for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

New York Giants - Los Angeles Chargers Post-Game Discussion

Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/8/2017 4:23 pm
...
Thank GOD it's over.  
smshmth8690 : 10/8/2017 4:26 pm : link
.
0-7 going into the break  
jeff57 : 10/8/2017 4:26 pm : link
.
Can we just forfeit the rest of the season?  
NYerInMA : 10/8/2017 4:27 pm : link
There's no reason to play the remaining 11 games. Reese, McAdoo, and the o-line have to go.
will the Gians win a game this seaon?  
Steve in South Jersey : 10/8/2017 4:27 pm : link
McAdoo made another mistake going for 2
I worries guys  
UberAlias : 10/8/2017 4:27 pm : link
McAdoo's job is safe.
Offense  
Wreckingcrew : 10/8/2017 4:27 pm : link
Will not move the ball with OBJ, but then again, we have posters here who think OBJ is useless because of his antics...

Regardless, it's clear as day. Blow it up. Bring in new GM and Head Coaching staff and start from scratch
Darnold, Rosen or Jackson  
jeff57 : 10/8/2017 4:27 pm : link
?
So, who do we like  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 10/8/2017 4:28 pm : link
For the first pick in the draft?
RE: will the Gians win a game this seaon?  
NYerInMA : 10/8/2017 4:28 pm : link
In comment 13636228 Steve in South Jersey said:
Quote:
McAdoo made another mistake going for 2


I don't have a problem with going for 2 from the 2. After the penalty, though, they should've kicked the PAT.
No worries  
UberAlias : 10/8/2017 4:28 pm : link
Lol
We are def getting  
spike : 10/8/2017 4:28 pm : link
A top 3 pick this season
11-11  
LAXin : 10/8/2017 4:28 pm : link
Ben McAdoo's coaching record. That 11-5 in 2016, while entirely legitimate, does not have much influence/carry-over any more.
RE: will the Gians win a game this seaon?  
jeff57 : 10/8/2017 4:28 pm : link
In comment 13636228 Steve in South Jersey said:
Quote:
McAdoo made another mistake going for 2


Niners.
LOL.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/8/2017 4:28 pm : link
Did we play complimentary football though?
Let an 0-4 team  
sinister_bee98 : 10/8/2017 4:29 pm : link
fly cross country and beat you at home.

Doesnt get any worse than that.
RE: So, who do we like  
WillVAB : 10/8/2017 4:29 pm : link
In comment 13636237 Gary from The East End said:
Quote:
For the first pick in the draft?


Smart move would be to trade down, but Reese will stand pat and take a dogshit QB because that's what this fanbase deserves.
0-5, Beckham done, brutal schedule the rest of the way.  
bceagle05 : 10/8/2017 4:29 pm : link
This is a two-win team that will be in a position to take the next franchise QB. Jets fans are gonna be so pissed.
I've been hesitant to say it and extremely patient  
dpinzow : 10/8/2017 4:29 pm : link
but the entire front office/coaching staff has to go. They completely wasted the second half of Eli's career and there's no way they can force Eli to go through another rebuild
Eli window is closing fast  
spike : 10/8/2017 4:29 pm : link
We have to draft the heir apparent to learn behind him for 1-2 seasons
0 and 16.....  
thrunthrublue : 10/8/2017 4:30 pm : link
Well within reach.
No Beckham  
spike : 10/8/2017 4:31 pm : link
We just might win one game if we are lucky
RE: LOL.  
HomerJones45 : 10/8/2017 4:31 pm : link
In comment 13636255 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
Quote:
Did we play complimentary football though?
Yes, but the Duke was not protected.
better to go 2-14  
bluepepper : 10/8/2017 4:31 pm : link
then rally to 7-9. Total house cleaning obviously in order and strong finish might sway the not too swift Mara that this regime is salvageable.
I drank....  
OBJRoyal : 10/8/2017 4:31 pm : link
The Kool aid in the preseason and I felt we were SB contenders, taste like piss noey
RE: So, who do we like  
jeff57 : 10/8/2017 4:31 pm : link
In comment 13636237 Gary from The East End said:
Quote:
For the first pick in the draft?


3rd pick. After Browns and Niners.

Whichever of the three QBs is left.
RE: will the Gians win a game this seaon?  
Simms11 : 10/8/2017 4:31 pm : link
In comment 13636228 Steve in South Jersey said:
Quote:
McAdoo made another mistake going for 2


Would not have made a difference
RE: RE: So, who do we like  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/8/2017 4:31 pm : link
In comment 13636257 WillVAB said:
Quote:
In comment 13636237 Gary from The East End said:


Quote:


For the first pick in the draft?



Smart move would be to trade down, but Reese will stand pat and take a dogshit QB because that's what this fanbase deserves.


No. We deserve a QB to play until 50 and play crazily inconsistently.
RE: Darnold, Rosen or Jackson  
Carson53 : 10/8/2017 4:31 pm : link
In comment 13636235 jeff57 said:
Quote:
?
.

Josh Allen from Wyoming.
I have my doubts about Jackson at the next level.
2-14 here we come.
If the receivers  
darren in pdx : 10/8/2017 4:31 pm : link
are out for significant time the players will give up completely now and 0-16 is more than likely. Wow.
So what time does Sam Darnold play next week?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/8/2017 4:31 pm : link
What a GODdamned disaster this season turned out to be and that was BEFORE Odell got hurt.

I hate to pick on 1 guy, but if I never see Eli Apple again, I'm perfectly fine with that.
just blow it all up....blow it up now  
AnnapolisMike : 10/8/2017 4:31 pm : link
Otherwise we are just beating our heads against the same fucking wall. What a disaster.
Outside the browns whos beating us to  
bubba0825 : 10/8/2017 4:31 pm : link
The bottom?
i'll repeat what i wrote last week  
TexasGmenFan : 10/8/2017 4:31 pm : link
the worst part of all of this is the fact that the Giants will make no moves and Reese will be handed they keys to blow his third top 10 pick in 4 years.

We have to make big changes  
SomeFan : 10/8/2017 4:31 pm : link
to thr coaching staff and front office.
RE: So, who do we like  
short lease : 10/8/2017 4:31 pm : link
In comment 13636237 Gary from The East End said:
Quote:
For the first pick in the draft?


