure him out.

It wasnt a one run lead and the Indians pushing the issue. Joe blew it. Then he compounds the problem but not listening to his catcher late in the game and doesnt challange because his replay guy cant give him an up or down signal. What did he have to lose. In this case after that performance he may have engineered his way out of New York.
That rationale about Green  
RetroJint : 10/7/2017 8:13 am : link
was about the most stupid fucking reason that I've ever heard a coach or manager relay. Girardi, with his engineering degree from Northwestern , is beyond bright . But, Cmon! Games get interrupted all the time now. The umps would have changed that call in a minute .

He is formulaic to a fault . However, this time he made some moves outside the box. Pitching Robertson a second inning. I've always advocated that. Well, Alabamie fell behind Bruce , whose mind set was not to swing at a curveball, So he keep giving him curveballs . Sanchez switched at 2-0. Bruce knew exactly where he was going with the ball.

But Frazier gave Cleveland 2 runs early. You're playing in a stadium that has always played small, just like Camden. When batters hit the ball on the ground in MLB this season , the Out rate is 86 %. So CC got porked. First by Frazier, then Girardi.

8-3 with the world's best pull pen . 11 outs to go. Now they probably will get swept because the Indians left-handed bats will pepper the right-field seats against Tanaka.

Lastly it looks like the umpire Union has decided that the Indians are going to end the streak this season. The field has been tilted to their advantage . Tough combo to beat because the team is damn good.
Still fucking furious.  
bceagle05 : 10/7/2017 8:52 am : link
It's time for a change at manager. Forget the fans or media - the players probably want him out after that debacle.
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Danny Kanell : 10/7/2017 9:02 am : link
Still can't fucking believe it.
I fucking hate sports  
djm : 10/7/2017 9:18 am : link
Only solace I get from tv is the fucking Ken burns Vietnam war doc. Fuck!!!!!

Fuck!!!!!!
RE: 100% with everything Mook is saying  
djm : 10/7/2017 9:23 am : link
In comment 13634096 Kyle in NY said:
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Fire. This. Man.


Are you firing the man to punish or because there's a better replacement?

You better think long and hard on that one.

They aren't firing girardi because he failed to challenge a call that may not even get over turned and they aren't firing girardi because he pulled CC for a red hot bullpen.

It wasn't a good game for Joe but he's not getting fired. And you don't fire guys because the mgr won't Recover. That doesn't even make sense. The bp blew it. It's painful I know.
RE: RE: 100% with everything Mook is saying  
BigBlueShock : 10/7/2017 9:26 am : link
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Fire. This. Man.



Are you firing the man to punish or because there's a better replacement?

You better think long and hard on that one.

They aren't firing girardi because he failed to challenge a call that may not even get over turned and they aren't firing girardi because he pulled CC for a red hot bullpen.

It wasn't a good game for Joe but he's not getting fired. And you don't fire guys because the mgr won't Recover. That doesn't even make sense. The bp blew it. It's painful I know.

If you don't think that call would have been overturned then you're simply not paying attention. Stop with the contrarian nonsense. If there was ever anything that nobody could take the contrarian view on, it is absolutely this non challenge. No excuse for it
Yes postgame  
blueblood'11 : 10/7/2017 9:31 am : link
Those guys didnt hold anything back. They roundly criticized Girardi for taking C.C. out when it wasnt necessary. And not listening to his catcher on the foul tip. They felt at that point in the game what did he have to lose by challenging. Why wait for an up or down from the replay guy. The worse that could happen is the call stands. Plus after seven innings the umpires have the option to review anything they feel is a questionable call. All the more reason to challange.

As a Yankee fan Ive grown tired of Girardis cookie cutter approach to managing. He has blown a lot of games over the years by inserting himself into the equation simply because its what his notebook tells him to do. Not what the action on the field indicates. And boy, last night was the poster child for that. He made one bad move after the next. And one bad non move after the next. He pushed all the buttons last night and they were all wrong. It was whack a mole at its worst.
Yanks Tribe should be 1-1  
BlueHurricane : 10/7/2017 9:35 am : link
Girardi absolutely ruined the weekend before it started. I want to cause him physical pain. Still steaming.

