is that the first step to getting better is acceptance. The season is gone. So now, with that in mind, it's time to see what they can do to move this forward for next year, and try to not get any other core players killed along the way.
1- Eli stays at QB. There is no point to playing Geno or Webb for that matter. Let's hope the OL doesn't get Eli killed but he needs to stay out there because...
2- We need to let Evan Engram progress. He's been pretty invisible the first 5 games. He was brought here to be a matchup nightmare. Well, he's one of the last men standing. Let him learn what it takes to play well in this league. Make his mistakes now and correct them as the season goes along. One of the few blessings of the 2015 season was trial by fire for Collins which led to a breakout 2016. Here's hoping the same for Engram in 2018, and he will need Eli's help to get there.
3- Play Gallman more. Enough of Darkwa. He finally makes a play and gets hurt. Move on. Gallman looks like he could be a player for the Giants. Wouldn't it be nice to go into next season with at least 1 NFL running back on the roster? Gallman should be the Giants lead back for the remainder of the season. Again, learn on the fly and learn with Eli.
4- Sit Casillas. He's a captain. He's probably a really nice guy. He's also not in the future plans. Take a seat. Let's let Goodson continue to play and make his mistakes too, but get him in position to make a leap in 2018. Hell, I'd give more snaps to Munson at this point to see if he's worth developing more or just another Unga.
5- Play Eli Apple. Eli has not played well this year. He looks immature on the sidelines and he's making dumb mistakes. But cornerbacks tend to take a while to have it click. Look at Corey Webster as an example. Keep Apple in the lineup, deal with his mistakes until he starts to play better and get value for his draft position. He has talent, we saw it last year. But they need to use the remaining 11 games to regain his confidence.
6- Please start to test Rosas more. The Giants have passed on long field goal attempts for Rosas, I'm not talking about 65 yarders, but decently long attempts, around 53-54 yards. Let him kick it. We heard about his generational leg. Let him go out there and see what he can do. If he's the kicker of the future, let him try his craft.
7- Play Tomlinson more. Again, we've seen enough from Bromley to know what he is, a JAG. Get Tomlinson his experience in playing in the NFL trenches and get him ready for next year next to Snacks.
Otherwise, if you are going to lose, go big or go home. The 2014 season when the Giants went 7-9 after an 0-6 start was an abberation. They played a bunch of backup QBs for a long stretch or else they would have been a 3-13 team. That is what looms for the 2016 Giants. You can't get better in this league until you hit rock bottom and draft smart (or get lucky). Thank God they didn't trade for Staley or Thomas, that might have been Reese's best non-move yet.
Want to see Rudolph, let the OC call the plays, want to mix up this OL, blitz the shit out of opponents, let's get more Gallman, let's see some set and designed plays for Engram, let's see more 2 TE sets...
I'm not sitting here calling for Webb though. Eli is still the guy but what are we salvaging? Sign some street guys/practice squad guys and see if we can find some viable starters for next year. No clue why but I feel relieved that I'm not going to be stressing over needing wins with this unit.
Dude, you trotted out every cliche excuse for Eli Â
we are talking about today and you said he had no running game (among other things)... but he did have a great running game today and still couldn't consistently pass the ball to move this offense and win the game.
unless I missed something, we are talking about today's game.
This team's woeful offense is, IMO, a function of poor play design, poor play calling, and poor coaching of fundamentals. Nothing is working because everything is bad; it's easy to point to the same OL that 'gets worse' each year. Simplistic plays are aggravated by goofy and predictable play calls. This team will continue losing until it loses Coach Ben McLackacloo.
we are talking about today and you said he had no running game (among other things)... but he did have a great running game today and still couldn't consistently pass the ball to move this offense and win the game.
unless I missed something, we are talking about today's game.
You want cliches , Eli is the problem! That's the biggest cliche used! I agreed he's been off, but if you think he's THE PROBLEM, I think you haven't been watching the games. Erik Flowers week after week has virtually sacked Eli himself, his man has sacked Eli with him holding on. This team is fucked, but Eli is not at the top of list of problems, top 5 yes but not the top.
RE: Dude, you trotted out every cliche excuse for Eli Â
we are talking about today and you said he had no running game (among other things)... but he did have a great running game today and still couldn't consistently pass the ball to move this offense and win the game.
unless I missed something, we are talking about today's game.