An OL .... forced pick or not.
RE: RE: will the Gians win a game this seaon?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/8/2017 4:32 pm : link
In comment 13636285 Simms11 said:
Quote:
In comment 13636228 Steve in South Jersey said:


Quote:


McAdoo made another mistake going for 2



Would not have made a difference


But people want to bitch and moan incessantly about McAdoo.
I have no  
rebel yell : 10/8/2017 4:32 pm : link
problem losing out. We badly need high draft picks and MUST get rid of shitty HC and GM.
Just have to wonder  
KWhite2250 : 10/8/2017 4:32 pm : link
When will Eli finally get hurt? Thats pretty much all thats left to have happen this year
Jets fans hve to be jealous  
spike : 10/8/2017 4:32 pm : link
They are gonna be 8-8 while we get the next stud QB
The Giants should be calling around  
Matt in SGS : 10/8/2017 4:32 pm : link
and offering up anything they can get for someone like DRC and seeing if they can get some picks back. This season is in the complete shitter. The best thing for the team is to get a top 3 pick, as painful as it is. They don't need to try to tank, they are just bad, it will come naturally. All that's left now is the inevitable Eli injury and we get Geno. This is a 3-13 team right now.
I feel  
kennyd : 10/8/2017 4:32 pm : link
like I got kicked in the nuts. This is unbelievable
RE: Eli window is closing fast  
bluepepper : 10/8/2017 4:32 pm : link
In comment 13636268 spike said:
Quote:
We have to draft the heir apparent to learn behind him for 1-2 seasons

Eli is done here. New GM and coach will not want to build around 37 year old QB especially when 2018 draft is strong on QB. And QB's don't sit and learn anymore they play day one like Winston, Mariota, Wentz etc.
RE: Eli window is closing fast  
Annunaki : 10/8/2017 4:33 pm : link
In comment 13636268 spike said:
Quote:
We have to draft the heir apparent to learn behind him for 1-2 seasons



Eli won't be in blue for another 1-2 seasons. They will cut him or trade him before that. I love Eli but its time we rebuild properly ............ from the top down.
RE: RE: Darnold, Rosen or Jackson  
jeff57 : 10/8/2017 4:33 pm : link
In comment 13636287 Carson53 said:
Quote:
In comment 13636235 jeff57 said:


Quote:


?

.

Josh Allen from Wyoming.
I have my doubts about Jackson at the next level.
2-14 here we come.


Jackson is a better prospect than Deshaun Watson.
Chargers  
AcidTest : 10/8/2017 4:33 pm : link
are awful. We are worse.

OL was terrible. Five sacks of Manning.

Very little pressure from the D, who again couldn't hold a lead. Were also gashed on the ground.

Don't understand why we didn't kick the XP instead of going for two from the seven yard line.

Gallman played well. Thompson with an INT, and very nice PD against Henry in the end zone. Wing had some nice punts.

Four injuries at the same position, but we were just bad.
Can't wait to see  
section125 : 10/8/2017 4:33 pm : link
the various spins on this one. Epic fail. 4 WRs hurt in one game and the last one because of the inability to throw a simple slant.

Spags with his incredibly awful three man rush.

WTF was Vereen in the game for when Gallman is running roughshod over the Chargers.
Matt I respect your opinion  
bubba0825 : 10/8/2017 4:33 pm : link
But where are the 3 wins?
So  
jamesmichaelworm : 10/8/2017 4:33 pm : link
We are all convinced Webb is not the answer without playing a down. So why did they draft him?
RE: Just have to wonder  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/8/2017 4:34 pm : link
In comment 13636300 KWhite2250 said:
Quote:
When will Eli finally get hurt? Thats pretty much all thats left to have happen this year


If he didn't get hurt when fat Ereck Flowers fell on him, he's probably indestructible.
I agree, an average coach would have gotten  
SHO'NUFF : 10/8/2017 4:34 pm : link
us 3 wins
RE: i'll repeat what i wrote last week  
AcidTest : 10/8/2017 4:34 pm : link
In comment 13636293 TexasGmenFan said:
Quote:
the worst part of all of this is the fact that the Giants will make no moves and Reese will be handed they keys to blow his third top 10 pick in 4 years.


Agreed. Management won't do anything.
I thought the timeout  
B in ALB : 10/8/2017 4:35 pm : link
At the end of the game was just pure brilliance from McAdoo. He's a genius folks! We got a good one!
....  
yankees78 : 10/8/2017 4:35 pm : link
Horrible team. Horrible coach. Horrible GM.
RE: I have no  
short lease : 10/8/2017 4:35 pm : link
In comment 13636299 rebel yell said:
Quote:
problem losing out. We badly need high draft picks and MUST get rid of shitty HC and GM.


Agree 100% ... (2 birds 1 stone).


there's going to be spin doctoring etc  
micky : 10/8/2017 4:35 pm : link
and the "if we go on a run...yadda yada yadda" coming
Niners lose in OT again  
jeff57 : 10/8/2017 4:35 pm : link
0-5 with Giants and Browns.
As gallman  
mitch300 : 10/8/2017 4:36 pm : link
Hurt? He should of been in there instead of vereen.
RE: Chargers  
section125 : 10/8/2017 4:36 pm : link
In comment 13636312 AcidTest said:
Quote:
are awful. We are worse.

OL was terrible. Five sacks of Manning.

Very little pressure from the D, who again couldn't hold a lead. Were also gashed on the ground.

Don't understand why we didn't kick the XP instead of going for two from the seven yard line.

Gallman played well. Thompson with an INT, and very nice PD against Henry in the end zone. Wing had some nice punts.

Four injuries at the same position, but we were just bad.


Eli ran or moved himself into 3 of them.

You go for 2 pts to get the lead by 7 points, it was the right call, but they still cannot get lined up. I have a feeling the way Eli was talking to the Ref that the play clock was not set properly..
RE: Can't wait to see  
bluepepper : 10/8/2017 4:37 pm : link
In comment 13636314 section125 said:
Quote:
the various spins on this one. Epic fail. 4 WRs hurt in one game and the last one because of the inability to throw a simple slant.

Spags with his incredibly awful three man rush.

WTF was Vereen in the game for when Gallman is running roughshod over the Chargers.

And Gallman was catching the ball out of the backfield so no reason for Vereen there at least not at RB. Line him up as a receiver okay but Gallman much more likely to break off a long run
When we do college football Saturday posts  
dpinzow : 10/8/2017 4:37 pm : link
I'm going to put extra emphasis on Darnold, Rosen and Rudolph the rest of the way
RE: RE: RE: So, who do we like  
WillVAB : 10/8/2017 4:37 pm : link
In comment 13636286 Dave in Hoboken said:
Quote:
In comment 13636257 WillVAB said:


Quote:


In comment 13636237 Gary from The East End said:


Quote:


For the first pick in the draft?



Smart move would be to trade down, but Reese will stand pat and take a dogshit QB because that's what this fanbase deserves.



No. We deserve a QB to play until 50 and play crazily inconsistently.


Please tell me how a new QB makes this team better
RE: RE: i'll repeat what i wrote last week  
Annunaki : 10/8/2017 4:37 pm : link
In comment 13636319 AcidTest said:
Quote:
In comment 13636293 TexasGmenFan said:


Quote:


the worst part of all of this is the fact that the Giants will make no moves and Reese will be handed they keys to blow his third top 10 pick in 4 years.




Agreed. Management won't do anything.



The Mara's don't give a scratch about losing, they are making a shit ton of money regardless.
RE: RE: Darnold, Rosen or Jackson  
RDJR : 10/8/2017 4:37 pm : link
In comment 13636287 Carson53 said:
Quote:
In comment 13636235 jeff57 said:


Quote:


?

.

Josh Allen from Wyoming.
I have my doubts about Jackson at the next level.
2-14 here we come.