On my way to let out my moms dogs last night Jawn and Susan were joking about what the stadium would look like Sunday. John said "if they hold on to win" and Susan said "You think they are coming back on this bullpen..... With the way CC is pitching""

Well Jawn and Susan. Joe Girardi wasn't having any part of the easy win. Fucking season ruined by the monkey headed asshole.
It's really really hard for a baseball manager to lose a game  
arniefez : 10/7/2017 9:39 am : link
But Girardi proved his greatness by doing it in a game that will never be forgotten. The Yankees will reward him with a raise and a new 4 contract about 11/1.
All of the "he should have left CC in there" crowd are classic WFAN  
Stu11 : 10/7/2017 9:46 am : link
2nd guessers. I offer you last week exhibit "A" vs. KC. He was rolling along shutting them out through 6. in about 3 pitches and 2 bombs it was 6-3. CC is a 5+ inning pitcher these days and he loses it quick. That was absolutely the right move. The non-challenge obviously was horrific. Leaving Robertson in we can debate I'm in the leave him in camp. It didn't work out. Bruce had an all time AB. After that the offense lost them the game. Betances/Chappy gave them 4 superb innings. Allen/Miller were clearly on fumes and we couldn't take advantage. Oh well it sucks. Take out 2009 and our playoff performances the past 16 years have been pretty lousy. Hopefully this year is '95 all over again and its the necessary prelude to another great run with or without Girardi.
RE: RE: RE: 100% with everything Mook is saying  
djm : 10/7/2017 9:51 am : link
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Fire. This. Man.



Are you firing the man to punish or because there's a better replacement?

You better think long and hard on that one.

They aren't firing girardi because he failed to challenge a call that may not even get over turned and they aren't firing girardi because he pulled CC for a red hot bullpen.

It wasn't a good game for Joe but he's not getting fired. And you don't fire guys because the mgr won't Recover. That doesn't even make sense. The bp blew it. It's painful I know.


If you don't think that call would have been overturned then you're simply not paying attention. Stop with the contrarian nonsense. If there was ever anything that nobody could take the contrarian view on, it is absolutely this non challenge. No excuse for it


I'm not paying attention because I'm speculating that the umps won't over turn a bang bang call that all of us to a man aren't even sure tipped the bat. We think it tipped the bat. We want to believe it tipped the bat especially in the heat of the moment last night. But we don't know anything. It was a close play. Umps fuck up easy calls but you're certain they get this one?

He should have challenged. It's still not a fireable offense.
Hey you want your pound of flesh  
djm : 10/7/2017 9:55 am : link
Go ahead and fire the guy. But we could do a lot worse than having girardi as the skipper here. Every year the yanks virtually play over their heads with girardi calling the shots. He did a masterful job this season. He had a bad night.
I'm not a contrarian  
djm : 10/7/2017 9:56 am : link
I wanted mcadoo fired 3 weeks ago.
Yeah, I've seen CC suddenly implode in the 6th too man times  
Greg from LI : 10/7/2017 9:57 am : link
to get worked up about putting in a guy who had an insane season. Not holding that one against Girardi at all, not when there are so many better reasons.
And for all of the knee jerk fire Girardi crowd  
Stu11 : 10/7/2017 10:02 am : link
who is your replacement? I'm not saying he can't be fired, but this is a unique job. Its not a plug the next manager dujour in there and run with it. Handling NY is a whole different animal. for you guys that know the system better than I is there a guy down there that deserves a shot? Again managing in Scranton or Trenton is a lot different than here but I'm seriously asking because I'm not all that familiar with the up and coming guys either throughout the system or the league.
Last night's outcome shouldn't change your opinion of Girardi  
jcn56 : 10/7/2017 10:08 am : link
Cleveland's a really good team. Make no mistake, Girardi screwed the pooch last night, but it was one decision really, that happened in a quick timeframe.

Nobody expected much from this team this year, and they were a couple of games away from winning the division. They're in the playoffs. He managed the wildcard game masterfully, working around Severino's busted outing.

I flipped when he didn't challenge last night either - a major blunder - but one decision. The only reason you fire Girardi is if you feel they can't go any further with him, and I haven't seen any evidence of that.
I've heard that Jay Bell is highly regarded in the org  
Greg from LI : 10/7/2017 10:12 am : link
No idea if that means they'd consider him for the big job though.
RE: RE: RE: RE: 100% with everything Mook is saying  
BigBlueShock : 10/7/2017 10:15 am : link
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Fire. This. Man.



Are you firing the man to punish or because there's a better replacement?

You better think long and hard on that one.

They aren't firing girardi because he failed to challenge a call that may not even get over turned and they aren't firing girardi because he pulled CC for a red hot bullpen.

It wasn't a good game for Joe but he's not getting fired. And you don't fire guys because the mgr won't Recover. That doesn't even make sense. The bp blew it. It's painful I know.


If you don't think that call would have been overturned then you're simply not paying attention. Stop with the contrarian nonsense. If there was ever anything that nobody could take the contrarian view on, it is absolutely this non challenge. No excuse for it



I'm not paying attention because I'm speculating that the umps won't over turn a bang bang call that all of us to a man aren't even sure tipped the bat. We think it tipped the bat. We want to believe it tipped the bat especially in the heat of the moment last night. But we don't know anything. It was a close play. Umps fuck up easy calls but you're certain they get this one?

He should have challenged. It's still not a fireable offense.

