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Do the elite 0-4 Giants have what it takes?

Route 9 : 10/7/2017 10:46 am
To climb the impossible mountain and finally get a W? Do they have what it takes to beat another 0-4 team? They got this...right? I don't know this is a pretty tall order for this Giants team. I do not know if they can handle or not.

Wow nothing like starting a thread on October 7th asking if "we" can finally get our first win against another 0-4 from a WC team at 1 pm. I was hesitant to ask...
I fear Bosa is going to have a field  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/7/2017 10:48 am : link
day tomorrow.
Is he (Bosa) having a good year?  
Route 9 : 10/7/2017 10:50 am : link
I haven't seen one "Los Angeles" Chargers game this season yet. How's he look?
They lose this one and the Reese/Mac watch becomes very real  
montanagiant : 10/7/2017 10:52 am : link
A loss tomorrow wipes out what little hope of having a decent season off the board. This season would have a chance to go down as the most disappointing ones in Franchise history
This might be the franchises toughest task  
Route 9 : 10/7/2017 10:56 am : link
since Super Bowl 42. I don't know, just nervous I guess...
I fear this will go down  
Modus Operandi : 10/7/2017 10:56 am : link
As the most embarrassing stretches in franchise history. Would be quite a feat considering the talent we have on this roster.

This is becoming Rich Kotite-like.
Ron Johnson : 10/7/2017 10:59 am : link
Of a 7 game win streak tomorrow.

Gooooo Giants!!!
I have a feeling this will be more about who wants it less  
ChaChing : 10/7/2017 11:00 am : link
Or who sucks more if you prefer

At least we get to see Eli & Philip. They each could easily throw 4 TDs or 4 picks. And in either case end up winning or having a brilliant 4th or comeback after crap up to then

Given it's 0-4 SD, I'm hoping we don't look like a terrible team or make them look like a great one. Then again a higher pick isn't a bad thing. So it's a win-win..........................
This is already beyond embarrassing...  
Route 9 : 10/7/2017 11:03 am : link
I find the "Trash Girardi" comments and also the Cam Newton woman routes goings-on a way more captivating story to follow than this 2017 club.
Basic problem is  
Vanzetti : 10/7/2017 11:03 am : link
That the team vastly overestimated its talent in certain areas.

The defense has played far below its talent level and that has led to losses in the type of games they won last season. With last year's D, this team could easily be 3-1.

I think the defense will eventually come around. But the problem is that OL has bad players. Pugh is decent (not great) and everyone else sucks. So it is a bottleneck. If Eli and the receivers had even an average amount of time, they would eviscerate opposing defenses. Engram is the real deal and even with Marshall's decline, this receiving corps is lethal.

But they can't fully utilize that talent because the OL is so bad. Wasting 4 million in cap space on BJ Thomas and not using that money plus the other 10 million they have was an epic blunder that could very well bring down the coach and gm.

But I think those were organizational decisions, not decisions made solely or even primarily be Reese. So firing Reese might appease some fans but I doubt it will have much effect unless Giants bring in an outside GM and give him autonomy--which I think is highly doubtful

When guys keep mentioning  
joeinpa : 10/7/2017 12:39 pm : link
How embarrassing this 0-4 start is considering the"talent" on the team.

You do know that talent on the offensive line counts, Right?

It s nearly impossible to have a good team if this unit week after week can t move people off the ball.

Add a defense where the front four can t rush the passer, the linebackers can t cover, their #1 draft cornerback can t make a play on the ball, and as a whole they can t stop the run, you are lucky to win any game.

Oh I almost forgot , a special teams that never makes a big play, but often makes a. It mistake.
Chargers and Indy  
AnishPatel : 10/7/2017 12:57 pm : link
are the two teams Eli has not beaten, correct?
RE: Chargers and Indy  
Route 9 : 10/7/2017 1:03 pm : link
In comment 13634313 AnishPatel said:
are the two teams Eli has not beaten, correct?

And the Giants!
old man : 10/7/2017 1:29 pm : link
To answer the thread.
One underlying issue that makes it worse is that NOBODY...even KC or NE... looks dominant. A 2-2 in THIS season would put us in the mix at least and get guys to play from a positive and hopeful perspective and likely kick their game up a notch or more.
The Gmen lost 4 winnable games. Opponents won TOP but nobody blew us out.
The O let us down game 1.
The ST made a game changing club game 2.
Everybody flubbed some in games 3-4...but particularly punter and HC HC HC(repeating INTENTIONAL).
And if a certain GM had made the necessary offseason moves to the OL...the O would have been productive enough to get TOP to at least 30 minutes...given D opportunity to rest...produced points... overcome poor HCing....and win 4.
Inside of being the joke of the NFL they'd be the talk of the NFL.
RE: RE: Chargers and Indy  
santacruzom : 10/7/2017 2:03 pm : link
In comment 13634320 Route 9 said:
In comment 13634313 AnishPatel said:


are the two teams Eli has not beaten, correct?