Ill take Jackson without reservation.
RE: RE: RE: Darnold, Rosen or Jackson  
Carson53 : 10/8/2017 4:37 pm : link
In comment 13636311 jeff57 said:
Quote:
In comment 13636287 Carson53 said:


Quote:


In comment 13636235 jeff57 said:


Quote:


?

.

Josh Allen from Wyoming.
I have my doubts about Jackson at the next level.
2-14 here we come.



Jackson is a better prospect than Deshaun Watson.


I am not sure about the next level, Watson has played a month, let's let that marinate a bit please.
RE: So  
jeff57 : 10/8/2017 4:38 pm : link
In comment 13636316 jamesmichaelworm said:
Quote:
We are all convinced Webb is not the answer without playing a down. So why did they draft him?

So you're going to pass on a franchise QB because you have third round backup?
RE: 0-5, Beckham done, brutal schedule the rest of the way.  
short lease : 10/8/2017 4:38 pm : link
In comment 13636264 bceagle05 said:
Quote:
This is a two-win team that will be in a position to take the next franchise QB. Jets fans are gonna be so pissed.


2 win team? - take the rose colored glasses off BC. Homer.
Not so bad  
I Love Clams Casino : 10/8/2017 4:38 pm : link
If you do what I did today.....

I watched the 1 st half. I hit record on the DVR...I looked at the first Giants series, a 3 and out. It was at this point I realized that there probably isn't much the Giants can do to win this game......I did some house stuff went out for a drive, did a few odds and ends, the entire time accepting the fact that the Giants were going to be losers today based on the first series of the second half.....I just got home now, looked up the score, and sure enough they lost....no aggravation.....I will delete the recording. Much easier that way.
This team is Poorly constructed  
Bluesbreaker : 10/8/2017 4:38 pm : link
Reese bought his way out of a shitty defense but not only couldn't buy an offense by blowing the draft .
This team has no direction on offense how many slants and
dumpoffs can a team run .
Then they take the only Rb that gave them a spark sits on the
bench in a desperation drive . The under use of the TE's makes zero sense and our #1 pick had zero catches today
now they have beaten OBJ to a pulp trying to make next to
impossible plays was it only fitting that he got injured .
The writing has been on the wall for the past 21 games .
He does not inspire anyone with his crap attitude and not
taking responsibility . I pray we lose every game and fire
Reece at the bye . then clean house at the end of the season
Reese can't be making next years picks.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/8/2017 4:38 pm : link
.
Giants @ Niners  
spike : 10/8/2017 4:38 pm : link
Will be the battle for the first pick
RE: RE: So  
section125 : 10/8/2017 4:39 pm : link
In comment 13636359 jeff57 said:
Quote:
In comment 13636316 jamesmichaelworm said:


Quote:


We are all convinced Webb is not the answer without playing a down. So why did they draft him?


So you're going to pass on a franchise QB because you have third round backup?


I do not see any as a franchise QB.
MacAdoo sucks and we are stuck with him for a few years  
nicky43 : 10/8/2017 4:39 pm : link
because Reese will never admit he was wrong to hire him and Mara won't fire Reese when in reality Reece should have been fired 4 or 5 years ago. So we are stuck with a clueless head coach who's biggest concern is how he looks on the sidelines and one of the worst GMs in the league. Even Jerry Jones is a ton better than Reese! Heck Jones is even a better HC than MacAdoo!
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/8/2017 4:39 pm : link
Jordan Raanan‏Verified account @JordanRaanan 5m5 minutes ago

Odell Beckham is headed for surgery, per source. He injured his leg in the fourth quarter.
RE: RE: RE: RE: So, who do we like  
jeff57 : 10/8/2017 4:39 pm : link
In comment 13636346 WillVAB said:
Quote:
In comment 13636286 Dave in Hoboken said:


Quote:


In comment 13636257 WillVAB said:


Quote:


In comment 13636237 Gary from The East End said:


Quote:


For the first pick in the draft?



Smart move would be to trade down, but Reese will stand pat and take a dogshit QB because that's what this fanbase deserves.



No. We deserve a QB to play until 50 and play crazily inconsistently.



Please tell me how a new QB makes this team better


Mobility, if nothing else.
Organization is in disarray  
Unemployable : 10/8/2017 4:40 pm : link
And worst part is no one will be held accountable for this disaster. GM Head Coach, scouts, front office personnel will all come back.
RE: RE: RE: So  
dpinzow : 10/8/2017 4:40 pm : link
In comment 13636371 section125 said:
Quote:
In comment 13636359 jeff57 said:


Quote:


In comment 13636316 jamesmichaelworm said:


Quote:


We are all convinced Webb is not the answer without playing a down. So why did they draft him?


So you're going to pass on a franchise QB because you have third round backup?



I do not see any as a franchise QB.


Darnold and Rosen are as close to sure things as you can get
Flowers as # 1 pick speaks for itself  
bc4life : 10/8/2017 4:40 pm : link
Now another 1st round pick Apple is benched. Is Pugh playing like 1st rounder?

Can't team build drafting like that.
RE: ...  
jeff57 : 10/8/2017 4:40 pm : link
In comment 13636377 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
Jordan Raanan‏Verified account @JordanRaanan 5m5 minutes ago

Odell Beckham is headed for surgery, per source. He injured his leg in the fourth quarter.


Break? Ligaments?
RE: RE: RE: So  
jeff57 : 10/8/2017 4:41 pm : link
In comment 13636371 section125 said:
Quote:
In comment 13636359 jeff57 said:


Quote:


In comment 13636316 jamesmichaelworm said:


Quote:


We are all convinced Webb is not the answer without playing a down. So why did they draft him?


So you're going to pass on a franchise QB because you have third round backup?



I do not see any as a franchise QB.


Take another look.
RE: Organization is in disarray  
HomerJones45 : 10/8/2017 4:41 pm : link
In comment 13636383 Unemployable said:
Quote:
And worst part is no one will be held accountable for this disaster. GM Head Coach, scouts, front office personnel will all come back.
Jerry will walk the plank.
RE: RE: RE: RE: So  
section125 : 10/8/2017 4:42 pm : link
In comment 13636385 dpinzow said:
Quote:
In comment 13636371 section125 said:


Quote:


In comment 13636359 jeff57 said:


Quote:


In comment 13636316 jamesmichaelworm said:


Quote:


We are all convinced Webb is not the answer without playing a down. So why did they draft him?


So you're going to pass on a franchise QB because you have third round backup?



I do not see any as a franchise QB.



Darnold and Rosen are as close to sure things as you can get


We'll see, but I doubt it.
At this point 0-16 could be a possibility  
Matt M. : 10/8/2017 4:42 pm : link
Regardless, this team isn't winning more than 2 games the rest of the way. Now, with all these injuries, I am confident the front office will give Reese and McAdoo a pass and they will screw up the top pick and next season as well.
I think the most frustrating part  
bluesince56 : 10/8/2017 4:43 pm : link
is that Mara doesnt seem to have any problems with The GM or Coach.
Shitty Team 0-5 start pathetic!  
quaseem1 : 10/8/2017 4:43 pm : link
It looks like SHIT, It smells like SHIT yet we keep stepping in it........sheesh Eric if you read this post
NOBODY and I mean NO ONE deserves the HOPE JOHNSON AWARD thus FAR this season
RE: ...  
short lease : 10/8/2017 4:44 pm : link
In comment 13636377 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
Jordan RaananVerified account @JordanRaanan 5m5 minutes ago

Odell Beckham is headed for surgery, per source. He injured his leg in the fourth quarter.