Come on man. It's obvious that you didn't see the same replays as the rest of us. They showed the slow mo close up and it clear as day hit the knob of the bat ONLY. And this replay would have been available to the replay crew had Joe challenged. I honestly have no idea how you could sit here today and say that none of us know whether it hit the batter or not. All of the evidence is there.
RE: Last night's outcome shouldn't change your opinion of Girardi  
Matt M. : 10/7/2017 10:26 am : link
In comment 13634233 jcn56 said:
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Cleveland's a really good team. Make no mistake, Girardi screwed the pooch last night, but it was one decision really, that happened in a quick timeframe.

Nobody expected much from this team this year, and they were a couple of games away from winning the division. They're in the playoffs. He managed the wildcard game masterfully, working around Severino's busted outing.

I flipped when he didn't challenge last night either - a major blunder - but one decision. The only reason you fire Girardi is if you feel they can't go any further with him, and I haven't seen any evidence of that.
I disagree. Be made criti so mistakes that cost them. First, how do you not challenge the HBO? Second, it may have worked in an isolated win or go home game a couple of nights before, but his use of the bullpencost them the game. As I say, it worked 2 nights earlier, but expecting multiple guys to throw multiple innings is stupid considering none of them were used that way all season. To expect good results twice in 4 days is crazy. To do it with 1 guy is taking a chance. With 2 or more it is a big risk.

The only thing I can say is for those who call him binders, he certainly didn't manage by the book, so you have no complaint. You got what you asked for.
if he made 1 good decision... the yanks win  
hitdog42 : 10/7/2017 10:39 am : link
1) Challenge the play
2) Let CC have more leash given the pen is tired anyways and he looked good
3) get Bettances out there with the lea
4) bring in Chapman to face Bruce

but instead he went 0-4.... and here we are.

I would also like to see Matt H get an AB in extras over Torreyes or Headley-
RE: RE: Last night's outcome shouldn't change your opinion of Girardi  
Matt M. : 10/7/2017 10:58 am : link
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Cleveland's a really good team. Make no mistake, Girardi screwed the pooch last night, but it was one decision really, that happened in a quick timeframe.

Nobody expected much from this team this year, and they were a couple of games away from winning the division. They're in the playoffs. He managed the wildcard game masterfully, working around Severino's busted outing.

I flipped when he didn't challenge last night either - a major blunder - but one decision. The only reason you fire Girardi is if you feel they can't go any further with him, and I haven't seen any evidence of that.

I disagree. Be made criti so mistakes that cost them. First, how do you not challenge the HBO? Second, it may have worked in an isolated win or go home game a couple of nights before, but his use of the bullpencost them the game. As I say, it worked 2 nights earlier, but expecting multiple guys to throw multiple innings is stupid considering none of them were used that way all season. To expect good results twice in 4 days is crazy. To do it with 1 guy is taking a chance. With 2 or more it is a big risk.

The only thing I can say is for those who call him binders, he certainly didn't manage by the book, so you have no complaint. You got what you asked for.

Ugh..soUgh..so many typos from doing this on my phone. The first couple of lines should be:

I disagree. He made critical mistakes that cost them. First, how do you not challenge the HBP?
Normally I think a lot of  
bigbluehoya : 10/7/2017 11:00 am : link
questioning the manager in hindsight it overblown.

But last night was really bad.

To me, the second most obvious blunder (missed replay being the first, obviously) is not pulling Betances once the lead off guy got on. Dellin's inability to slow down the running game is known, real, and absolutely fatal in that situation even before factoring in that he'd already gone 2+ innings.

You simply can not be handing them second base in that situation. Jackson got a bad jump, stumbled, and still swiped the base without much of an issue.

Inexcusable.
Thank god Boston is being taken to the woodshed  
Greg from LI : 10/7/2017 11:11 am : link
If they were winning their series, this would be even more unbearable.

Lost in all the Girardi chatter is another one of his questionable decisions - the fact that they might lose the series without their best pitcher ever taking the mound.
This team is tough  
DennyInDenville : 10/7/2017 11:13 am : link
Win game 3, Sevy will take us to game5.
RE: This team is tough  
nygnyy274 : 10/7/2017 11:24 am : link
In comment 13634268 DennyInDenville said:
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Win game 3, Sevy will take us to game5.


He was shitting in his pants against a weak Twins line up what do you will think will happen with the Yankee season on the line against the best team in baseball ?? Speaking of shitting the bed Aaron Judge 7 strike outs in 8 at bats this series
RE: RE: This team is tough  
BigBlueShock : 10/7/2017 11:34 am : link
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Win game 3, Sevy will take us to game5.