And the Giants!

Oh, he's beaten the Giants a few times.
TMS : 10/7/2017 2:14 pm : link
The rest of the NFC East does not look much better. We could have won both the Dallas and Eagle away games, with a few more plays. We get it together we can still win this division. Then anything can happen. The Skins do not seem any better. Keep the faith.
We shall hope for a win got to start at the bottom  
Bluesbreaker : 10/7/2017 5:16 pm : link
0-4 Chargers will not be easy not that anyone we play is easy
Keep my eye on the Ingram vs Flowers match-up .
Flowers struggles with speed rushers .
He is a FA next season I think he would look good in Blue
but I really have yet to see him play .
RE: RE: Chargers and Indy  
Les in TO : 10/7/2017 10:14 pm : link
In comment 13634320 Route 9 said:
In comment 13634313 AnishPatel said:


are the two teams Eli has not beaten, correct?

And the Giants!
nah he's defeated the Giants many times with costly ints
Someone made that joke already  
Route 9 : 10/7/2017 10:36 pm : link
They will win  
UberAlias : 10/8/2017 1:31 am : link
It will push them closer to a mediocre draft pick, but they will win.
The Giants have the talent to turn the season around...  
Milton : 10/8/2017 3:09 am : link
But I suspect they don't have the coaching. And that includes Spags.

Would love to see the Giants make a run at the Super Bowl, but short of that I'd like to see them bring in a whole new coaching staff next year. The worst thing in my mind would be an 8-8 season that leads them to believe they are headed in the right direction.

When others on BBI were praising McAdoo and Spags following the 11-5 season I held my tongue because I didn't want to be a party pooper, but neither of them impressed me. McAdoo is the king of cliches and Spags is the coach's version of a JAG. And the position coaches haven't exactly distinguished themselves when it comes to talent development.
RE: RE: Chargers and Indy  
Canton : 10/8/2017 7:04 am : link
In comment 13634320 Route 9 said:
In comment 13634313 AnishPatel said:


are the two teams Eli has not beaten, correct?

And the Giants!

Eli has beaten the Giants many times in his career . Just not in another uniform.
RE: Someone made that joke already  
Canton : 10/8/2017 7:04 am : link
In comment 13634639 Route 9 said:

Made it again. Wucha gonna do about it. Huh huh...
Whatís maddening about this whole thing  
blueblood'11 : 10/8/2017 7:13 am : link
I think everyone would agree this is a team with a lot of talent. But itís seem to be a team that doesnít have a lot of balance. A lot of good skill players on offense with what has been a very shaky offensive line. Having said that theyíve actually played pretty well the past two weeks against two pretty stout defensive fronts.

You have what some characterized as one of the best defenses going into the season and for some reason they appear to have come undone. Was it a matter of futility that had set in watching an inept offense those first two games the led them have an epic let down these past two weeks thinking here we go again. Last season the offense was bad and this year itís even worse which led to the shoddy defensive play knowing it was all on them again.

With all that said itís hard to believe this team is 0-4. You would have thought they would have won at least two of these games by default simply because the talent is there and this is the NFL. The ball takes funny bounces and you win some you probably should have lost and visa versa. But what is worrisome sometimes teams no matter how good the talent on paper is just does not gel no matter how hard they try and the season goes down the drain. That is what appears theGiants are on the verge of. Season down the drain if it hasnít already been flushed.

With the up coming schedule I just think it will be very difficult if not impossible to have any kind of meaningful outcome to this season. They arenít playing well. Itís like they are still in preseason mode trying to figure this thing out while most every other team is going full bore regular season mode.
Karma insists,  
oldog : 10/8/2017 10:37 am : link
that it all evens out in the end, or what goes around comes around, so there's been a bit of a payback for the excesses of last, year, and yes, even a bit of hangover payback for 07 and 11. But Karma says wen have too much talent not to come through so, get ready for the beginning of the winning streak, Giant fans. Only two games behind the Cows.
blueblood'11 : 10/8/2017 12:11 pm : link
Pass the hash pipe please. I want to hallucinate too.
I'm going to tell the thread police  
Route 9 : 10/8/2017 12:27 pm : link
on you, watch yourself
Route 9 : 10/9/2017 1:37 pm : link
They didn't. This team blows.
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