Yeah ... that replay didn't look good.
RE: RE: ...  
dpinzow : 10/8/2017 4:45 pm : link
In comment 13636391 jeff57 said:
Quote:
In comment 13636377 Eric from BBI said:


Quote:


Jordan Raanan‏Verified account @JordanRaanan 5m5 minutes ago

Odell Beckham is headed for surgery, per source. He injured his leg in the fourth quarter.



Break? Ligaments?


Most likely a completely torn ligament connecting the ankle to the foot
long injury list  
Steve in South Jersey : 10/8/2017 4:45 pm : link
McAdoo rattling off a bunch.
Giant fan since the late 1950s  
jintsjunkie : 10/8/2017 4:46 pm : link
Remember Robestelli, Tittle, Gifford, Summerall, Rote, Tark, Homer Jones, Bruce Mahar, Brad van Pelt et al. Season ticket holder for 10 years before leaving NY area. Memo to Mara: I'm done with the team, the organization until you fire the coach (aka Hanley without the tranny) and the GM (aka Cocky Putz). Over and out.
RE: Giants @ Niners  
Simms11 : 10/8/2017 4:46 pm : link
In comment 13636364 spike said:
Quote:
Will be the battle for the first pick


Giants are not winning that game with this offense. I wouldnt be surprised if they didnt win a game this year! Could be the worst year the Giants have had in many, many years. I remember the 0-6 start recently and it smells worse then that year as we have nobody left on offense that scares anybody and Eli has turned into widely inconsistent Eli again!
RE: RE: ...  
AcidTest : 10/8/2017 4:46 pm : link
In comment 13636391 jeff57 said:
Quote:
In comment 13636377 Eric from BBI said:


Quote:


Jordan Raanan‏Verified account @JordanRaanan 5m5 minutes ago

Odell Beckham is headed for surgery, per source. He injured his leg in the fourth quarter.



Break? Ligaments?


Either one or both. But he's done for the season. So is Harris. And maybe Marshall. Shepard looks like he can play again this season, but will likely be out several weeks. Rudolph will be promoted, and King will be resigned.
RE: RE: RE: ...  
section125 : 10/8/2017 4:47 pm : link
In comment 13636434 dpinzow said:
Quote:
In comment 13636391 jeff57 said:


Quote:


In comment 13636377 Eric from BBI said:


Quote:


Jordan Raanan‏Verified account @JordanRaanan 5m5 minutes ago

Odell Beckham is headed for surgery, per source. He injured his leg in the fourth quarter.



Break? Ligaments?



Most likely a completely torn ligament connecting the ankle to the foot


Could be, but more likely a displace fractured ankle and would not be surprised if the fibula is broken also.
Tired of the same bs  
TimsGiants : 10/8/2017 4:47 pm : link
On the slant to Beckham..

Who here didn't know exactly what we were running presnap?

As soon as I saw the formation and Vereen lined up 3 and 1/2 yards behind Manning I knew it was the slant to Beckham.

Like Chris Simms said..are tendencies worse than High School offense!
Legitimate question  
bc4life : 10/8/2017 4:48 pm : link
OLine - 2 1st round picks, 1 2nd rounder - and they can't get it together. Drafting or coaching?
Unless someone wants to operate under the premise that EVERYTHING  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/8/2017 4:48 pm : link
that happens on the field is a reflection of the head coach, the incessant bitching about McAdoo is tiring. Was it McAdoo's fault Eli missed every deep throw he attempted in the first half, including a probable TD? Was it his fault that imbecile JPP lined up offside, which led to the first TD? I'm hardly absolving Mac of blame, but everything can't be his fault.
RE: Flowers as # 1 pick speaks for itself  
short lease : 10/8/2017 4:48 pm : link
In comment 13636387 bc4life said:
Quote:
Now another 1st round pick Apple is benched. Is Pugh playing like 1st rounder?

Can't team build drafting like that.


I am wondering what they saw in Flowers now? Did they just see size/athleticism and think they could teach him?

What did they see that justified him being taken that high? He is the biggest OL bust since Tony Manderich (sp?).
.....  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 10/8/2017 4:48 pm : link
It's not the Giants style to blow it up after 2 seasons with a head coach.

But if the Giants win 3 games or less, it probably has to happen.

I don't like Mcadoo as much as Coughlin, but this is more on Reese. How can Mcadoo call a game when both offensive tackles need help when the D only rushes 4? leaves you with 4 guys running routes against a loaded secondary. Throw in that the interior can't block anybody either.

Reese has tried and failed to add olinemen, both in FA and the draft. It may be time to clean house

Where was Engram n the offense  
jeff57 : 10/8/2017 4:49 pm : link
?
Giants have an OL built  
I Love Clams Casino : 10/8/2017 4:49 pm : link
For a QB like Russell Wilson, or Aaron Rodgers.
Injuries aside  
family progtitioner : 10/8/2017 4:49 pm : link
Is this the most disappointing season in many years? From sure playoff contenders to maybe bottom of league in 5 games. This is worse, to me, then 2003. Time to clean it out, get a new qb, coach, GM. If they dump Eli and keep this staff, though, I'm done with the Giants. Hate this group
RE: Tired of the same bs  
section125 : 10/8/2017 4:52 pm : link
In comment 13636451 TimsGiants said:
Quote:
On the slant to Beckham..

Who here didn't know exactly what we were running presnap?

As soon as I saw the formation and Vereen lined up 3 and 1/2 yards behind Manning I knew it was the slant to Beckham.

Like Chris Simms said..are tendencies worse than High School offense!


Nothing wrong with the play at all - gets 5 to 6 yards minimum, if the QB doesn't throw the ball over the receivers head and get his ankle broken..
Coughlin has sure built up a winner  
SHO'NUFF : 10/8/2017 4:52 pm : link
down in Jacksonville.
Eli played  
rocco8112 : 10/8/2017 4:52 pm : link
poorly today?
People ask how a new QB makes this team better?  
LG in NYC : 10/8/2017 4:53 pm : link
Eli is not the only problem on this team... but a QB who is accurate and mobile would really help this team, and Eli is neither.

he misses way too many easy throws and can't do much of anything when a play breaks down. he also can't throw downfield with any consistency.