He was shitting in his pants against a weak Twins line up what do you will think will happen with the Yankee season on the line against the best team in baseball ?? Speaking of shitting the bed Aaron Judge 7 strike outs in 8 at bats this series

Well yeah, it's easy to strike out when the other team refuses to throw strikes but still gets strike calls on every pitch. The ball basically has to be in the dirt for a ball to be called. It's disgusting what they are doing to an MVP candidate
don't know why blaming Girardi, umps, etc  
micky : 10/7/2017 11:34 am : link
bottomline..these players lost the game. I guess it's natural release of anger for losing to blame someone etc etc.
RE: don't know why blaming Girardi, umps, etc  
BigBlueShock : 10/7/2017 11:36 am : link
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bottomline..these players lost the game. I guess it's natural release of anger for losing to blame someone etc etc.

Ah, yes. Girardi isn't at all responsible for last night. Wtf game were you watching?
RE: RE: This team is tough  
HomerJones45 : 10/7/2017 11:39 am : link
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Win game 3, Sevy will take us to game5.



He was shitting in his pants against a weak Twins line up what do you will think will happen with the Yankee season on the line against the best team in baseball ?? Speaking of shitting the bed Aaron Judge 7 strike outs in 8 at bats this series
The Twins lineup is not weak. I think they were second in runs scored in the second half and there is power up and down that lineup. Severino did not pitch well but that is not a pattycake lineup.

Cleveland is really good. I wouldn't even blame Torreyas as I am sure he never expected the catcher to throw a missle from his knees on that pitch. You are not going to see any catcher make a better throw than that.
RE: RE: This team is tough  
HomerJones45 : 10/7/2017 11:43 am : link
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Win game 3, Sevy will take us to game5.



He was shitting in his pants against a weak Twins line up what do you will think will happen with the Yankee season on the line against the best team in baseball ?? Speaking of shitting the bed Aaron Judge 7 strike outs in 8 at bats this series
Judge struck out a 1/3 of the time in the minors and he struck out 30% of the time during the season. He hits like .120 on breaking pitches. The K's are not a mystery. The mystery is why anyone would ever throw that guy a fastball. I doubt he sees one near the strike zone against the Indians.
Chapman  
mitch300 : 10/7/2017 11:49 am : link
Liked an instant gram post that called Girardi an imbecile. SMH.
BTW, in case you needed another kick to the balls today  
Greg from LI : 10/7/2017 12:02 pm : link
Heyman reports that Gary Denbo is expected to leave the Yankees to do the same job for the Marlins and his old pal Derek Jeter. Hope they have a good candidate in mind
RE: don't know why blaming Girardi, umps, etc  
Greg from LI : 10/7/2017 12:05 pm : link
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bottomline..these players lost the game. I guess it's natural release of anger for losing to blame someone etc etc.


Because Chisenhall struck out. Plain and simple. If that is called correctly, no grand slam and the Yankees almost certainly win.
RE: RE: RE: Last night's outcome shouldn't change your opinion of Girardi  
jcn56 : 10/7/2017 12:09 pm : link
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Cleveland's a really good team. Make no mistake, Girardi screwed the pooch last night, but it was one decision really, that happened in a quick timeframe.

Nobody expected much from this team this year, and they were a couple of games away from winning the division. They're in the playoffs. He managed the wildcard game masterfully, working around Severino's busted outing.

I flipped when he didn't challenge last night either - a major blunder - but one decision. The only reason you fire Girardi is if you feel they can't go any further with him, and I haven't seen any evidence of that.

I disagree. Be made criti so mistakes that cost them. First, how do you not challenge the HBO? Second, it may have worked in an isolated win or go home game a couple of nights before, but his use of the bullpencost them the game. As I say, it worked 2 nights earlier, but expecting multiple guys to throw multiple innings is stupid considering none of them were used that way all season. To expect good results twice in 4 days is crazy. To do it with 1 guy is taking a chance. With 2 or more it is a big risk.

The only thing I can say is for those who call him binders, he certainly didn't manage by the book, so you have no complaint. You got what you asked for.


Ugh..soUgh..so many typos from doing this on my phone. The first couple of lines should be:

I disagree. He made critical mistakes that cost them. First, how do you not challenge the HBP?


Matt - I don't disagree that Girardi's blunder last night cost the Yankees the game. However, the smaller ones would have been quickly covered up and forgotten or never happened had the replay been called for.

I just don't see it as justification to dump the guy. He's going to get a ton of shit, and he's earned it. He gave a half-hearted excuse in the media, but essentially owned up to it (saying he'll know better next time).
Bottom line  
DennyInDenville : 10/7/2017 12:20 pm : link
Girardi had his best game as Yankees manager in the WC game

Had his work game as manager in game 2

It's almost a wash.

Let girardi keep his job, but make it clear we expect a WS in the next 3 years max
What's lost..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/7/2017 12:29 pm : link
in having replay is that the home plate umpire who missed the foul tip and had an unknown strike zone in extra innings gets absolved from blame so that it can shift to the manager not calling for a replay.