Did he or did he not give them two 4th quarter leads for the 3rd week in a row?
we had the lead and Eli fumbled the ball back to LAC on the 15 yd line, effectively giving them the game. so the 4th qtr lead was nice and all, but less nice was giving Rivers the ball back in the RZ.
this is ridiculous; I have been one of Eli'd biggest fans... I get no joy out of criticizing him. I am sick over the state of the team -- but you guys are so blind to his sub par play right now.
you won't find a post of mine saying Eli is the biggest problem with the team. you just said Top 5... I will agree with you and we can end our debate.
but that is not exactly a defense of him saying he is one of the top 5 problems with this horrific team.
but ok, whatever - No one holds a candle to Eli Manning in 2017. It is incredible... I wonder if he will win the MVP unanimously. It would be a crime if he didn't, dontcha think?
I wasn't surprised at all when Eli fumbled the ball right there. Â
you won't find a post of mine saying Eli is the biggest problem with the team. you just said Top 5... I will agree with you and we can end our debate.
but that is not exactly a defense of him saying he is one of the top 5 problems with this horrific team.
LG, never said YOU were crushing Eli, but you took up the banner and ran with it. Credit to you, there are many here that are ripping him to pieces and calling for Webb to play, probably the same people who called for Nassib lol! Look Aaron Rodgers on this team would still be a losing team, maybe not 0-5 but a Losing team, Eli is not Aaron Rodgers, hell look at Big Ben! He's not pulling rabbits out his ass lately, but he as Eli I believe is not "THE" problem. That's my take, am I frustrated with this team yes, and I'm trying to look at the big picture not just focusing on one player.
But he's not adept as a QB behind this shit OL. Its a terrible mismatch. He's never been the most accurate guy, and you can really see it now. He's also a guy who likes to avoid contact (chuck and duck) to stay healthy.
He was up and down today. Some nice passes (Lewis TD) and some bad misses. He missed easy swing passes today. He threw high today a lot, and it did set people up for hits. He was way off on deep throws. Even on completions, he's often not setting the player up to keep running as they have to adjust to the ball. And he was behind at least 2 sacks today by holding the ball or moving where he could be hit. And ball security again. Add the almost comical lack of mobility and athleticism and you have a QB for a stud OL, not this sieve of a line. He won't create, he can't scare a D by running it. He can't scramble well enough to make something of broken plays. And all our plays are ask broken as Harris's foot.
deserves his share of blame. The lost fumbles are inexcusable ...particularly today's.
Eli has been feeling the pressure that is not there because of the OL slide that started in 2011(remember the SF game) then again starting game 7 of 2012 and the subsequent slide which forced JR to draft OL higher than rd 3 followed by other poor OL selections whiles skipping on Scherff... Ronny Stanley...Lewan...signaling on Conklin and getting manuevered...and no real FA adds to it the last 2 years.
6+ years of meh at best protection would turn even Tom Terrific into David Carr.
Watching Watson tear it up these past two weeks makes me really intrigued by the possibility of drafting a new potential franchise QB. It's a long shot, but that would be fun to see unfold.
Lmao my fiend and I have a running joke about jpp being cross eyed. There's no other explanation for a guy who's always lines up in the neutral zone. He can be called for it almost every play its mind boggling
What is this nonsense that a 4th qtr lead is some kind of lock? Â
scares me is that we will obviously be in a position to draft a top talent in round one and very good players in the following rounds, will Reese screw it up is a frightening thought an d he is completely capable of doing just that.....( see the Flowers pick)
1- Eli stays at QB. There is no point to playing Geno or Webb for that matter. Let's hope the OL doesn't get Eli killed but he needs to stay out there because...
2- We need to let Evan Engram progress. He's been pretty invisible the first 5 games. He was brought here to be a matchup nightmare. Well, he's one of the last men standing. Let him learn what it takes to play well in this league. Make his mistakes now and correct them as the season goes along. One of the few blessings of the 2015 season was trial by fire for Collins which led to a breakout 2016. Here's hoping the same for Engram in 2018, and he will need Eli's help to get there.
3- Play Gallman more. Enough of Darkwa. He finally makes a play and gets hurt. Move on. Gallman looks like he could be a player for the Giants. Wouldn't it be nice to go into next season with at least 1 NFL running back on the roster? Gallman should be the Giants lead back for the remainder of the season. Again, learn on the fly and learn with Eli.
4- Sit Casillas. He's a captain. He's probably a really nice guy. He's also not in the future plans. Take a seat. Let's let Goodson continue to play and make his mistakes too, but get him in position to make a leap in 2018. Hell, I'd give more snaps to Munson at this point to see if he's worth developing more or just another Unga.