Football games come down to a handful of plays and Eli usually is responsible for the team coming down on the wrong side of those plays.
Welp  
BigBlueShock : 10/8/2017 4:53 pm : link
GoTerps should be a very happy man tonight. He wontvhave to watch Beckham TD celebrations for the rest of the season.
if Mara doesn't clean house  
micky : 10/8/2017 4:54 pm : link
then hes in for more of same coming years. the system is infected
rocco  
LG in NYC : 10/8/2017 4:54 pm : link
yes - unequivocally.
RE: People ask how a new QB makes this team better?  
rocco8112 : 10/8/2017 4:54 pm : link
In comment 13636531 LG in NYC said:
Quote:
Eli is not the only problem on this team... but a QB who is accurate and mobile would really help this team, and Eli is neither.

he misses way too many easy throws and can't do much of anything when a play breaks down. he also can't throw downfield with any consistency.

Football games come down to a handful of plays and Eli usually is responsible for the team coming down on the wrong side of those plays.



I do not share this opinion. I thought Eli played well today, and under considerable pressure and taking some shots. He was suplexed on the fumble.
RE: rocco  
rocco8112 : 10/8/2017 4:55 pm : link
In comment 13636542 LG in NYC said:
Quote:
yes - unequivocally.


I am no expert but I do no see it that way.
too bad our O-line  
SHO'NUFF : 10/8/2017 4:56 pm : link
didn't roll their ankles
RE: Coughlin has sure built up a winner  
nicky43 : 10/8/2017 4:57 pm : link
In comment 13636517 SHO'NUFF said:
Quote:
down in Jacksonville.


Yep They picked off Ben 4 times so far today and 2 were pick sixes! We should wish we had the Jag's record now.
RE: So  
widmerseyebrow : 10/8/2017 4:57 pm : link
In comment 13636316 jamesmichaelworm said:
Quote:
We are all convinced Webb is not the answer without playing a down. So why did they draft him?


It was a stupid draft pick. Just like Nassib was. This team had so many needs both times.
RE: RE: People ask how a new QB makes this team better?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/8/2017 4:58 pm : link
In comment 13636544 rocco8112 said:
Quote:


I do not share this opinion. I thought Eli played well today, and under considerable pressure and taking some shots. He was suplexed on the fumble.


He missed a bunch of deep throws in the first half, including several of the few times Odell has been open on a deep pass this season (and not double covered). He threw inaccurately to Marshall down the sideline (despite Brandon making a miraculous catch). He threw inaccurately to Engram down the sideline.

Eli was solid in the second half, but he was one of several main reasons they trailed at the half.
Did the NFL  
mitch300 : 10/8/2017 4:59 pm : link
Pass a new rule that you cannot throw to your tightends? Engrams had only FOUR targets in the whole game!!
rocco  
LG in NYC : 10/8/2017 4:59 pm : link
on the fumble he was spun around and lost the ball in the process.

but there were many other just horrible decisions/throws today that helped get us another L.

so we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

RE: This team is Poorly constructed  
nicky43 : 10/8/2017 5:00 pm : link
In comment 13636362 Bluesbreaker said:
Quote:
Reese bought his way out of a shitty defense but not only couldn't buy an offense by blowing the draft .
This team has no direction on offense how many slants and
dumpoffs can a team run .
Then they take the only Rb that gave them a spark sits on the
bench in a desperation drive . The under use of the TE's makes zero sense and our #1 pick had zero catches today
now they have beaten OBJ to a pulp trying to make next to
impossible plays was it only fitting that he got injured .
The writing has been on the wall for the past 21 games .
He does not inspire anyone with his crap attitude and not
taking responsibility . I pray we lose every game and fire
Reece at the bye . then clean house at the end of the season


I agree. We supposedly have 2 good TEs now yet MacAdoo doesn't know how to use them. But he really doesn't know how to use any of the talent efficiently on this team. Too bad. He might have been a good HC if 5 years as an assistant but he just is not ready for this job.
RE: RE: People ask how a new QB makes this team better?  
BigBlueShock : 10/8/2017 5:01 pm : link
In comment 13636544 rocco8112 said:
Quote:
In comment 13636531 LG in NYC said:


Quote:


Eli is not the only problem on this team... but a QB who is accurate and mobile would really help this team, and Eli is neither.

he misses way too many easy throws and can't do much of anything when a play breaks down. he also can't throw downfield with any consistency.

Football games come down to a handful of plays and Eli usually is responsible for the team coming down on the wrong side of those plays.




I do not share this opinion. I thought Eli played well today, and under considerable pressure and taking some shots. He was suplexed on the fumble.

Come on man. Eli overthrew guys. He threw behind guys. He seen pressure that wasn't there and he stepped into pressure that he didn't need to. Eli played terribly. It's amazing the low bar that we've set for Eli. If he makes a couple of great throws, all is good!

And before all the Eli apologists go crazy, Eli was far from the biggest problem again today. But he did not play well.
RE: Where was Engram n the offense  
Carson53 : 10/8/2017 5:02 pm : link
In comment 13636470 jeff57 said:
Quote:
?
.

Good question!
I know its been said many, many times,  
Simms11 : 10/8/2017 5:02 pm : link
but Reese may be at the top of the pile when it comes to culprits. We need to add talent through the draft and he doesnt have a very good record at all. When he tries to rectify it hes spending major dollars on Free Agents and that has a domino effect on the rest of the roster in terms of quality.

McAdoo needs to be a better Head Coach. I dont think hes doing a very good job at all. Team has no spirit or identity. No physicality, no heavy- handed ness.

I dont know where to start! I think the Giants have to blow this whole thing up, starting at the top with GM, Head Coach, staff and players. There are some decent pieces on the team, however there needs to be more and players need to play better fundamentally. I just dont feel like this team is going to win a game.
RE: RE: RE: People ask how a new QB makes this team better?  
AcidTest : 10/8/2017 5:04 pm : link
In comment 13636598 BigBlueShock said:
Quote:
In comment 13636544 rocco8112 said:


Quote:


In comment 13636531 LG in NYC said:


Quote:


Eli is not the only problem on this team... but a QB who is accurate and mobile would really help this team, and Eli is neither.

he misses way too many easy throws and can't do much of anything when a play breaks down. he also can't throw downfield with any consistency.

Football games come down to a handful of plays and Eli usually is responsible for the team coming down on the wrong side of those plays.




I do not share this opinion. I thought Eli played well today, and under considerable pressure and taking some shots. He was suplexed on the fumble.


Come on man. Eli overthrew guys. He threw behind guys. He seen pressure that wasn't there and he stepped into pressure that he didn't need to. Eli played terribly. It's amazing the low bar that we've set for Eli. If he makes a couple of great throws, all is good!

And before all the Eli apologists go crazy, Eli was far from the biggest problem again today. But he did not play well.


Agreed.
RE: Did the NFL  
jeff57 : 10/8/2017 5:05 pm : link
In comment 13636580 mitch300 said:
Quote:
Pass a new rule that you cannot throw to your tightends? Engrams had only FOUR targets in the whole game!!


Only for the Giants.
actually Eli was one of the bigger problems today  
LG in NYC : 10/8/2017 5:06 pm : link
.
RE: RE: Organization is in disarray  
mdc1 : 10/8/2017 5:08 pm : link
In comment 13636400 HomerJones45 said:
Quote:
In comment 13636383 Unemployable said:


Quote:


And worst part is no one will be held accountable for this disaster. GM Head Coach, scouts, front office personnel will all come back.