I'm sure the umps like replay when it does that.
RE: RE: This team is tough  
B in ALB : 10/7/2017 1:00 pm : link
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Win game 3, Sevy will take us to game5.



He was shitting in his pants against a weak Twins line up what do you will think will happen with the Yankee season on the line against the best team in baseball ?? Speaking of shitting the bed Aaron Judge 7 strike outs in 8 at bats this series


Jesus you're a miserable fuck.
RE: Chapman  
Joey from GlenCove : 10/7/2017 1:04 pm : link
In comment 13634283 mitch300 said:
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Liked an instant gram post that called Girardi an imbecile. SMH.



Well maybe if chapman didn't suck this year we could have one the division.
Tough to get over this one  
Kyle in NY : 10/7/2017 1:15 pm : link
The general arrogance that Girardi had last night when explaining his decisions has always bothered me. The "as a catcher" thing is so lame, as if nobody can understand things on his level.

How about this you jackass, "as a catcher" Gary Sanchez told you right away that pitch hit the bat. Trust your players and we win that game easily and have this series under control. That sort of thing cannot possibly win him much favor with the guys in the clubhouse.

This was Buck in Seattle 1995, Grady Little in 2003. I don't think he can come back from this one.
RE: RE: Chapman  
Kyle in NY : 10/7/2017 1:16 pm : link
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Liked an instant gram post that called Girardi an imbecile. SMH.




Well maybe if chapman didn't suck this year we could have one the division.


That's almost surely whoever controls Chapman's social media doing that. Still not good though
RE: Tough to get over this one  
B in ALB : 10/7/2017 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13634330 Kyle in NY said:
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The general arrogance that Girardi had last night when explaining his decisions has always bothered me. The "as a catcher" thing is so lame, as if nobody can understand things on his level.

How about this you jackass, "as a catcher" Gary Sanchez told you right away that pitch hit the bat. Trust your players and we win that game easily and have this series under control. That sort of thing cannot possibly win him much favor with the guys in the clubhouse.

This was Buck in Seattle 1995, Grady Little in 2003. I don't think he can come back from this one.


If they lose the series, Girardi is gone. No new contract. That was a firable offense last night. And his absolute arrogant answer to the media was the icing on the cake.
Will be very very tough if they let Girardi go  
DennyInDenville : 10/7/2017 1:26 pm : link
Will be tough to accept, but I will understand it.

That said, let's rebound and win this fucking series , we can win 3 straight games.
I still can't believe  
MookGiants : 10/7/2017 1:28 pm : link
the media guys didnt hammer him in that press conference. They are all doing it in their articles now, but they needed to do it right in that conference room last night. They let him be arrogant and didn't go on the attack which is shocking for some of them
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Dave in Hoboken : 10/7/2017 1:41 pm : link
Evan Roberts‏ @EvanRobertsWFAN 48s48 seconds ago

Francesa saying on air to me that its very possible the Yankees dont bring back Joe Girardi...
Bet the house he'll be back  
arniefez : 10/7/2017 2:14 pm : link
Mike is always wrong. But what it really means is that guys who take care of Francesa at the Stadium Levine, Trost and their minions have turned on Girardi which is also obvious from listening to Michael Kay rip him during games and on his awful radio show. Jack Curry another YES employee hasn't been shy about going after Girardi the last few months too. As disgusting at the game was yesterday it was not an outlier. The Yankees lost many games this year the same way with the bullpen over worked and failing at the worst time. Look how many games Betances & Chapman blew.
Girardi  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/7/2017 4:55 pm : link
is a good manager who made an absolutely boneheaded decision not to challenge the play. Other than that, he was fine. I like that he tries to use analytics to make decisions though he's always been too reliant on small sample sizes in his binder.

I can't get on him for taking out CC. Had CC imploded, people would be calling for his head asking how he could leave in CC with the bullpen arms that were raring to go.

Calling for Girardi to be fired over the non-challenge is ridiculous because it would be punitive rather than doing what's best for the franchise going forward.

The Yankees outperformed expectations this year.
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Bill2 : 10/7/2017 7:16 pm : link
Lot of thoughts after last nights game:

1) The starting pitching plus a lot of good bullpen pitchers got us 90 wins or so. Winning the division with 95 wins or beating the elite teams ( Cleveland and Houston) over the next few years is going to require better starting pitching.

Good starting pitching lessens the risk of needing so many different relief pitchers at innings levels they are not used to.

This is not an elite 100 win team until it has an ace. Hopefully that is Severino. An ace has learned to deliver in big games and master his emotions. We go into next year without an ace.

2) anyone who has to make decisions for a living knows there are few 100% easy decisions. They also know that 1 or 5 or 10% of decisions that are clearly wrong does not make a bad decision maker.