5- Play Eli Apple. Eli has not played well this year. He looks immature on the sidelines and he's making dumb mistakes. But cornerbacks tend to take a while to have it click. Look at Corey Webster as an example. Keep Apple in the lineup, deal with his mistakes until he starts to play better and get value for his draft position. He has talent, we saw it last year. But they need to use the remaining 11 games to regain his confidence.
6- Please start to test Rosas more. The Giants have passed on long field goal attempts for Rosas, I'm not talking about 65 yarders, but decently long attempts, around 53-54 yards. Let him kick it. We heard about his generational leg. Let him go out there and see what he can do. If he's the kicker of the future, let him try his craft.
7- Play Tomlinson more. Again, we've seen enough from Bromley to know what he is, a JAG. Get Tomlinson his experience in playing in the NFL trenches and get him ready for next year next to Snacks.
Otherwise, if you are going to lose, go big or go home. The 2014 season when the Giants went 7-9 after an 0-6 start was an abberation. They played a bunch of backup QBs for a long stretch or else they would have been a 3-13 team. That is what looms for the 2016 Giants. You can't get better in this league until you hit rock bottom and draft smart (or get lucky). Thank God they didn't trade for Staley or Thomas, that might have been Reese's best non-move yet.
Did I say today!! One game does not a running game make! Especially against the 32nd ranked run defense, but go ahead fire away!
I'm not sitting here calling for Webb though. Eli is still the guy but what are we salvaging? Sign some street guys/practice squad guys and see if we can find some viable starters for next year. No clue why but I feel relieved that I'm not going to be stressing over needing wins with this unit.
unless I missed something, we are talking about today's game.
unless I missed something, we are talking about today's game.
You want cliches , Eli is the problem! That's the biggest cliche used! I agreed he's been off, but if you think he's THE PROBLEM, I think you haven't been watching the games. Erik Flowers week after week has virtually sacked Eli himself, his man has sacked Eli with him holding on. This team is fucked, but Eli is not at the top of list of problems, top 5 yes but not the top.
unless I missed something, we are talking about today's game.
Did he or did he not give them two 4th quarter leads for the 3rd week in a row?
this is ridiculous; I have been one of Eli'd biggest fans... I get no joy out of criticizing him. I am sick over the state of the team -- but you guys are so blind to his sub par play right now.
but that is not exactly a defense of him saying he is one of the top 5 problems with this horrific team.
but that is not exactly a defense of him saying he is one of the top 5 problems with this horrific team.
LG, never said YOU were crushing Eli, but you took up the banner and ran with it. Credit to you, there are many here that are ripping him to pieces and calling for Webb to play, probably the same people who called for Nassib lol! Look Aaron Rodgers on this team would still be a losing team, maybe not 0-5 but a Losing team, Eli is not Aaron Rodgers, hell look at Big Ben! He's not pulling rabbits out his ass lately, but he as Eli I believe is not "THE" problem. That's my take, am I frustrated with this team yes, and I'm trying to look at the big picture not just focusing on one player.
I'm not holding my breath given how this team has gone with franchise type WRs. Odell will never be the same.
But he's not adept as a QB behind this shit OL. Its a terrible mismatch. He's never been the most accurate guy, and you can really see it now. He's also a guy who likes to avoid contact (chuck and duck) to stay healthy.
He was up and down today. Some nice passes (Lewis TD) and some bad misses. He missed easy swing passes today. He threw high today a lot, and it did set people up for hits. He was way off on deep throws. Even on completions, he's often not setting the player up to keep running as they have to adjust to the ball. And he was behind at least 2 sacks today by holding the ball or moving where he could be hit. And ball security again. Add the almost comical lack of mobility and athleticism and you have a QB for a stud OL, not this sieve of a line. He won't create, he can't scare a D by running it. He can't scramble well enough to make something of broken plays. And all our plays are ask broken as Harris's foot.
Eli has been feeling the pressure that is not there because of the OL slide that started in 2011(remember the SF game) then again starting game 7 of 2012 and the subsequent slide which forced JR to draft OL higher than rd 3 followed by other poor OL selections whiles skipping on Scherff... Ronny Stanley...Lewan...signaling on Conklin and getting manuevered...and no real FA adds to it the last 2 years.
6+ years of meh at best protection would turn even Tom Terrific into David Carr.
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Did JPP add to his sack total for the year?
He added to his moronic offsides penalties total.
Lmao my fiend and I have a running joke about jpp being cross eyed. There's no other explanation for a guy who's always lines up in the neutral zone. He can be called for it almost every play its mind boggling
It is.