Jerry will walk the plank.


yes need a new GM to retain the big mans brother
I can't believe the Giants  
I Love Clams Casino : 10/8/2017 5:09 pm : link
Lost to a homeless team
RE: RE: Did the NFL  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/8/2017 5:09 pm : link
In comment 13636644 jeff57 said:
Quote:
In comment 13636580 mitch300 said:


Quote:


Pass a new rule that you cannot throw to your tightends? Engrams had only FOUR targets in the whole game!!



Only for the Giants.


That's complaining just to complain.

The receivers were more consistently open than they've been all season. Darkwa and Gallman were shredding the Chargers. Then at the end, Engram wasn't even playing his regular position. If Eli hits some of those deep throws in the first half, no one is complaining at all.
RE: actually Eli was one of the bigger problems today  
nicky43 : 10/8/2017 5:09 pm : link
In comment 13636654 LG in NYC said:
Quote:
.


Bullshit. He was on his back most of the day because he's playing behind a high school quality o-line or worse!
RE: RE: RE: People ask how a new QB makes this team better?  
rocco8112 : 10/8/2017 5:09 pm : link
In comment 13636598 BigBlueShock said:
Quote:
In comment 13636544 rocco8112 said:


Quote:


In comment 13636531 LG in NYC said:


Quote:


Eli is not the only problem on this team... but a QB who is accurate and mobile would really help this team, and Eli is neither.

he misses way too many easy throws and can't do much of anything when a play breaks down. he also can't throw downfield with any consistency.

Football games come down to a handful of plays and Eli usually is responsible for the team coming down on the wrong side of those plays.




I do not share this opinion. I thought Eli played well today, and under considerable pressure and taking some shots. He was suplexed on the fumble.


Come on man. Eli overthrew guys. He threw behind guys. He seen pressure that wasn't there and he stepped into pressure that he didn't need to. Eli played terribly. It's amazing the low bar that we've set for Eli. If he makes a couple of great throws, all is good!

And before all the Eli apologists go crazy, Eli was far from the biggest problem again today. But he did not play well.


Well, I did not say he was perfect. But, he was under pressure the whole game and he hit some big time throws. As far as stepping into pressure, I thought he moved well in the pocket at times and the "stepping" into pressure was often him moving from where the original pressure was coming from only to move into another rusher because the line kinda sucks.

Overall the Giants are bad team and Eli is caught up in all of that. But, he seems very far down the list of problems today.

Today did suck though, one of the worst days I can remember for the G-men.

Also, on the game thread and elsewhere many claim Eli throws helped the injuries along. Well, those are fluke injuries. The slant to Beckham was a bit high, but he leaves his feet all the time regardless. You would think Eli was the most inaccurate passer in the NFL and when I watch other games and compare QB's to Eli I do not see that at all.

Is Ernie the wig  
mdc1 : 10/8/2017 5:10 pm : link
still consulting, if so, somebody needs to make a call to go through player eval inclusive of putting them in REAL games and what they need next season.
A new shiny QB  
WillVAB : 10/8/2017 5:16 pm : link
Would be the next David Carr in McAdoo's shitty scheme behind this shitty OL. People are nuts.
nicky and rocco  
LG in NYC : 10/8/2017 5:17 pm : link
yes, he was under pressure - but all QB's face pressure.

what was much more obvious and problematic was his inability to escape any of that pressure, but more than that... were the absolute mis throws (high, long, before the receiver was ready) he made all day long.

he set up both SS and OBJ's injury plays with his inaccurate throws, and was missing wide open RB's in the flat all afternoon...never mind the long throws he missed in the 1st half that may have changed the complexion of the game.
biggest issue  
bc4life : 10/8/2017 5:18 pm : link
is O-Line - with QB with limited mobility - you have to be able to run the ball.

How did defense get this bad in one year?
Fractured left ankle for Odell  
Simms11 : 10/8/2017 5:18 pm : link
Hes definitely out for the year. Just hope he can come back from that next year
Tavrres King  
Carson53 : 10/8/2017 5:19 pm : link
call him, looks like Beckham is done for the season.
Need a couple WR's signed this week.
RE: RE: actually Eli was one of the bigger problems today  
Bleedin Blue : 10/8/2017 5:21 pm : link
In comment 13636678 nicky43 said:
Quote:
In comment 13636654 LG in NYC said:


Quote:


.



Bullshit. He was on his back most of the day because he's playing behind a high school quality o-line or worse!



HOLY SHIT!!! Why don't we just trade Eli now, so he does t have to put up with this god awful shit offensive line! and we don't have to listen to all this Eli is the fucking problem with this team!! Give me a fucking break! The guy is getting killed out there, and he was pretty mobile out there when he could run for his life!!!
I think theyll have to call up Eagan too  
Simms11 : 10/8/2017 5:23 pm : link
as he has experience as a returner and didnt look too bad in pre-season. Not much of a receiver, but Harris didnt play receiver all that much either.

And so we might be looking at Lewis as the #1 next week! Wow wtf!
RE: I think theyll have to call up Eagan too  
mdc1 : 10/8/2017 5:30 pm : link
In comment 13636789 Simms11 said:
Quote:
as he has experience as a returner and didnt look too bad in pre-season. Not much of a receiver, but Harris didnt play receiver all that much either.

And so we might be looking at Lewis as the #1 next week! Wow wtf!


It will be good to see what Lewis can do when a DC is paying attention to him in a lineup and game prep. Right now, he looks good, but is he like a Beasley and nobody pays attention until he is unaccounted for and burns your ass.

Will this Beckham injury end up giving McAdoo a pass?  
Dave in PA : 10/8/2017 5:34 pm : link
Regardless of the 0-4 start with OBJ, I feel like that will largely be forgotten in 3 months. Not sure it even matters who coaches this team next year.
Mc will be back next year  
bc4life : 10/8/2017 5:42 pm : link
Might have new OC, new OLine coach maybe even a new DC
The worst part about the first 5 games is the  
Simms11 : 10/8/2017 5:46 pm : link
Jets are 3-2? and the Eagles are 4-1...... damn this season hurts!
Apologies if this was already discussed but  
malslayer : 10/8/2017 5:54 pm : link
Did anyone else see apple on sideline laughing while the rest of his teammates looked shocked, deflated, and dejected?
RE: RE: Where was Engram n the offense  
Photoguy : 10/8/2017 6:05 pm : link
In comment 13636617 Carson53 said:
Quote:
In comment 13636470 jeff57 said:


Quote:


.

Good question!



I've been waiting for the seam pass to the TE all year. That's all we heard about. I really don't know, because I don't get to see every game. How many times have we actually run that play?
RE: RE: RE: actually Eli was one of the bigger problems today  
EricJ : 10/8/2017 6:14 pm : link
In comment 13636772 Bleedin Blue said:
Quote:



HOLY SHIT!!! Why don't we just trade Eli now, so he does t have to put up with this god awful shit offensive line!