By definition, there are millions of decisions in a spring training to playoff season. IF you get more than what 65% right that's pretty good. 80%? unbelievable. 95%? Unheard of I would imagine. Its a game where winning 65% of games is very very good.

3) Us humans tend to jump on clear bad decisions. A bad decision is not a bad decision maker.

Torreyes, Frazier, Gardner, Betances, Green, Judge, etc. all made bad decisions or failed to execute.

The decision to order a bunt or to replace CC or to not replace Betances all have plausible risks and rewards.

Data indicates that umpires get about 85-95% of calls right. But they get a much smaller percent of the close and tough calls right. As we all know, 10% of the plays (play being a sequence started by a pitch) are the game. In a game of 300 pitches, 10% is 30 calls. Lets say umps get 70% of the tough ones right. That leaves 9 wrong calls a game. If is well umpired. A manager gets one challenge. He missed. Clearly. Incontrovertibly.

That is no proof he is a bad decision maker.

As for Betances...he got many chances this season. He does not do well with runners on. A severe flaw in a relief pitcher.

Judge got many chances this year. Ditto Chapman. Other managers might have handled those situations differently. Girardi also showed faith in Bird. Not everyone, including some well placed public nuisance ( Levine) did.

Stengel, Durocher, Huggins, McCarthy, Mack, Alston. All made bonehead decisions. All did not find a way to reach all the players. All wrecked talented but sensitive players.

Girardi relies on analytics and probabilities. So does Belichek. Failed him when he calculated the probabilities for covering Manningham...that one play that mattered.

I think he messed up. Badly.

Young players developed and did well under him this year. Many players had career high years. Better metric for making a decision about next years manager?

I don't think taking Cleveland or Houston any of the next few years is going be easy for any manager. I don't think a different manager is the gap that's going to allow them to get past those teams. Starting pitching so the bullpen can shine would be my vote.

Better situational hitting takes a few years in the majors to learn. Situational hitting is vital in the playoffs. Our hitters are not going to be at their peak next year. Maybe the following year. Some like Castro, may never be a smart hitter.

Fun team to root for this year, no matter what happens.

Off season? Starting pitching. imho




The Yankees should stick to the payroll plan  
DennyInDenville : 10/7/2017 7:48 pm : link
Get under the tax so we can Ball like the Evil Empire in 2018 to polish the roster with a Machado and a Harper or what have you or everyone.


This is and still is the plan.

The key for 2018? 2019 is in the bank.

2018 one of the keys will be Otani and his $30 million value at the IFA discount at just $3.8 million.

Have matsui and Tanaka recruit him because it's more about recruitment below age 25 then it is Money for Otani at his age..
Ball out in 2019*  
DennyInDenville : 10/7/2017 7:48 pm : link
Damn.
Also, if Girardi gets let go, the Mets will sign him  
DennyInDenville : 10/7/2017 7:50 pm : link
And the Yankees should promote Tony Pena imo. Keep it in house and good vibes. (More reason to forgive and forget with Girardi and move forward with him)
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dune69 : 10/7/2017 7:56 pm : link
In comment 13634518 Bill2 said:
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Lot of thoughts after last nights game:

1) The starting pitching plus a lot of good bullpen pitchers got us 90 wins or so. Winning the division with 95 wins or beating the elite teams ( Cleveland and Houston) over the next few years is going to require better starting pitching.

Good starting pitching lessens the risk of needing so many different relief pitchers at innings levels they are not used to.

This is not an elite 100 win team until it has an ace. Hopefully that is Severino. An ace has learned to deliver in big games and master his emotions. We go into next year without an ace.

2) anyone who has to make decisions for a living knows there are few 100% easy decisions. They also know that 1 or 5 or 10% of decisions that are clearly wrong does not make a bad decision maker.

By definition, there are millions of decisions in a spring training to playoff season. IF you get more than what 65% right that's pretty good. 80%? unbelievable. 95%? Unheard of I would imagine. Its a game where winning 65% of games is very very good.

3) Us humans tend to jump on clear bad decisions. A bad decision is not a bad decision maker.

Torreyes, Frazier, Gardner, Betances, Green, Judge, etc. all made bad decisions or failed to execute.

The decision to order a bunt or to replace CC or to not replace Betances all have plausible risks and rewards.

Data indicates that umpires get about 85-95% of calls right. But they get a much smaller percent of the close and tough calls right. As we all know, 10% of the plays (play being a sequence started by a pitch) are the game. In a game of 300 pitches, 10% is 30 calls. Lets say umps get 70% of the tough ones right. That leaves 9 wrong calls a game. If is well umpired. A manager gets one challenge. He missed. Clearly. Incontrovertibly.

That is no proof he is a bad decision maker.

As for Betances...he got many chances this season. He does not do well with runners on. A severe flaw in a relief pitcher.

Judge got many chances this year. Ditto Chapman. Other managers might have handled those situations differently. Girardi also showed faith in Bird. Not everyone, including some well placed public nuisance ( Levine) did.

Stengel, Durocher, Huggins, McCarthy, Mack, Alston. All made bonehead decisions. All did not find a way to reach all the players. All wrecked talented but sensitive players.

Girardi relies on analytics and probabilities. So does Belichek. Failed him when he calculated the probabilities for covering Manningham...that one play that mattered.

I think he messed up. Badly.

Young players developed and did well under him this year. Many players had career high years. Better metric for making a decision about next years manager?

I don't think taking Cleveland or Houston any of the next few years is going be easy for any manager. I don't think a different manager is the gap that's going to allow them to get past those teams. Starting pitching so the bullpen can shine would be my vote.

Better situational hitting takes a few years in the majors to learn. Situational hitting is vital in the playoffs. Our hitters are not going to be at their peak next year. Maybe the following year. Some like Castro, may never be a smart hitter.

Fun team to root for this year, no matter what happens.

Off season? Starting pitching. imho






Bill2- You have an unbelievable ability to get past emotional reactions, clearly analyze a situation, and summarize accurately and concisely. But, you don't need me to tell you this. I agree that starting pitching is the key for any team that is a "playoff" capable team. After all, great pitching is normally necessary to finish in postseason. The Yanks have come a long way in a relatively short rebuild but the next step is starting pitching. They could use a stud (or two) and I hope it is a priority in the off season. I am excited for our team's future but there needs to be serious decisions in the off season. Great post.
Thre could not be a worse analogy than  
arniefez : 10/7/2017 8:40 pm : link
Girardi and Belichick or a worse example of what Girardi did and did not do in the game yesterday compared to Mannigham's catch in 46.

A big part of Belichick's brilliance is his ability to adjust on the fly, to coach during games when things go wrong. Girardi has no ability to adjust during games and as Sherman points out below Girardi is wound tight when things go off script. Teams take on the personalities of their coaches and mangers. Anyone who watched the game yesterday saw that same scenario play out 15 times this year.

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But if the game goes off script, Girardis penchant is to tighten up, display every facial tell of a man being swamped by tension. He is not blessed with Second City ad-lib dexterity nor a poker face.

Game 2 of this Division Series was a referendum on this. Girardi took out CC Sabathia because that is what the pre-game plan was, damn that he was at 77 pitches, doing well and more likely to be a runway model than be overwhelmed by the moment.

He stuck with Chad Green despite overt signs that it was not the young rightys night because a season of information about Greens excellence outweighed what was occurring 100 feet from Girardis vantage point.
Girardi let a clearly struggling Green face Francisco Lindor with the bases loaded because he said he liked the history against the brilliant shortstop. That history was two strikeouts in two at-bats in August, which compared to how Green looked Friday night was as relevant as the color of his socks.


Stuff like that happened dozens of times during the year. Sitting Headley early in the season when he was red hot and Didi and Sanchez were on the DL. Sitting Bird after 3 hits and his 1st HR, sitting Hicks after he hit 2 HR's from both sides of the plate in a 3-2 win. Pinch hitting Headley in September for Bird during a comeback attempt when Bird was red hot because a lefty was brought into the game. Stuff like that went on every week. Things that were pre planned before the games played out were followed through with even though they made no sense based on what happened on the field.

Yes the Yankees need more starting pitching and they need the young players to not stumble backwards. Thats not hard to see but they also need a much more aggressive manager that trust his players.
A great strength for Joe Girardi undermines his glaring weakness - ( New Window )
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Bill2 : 10/7/2017 8:51 pm : link
Name three candidates known for success from a notably more aggressive approach??


I don't want to choose the pro Girardi side in any debate but that's an easy target as a response
Hey Bill  
B in ALB : 10/7/2017 8:54 pm : link
Nothing to add. But great to see you posting. Sorely missed my friend.
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Bill2 : 10/7/2017 8:56 pm : link
Nor is using Joel Sherman as a reference a smart choice.

You are the manager. its the inning. Its the game ahead and another tomorrow.

Name each pitcher you would pick instead for each inning?

Go ahead...name the clear clear better choice without hindsight?

Its right in front of you...right this second. Don't choke or get wound too tight now...its just BBI and your intelligence on the line

Name 3 successful clearly better managers with a more aggressive approach?

Name a more aggressive choice set sequence of pitchers per inning from what was available?

Go for it...
Hey B  
Bill2 : 10/7/2017 8:58 pm : link
I sure hope all is well.