I am pretty sure you were being sarcastic. However, if there is anyone out there with thoughts of trading Eli... who would make that trade and who would take Eli's contract?
So.......as it stands  
Photoguy : 10/8/2017 6:19 pm : link
right now, Roger Lewis is the lone surviving WR? Is there any late word on Shep, Marshall, and Harris?

RE: The worst part about the first 5 games is the  
compton : 10/8/2017 6:24 pm : link
In comment 13636924 Simms11 said:
Quote:
Jets are 3-2? and the Eagles are 4-1...... damn this season hurts!


No, the worst thing about this season is the 0-5 start by the Giants. Who gives a shit about the Jets. Would you have felt better if the Jets and Eagles were 0-5?
The injuries will be part of the reason this team will suck  
Matt M. : 10/8/2017 6:26 pm : link
the rest of the way. But, they won't be the only reason and they aren't the reason the Giants lost. Once again, the D cam up short in the second half, INT aside.
RE: So.......as it stands  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/8/2017 6:36 pm : link
In comment 13637047 Photoguy said:
Quote:
right now, Roger Lewis is the lone surviving WR? Is there any late word on Shep, Marshall, and Harris?


Harris has a fractured foot. Marshall a sprained ankle.
RE: RE: The worst part about the first 5 games is the  
Matt M. : 10/8/2017 6:38 pm : link
In comment 13637068 compton said:
Quote:
In comment 13636924 Simms11 said:


Quote:


Jets are 3-2? and the Eagles are 4-1...... damn this season hurts!



No, the worst thing about this season is the 0-5 start by the Giants. Who gives a shit about the Jets. Would you have felt better if the Jets and Eagles were 0-5?
Agreed. Who gives a rat's ass about the Jets?
Missed the stats  
XBRONX : 10/8/2017 6:44 pm : link
Did JPP add to his sack total for the year?
RE: RE: RE: RE: actually Eli was one of the bigger problems today  
Bleedin Blue : 10/8/2017 6:46 pm : link
In comment 13637031 EricJ said:
Quote:
In comment 13636772 Bleedin Blue said:


Quote:





HOLY SHIT!!! Why don't we just trade Eli now, so he does t have to put up with this god awful shit offensive line!



I am pretty sure you were being sarcastic. However, if there is anyone out there with thoughts of trading Eli... who would make that trade and who would take Eli's contract?


Eric, yes I'm being sarcastic! The idiocy on this board is redicilous! The fucking guy has no line, no running game and now he has no receivers! but it's his fault! Has he been off, Absofuckingloutley but Please the guy is getting killed out there! He came into this game with a near 70% completion percentage and that's with over 14 drops! Yes they're dink and dunk, but that's wackadoo's offense and Eli is running it. There is virtually no opportunity to throw the deep ball and the receivers aren't getting much separation.
huh - no run game today?  
LG in NYC : 10/8/2017 6:49 pm : link
maybe watch the game first and then come back and reconsider your comments.



RE: Missed the stats  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/8/2017 6:51 pm : link
In comment 13637161 XBRONX said:
Quote:
Did JPP add to his sack total for the year?


He added to his moronic offsides penalties total.
The only real positive for the Giants  
Matt in SGS : 10/8/2017 6:51 pm : link
is that the first step to getting better is acceptance. The season is gone. So now, with that in mind, it's time to see what they can do to move this forward for next year, and try to not get any other core players killed along the way.

1- Eli stays at QB. There is no point to playing Geno or Webb for that matter. Let's hope the OL doesn't get Eli killed but he needs to stay out there because...

2- We need to let Evan Engram progress. He's been pretty invisible the first 5 games. He was brought here to be a matchup nightmare. Well, he's one of the last men standing. Let him learn what it takes to play well in this league. Make his mistakes now and correct them as the season goes along. One of the few blessings of the 2015 season was trial by fire for Collins which led to a breakout 2016. Here's hoping the same for Engram in 2018, and he will need Eli's help to get there.

3- Play Gallman more. Enough of Darkwa. He finally makes a play and gets hurt. Move on. Gallman looks like he could be a player for the Giants. Wouldn't it be nice to go into next season with at least 1 NFL running back on the roster? Gallman should be the Giants lead back for the remainder of the season. Again, learn on the fly and learn with Eli.

4- Sit Casillas. He's a captain. He's probably a really nice guy. He's also not in the future plans. Take a seat. Let's let Goodson continue to play and make his mistakes too, but get him in position to make a leap in 2018. Hell, I'd give more snaps to Munson at this point to see if he's worth developing more or just another Unga.

5- Play Eli Apple. Eli has not played well this year. He looks immature on the sidelines and he's making dumb mistakes. But cornerbacks tend to take a while to have it click. Look at Corey Webster as an example. Keep Apple in the lineup, deal with his mistakes until he starts to play better and get value for his draft position. He has talent, we saw it last year. But they need to use the remaining 11 games to regain his confidence.

6- Please start to test Rosas more. The Giants have passed on long field goal attempts for Rosas, I'm not talking about 65 yarders, but decently long attempts, around 53-54 yards. Let him kick it. We heard about his generational leg. Let him go out there and see what he can do. If he's the kicker of the future, let him try his craft.

7- Play Tomlinson more. Again, we've seen enough from Bromley to know what he is, a JAG. Get Tomlinson his experience in playing in the NFL trenches and get him ready for next year next to Snacks.

Otherwise, if you are going to lose, go big or go home. The 2014 season when the Giants went 7-9 after an 0-6 start was an abberation. They played a bunch of backup QBs for a long stretch or else they would have been a 3-13 team. That is what looms for the 2016 Giants. You can't get better in this league until you hit rock bottom and draft smart (or get lucky). Thank God they didn't trade for Staley or Thomas, that might have been Reese's best non-move yet.
RE: huh - no run game today?  
Bleedin Blue : 10/8/2017 6:58 pm : link
In comment 13637188 LG in NYC said:
Quote:
maybe watch the game first and then come back and reconsider your comments.



Did I say today!! One game does not a running game make! Especially against the 32nd ranked run defense, but go ahead fire away!
Nothing left to lose...  
kelsto811 : 10/8/2017 7:10 pm : link
Want to see Rudolph, let the OC call the plays, want to mix up this OL, blitz the shit out of opponents, let's get more Gallman, let's see some set and designed plays for Engram, let's see more 2 TE sets...

I'm not sitting here calling for Webb though. Eli is still the guy but what are we salvaging? Sign some street guys/practice squad guys and see if we can find some viable starters for next year. No clue why but I feel relieved that I'm not going to be stressing over needing wins with this unit.
Dude, you trotted out every cliche excuse for Eli  
LG in NYC : 10/8/2017 7:18 pm : link
we are talking about today and you said he had no running game (among other things)... but he did have a great running game today and still couldn't consistently pass the ball to move this offense and win the game.

unless I missed something, we are talking about today's game.
Worst team in the NFL  
D_Giants : 10/8/2017 7:22 pm : link
This team's woeful offense is, IMO, a function of poor play design, poor play calling, and poor coaching of fundamentals. Nothing is working because everything is bad; it's easy to point to the same OL that 'gets worse' each year. Simplistic plays are aggravated by goofy and predictable play calls. This team will continue losing until it loses Coach Ben McLackacloo.
At this point  
ryanmkeane : 10/8/2017 7:23 pm : link
Darnold or Rosen look like a great prize...
RE: Dude, you trotted out every cliche excuse for Eli  
Bleedin Blue : 10/8/2017 7:31 pm : link
In comment 13637242 LG in NYC said:
Quote:
we are talking about today and you said he had no running game (among other things)... but he did have a great running game today and still couldn't consistently pass the ball to move this offense and win the game.

unless I missed something, we are talking about today's game.