Tough to see such a way to lose as last night so shortly after seeing the Giants so far.
The name a replacement thing is a straw man  
arniefez : 10/7/2017 9:06 pm : link
As you know better than anyone baseball managers are a dime a dozen very rarely are they difference makers. Most of their worth comes in a breath of fresh air when the previous manager has contributed to a stale atmosphere.

I'm convinced no matter what happens Girardi will be back. He's Cashman's guy and I expect Cashman to power play him into being back if he needs to. I don't think it will matter much except to those of us who watch 150 games a year and see the team managed by a passive cyborg.

There are much worse game managers than Girardi in MLB. Terry Collins is as bad as I've ever seen and his team almost won the WS. Joe Madden is considered one of the best and he did everything he could to lose the WS last year unfortunately it didn't work.

So like we both seem agree if the Yankees can improve the starting pitching and the key young players don't fall off a cliff Girardi is just along for the ride anyway.
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Bill2 : 10/7/2017 9:38 pm : link
Exactly.

As long as there is evidence that most players do well playing for him.

The average guys like Ellsbury, Headley, Gardner, Frazier have played to career norms and no worse ( taken as a group)

As long as there is evidence that young players do well and are played ( can you imagine St Joe with his dislike of young players and over reliance on one bullpen arm with this roster and the new players yet to be entrusted to his "judgement" ?).

I could argue that Judge, C Frazier and Hicks and Bird all did well or learned by something/approach Girardi/coaching is doing

Now, the third base coach lost us three games if not more with bonehead decisions to send people this year.

And I would argue that the over all results of the pitchers hide two things that lead me to question the pitching coach:

- When pitchers got inconsistent or lost their mechanics or their feel for a pitch...I did not see that they got fixed as much as they fixed themselves. To his credit, during the long season Girardi stayed with position guys of talent he needed to work things out. That worked with the position players but I am not sure the pitching coaching can claim they helped anyone.

- I don't think Betances or Chapman came into the season with the heads or the shape that matched their reputations. Who do they listen to? Or respect?

Lastly, Sanchez on defense cost us at least one to three games this year.

IF the third base coach and Sanchez on defense did better this year...we get to be Division Leaders and face Houston.

In which case we would be in trouble...not because of the manager but because we need 2 more pitchers and one of them has to be an ace for us to climb the next notch.

Lets watch...every losing team in a playoff series has examples of bad managing. And as you noted many a winner does as well.

One of the attractions of baseball is that the average guy could have managed better. Its obvious.

One of the attractions of football is that it is complex enough to have something to debate all the time.

Both sports draw us in partially because some calls are so boneheaded every game that its tempting to think we could do better

Rothschild is an interesting discussion  
arniefez : 10/8/2017 8:30 am : link
There was an article a few months ago I'm not sure if you saw linked below. Cashman has assembled a bullpen filled with power arms. He's also spent millions of dollars on an analytics staff which he's using to tell Rothschild/Girardi he wants the Yankees to throw more curveballs. My opinion as an untrained observer that's why Betances especially and Chapman have struggle so badly. No "proof" just the eye test.

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The Yankees went into Fenway Park and thoroughly throttled Boston's deep lineup in its tiny ballpark. New York's pitchers posted a 1.76 ERA over four games. The Yankees split the series, though they should have taken three of four, but for a meltdown by closer Aroldis Chapman in the ninth inning of the opener.

Heres the cutting edge part: New York's pitchers threw only 40.7% fastballs in the series. (Fastballs here are defined as four-seam and two-seam fastballs, not cut fastballs.)

For the Yankees, this was not an anomaly. They throw the fewest fastballs in baseball, and its not even close. They average a fastball rate of just 43.1%. Houston is next lowest at 47.3%.

What makes New York's low fastball usage all the more surprising is that its pitchers have the highest average velocity of any team in baseball (94.3 mph, tied with Pittsburgh).

I asked New York's pitching guru, coach Larry Rothschild, to explain this new world of pitching.

Fastballs get hit, Rothschild said. Its amazing to me to see guys throwing in the upper 90s and they get hit. I dont know how these guys do it. Thats how good major league hitters are. They have adjusted to velocity. To hit upper 90s, you have to gear up for upper 90s. So hitters are going up there to gear up for velocity. And when they do that, they can hit it no matter how hard you throw.


Let's hope the conversation after today is game 4 not what happens in the off season.
Slow down: The Yankees are leading a change in baseball by abandoning a principle of pitching - ( New Window )
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Bill2 : 10/8/2017 2:14 pm : link
Yes. Saw that. Agree its a concern. But to me Betances is an possible ...possible ...emotional issue from the Levine based BS of the arbitration hearing and a headcase issue as he falls apart with men on base plus an inability to hold onto his mechanics.

The first possibility is on Levine. The second is on Betances. The Third is on a pitching coaches. imho

Gone are the days when Mariano could precisely repeat his motion for years and years on end. That is a kind of physical intelligence and athletic ability few have
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