You want cliches , Eli is the problem! That's the biggest cliche used! I agreed he's been off, but if you think he's THE PROBLEM, I think you haven't been watching the games. Erik Flowers week after week has virtually sacked Eli himself, his man has sacked Eli with him holding on. This team is fucked, but Eli is not at the top of list of problems, top 5 yes but not the top.
RE: Dude, you trotted out every cliche excuse for Eli  
Britt in VA : 10/8/2017 7:37 pm : link
In comment 13637242 LG in NYC said:
Quote:
we are talking about today and you said he had no running game (among other things)... but he did have a great running game today and still couldn't consistently pass the ball to move this offense and win the game.

unless I missed something, we are talking about today's game.


Did he or did he not give them two 4th quarter leads for the 3rd week in a row?
Britt  
LG in NYC : 10/8/2017 7:42 pm : link
we had the lead and Eli fumbled the ball back to LAC on the 15 yd line, effectively giving them the game. so the 4th qtr lead was nice and all, but less nice was giving Rivers the ball back in the RZ.

this is ridiculous; I have been one of Eli'd biggest fans... I get no joy out of criticizing him. I am sick over the state of the team -- but you guys are so blind to his sub par play right now.
Bleedin  
LG in NYC : 10/8/2017 7:43 pm : link
you won't find a post of mine saying Eli is the biggest problem with the team. you just said Top 5... I will agree with you and we can end our debate.
but that is not exactly a defense of him saying he is one of the top 5 problems with this horrific team.
Eli Manning Stats over the last three games....  
Britt in VA : 10/8/2017 7:45 pm : link
86/132 65% completion percentage, 879 yards, 7 TD's and 3 INT's.
wow - you are lost  
LG in NYC : 10/8/2017 7:49 pm : link
but ok, whatever - No one holds a candle to Eli Manning in 2017. It is incredible... I wonder if he will win the MVP unanimously. It would be a crime if he didn't, dontcha think?
I wasn't surprised at all when Eli fumbled the ball right there.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/8/2017 7:50 pm : link
Par for the course.
RE: Bleedin  
Bleedin Blue : 10/8/2017 8:06 pm : link
In comment 13637349 LG in NYC said:
Quote:
you won't find a post of mine saying Eli is the biggest problem with the team. you just said Top 5... I will agree with you and we can end our debate.
but that is not exactly a defense of him saying he is one of the top 5 problems with this horrific team.


LG, never said YOU were crushing Eli, but you took up the banner and ran with it. Credit to you, there are many here that are ripping him to pieces and calling for Webb to play, probably the same people who called for Nassib lol! Look Aaron Rodgers on this team would still be a losing team, maybe not 0-5 but a Losing team, Eli is not Aaron Rodgers, hell look at Big Ben! He's not pulling rabbits out his ass lately, but he as Eli I believe is not "THE" problem. That's my take, am I frustrated with this team yes, and I'm trying to look at the big picture not just focusing on one player.
RE: Fractured left ankle for Odell  
FStubbs : 10/8/2017 8:17 pm : link
In comment 13636745 Simms11 said:
Quote:
Hes definitely out for the year. Just hope he can come back from that next year


I'm not holding my breath given how this team has gone with franchise type WRs. Odell will never be the same.
Is Travis Rudolph still on the practice squad?  
eclipz928 : 10/8/2017 9:33 pm : link
This would be a good opportunity to get a good look at him.
All the morons on this post  
Blue Moon : 10/8/2017 10:18 pm : link
Blaming Eli know nothing about the game of football!!
I'm a big Eli fan,  
Daniel in MI : 10/8/2017 11:23 pm : link
he's as classy as they come and a clutch player.

But he's not adept as a QB behind this shit OL. Its a terrible mismatch. He's never been the most accurate guy, and you can really see it now. He's also a guy who likes to avoid contact (chuck and duck) to stay healthy.

He was up and down today. Some nice passes (Lewis TD) and some bad misses. He missed easy swing passes today. He threw high today a lot, and it did set people up for hits. He was way off on deep throws. Even on completions, he's often not setting the player up to keep running as they have to adjust to the ball. And he was behind at least 2 sacks today by holding the ball or moving where he could be hit. And ball security again. Add the almost comical lack of mobility and athleticism and you have a QB for a stud OL, not this sieve of a line. He won't create, he can't scare a D by running it. He can't scramble well enough to make something of broken plays. And all our plays are ask broken as Harris's foot.
Eli  
old man : 10/8/2017 11:33 pm : link
deserves his share of blame. The lost fumbles are inexcusable ...particularly today's.
Eli has been feeling the pressure that is not there because of the OL slide that started in 2011(remember the SF game) then again starting game 7 of 2012 and the subsequent slide which forced JR to draft OL higher than rd 3 followed by other poor OL selections whiles skipping on Scherff... Ronny Stanley...Lewan...signaling on Conklin and getting manuevered...and no real FA adds to it the last 2 years.
6+ years of meh at best protection would turn even Tom Terrific into David Carr.
I gotta say  
santacruzom : 10/9/2017 12:09 am : link
Watching Watson tear it up these past two weeks makes me really intrigued by the possibility of drafting a new potential franchise QB. It's a long shot, but that would be fun to see unfold.
RE: RE: Missed the stats  
Tuckrule : 10/9/2017 5:40 am : link
In comment 13637192 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
Quote:
In comment 13637161 XBRONX said:


Quote:


Did JPP add to his sack total for the year?



He added to his moronic offsides penalties total.


Lmao my fiend and I have a running joke about jpp being cross eyed. There's no other explanation for a guy who's always lines up in the neutral zone. He can be called for it almost every play its mind boggling
What is this nonsense that a 4th qtr lead is some kind of lock?  
Jimmy Googs : 10/9/2017 7:02 am : link
Well it clearly isn't. In fact, forcing Giants offense to try and score under a set timeframe typically only helps your cause...
Blame the crappy OL all you want  
Gman11 : 10/9/2017 8:54 am : link
but Eli's lack of mobility is a big part of the problem.
RE: Blame the crappy OL all you want  
jeff57 : 10/9/2017 9:24 am : link
In comment 13638492 Gman11 said:
Quote:
but Eli's lack of mobility is a big part of the problem.


It is.
the part of all of this mess that  
Jersey55 : 10/9/2017 11:06 am : link
scares me is that we will obviously be in a position to draft a top talent in round one and very good players in the following rounds, will Reese screw it up is a frightening thought an d he is completely capable of doing just that.....( see the Flowers pick)
Back to the Corner